EP144 The Christmas Photography Show with Bruce Moyle

[00:00:01] Speaker A: The camera light. The flash ignite, frame the world. [00:00:05] Speaker B: See it, right? [00:00:07] Speaker A: The camera light. You're the light. [00:00:20] Speaker C: I know that that's the shortened version, but every now and then I miss the long version. [00:00:24] Speaker A: Well, we could bring it back. [00:00:26] Speaker C: I, I just don't have enough time with the short version to get into a proper Rick roll, you know, like. Anyway, good evening everybody and welcome to the Camera Life Podcast. This is the random photography show, episode 144. And it is the 22nd of December. It's only three days, two and a bit until Christmas till one of you. [00:00:47] Speaker A: Blokes delivers me some presents. Who's doing it this year? Do you guys? [00:00:52] Speaker C: I'm doing Northern hemisphere, Bruce is doing Southern hemisphere, but yeah, welcome, welcome to the Camera Life podcast, proudly brought to you by Lucky Straps. If you haven't heard, where have you been? Lucky Straps are the most premium handmade leather camera straps on the planet and we make them in Bendigo. Victoria Aussie made straps. Head to Luckystraps.com use code Greg. Get yourself a healthy little discount and yeah, get yourself a nice camera strap. It's not too late. Well, it is, it is too late. Still get one. [00:01:21] Speaker A: Sorry, don't, don't order one now if you want it for Christmas. [00:01:23] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not going to happen. [00:01:25] Speaker A: You can have an X turn it. [00:01:27] Speaker B: Up on Justin's doorstep. [00:01:28] Speaker A: Give it to me now if you come to me. Yeah, sure, easy. Yeah, but, yeah, I can't, I can't. [00:01:34] Speaker C: Where's the harm in posting your address to the Internet? And of course, we are joined tonight by my co Santa and good friend of the show, Bruce Moyle. How are you, Bruce? [00:01:46] Speaker B: Co Santa. That's a different one. So I've had a few people try to make me Santa over the years, but I have never obliged. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Never. Really? [00:01:54] Speaker B: No. [00:01:55] Speaker C: Not even, not even at home for, for the little one? [00:01:59] Speaker B: No, no, we don't even have. [00:02:03] Speaker A: We don't either. This. [00:02:04] Speaker B: Well, that's the total, complete maximum amount of energy I have put into Christmas. Right. [00:02:12] Speaker C: I love it. [00:02:14] Speaker A: You guys should have made. Not even the family made mine. I wonder if I could make mine green and red or something. [00:02:19] Speaker C: Back in the day, before I became bitter and twisted and the world screwed me, I, I used to dress up as Santa Claus for my kids every Christmas. And so on Christmas Eve I'd dress up a Santa, I'd give him a present and then I'd, you know, off out the door and, oh, sorry, I swore already. Sorry. Later. And, and, and yeah, and they, I, they got a Kick out of it. I hated it because those cheap suits just are awful. [00:02:43] Speaker A: Hang on. So how good was the discussion? Did they know it was you or were you legitimately pretending to be Santa and then they didn't. [00:02:50] Speaker C: I was playing the part, but they kind of, you know, I mean, they're my kids, so they're very clever. So they worked it out, I think, but they, they kept it to themselves so as not to embarrass me. [00:03:00] Speaker A: I was going to say they played along. So they were like, don't, don't, don't tell Dan. Ruin his thing. He really thinks we believe it. [00:03:07] Speaker C: Oh, he's coming again. Oh, he's got the sack. Cheap presents. [00:03:12] Speaker A: Hey, Santa. [00:03:15] Speaker C: But here we are, random photography show. A couple of days away from Christmas. Boss, do you want to say good evening to some peeps? [00:03:22] Speaker A: I do, I do. We're getting all sorts of stuff in the, in the chat, especially Tony's here. He says two beards, one baby. I'll take. I take offense to that, Tony. I'm trying to grow it next year. 2026 is the year of Justin's beard. [00:03:34] Speaker C: Wow. I can't wait. [00:03:36] Speaker A: It's not, it's not gonna happen. Let's see, 20 a week. [00:03:40] Speaker B: You can donate to the Justin Beard Foundation. [00:03:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm gonna get that laser or whatever that people. Bald people get. I'll get that. [00:03:47] Speaker B: Just get enough so you can. [00:03:49] Speaker C: What is it? [00:03:49] Speaker A: Hair extensions, plugs maybe. You never know. Oh, Paul, new member. Thank you. There was another new member here too. Thank you. For the members that help keep the lights on because we do appreciate it. The 299amonth, it's, you know, it helps everything out here. Shane Baker, 292195. Appreciate it. [00:04:11] Speaker C: Thanks. [00:04:11] Speaker B: Shane. [00:04:12] Speaker C: Welcome. [00:04:13] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:04:13] Speaker C: And if you are new, hey, give us A, like and B, hit the subscribe button and C, hit the bell icon so you get notified in your time zone when episodes are going to drop. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Yeah, this is our Monday night show. It's our random show. We call it. This is the Christmas photography show. But it's normally just the random photography show. But on Thursdays we do interview amazing photographers like Bruce or like, who else have we had? [00:04:39] Speaker C: Amazing. [00:04:40] Speaker A: Who'd you say? [00:04:40] Speaker C: Bruce? [00:04:41] Speaker B: I wasn't on a Thursday, but. Yes. [00:04:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I know you were on a Monday, but just. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You should have been. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:04:50] Speaker B: This last week, didn't you? [00:04:52] Speaker A: Week before last, we had. Last week we had. His name is eluding my brain. [00:04:59] Speaker C: Yeah, same. [00:04:59] Speaker A: My brain's not very smart tonight. Where is it? Here it comes. It was Samuel Markham. [00:05:05] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:06] Speaker A: Australian landscape photographer. [00:05:08] Speaker C: Winner of the 24. 2024 Australian Geographic Prize for his 25 new boots. [00:05:18] Speaker A: Melted his boots. Taking an amazing bushfire photograph after saving. [00:05:23] Speaker C: His family home from. [00:05:26] Speaker B: Pretty amazing. [00:05:27] Speaker C: I can't say the word but ablaze. Huge slaze. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm going to take this hat off. It's too hot. [00:05:34] Speaker C: You are too hot with that hat on. [00:05:37] Speaker A: Okay. That's way better. Okay. Who else is here? Dennis from the School of Light says I was gonna get my bloody pick of the year ready today. But as always, deep in an edit. Looking forward to your right ear waffle. Definitely in the running for a top 50 placing. That's right. So let's do a quick. Let's do a quick briefing on the end of year best photo of the year competition that we decided to run. Few changes have been made to the rules because we like to keep you on your toes after you've already started submitting images. Now, the only change is instead of we're gonna draw it next week or review the images next week and announce the winners on December 29th Monday. But we're gonna do it on January 5th, Monday. So that's gonna give you an additional week and even a little bit of extra time. You might wanna squeak in your best photo of the year, like on New Year's Eve of fireworks or something. Who knows? Yeah. What you've got percolating in your brain for your creativity. So we're gonna. You'll have until basically that episode to submit one image, one amazing image. Your best photo of 2025. It has to be taken. Captured in 2025. We will trust that you didn't manipulate the metadata because we don't have any technology to somehow verify the dates, especially if it was shot on film. We'll believe you. But yeah, submit it and tell us why it's your favorite photo of 2025 and any information about the image. [00:07:00] Speaker B: I think that's the key. [00:07:01] Speaker A: What's that? [00:07:02] Speaker B: The telling us why the story behind the photo. [00:07:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Why it is your favorite one of the year. [00:07:11] Speaker A: We've had a couple of submissions already and that. That is the best part. Better than the photos is that is why they love it and how they captured it. So, yeah, if you want to manipulate the judging panel, that information is critical. I think everyone will love hearing it too. [00:07:28] Speaker C: Yeah. So, yeah, we're going to push it out a week, just give everyone a bit more time. But we're also looking at having some prizes up for grabs. [00:07:36] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:07:36] Speaker C: As part of the competition. And where do people send their photos again, Justin? [00:07:39] Speaker A: Email them to me. Justinuckystraps.com which is the same email you use if you want your images featured in the. Your images section at the end of tonight's show, which you've still got time for if you want to send them in. In right now. Had a couple come in. Oh, Felicity submitted her favorite photo of the year. I'm not even going to look at it. I'm just going to wait. But yeah, there's a few inputs and. [00:07:58] Speaker C: I'm going to be yours. [00:08:00] Speaker A: If you want to send 2 or 3. Just any photos that you're into at the moment, send them through. Otherwise, figure out what your favorite photo for this year was. [00:08:11] Speaker C: Are you going to bring up a favorite photo, Justin, do you think you'll. [00:08:15] Speaker A: I would like. I haven't decided yet. [00:08:18] Speaker C: I'm gonna look for something like. I'm not obviously not going to enter the competition because that would be, you know. Nepotism. Is that the term? No, because we're not related. You know what I mean? Be unfair. [00:08:28] Speaker A: You're saying you'd like to win? [00:08:30] Speaker C: No, I'm saying I don't want to. It doesn't matter. [00:08:33] Speaker A: Well, you can submit one. [00:08:34] Speaker C: I'm too tired of argue with you. [00:08:36] Speaker A: You can submit one, but you cannot win. [00:08:38] Speaker B: No, no, no. [00:08:39] Speaker C: I thought it'd be good if we. If we also brought up our favorite image of the year. [00:08:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I am going to do that. But yeah, it's like family members can't. And employees can't be. [00:08:50] Speaker C: Yeah, that. That sort of rule. [00:08:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah. [00:08:54] Speaker C: I'm not trying to win something. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah, we probably won't even allow. If. If it's a guest, a previous guest of the show, we might. We might not allow them to win a prize. We'll see. Maybe we'll have a guest. A guest? Like a prize that's only eligible to previous guests. That could be fun. [00:09:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:10] Speaker B: Oh, that'll be hard. [00:09:15] Speaker C: Then you piss some guest off because. [00:09:17] Speaker B: You want them back. [00:09:19] Speaker A: You gotta pick the person. You're like, we really don't get them back on the show. [00:09:23] Speaker C: So you get the really competitive people going. [00:09:25] Speaker A: That's not fair. That happens. Okay, what else? You guys getting any. A little feedback. You get a little audio feedback. Anyone else? [00:09:35] Speaker B: Just. [00:09:38] Speaker A: Okay, good to hear. [00:09:40] Speaker B: Can I ask if there'll be an audience vote as well? [00:09:44] Speaker A: I'd like there to be. I don't know how I'm gonna make that work, but I'd really would like there to be. [00:09:51] Speaker C: Well, we can say these are the top three and then put a poll on socials. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Or we'll just have it. We'll just judge it by just crazy amount of chats and we'll just drop basically like, like, you know, like how, how people do, like the crowd cheer and they're like o. And you're just kind of guessing on the volume. So it'll just be based on how many times you like copy paste that name into the chat. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Okay, go on. [00:10:15] Speaker A: So like a. Yeah. What could go wrong? But yeah. So there will be prizes. They'll probably be gift vouchers to the lucky strap store. The best that we can muster. There'll be multiple prizes. I'm going to pick someone. Greg's going to pick someone. A special guest or one or two will pick a. A winner as well. And then we'll also have a. Definitely have a crowd. People's Choice winner. [00:10:41] Speaker C: People's Choice Award. [00:10:42] Speaker A: The People's Choice Award. So get in. It'll be fun. It's gonna be great. [00:10:47] Speaker C: Oh, Rick Nelson just jumped in the chat. I wanted to. There's something we want to talk about about Rick Nelson before he disappears. Hello, everyone on break with the start of late night shopping. Wow, you've left it so late, so can't stay too long. Well, it's good to have you. Now we. Bruce just brought to our attention that Rick Nelson runs his own photography podcast. Really? How do we not know this? I don't know. What's it called? I mean, it's called the Photog Files. Photography, Creativity and Everything in between by Rick Nelson. It's an audio podcast. I think there's about 20 something episodes. 21 episodes? Yeah. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Did he sneak this through? [00:11:32] Speaker C: I don't know, but you guys should check. Not now. Because, you know, obviously you're here with us, but yeah, there's a, there's a. There's some more photography content for you to absorb over your Christmas break if you have. You're lucky enough to have a Chrissy break. You know, you can download them, you can listen to them in your car. You can listen to them on a run. [00:11:51] Speaker B: Yeah, they're only short. They're only like 6 to 15, 16 minutes long. [00:11:55] Speaker C: Yeah, just little punchy episodes. It's great. I'm gonna start going through them tomorrow. [00:11:59] Speaker A: Yeah, check it out. Look so in Apple podcasts, Spotify everywhere. And also, he's not working. He's. He's not shopping, he's working late. Night. Working for other people. [00:12:09] Speaker C: Oh, I see. Sorry, Rick. Now I get it. [00:12:13] Speaker A: But yeah, look, jump on there. Subscribe, follow. [00:12:17] Speaker B: And it has. Yeah, it has a theme tune. [00:12:20] Speaker A: Oh, dude. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Actually, can you play the same tune? [00:12:23] Speaker A: Should we play it? [00:12:24] Speaker C: God. [00:12:25] Speaker A: Will it be on the Christmas message one, do you think? Is this going to work? Let's see. [00:12:29] Speaker C: Let's give it a crack. [00:12:30] Speaker B: I actually haven't listened to that one yet. Hit play. [00:12:33] Speaker C: Hit play. [00:12:38] Speaker B: It's good. [00:12:45] Speaker C: Streets. It's worth it to sort. It's worth it. Pure 80s. That's epic. [00:13:11] Speaker A: That's impressive. [00:13:12] Speaker C: That's very impressive. Well done, Rick. [00:13:14] Speaker A: AI music is. It's changing the world of podcasting. That's pretty good. [00:13:25] Speaker C: Let's go. Well played, Rick Nelson. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Anyway, anyway, anyway. [00:13:33] Speaker B: I don't know how I stumbled across it, Rick, but I was like, I'll. [00:13:36] Speaker A: Listen to that one. [00:13:36] Speaker C: That's actually really cool. [00:13:38] Speaker A: Yeah, love it. [00:13:39] Speaker B: Not just. Not just the song, but the actual content's good, too. [00:13:43] Speaker A: Well done on hitting 20. 22 episodes, too. Apparently that's a very small amount of podcasts that make it to 20 episodes. I think, like, maybe it's. It's like less than 10 of podcasts. Make it to like three episodes and then less than 5% or something crazy like that. Make it to 20 episodes. It just keeps going down and down. [00:14:01] Speaker C: So we're rocking then. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah, we're rockers. We're doing it. We're doing the thing. [00:14:05] Speaker C: Yeah, Check it out. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Okay, we better quickly figure out who else is in the chat and then get into this show because I wrote down a timeline and we're already behind by a lot. I was like, we have to do this tonight. We're going to do this. We're going to stay on track. It's going to be a great show. Lisa Leach is here. Festive greetings. She says preemptive Merry Christmas from Paul Greg Carrick. Merry Christmas, fellow photographers. Oh, he's mixed up the. That's impressive you did there. [00:14:37] Speaker C: I think he's got Christmas cheer early. [00:14:39] Speaker A: Very creative. Philip Johnson is here. Evening, all. Merry Christmas, Baker. Merry Christmas, Felicity Johnson. Greetings to all my favorite shutter clickers. Hey, Ian Thompson. Afternoon. Glenn Lavender. Ho, ho, ho. Merry Christmas, one and all. Nick Fletcher. Hello, gents. Bruce, that beard is spectacular. [00:15:00] Speaker B: Oh, thanks. Yeah. [00:15:02] Speaker A: Digifrog. [00:15:03] Speaker C: Who else? [00:15:04] Speaker A: And apparently I was really rocking hat. Who else? Everybody. Brett Wooderson. Glenn Lavender says I didn't start shaving till I was 37. Justin, you've got time. Oh, are you serious? That's great. So I could still get something going. I thought I was doomed for life to be beardless. Okay. Yeah. Tony's named me for a long time. I've never shaved. [00:15:29] Speaker B: Oh. [00:15:29] Speaker A: New member, Nick Fletcher. Thank you everybody for joining us on the membership. [00:15:33] Speaker C: There's another one, too. [00:15:36] Speaker A: You guys are legends. Very, very cool. Anyone else? Who else is in there? Didn't know you could be a member. Just joined up to keep you all in Ferraris. [00:15:44] Speaker C: Thanks. [00:15:45] Speaker A: Which tier did you choose, Nick? Was it the 2.99amonth one or the $2.9 million? [00:15:51] Speaker C: Which one was it? [00:15:52] Speaker A: I'll have to add a Ferrari tier. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:57] Speaker C: And Paul. Paul Henderson wants to know if you missed any Fujifilm news. No, we haven't gotten to the news yet. And there's plenty, plenty in store. [00:16:02] Speaker A: I always make sure we will get there. We will get there. Okay. Yeah, Glenn. Finally podcast news. Glenn's gonna hit 600 episodes next year. I wonder what the percentage of pods that go for that long are. Not many. No many. [00:16:18] Speaker B: We got to. We got over 700 when we did it years ago. Did you? [00:16:21] Speaker C: Wow, that's good. [00:16:22] Speaker A: That is crazy. [00:16:24] Speaker B: Andrew. [00:16:24] Speaker C: Andrew Helmich. He's got quite a few, hasn't he? [00:16:26] Speaker A: He's in the 600- yeah, yeah. Andrew Helmich. Yeah, his is in the 600-00 or maybe even 700-00 now. But, yeah, he's been doing it for a bit. [00:16:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:37] Speaker A: David de Parker, Seasons greetings to you too. Hey, David, thank you for joining us. All right, let's get to some comments, shall we? Yeah, probably should do that. Look, there was Christmas banners. Our. Our system Streamyard gave us Christmas banners, but they don't. They look kind of silly, so we won't use those. [00:16:59] Speaker C: You like them. [00:17:00] Speaker A: It ruins all the information. That's right. Very hard on it. [00:17:05] Speaker C: No one reads it. [00:17:06] Speaker A: Ah, okay. [00:17:09] Speaker C: All right, clips and comments, clips and comments. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Let's just see if anyone's been commenting this week and see what we need to read out. Okay. Oh, comments on it on a JPEG or RAW video for that we did with. I think that must be Andrew hall. Surely a clip that I made from a while ago about whether you should shoot JPEG or RAW for professional motorsport photography. And Jean Marcel Lindback, 2459 says, I shoot the same as Andrew. Full JPEG out of the box. Fuji XH2s. The Fuji JPEGs are top. I'm gonna heart that one. Nice. It's good to see a clip on it. I've commented on old clip. It encourages me to make more clips. [00:18:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's. [00:18:01] Speaker A: I Gotta do that. I gotta. I've gotta get back on it. From Samuel Markham's episode last week, 143, which if you haven't listened to that was. That was pretty interesting story, pretty crazy. That was really full on after reflecting though, as much as that bushfire story was a wild story and his images from that series are pretty captivating. But the rest of his work beyond that is really well done. Like his other completely non bushfire related landscape photography is really quite something. [00:18:33] Speaker C: Yeah, we didn't really get a chance to go through that in the episode. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Yeah, we looked at a bit. But you could do a whole episode on. On that stuff and dig sort of into his philosophies and shooting style and stuff because yeah, it was. He's. He's a talented photographer, that's for sure. [00:18:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:50] Speaker A: But definitely worth a listen if you haven't yet. Who do we have here? David Maltby, 2065 says great podcast, great photographer with amazing images and I agree with that. Felicity Johnson, 4. She commented on Samuel Markham's videos of video interview. [00:19:11] Speaker C: What do we do? [00:19:11] Speaker A: Podcasts. That's right. [00:19:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:13] Speaker A: I had to watch the start of this amazing video as I come in late to the live. But what an amazing photo of the aftermath from the fire. As a firefighter and someone who lost our house, neighbors and friends in the Black Saturday fire, 2009, one of Australia's worst fires, 173 fatalities. Samuel's description and image really brought up emotions. [00:19:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:36] Speaker A: That's why we take photos. So we don't forget these moments in honor of those who were affected and to educate people about these incredible forces from nature. We still own our property in King Lake and I've photographed the changes in vegetation. Thank you, Samuel. [00:19:51] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [00:19:52] Speaker A: Thanks, Felicity. [00:19:53] Speaker C: Well said, Felicity. Beautiful words. [00:19:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty heavy too. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Yeah, really heavy. [00:20:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:02] Speaker A: And especially if. I can only imagine if you've been through it, it would. It would certainly bring back memories because he told it with quite a. Quite a bit of detail. [00:20:11] Speaker B: Yep. [00:20:11] Speaker C: Do you know, it's funny, I have a really irrational fear of a house fire. I'm really paranoid about it. Yeah. Because I had a friend when I grew up as a teenager. I've never lived in a bushfire affected area. I had been in a bushfire once, but it wasn't a huge one. It's more of a grass fire. But anyway, a friend, teenage friend. I think we were like maybe 16. She had a candle in a room, went out and the candle knocked over and was right next to A something caught fire on her tabletop and it was right next to a can of deodorant and then that exploded and yeah, half the house burnt down. She lost everything she had and I think it's that more than anything, just losing everything that she had a few friends, apart from, you know, obviously loss of life and stuff. That's. That's tops the list over my Nintendo stuff. Well, it's close. [00:21:04] Speaker B: You know, I've had three friends in the last decade who have lost their houses. [00:21:09] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty full on. [00:21:11] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty. [00:21:17] Speaker A: Someone, someone from our gym lost their house twice. Oh, like the same house and. Yeah, from, from. Yeah. Like sort of bad, bad luck accident. You know, like embers that weren't. Weren't out kind of thing. You know, like that kind of thing where it's like it just. It would be a one in a million kind of bad luck. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:42] Speaker A: Rebuilt and then. Yeah. [00:21:44] Speaker C: Anyway, well, I, I don't let the kids light candles in the house. I mean, granted all of our kids are adults, but I still save no candles. I just, you know, because people walk away from stuff they forget it's there. [00:21:58] Speaker B: Oh my God. Rick Nelson's comment. [00:22:01] Speaker A: Yeah. My now wife lost everything in a house fire the year we met. [00:22:05] Speaker C: Oh, wow, Rick, that's huge. [00:22:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:08] Speaker B: All right, so we've all had house. [00:22:10] Speaker C: Fires somewhere more common than we think. Yeah. [00:22:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:15] Speaker C: Anyway, let's move along. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Beast that they can be safe over the holidays. Don't. Greg says no candles. No candles. It's not worth. Don't gift them. Don't do anything. Just no candles. Sorry. If anyone's got a candle making business, we just. [00:22:29] Speaker C: You up. [00:22:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Businesses not, not booming. [00:22:33] Speaker C: You're not doing anything. [00:22:36] Speaker A: Lucky candles. No. Felicity Johnson also lost a machinery shed two years ago, destroying the new 4 drive, all their tools and more. Oh, man. [00:22:44] Speaker C: Oh, gosh. [00:22:46] Speaker A: I don't want to derail the show but, but what would you, what would you grab? What would you. What would be the other than obviously get family out. Is there anything you'd be like grab the, grab this, grab the that or. [00:22:55] Speaker C: Just Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch 1. My 7. My 7. Collector editions of Nintendo Switches the Cats. [00:23:06] Speaker A: So hang on, is that in order? [00:23:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:08] Speaker A: Switch to Switch one the cats. [00:23:12] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. No, I think, I think hard drive and laptop would be. [00:23:18] Speaker B: That's too hard for me. I've got literally got hundreds of hard drives. [00:23:23] Speaker C: Which one? [00:23:23] Speaker D: Which one? [00:23:27] Speaker A: Yeah, hang on. [00:23:29] Speaker C: I've just got. I've just got to do a backup. [00:23:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:32] Speaker C: Excuse me. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Excuse me, Mr. Fire, can you just hold while I grab my stuff? [00:23:38] Speaker C: Because I think losing everything. This is a terrible topic to bring up in the middle of summer, but losing everything would be. Would be hard. But if you had your laptop and you could still start the process of fixing things, you know, there's email, you can look up stuff, you can contact the government, you can. [00:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:23:58] Speaker B: There is one advantage of having stuff in the cloud and that is. [00:24:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that is that. And that's why we all have all those subscriptions and no privacy and stuff. Because. Yeah, it is a. Yeah, big advance. [00:24:10] Speaker C: Very real thing for a lot of people though. Rick Nelson said I grab family, then camera and hard drives. Felicity says my chooks priority at the shed fire. Yep. [00:24:23] Speaker D: Great. [00:24:24] Speaker C: Carrick thinks that Bruce's house is built of hard drives. It may be between him and Lee Herbert. This is no wonder no one else can buy them. And Grant Fleming, we got box of birth certificates, etc. Eilish said when their home has burnt down, trying to prove who you are was hard. Maybe a little easier now with technology. Yeah, I guess you've got nothing. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:46] Speaker C: If you literally left every, like ran out with nothing or arrived home with nothing, it's. Yeah, that's huge. [00:24:53] Speaker B: Have we got them at the minute? I can't remember if they're in there a minute. But our, our, like birth certificates and stuff like that are all in the deeds office with the lawyer. [00:25:02] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. Title, all that stuff. [00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah, all that, all that sort of stuff. Yeah, it's always good. It's in a secure space. So even if you got robbed or something like that, you know. Yeah, it's there. [00:25:14] Speaker C: Yeah, full on. Interesting to hear how many of you have been impacted in some way. It's. Oh, there's Hazel. Yeah. Really interesting. All right, let's move along. [00:25:27] Speaker A: Yeah, let's. Let's talk about fun stuff. All right. We're already behind schedule. Greg, so of your social posts that you found this week, which ones are the funnest. [00:25:37] Speaker C: Handmade cameras in Japan? [00:25:39] Speaker B: That was interesting. [00:25:41] Speaker A: All right, let me find it. [00:25:43] Speaker B: Third one down. [00:25:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it takes you. Oh, hang on, is there a specific one or. It takes me to the whole thing and you can navigate me through. [00:25:51] Speaker C: Yeah, just like. Just bring up like the first one or something. [00:25:54] Speaker A: Yeah, hang on, let's try to find it. [00:25:57] Speaker C: How would I put it? [00:25:58] Speaker A: There we go. Which one? [00:26:04] Speaker B: Oh, anyway, just click on something. Click on. [00:26:08] Speaker C: I just thought it was. It was interesting because there's this company in Japan who machines everything that will make. [00:26:18] Speaker A: So loud. Is that loud for you guys? [00:26:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Okay. I'll turn it down or off. [00:26:25] Speaker B: So, yeah, like cncing stuff and making his own bodies and everything. That's really cool. [00:26:31] Speaker A: Wow. [00:26:32] Speaker C: Yeah, it's full on. [00:26:35] Speaker A: So what do they make? [00:26:40] Speaker C: From what I can see, they make film camera bodies. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Okay. [00:26:44] Speaker B: They make. [00:26:44] Speaker C: They make bespoke ones. I. I haven't. I haven't dived too deeply into it because it was a lot of these sort of articles to look through, but. Yeah. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Wow. [00:26:58] Speaker B: It's just the new hobby to take up, Justin. [00:27:00] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. It's just something. You've got a factory, just, you know, maybe just that loft area in the factory. Get it cleared out, and then you can set up some CNC machines. You can make your own cameras. Yeah. [00:27:11] Speaker B: See, every lucky strap needs an ornament of a camera. A lucky camera. [00:27:19] Speaker A: This. These look expensive. [00:27:24] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:27:26] Speaker A: These look really expensive because. [00:27:29] Speaker C: Very cool. [00:27:31] Speaker B: Imagine sitting there like, it's one thing to build a body and get all the moving bits and stuff, but the timing on it and everything else. [00:27:39] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Yep. [00:27:42] Speaker A: I wonder if any of that stuff is off the shelf, like any of the mechanisms or anything. Like a shelf part that they like. [00:27:50] Speaker B: The shutter or whatever. [00:27:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And they can get that from somewhere or if they had to literally come up with all of it. [00:27:58] Speaker C: It's pretty cool, though. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah. How'd you come across this? Just into the algorithm. Just got. [00:28:05] Speaker C: Yeah, just in the algorithm, because I've been looking at a lot of photography stuff for Monday nights and. And so obviously I get fed a lot of stuff by Instagram. [00:28:15] Speaker A: Precision grinding of the film rails. Look at it go. [00:28:18] Speaker C: Yeah, yep. [00:28:21] Speaker B: Engineering level accuracy. [00:28:22] Speaker C: That was like half a millimeter adjustment. Let's go. [00:28:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:28:27] Speaker B: Well, that sort of stuff, you get into microns. [00:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Look at the gauge on that. [00:28:34] Speaker A: Doing the micron level measurement. 1. [00:28:37] Speaker C: That's crazy. [00:28:38] Speaker A: 1. 1.5. Oh, no, too high. Grind it down. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:43] Speaker A: No, you throw it out. You ruined it. Well, that's the problem. You can't add material back. [00:28:52] Speaker C: A couple of quick hits. Let's look at Lisa Leeches, Ted's honorable mention, winning certificate, winning images. [00:29:03] Speaker A: Oh, hang on. What account am I logged into? [00:29:06] Speaker C: What are you doing? [00:29:08] Speaker A: I must be in the wrong, because I don't. This one doesn't follow her. I'm like, what account is this even logged into? I don't know. You might have to pull that up. Otherwise I'll try and change my login. [00:29:19] Speaker C: You bring up the next one, which is Lucinda's little post about mentoring. [00:29:25] Speaker B: Yeah, mentoring stuff. [00:29:28] Speaker C: Why did that. No, I want Lisa's. [00:29:31] Speaker A: Here we go. One to one creative chats. One to one mentoring sessions with me, Lucinda Goodwin. A relaxed, creative conversation built just for you. Creative chats. One hour session on Google Meet where we dive into whatever you need most right now. Whether you're a musician feeling stuck with their social media, a photographer trying to break into live music or creative who just wants to talk process, mindset or direction. These chats are your space to get clarity, bounce ideas and walk away with a plan you'll actually feel good about. No gatekeeping here. Love it. [00:30:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's awesome. [00:30:05] Speaker A: So it sounds like you can just contact Lucinda Goodwin through her Instagram or however you want to get in touch with her and she'll run you through how these things work. [00:30:15] Speaker C: Yep. [00:30:17] Speaker A: Oh yeah. It's even got prices. $95 for an hour. [00:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:21] Speaker A: Or $250 for three one hour sessions. Must be used within six months. It is cheap. [00:30:27] Speaker C: Yeah, it's good. [00:30:29] Speaker B: Get it, get it. Why it's at this price. [00:30:33] Speaker A: And look. Yeah, just wander on in and here I am. [00:30:36] Speaker C: Oh, we're just talking about you again. [00:30:39] Speaker B: He's a burning. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Yep. [00:30:42] Speaker C: That's very cool offer, Lucinda. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Really, really great. Good time of year. Good time of year to have a bit of, a bit of guidance about how you want to tackle 2026, I think. [00:30:50] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. I've just started a mentoring relationship. Have you? Yeah, with Matthew Garberg who we met at bfop. [00:31:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:00] Speaker C: Canon Shooter. Unfortunately I'm trying to convert him to Fujifilm but you know, hey, I gave him my XE5 that at that befop night and it took him less than three minutes to come back and say, hey, I want one. [00:31:14] Speaker A: That's true. Yeah, yeah, that is true. [00:31:18] Speaker C: But yeah, yeah, we're just having chats once a month. It's just as good for me as it is as I hope it is for him. Like I. It's great to have that relationship and to get ideas off someone else and talk through them and you know, it's collaboration. [00:31:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:34] Speaker C: Anyway, well played. Lucinda. I've got one to bring up. Can I bring this up? [00:31:38] Speaker A: Yeah, let me pull this down and you can add yours there. Perfect. [00:31:45] Speaker C: Not bad for someone who's been, you know, doing photography for 13 months. But our good friend Lisa Leach has won a Ted's Camera of the Photographer of the Year honorable mention, Highly commended for her images. Nature images. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've seen that one have is that, that's Been on the podcast, I think, hasn't. [00:32:07] Speaker C: I think it might. I know this one has. I love this. Anyway, the transition between Internet doesn't do it justice, but they're absolutely stunning. Stunning. [00:32:24] Speaker B: Yep. [00:32:24] Speaker C: So well done, kiddo. That's great news. [00:32:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Nice work. [00:32:30] Speaker C: She says. Took my breath away. Thanks, guys, for the mention. It's the least we can do. We love celebrating our peeps. [00:32:39] Speaker A: We do, yeah. [00:32:41] Speaker C: Last one is Bruce versus Mantis. [00:32:44] Speaker B: All right. I don't know why you stuck that on there. [00:32:46] Speaker C: I've watched this on repeat so many times. [00:32:51] Speaker A: We'Ll need to remove you. [00:32:53] Speaker C: Oh, sorry. Yep. [00:32:55] Speaker A: And then I'll have to. Hang on. How can I go back to. [00:33:00] Speaker C: There he is. [00:33:00] Speaker A: To play again. Does it need sound? [00:33:02] Speaker C: Tell us about this rig. [00:33:03] Speaker B: No, it's just got music on it, so I suppose I'll start with it. So the. The thing on me is called an Easyrig. I've actually got one back there, a smaller one. The Mantis is the thing that's on the top of it, which uses the rubber band to hold the camera. Normally, an Easyrig has a. Well, you can see it on the edge there. That has a string which runs through. [00:33:33] Speaker A: I've seen string ones. I don't think I've ever seen that. [00:33:36] Speaker B: That's what an easy rig has and that's what I've got. And that's what it is. But the Mantis is the thing on top, which is an Australian evolution to add to them. And the thing they're fixing is the problem with the Easy rig system is that when you start to move it, it locks in. You're good, you're good, you're good. But if you want to push down on the string or pull up on the. There's a bit of tension you've got to get through, so you can't get a smooth movement. This uses a bungee system, like. They're like rubber, like gym straps, really. Like this chords. They got different colors for different weeks. And give, it's got pure give. So hold. When you put it to a. Based on the weight of the camera you're using, you can pull it up, stretch it, get it to the point where it sits equal to the plane of where you want the camera to sit normally. So you can actually adjust it up and down, but then. Then when you're using it, you can push it up and down smoothly. You can see me doing it there. [00:34:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:41] Speaker B: And that. The camera on. It's an Arri Alexa 35, so it's only like a hundred Thousand dollars. [00:34:48] Speaker A: I was gonna say just a cheap one. [00:34:50] Speaker B: Just a cheap one. [00:34:53] Speaker C: Was this at an event or like a trade show or something that you got to try it out or. [00:34:57] Speaker B: No, a Australian Cinematography Society. [00:35:01] Speaker C: That's right. [00:35:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And like a little thing on my shirt at the minute, the ACS shirt. So that's, that's. We had a Tassie Branch Christmas lunch down in Oatland. Yeah, I saw the photos and so people bring some gear along. One of the, the president at the moment, he runs a company called Digi and Night which does extremely high end systems for cameras. So they go to LA and stuff like that. And so if you, you might have heard of small rig and stuff which do cages for cameras and stuff, this is the premium end of that for like re and reds and venices and stuff. [00:35:44] Speaker C: And what does it really look? What does a rig like that cost? [00:35:47] Speaker B: Mate, it's all component parts you put onto. It's how you extend your camera out in different ways, like cages and, and stuff. But they do stuff with drones and all sorts of stuff. It's really cool. Yeah. And it's all tazzy, done, developed, which is amazing. [00:36:02] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:36:03] Speaker B: Yeah. So one of the guys down there brought that and I was keen on playing with the Mantis because I've. That's been a bug. Bear in mind, that whole jolt thing. [00:36:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:16] Speaker B: So it's like, oh, let me have a play with that. [00:36:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Is there something you think you'll add to your kit one day? [00:36:22] Speaker B: I'd like to, but yeah, it's like, how much more kit do I need? [00:36:28] Speaker C: Silly question, Bruce. You never ask yourself that question. What have you, you've learned? [00:36:32] Speaker B: Nothing. I've got a new bit of kit. We can talk about that later if you want. [00:36:37] Speaker C: We'll come back to that. Let's have a quick scroll through some. Do you want to do the YouTube videos or should we just drop them in the comments later? [00:36:45] Speaker A: Yeah, we might. Let's, let's keep it rolling. Although, I mean. Yeah, yeah, we'll do a quick summary because we've got some of Greg's photos, I think, from, from, from that shoot for images. [00:37:00] Speaker C: Yeah, all right. But yeah, Greg Carrick's got a new video out. Dennis Smith has one that dropped, I think last Tuesday or late Monday night. Definitely worth checking that one out. It's, it's a short video and it's, it just showcases a piece of his work which is just absolutely stunning. And our friend Lee Herbert has been testing some Apple Vision Pro accessories and I thought Maybe that would, that would pike your interest there, Justin, because you're pretty keen on some goggle action. [00:37:26] Speaker A: I like to keep up with it. It's sort of like. It's definitely coming. It's coming along. But the Apple Vision Pro is kind of. I guess they did a little refresh on it recently, but other than that, it's kind of just sitting there doing not much. [00:37:40] Speaker C: I doubt they're selling that many in this economy. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Yeah, who was I listening? I was listening to a podcast with someone and they got asked about it. Was the guy that makes the glitter porch bomb things, Mark Rober. Yeah. So he was on a podcast and someone asked him just about his thoughts on VR and all that sort of stuff. And he said, obviously it's coming, but it just hasn't had the breakthrough application to give it mass market appeal. You know how a device needs that thing that makes everyone want to have it so they can use it for the thing. It's not at the moment people want it for the goggles, and that's a very small amount of people. But you need the people that want it for something. The goggles provide them. [00:38:27] Speaker C: You want the. [00:38:28] Speaker A: Yeah, his example was, and I think it's very smart, he's like, how is there not a premium sports, live sports offering where you're literally sitting any, like next to the court, in the seats, Courtside? [00:38:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:45] Speaker A: And then he said, oh, no, I. [00:38:48] Speaker B: Was gonna say, like just going off on that. There's a system they, they do where they use IMAX theaters and they do live broadcast in it, but they've actually got an array of cameras to give you the full pitch. I saw it on Rexam, but they've used it for other things as well. And so it feels like you are in the stadium, in the crowd. [00:39:10] Speaker A: Like, see, you could definitely take that. [00:39:13] Speaker B: Technology, that projection and stick it in there. [00:39:16] Speaker A: And I think once that goes to that. And yeah, it's going to be an expensive thing and it's going to be something where it's like, oh man, it's like a hundred dollar a month subscription. But you can literally be, you know, into these places. Because that's what he said. He's like, first of all, you could be at courtside. And then he's like, screw that. What if you were literally behind the net at a soccer, you know, like you. Somewhere where you can never sit because you can't be. You can mount a camera there or. [00:39:45] Speaker C: Or players start wearing cameras or the. [00:39:48] Speaker A: Ref and you just be the. Be the ref. Imagine you switch to ref view and you're literally the ref. [00:39:55] Speaker C: Like FIFA. [00:39:56] Speaker A: You get so sick because they're running around. Their goggles aren't up to that yet. You would feel terrible. [00:40:02] Speaker C: Yeah, that'd be fun. [00:40:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:05] Speaker D: Wow. [00:40:05] Speaker C: Anyway, anyway, that's what's happening on the YouTubes. Yeah. So check out those channels. Give them a like, give them a subscribe. It helps out our friends. [00:40:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Don't forget Aussie Park Super Live. Lucinda is going to be binge watching it. [00:40:21] Speaker C: Good on you, kiddo. Nice. All right, let's move along. [00:40:26] Speaker A: On to the news. We are definitely way behind the score that I wrote down. We cannot do it. We can't do it. [00:40:34] Speaker C: Let me just do a quick read. We don't need to buttons. Everybody read in Fujifilm news. We'll start with Fujifilm. I don't know why. We just will. A couple of articles have come out this week about Fujifilm's Instax production. They're investing another $32 million into expanding their Instax gold mine. It seems Instax sales are through the roof and they can't keep up with demand, which is amazing and great for analog photography, you know. [00:41:05] Speaker A: Hold on. It's also great for non analog photography because a healthy Fujifilm means new GFX lenses. It means GFX eterna cinema cameras, you know, like. Because it's not susceptible to the flux, as susceptible to the fluctuations in our sort of pro market. If it's got this underpinning of a. A mass consumer item, I think it's great. [00:41:27] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Everyone wins. [00:41:29] Speaker B: Run by Dennis now. [00:41:30] Speaker C: Really? Yeah. [00:41:32] Speaker A: That's actually. That's why they had to expand production was they heard that next year befop's. [00:41:37] Speaker C: Gonna have a record for a thousand. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Like a thousand start making. [00:41:42] Speaker C: Our friend Andrew hall, who we're just talking about at the top of the show, he. One of his responsibilities at Fujifilm Australia is he. He's an ambassador for Fujifilm Instax. He's not just the motorsport guy running around with the XH2s and you know, the 500F56. He. He actually is one of his responsibilities is Instax. So he must be doing very well with his work. [00:42:07] Speaker B: Yeah, good work. But also I guess it doesn't cost him anything to use Instax like everybody else. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:42:19] Speaker C: What else? A couple of patents spotted. There is a big rumor that a Fujifilm TX3 digital XPAN. There is a rumor that Fujifilm are developing one of those and that it will come out next year on the anniversary of the original TX1 Xpan Fujifilm film camera. That's the rumor. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Oh. [00:42:41] Speaker C: And they've. They've put out a couple of weird patents for lenses. So for a 35F4 and a 28F4, which they think is for this camera. [00:42:52] Speaker A: I was, I was. That. That is very interesting. Yeah. Will they do it, do you think? [00:42:59] Speaker C: I don't know. I reckon they're probably getting that feedback off their GFX100RF. How many people are loving the wide aspect ratios? [00:43:06] Speaker B: It. [00:43:06] Speaker A: That's the kind of thing that is tempting, but it's. Yeah. Whether if it was really, really expensive, but if it's. If it was less than a GFX would be pretty interesting. Less like lower price. [00:43:19] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think, I think that the article said that it's not an APSC and it's not a GFX center. It's somewhere in the middle. And there was rumors earlier in the year about Fujifilm developing a full frame sensor. So this, I mean, again, it's all rumors. [00:43:35] Speaker A: Anyway, let's move along very quickly with Fujifilm though. I was listening to the Pedapixel podcast. They did like a prediction show and interestingly enough, they do a prediction show every year and they recapped last year's predictions. They did. And 2 out of 11 were accurate. So take this with a grain of salt for this year, which I thought it was funny that they do that. They went back through all of them, they were like, got that wrong, Got that, got that wrong. But they of the opinion that early this year they reckon Fujifilm will release a new X series sensor, like new generation sensor of that sort of flagship sensor that they do in the X Pro 4 that will then slowly trickle down into subsequent, you know, the XT6 or whatever that is, and each successor as they go. [00:44:33] Speaker C: I mean, They've had the 40 MiG. The one that I've got in the XT5 is also in the XT5 and it's in. What else is it in anyway? And that's been around for about two and a half years and it's the fourth or fifth generation of X Trans, so it kind of happens about every two years. So we're kind of due for something. Yeah, yeah. And whether they'll jump it up to a 60 megapixel, like a Leica, like, like your Q3 or, or I don't. [00:45:00] Speaker A: Know, 60 megapixel crop. That would be pretty intense. [00:45:04] Speaker B: Cell phone. [00:45:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think 40 40s are sweet. They're great. There it's probably more whether they can improve their auto focus and dynamic range and stuff. [00:45:18] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:45:18] Speaker A: And just. [00:45:21] Speaker C: Yeah, we don't need more. Yeah, we don't need big pixels. Yeah, but you're right. We need a little bit better low light performance, a little bit better Ibis and a little bit better on the, on the focus performance. Color science is magic. You know they've kind of, they've nailed that. [00:45:37] Speaker A: Exactly. And it wouldn't need to be a big change. It could just be a. Yeah, just an iteration and improve everything across the board just a little bit and then. [00:45:45] Speaker C: Yeah, anyway, we'll see. Should we jump to Sony? Very quickly, a couple of bits of Sony news. Couple of seven artisan lenses announced. There's a 6 mil F2 APSC fisheye for E mount and there's also a 50 mil 1.2. [00:46:02] Speaker B: They're all crop. [00:46:04] Speaker C: They're all crop. They're all. Yep. And we'll drop this in the, in the, in the comments a bit later but there's a great little tear down. Someone dismantles one of the new A75s. Yeah. So but we're not going to go through that here because that's a whole thing. [00:46:24] Speaker A: There was a bit of scuttlebutt about that A75's dynamic range though that got tested. Did you see that, Bruce? [00:46:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I've been so busy I haven't kept up next to anything to be honest. [00:46:39] Speaker A: It basically tested really, really well with mechanical shutter and good with electronic shutter too. Obviously you usually take a hit with electronic shutter in dynamic range but it was still good. But like it tested really, really well. I think up, up amongst some of the best cameras for you know, sort of of our normal consumer level cameras. Like not, not your big medium format. [00:47:04] Speaker B: Stuff but I heard that. I haven't seen one but I heard that when I, when you go to electronic shutter it doesn't drop from 14 bit to 12 bit and that's the big difference. Where most cameras, even the Canon and stuff like that dropped down to 12. [00:47:19] Speaker C: Take a hit. [00:47:19] Speaker B: Yeah, take a hit to have the speed on the Electro on the electronic shutter. [00:47:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I could be wrong. I don't know. [00:47:27] Speaker B: As I said, I'm behind on things. [00:47:28] Speaker A: The, the Canon 6 Mark III drops to 12 bit and the, the A7V doesn't. That's definitely true and I'm sure a lot of other cameras drop to 12 bit as well. I don't think the R3 does. That was one of its benefits. I'm pretty sure. But yeah, it holds its dynamic range I think because it's doing some. [00:47:53] Speaker C: Sort. [00:47:53] Speaker A: Of trickery with dual gain ISO in mechanical shutter images to get really high dynamic range up amongst. Basically it's saying that, I don't know, it gets this rating of 12.47 or whatever, which puts it 12.47. The GFX100II is 12.55. The Hasselblad X2D Mark II is 12.46. So it's in the range of those cameras for dynamic range. Whereas like Wild, isn't it? Yeah, the R6 Mark III I think is like maybe it's 11 point something 11.8 or you know, like it's a, it's. It's quite a significant step down. The, I think the, the general conclusion after that is though, even though it sounds like a lot, it's not something that a lot of people notice in image taking. It's not a big difference in real world. [00:48:47] Speaker B: You got to think about it like, yeah, most people, if they're shooting most things won't notice that. It's. If you're going for extreme low light or like extreme like shooting in the desert with a massive bit of shadow somewhere or something like that, you, you don't. Or studio stuff, you could do some interesting stuff with a bit more range. [00:49:05] Speaker C: But for the average enthusiast it's not. [00:49:08] Speaker B: Gonna, it's like, how much can I pull the highlight slider back? [00:49:12] Speaker A: Exactly the issue. What's hard is though, so I see why people get interested with it. Obviously we all want, why wouldn't we all want more dynamic range? Like that's great, it's good. And it also makes it. You think, oh damn. It's a shame that Canon weren't able to do this in their most recent release. But it's not enough to jump systems or anything like that. But what I did see that was interesting on the Internet was Canon rumors was putting some stuff out there saying, why is everybody whinging about dynamic range? Anyone that complains about dynamic range doesn't know how to just take a good photo. And I'm like, that's very interesting coming from a rumors site. You guys literally are the specs and rumors people. [00:49:59] Speaker C: Yeah, they whip people into a frenzy over stuff and then they, if, if. [00:50:04] Speaker A: The Canon had a stop better diamond, they'd be talking all about it. But because it's a stop lower, they're like, oh, you know, you don't need that. And anyone that thinks that you need it doesn't know how to take photos. And blah blah, blah. [00:50:15] Speaker B: And I was like, you say that about anybody, like yeah, a pro photographer, like somebody who knows their craft should know how to work within the range. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Tolerances of the machine basically of transparency, film. Yeah. [00:50:32] Speaker B: That's it? That's all you've got? [00:50:34] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that's Sony. Quick, quick little bit of canon news. Canon EOS R7. The rumor is the Mark II will have a stacked 40 megapixel sensor. And the other news is, which is pretty big really, Canon is considering outsourcing the production of lower end so entry level products to external partners. So that includes cameras and lenses which. [00:51:02] Speaker A: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nikon already do that for some lenses with Tamron. [00:51:07] Speaker C: Ah, maybe. Yeah, I have heard that. [00:51:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:11] Speaker A: Pretty sure. [00:51:12] Speaker C: It is interesting because earlier this year we talked about a story where they were automating most of their factories. They were going for, you know, basically robotics, a bit more kind of hands off stuff because people are expensive to hire, you know. So yeah, this is just another step. It's interesting. [00:51:33] Speaker A: It's interesting too because it's like, well do it. Does anyone else do that? [00:51:40] Speaker C: Yeah, so they might already. We might not know. [00:51:42] Speaker A: We just don't know. And that's what I mean. I think it's, it's reasonably well known that some of the Nikon lenses are Tamron, kind of like rehoused, rebranded kind of Tamrons made by Tamron for Nikon with their color and their like whatever specs that they need. But yeah, it's whether that does that mean Tamron or does that mean some other, you know, no name kind of factory that they're looking at making their lenses and stuff. But it's interesting because like you know, Apple outsource a lot of their production. [00:52:15] Speaker C: Almost all of it. [00:52:17] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's, it's sort of just I guess a. Yeah, tech industry management. [00:52:23] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not lucky straps. Oh no, they're not outsourced. They're made here in Australia. [00:52:30] Speaker A: That's right. [00:52:30] Speaker C: Code Greg Nikon news, another TT Artisans, they've just released a silver version of an existing lens for Z mount in Leica News. This is for yourself and, and Dennis smith for the Q3 own and anyone that owns a SL3 if you can afford one, there's a major Firmware update, version 4.0 for those camera systems, Q3s and SL3s, a couple of range of fixes but apparently for the Q3s, autofocus performance improvements. [00:53:04] Speaker A: I'm excited by it. Yeah. So Dennis says, Dennis says the Q3 firmware update has a hilarious flaw, but it's generally super sick. And. Yeah, we need more info, Dennis. Like, what's the flaw? [00:53:15] Speaker B: Call in now. [00:53:16] Speaker A: Oh, look at this. Big problem. He knows how to create a bit of hype, a bit of interest, intrigue. I really want to obviously do this update because I. I've been thinking about doing a segment on this show or making a YouTube video or something about, like, what happens when you buy your dream camera and how much I haven't used it lately and. Hang on, hang on. [00:53:43] Speaker C: There we go. Clockwork. [00:53:47] Speaker A: Looks like. Let's see if you can. Is this gonna work? Can you hear us, Dennis? Dennis, are you there? [00:53:56] Speaker B: Hang on. [00:53:58] Speaker A: Stay with us. You know the deal. Can you. Can you hear us now? All right. Not yet. Be patient. This is quite possibly the worst. [00:54:08] Speaker B: This needs its own theme tune. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Yeah, hang on. I'm coming, Dennis. Just wait. Let's try that. Can you hear us now? Hello? Dennis. Hey, how are you? There he is. [00:54:26] Speaker D: All right, now, I know that we're a little tight for time, but I need a break. [00:54:29] Speaker C: I've been. [00:54:29] Speaker D: I've been on an edit for three days, so this is a good break. Okay, here's the deal. Here's the deal. With the Q3 update, I thought I'm on always am, because Leica. Perfect. And hilariously, I went to set up my autofocus, and if you turn the focus peaking on, it's on for everything. So you used to be able to have no focus P or focus peaking just for manual. And then when you go to auto, it turns off. And then when you touch the focus ring, and now if you put the or focus peaking on it, it's on literally for everything. Auto, manual. But also when you take a photo with focus peaking on and you press play, it has the focus peaking on the replay. It's so funny. [00:55:16] Speaker A: It's on the replay. But is it in the JPEGs or anything? What, on your computer? [00:55:21] Speaker D: I have no idea. I mean, JPEGs are for kids, but. [00:55:27] Speaker A: JPEGs of kids. CLIP that. Somebody clip that. That's a T shirt jpegs. [00:55:34] Speaker D: So it hilarious. Yeah, but other than that, it's. It's wicked, man. It's actually because the autofocus system on it used to be like. It was basically like taking a photo with a potato. Right. [00:55:44] Speaker A: It's why I haven't used it so much. I just, I. I can't trust it to take fast scenes. [00:55:50] Speaker D: Yeah, but it's wicked. I. I did some testing with my wife. She was sitting in a chair but it actually saw her eyes. And then the cat, One of our 10 cats walked past and I was like, oh, here we go. Pointed it at the cat and it actually saw the cat. So I'm pretty excited about it. Apart from the fact that there's no focus peaking. Yeah. But there you go. So carry on. Hey, I've got a sick. I've got a sick photo of the year. It requires a full behind the scenes explanation video. That's how sick it is. [00:56:22] Speaker A: Excellent. [00:56:24] Speaker D: Yeah, it might be in a top 20. Might be a top 20. [00:56:27] Speaker A: Got till the. You got to the 5th of January to get it through. Or let's. Let's say the 4th, just so I don't have too much work to do on that fifth. But yeah, so the fifth is where. When we're gonna do the show. [00:56:36] Speaker D: Locked in. I love you guys. Merry Christmas everyone. What a. What a beautiful year with Camera Life podcast. [00:56:42] Speaker C: Hey, and thanks Dan. [00:56:46] Speaker D: Have fun. [00:56:47] Speaker C: Thanks for calling Christmas, mate. Be safe. [00:56:49] Speaker D: Oh, pleasure. [00:56:49] Speaker C: Goodbye. [00:56:50] Speaker D: Go back to my edit. [00:56:50] Speaker A: Good luck with your. See you. [00:56:52] Speaker C: Bye. [00:56:53] Speaker A: Bye. [00:56:58] Speaker C: It's lovely, isn't it? [00:56:59] Speaker A: Isn't it good? [00:57:00] Speaker C: Gosh, we're lucky, aren't we? We've got such a beautiful community. Final bits of news. Sipa. Is that how you pronounce it, Brucey? Sipa, Cipa, whatever they are, reports an impressive spike in fixed lens camera sales. So you fix. So this is all Fuji X half. Obviously they're. Everyone's buying a Fuji X half because they're all so discounted because no one wants them. But yeah, fix. So we're talking about X1 hundreds. Ricoh, GRS, Lumix. Do a couple, don't they? [00:57:32] Speaker B: Does it. Does it count for the newer Kodak. [00:57:37] Speaker A: Oh, how do you pronounce the chamberer? [00:57:40] Speaker C: The chamber. [00:57:42] Speaker A: That's actually a fair point. Did they make 6 million of those and it is a fixed lens camera? [00:57:48] Speaker C: Maybe. Great. I didn't think Bruce. Yeah, good point. Actually. I thought there's a JP the other day they had them on the. On at the checkout. [00:57:56] Speaker A: So they're available. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:57:59] Speaker C: And she. The girl thinks that we ordered thousands of them and some people are coming in and buying like six because they want to collect them all because there's like, there's. And there's a. It's like a. What do they call it? Gashapon, you know, blind box. There's that energy behind blind box collecting which, you know, we're big fans of here at the. The Chromie household. But yeah, and there's a, there's a mystery one that apparently is a see through case like an old school 80s gaming retro controller that had C3 plastic. It's like that. [00:58:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah that is cool. [00:58:30] Speaker C: So there's, there's a. Yeah it's very tempting to grab one of those. I might, I will eventually because I like a challenge. [00:58:37] Speaker B: Yeah it could be fun like if anybody picks one up we should have like a shootout like of the different people. [00:58:43] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a great idea. [00:58:45] Speaker A: And then. Yeah, yeah that's a good idea. Maybe we should do something like that. [00:58:51] Speaker C: Oh Rick Nelson. [00:58:52] Speaker A: Yeah we can bought two, no mystery yet. Whoopsie. Sorry. Yeah Rick, you'll have to let us know what they're like but yeah, maybe we should buy a couple and have a little, little camera. Life camera, your images session. That'd be fun. [00:59:12] Speaker B: Light paint on it at all. [00:59:18] Speaker A: Of course he will, he'll work it. [00:59:20] Speaker C: Out, don't you worry. And that's it for the news I think, I think we've covered enough news for today. [00:59:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. 1 in 50 a see through Greg Carrick says 150 they just buy a. [00:59:33] Speaker B: Box because literally I think there'll probably be 100 in a box. Yeah. [00:59:39] Speaker A: From Santa. [00:59:39] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:59:40] Speaker A: Bring her one Greg. [00:59:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh that's Bruce's hemisphere. I'm northern Bruce. What have you been up to? [00:59:53] Speaker B: Lots and I don't know. [00:59:55] Speaker A: How's your, how's your year been? You've done a fair bit of travel. Is that more than normal? [01:00:00] Speaker B: Yeah, not as much as I did pre covered but it is definitely the most I've done since COVID New Zealand and Hawaii and all around the country. Already booked another job in Sydney already for February which is going to be interesting and quite like nidish. Quite ton of tissues for the fields. [01:00:30] Speaker A: Yeah okay. [01:00:30] Speaker B: It's gonna be an interesting one but no it's been a really busy year. Lots of different things. Lots of work with traditional owners and the aboriginal and community around the country and overseas. [01:00:47] Speaker C: So yeah, first nations kind of conference thing, wasn't it? [01:00:54] Speaker B: The one in Hawaii was. Yeah. So the main big project I've been on the last six months roughly roughly is. Is indigenous cultural safe care for indigenous elders suffering dementia for western practitioners basically for non indigenous practitioners. Yeah that's a bit of a mouthful. I don't know we haven't worked out a way of putting it in a nicer way yet but it's all elder led so working with elders from around the country and yeah so I've been going out on country and talking to them and filming them on country and stuff. That's the reason why a lot of travel's been involved because we didn't want to. [01:01:33] Speaker C: I know who should speak to. Yeah, sorry I cut you off. Terrible at that. You should speak to my partner Sasha because she, she's a lecture at Melbourne Uni and her. One of her main focuses and, and passion projects is First Nation cultural safety in the hospital system. [01:01:51] Speaker B: Yep. And this is where it's going to, towards. But it's. Yeah, for, for, for a lot of the, this is the catch that happens. Like a lot of research and, and materials made in healthcare are aimed at their community. Like trying to educate them to be better at looking after themselves and the community and stuff like that. There's not a lot going the other way which is about, you know, us whities or whatever understanding that they've got a very different culture to us. One of the things you'll find in healthcare is and particularly in teaching and that is client centered focus. Stuff like it's all about you as the individual being, having the autonomy and that to do your own healthcare and ask the questions and everything like that. But traditional owners are more of a collectivist society so you need to think about the, the whole of the community because it's not about the individual, it's about everybody in the family or the mob. And it's a very different way for a lot of people to think about, particularly doctors and stuff like that. So yeah, yeah, it's been interesting because I've obviously done interviews with lots of different elders from around the country and then we took that to America and we talked to people in the Hawaiian conference was dementia care for first nations people. But we had people from all different tribes and that from America and Canada and Pacific Islanders and Maori and stuff like that. So it was interesting seeing how common the themes were in a lot of spots and how different they were in different spots as well. And then here in Australia stuff that is done in like the. Here in Tasmania and like Victoria and stuff like that versus say the top end once again, very different. [01:03:48] Speaker C: Very different. [01:03:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, so, so it's been. So I'm in the middle of editing that at the minute so that's going to be like a bunch of podcasts and a, and a video and stuff. I filmed it all but the original intent is to be audio podcasts so people can listen to it on the move. So because people are busy that, that was the whole point of that. And then yeah, I've Got. I've got like. I don't use the camera. I've got like this much stuff and only need to produce this much. So there's a lot of scope to expand it later. It's a matter of pulling the right bits out for these. These bunch for the moment and then they may want to hopefully expand it further with. Because there's a lot of topics in there which will have to drop, unfortunately, because of the time constraints of what we need to produce. And then what I've got coming up, which literally just got a message about, and the reason why it's going to be a truckload of tissues, is I'm going to be working on childhood dementia, so next year. And that's not something that's fair. [01:04:56] Speaker A: Real heavy. [01:04:59] Speaker B: So, yeah, on top of everything else I do, that's only parts of it. The other cool thing I've done just to completely go to a different topic, is I'm working with an AI company who are in around the country. They're building a data center here in Launceston. [01:05:17] Speaker A: Really? [01:05:17] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [01:05:18] Speaker A: Big one. [01:05:19] Speaker B: A really, really big one because we have. We have hydroelectricity. So their company is all about renewables and not. And minimizing, you know, the power consumption and water wastage to the absolute smallest amount. So they're currently in Earthworks. They need to have it up in eight months. Evidently they've been here for five years just buying all the plots of land and stuff and they've got it to a point now that they're going alpha leather on it and. Yeah, so I started documenting that last week and it's going to go up real quick. [01:05:56] Speaker A: Really. [01:05:57] Speaker B: And it's Australian mob as well, but they're. They're based out of Singapore, but the guy who's the CEO and the main guys are running out from Australia. [01:06:05] Speaker C: Very cool. [01:06:06] Speaker A: So. So is it a. An additional data center to ones that they're already operating or is this like a new thing that they do? Okay, no, this is just another and another. [01:06:15] Speaker B: It's another one. I think they've got one in Singapore and a few other places, but this is going to be like their capstone, sort of. This is a fully green AI center. I actually don't know what they're using in there or anything like that. They can get talked to them about that. It was one of those phone calls I got was like, oh, we need to document this. We've got everybody coming over from all over the place for the Christmas party. We're going to do it here. Come along. We'll get some photos of that and the workers and we'll. And we'll go from there, so. [01:06:46] Speaker C: Wow. [01:06:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:47] Speaker B: That was fascinating. [01:06:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:49] Speaker A: Awesome. That's very cool project. [01:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:52] Speaker C: Such a diverse mix. [01:06:55] Speaker A: On the first project, Lucinda said that sounds incredible. That was the first nations dementia project, which does. I mean, it would be. It's obviously pretty involved, but I would imagine quite rewarding in certainly some aspects, seeing that stuff come to life and make a difference. [01:07:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:14] Speaker A: Greg Carrick says he's heard over 95% of Tassie's power is renewable. Is this true? [01:07:19] Speaker B: I think we're 100%. We've been for that forever. [01:07:22] Speaker C: Well, he's right. Yeah. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Well, I suppose we have the Basslink cable, which means we can pull power from the mainland through Victoria, but it's usually us servicing Victoria, so. Yeah, I suppose if we have a day we might pull some power, but I believe we. We only have hydro and wind farms at the moment. [01:07:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:44] Speaker B: We don't have coal, so. [01:07:46] Speaker C: Cool. Such an idyllic way to do it, isn't it? [01:07:49] Speaker A: How much of Tasmania's power is renewable? Tasmania generates approximately 100% of its electricity from renewable sources, primarily hydropower and wind, making it a leader in clean energy. The state achieved this milestone in 2020 when it closed everyone's powers off. No. And aims to double its renewable energy production to 200 of its current needs by 2040. [01:08:13] Speaker C: Yeah, because you can. You can buy Tassie Hydro Power here in Victoria. I don't know how it works, but. [01:08:20] Speaker B: It'S all because they do. [01:08:22] Speaker C: Oh, Bruce, where'd you go? [01:08:27] Speaker B: I'm still here, guys, but I just realized the battery in my. And my camera ran out. [01:08:32] Speaker C: Oh, no. [01:08:33] Speaker B: Into the mains. [01:08:35] Speaker C: Such a rookie mistake. [01:08:41] Speaker A: Power went out. [01:08:48] Speaker B: All right, I'm just gonna grab another battery. [01:08:51] Speaker A: That's what happens. We should use this opportunity to. We've been. I've been starting to do a little bit of planning for the podcast next year and still figuring out things, but I've been making some notes that we probably don't explain enough about what each show is that we do each week. In my Monday show, the random show, that's the show when you can literally ring the phone line like Dennis did before, and we'll pick it up and talk to you about anything photography related, potentially things that aren't photography related, depending on if it's interesting. So you can call us every night. Monday, 7.30pm Australian Eastern Daylight Savings Time, Melbourne time, whatever you want to call it. But then Thursday is when we Slow things down. And we bring on amazing photographers to really dive deep into their story and what makes them tick as a photographer or videographer, the work that they do. So two shows every week. This one and the interview show. The interview shows. These ones are obviously pretty current news and stuff like that. The interview shows you can go back a year and check out who we've interviewed a year ago, because these interviews will last a lifetime. So that's our archive. Dig into that and enjoy. Especially over the holidays, if you've got time to sit in the backyard and water the plants and listen to a podcast. Yeah, we have. Great. [01:10:08] Speaker C: Grab a beer. Whatever it takes, Whatever you need. [01:10:11] Speaker A: Depending on the time. [01:10:11] Speaker C: The perfect way to force yourself to unwind is just to stop and listen. [01:10:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Bruce, you're back. [01:10:19] Speaker B: I am. [01:10:21] Speaker A: It's good to see you. [01:10:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:23] Speaker B: See, I think that. I think the camera literally was listening to the conversation. [01:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Renewable energy. Hey, 100, you say? Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:10:34] Speaker C: That's funny. [01:10:35] Speaker B: The timing didn't blow enough hot air. [01:10:40] Speaker A: Anything else that you want to chat about before? [01:10:45] Speaker B: A bunch of work? [01:10:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I was going to say some creative stuff this year. Some of your creative photography's been. [01:10:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been interesting. Doing a lot more street shoots, which I enjoy, especially being in other spaces and other countries and stuff. [01:10:59] Speaker C: That was a great day. We shared, Alban, when you came down and we went for quite a long walk. Yeah, that wasn't for a flight. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. That was very cool. [01:11:10] Speaker B: Next year, kind of probably do some more or I will do some more. It's just a matter of timing for me and stuff. I. I want to experiment a bit more with mixed media, but it's always a hard one to. With timing and stuff for me. I did get a new toy which is going to make things a bit more interesting. It's been something on my list for ages, which. It's over in the back over there, but I won't go grab it. It's a slider for filmmaking, but it can do macro. So I can do. Was it one. It could be moved in 1 nanometer or something like micrometer or something increments. And you can program it. [01:11:56] Speaker C: And I think it was on your Instagram. There was a. There was a post about it, wasn't there? [01:12:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:12:02] Speaker C: One of your. One of your sites. [01:12:05] Speaker B: Yeah, On Instagram. So that was. That's been on my list for ages because I can use it for filmmaking, but because I've got all the like crazy macro stuff here. I Wanted to do focus stacking but I wanted to play with the idea of motion with it as well. So that's part of it. [01:12:21] Speaker C: That's very cool. [01:12:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So that was a Black Friday sale. I finally went, you know what? It's actually cheap enough to get it and it's in stock, which was a hard one because they don't have a lot of units around. [01:12:34] Speaker A: Pretty. Pretty niche piece of equipment, I would imagine. [01:12:39] Speaker B: Not for. Not for filmmakers, like to a certain level. I reckon Dennis would have something like this himself, like a motorized slider. I've got an old slider of use forever but it's all. You have to manually move it and stuff. This, you can actually set points and that. The nice thing about this one, which I haven't shown is it's the only one that it's by iFootage, which are a UK company. Obviously Stuff's all manufactured in China and I really like their stuff. They've got. They did a collaboration with dji so you can actually slot a Ronin gimbal onto it and you'll get five access control on it or all works together. So you can slide, you can rotate, you can up and down pan tilt, everything like that. And if you put the focus system on it as well, you can program it all together on your phone or in the actual straight on the thing. You don't actually need to use the phone app for most of it. [01:13:38] Speaker A: Wow. [01:13:38] Speaker B: Which is a big thing for me. I. I like. I have phone apps and that but if you're running like a timecode system, a lighting system, then your slider system and. Yeah, and then they deprecated. They don't update it because they brought. [01:13:52] Speaker A: Out a new model. It's a. Yeah, it's nice to know you can always do it on the unit. I. That when it's app required to be an app, it's. It's frustrates me. [01:14:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:14:02] Speaker C: It's always. It's always a red flag, isn't it? Yeah. [01:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah. It always sounds like a good idea when they first. Especially when they first come out. Oh, this is high tech and stuff like that. But yeah, if there's a manual control there, it's always going to be your fallback regardless. So it needs to be there. [01:14:22] Speaker C: Yep, yep. [01:14:24] Speaker A: It's. It's kind of like, you know, music systems and stuff. Now it's like you're starting to get into ones like Sonos systems and things like that where it's like if that. If that goes away. [01:14:35] Speaker B: Well, that's happened. [01:14:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:37] Speaker B: Sonos have deprecated earlier systems completely. Yeah. And that means that you've ended up with E Waste. [01:14:44] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:14:45] Speaker B: Google are really good at it too, with their. All their Home Nest systems and stuff. They deprecate them and they stop working. [01:14:53] Speaker A: Whereas when I was a teenager, I had all of my dad's old amps from like a long time ago just plugged into speakers and just all you need is RCA inputs and off you go. Like, it just, you know, it all just still worked. You might need an adapter or something, depending what you're plugging into it. But yeah, it's interesting anyway. [01:15:17] Speaker B: But yeah, lots of fun things. More printing and stuff. But yeah, I'll try and do some more behind the scenes stuff hopefully next year. [01:15:27] Speaker C: We look forward. Yeah, absolutely. [01:15:30] Speaker A: Did you, did you have anything you wanted to show us before we move on to the next subject or. [01:15:35] Speaker B: No, I literally, I just haven't had any time to make anything up. I can show that Photoshop thing later and the. Your photo segment if you want. [01:15:44] Speaker A: Okay, perfect. We appreciate you just being here. We know you're a busy man. [01:15:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I like Monday nights just hanging out. [01:15:53] Speaker A: Yeah, we do love it. It's a part of our routine. Okay, well, should we move on to my, my deep question of the week that I decided to do? I was just, you know, it's a reflective time of the year, so I wanted to be reflective and so I come up with this question. Where's my button? It's not a very reflective sound effect, but I was thinking about like the past year, 2025, and what, like the photography that I did and what I want to try and do next year. And I come up with this thought of like, what, what photography gave me this year that didn't actually have anything to do with the photos themselves? What, what did I get out of the practice of photography or videography or the, you know, the work that you do or creative projects, anything like that. Vision board time, Lucinda. That's what I was thinking and there's obviously there's some, there's some things that come to mind immediately. Like what, what did I get out of this photography thing this year that wasn't images, but I wanted to dig a little bit deeper. So I'll, I'll tell you what I come up with and then if you guys have any thoughts on maybe what you got out of photography this year, I'd love to hear it. And same with you in the chat. Throw it in the chat. If there's anything that you got out of photography this year that wasn't actually the photos I want to hear. [01:17:32] Speaker B: Yeah, call in. [01:17:34] Speaker A: Yeah, or call in. [01:17:35] Speaker C: Hey. [01:17:38] Speaker A: Number top righty screen, just above Bruce's head. [01:17:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:41] Speaker A: So I. The word that come up to. Yeah, there it is. The word that come into my mind straight away. Not straight away, actually, once I done some more digging was perspective. And I was like, why am I going around this word perspective? And I think it came to that. I actually need more and more the older I get. I actually need photography now to remember things more deeply. And that's never something that I really. I had this thing when I went on holidays. I wouldn't take photos of like the. I wouldn't go on efforts to take photos of these great locations and stuff that other people shot because I knew that unless you really dedicate yourself to that, your photos won't be as good as someone that's, you know, go on there every day to that beach or whatever and always photographs it and gets it in the perfect light and stuff. So I always had this thought of, like, what's the point if my photo is just gonna be more of a snapshot and theirs is, you know, a well crafted, executed photography trip from a landscape photographer in the area or something like that, kind of. And so I wouldn't take as many photos of day to day or travel or things like that. But then when I was scrolling back through what I've done this year, there were so many things that I'd forgotten I've done. And then not only that, I remembered way more deeply the people that I met and what I felt like on that day and what I was going through in my life around that time. From going through the photos that I've taken this year. And I realized how much I. I actually need to do more and more of it as I get older. I think because I'm not remembering those things as easily. That makes sense. [01:19:38] Speaker C: It does, Yeah. I think that's a. I think that's a beautiful way to look at it. Perspective is really important, you know, and it's like you say, why, why go and shoot the wanaka tree while you're in New Zealand? Because Brett Wood, Brett woods has done it so perfectly that, you know. [01:19:53] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:19:54] Speaker C: I can just buy a postcard. But it's not. It's not just about that. And this is probably what leads me to what I've discovered this year, is that that that's fine. Yes. Someone can take the photo. Thousands of people, millions of people have. But you, you know, they weren't there with you, when you had that experience, that the experience of going to that place was yours, and maybe you shared it with Yelena or with, you know, with your family if you were out somewhere else with them. And I think for me, a big part about this year. Sorry, have you finished with your bit? Because I don't want to hijack what you're saying. [01:20:26] Speaker A: No, absolutely. Your turn. [01:20:28] Speaker C: For me, that experience has been a real standout for me. I've become less obsessed with the final product and more interested in that experience. And I think for me, a wonderful example, which leads to some of the comments that are already flowing in about community. That's been one of the greatest experiences for me this year is my community has just blossomed through this podcast, but also through our greater involvement this year than last year with befop. And I think we didn't go to BEFOP looking for praise or feedback or. Or, you know, anything. We just went to have a great time and sell product and do our podcast and catch up with friends like Bruce and Dennis and all those wonderful people that we've met. But that experience was so great, you know? [01:21:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:21] Speaker C: And, yeah, I think you're right. I think those photos remind us of that. That experience, not just, oh, here's the end outcome. [01:21:29] Speaker A: Exactly. No, no. [01:21:30] Speaker C: Does that make sense? [01:21:31] Speaker A: It definitely does. Or community, obviously, that was. That was another thing that was immediately I started thinking about all the people that I've met this year that I just wouldn't have met otherwise, particularly around BEFOP and this podcast. But I sort of thought, I was like, oh, I probably. I don't know if I should use the podcast. But then. [01:21:50] Speaker C: Well, I think it's. It's why we're here. [01:21:53] Speaker A: I did, I did. I did want. That was one thing I wanted to bring up, was that. But then I was like, oh, that was not really my photography. To dig deeper. I was like, it's more the. More the podcast than the photography. But, man, yeah, it's. It's. [01:22:06] Speaker C: I think it's all connected. [01:22:07] Speaker A: It is all connected. You're right. [01:22:08] Speaker B: Well, you wouldn't have it without the photography. [01:22:11] Speaker C: So, yeah, you wouldn't be here talking about this. [01:22:13] Speaker B: You wouldn't be making straps. [01:22:16] Speaker A: That's true. So this is true. This is true. But yeah, it's been a game changer. The amount of people that we met, that how our networks expanded. [01:22:26] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, you're just such generous. Sorry, Bruce, you go. [01:22:30] Speaker B: I was gonna say, like, for, like, just bring it to the business. You went. I didn't know Lucky straps before the podcast and stuff. So. But yeah, you went from a business. No, but you went from a business who like was any other business to. Not that it's a personality based business. Near, far from that, but it has. You guys are visible where most businesses, e comm business particularly are just like nice creator photos and videos and that's it. [01:23:00] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. It's like you make a video if you need to do a product video or something, but you don't, you don't just. Yeah, And I always learn about that person. Yeah. And we, it's funny, we still don't like a lot of this stuff doesn't make it onto the lucky socials. We send it out with newsletters and stuff. But I need to do a better job of connecting those dots. But, but I also wanted this to be a standalone thing. I wanted it to be separate and have. No, no. Yeah. So people don't feel like they're, you know, they're just coming onto some businesses podcast. I wanted it to be its own, its own space. [01:23:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:34] Speaker C: We spend less than half a percent of our time talking about lucky straps, you know. [01:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:39] Speaker C: It's. [01:23:39] Speaker A: When you remember it was good. [01:23:41] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:23:41] Speaker B: But if you, if you just purely did the interview shows and not this Monday night random stuff, I think you would be falling into that a little bit hard. [01:23:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:51] Speaker B: Because that's what a lot of businesses do. Right. They will make a show up to promote their product but they'll wrap it with like chicken wings or something else. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's true. [01:24:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:03] Speaker C: There's got to be a hook. There's always got to be. [01:24:05] Speaker A: Yeah, sorry. [01:24:06] Speaker C: I do like hot ones. [01:24:08] Speaker A: It's kind of hot. [01:24:09] Speaker C: Yeah, me too. Clever. But you're right though, I think, you know, having. Having the Thursday morning shows, you know, we get a lot of views and not, not that we necessarily do it for that, but the, the Monday night shows are a far different experience to the Thursday morning interviews. You know, we get to just hang out with our mates, with our community, the people who we've had actual experiences with, whether it be a beef up or the BFOP day with Camera House's birthday or whatever it may be. You know, all that stuff kind of ties into what we're doing here or you know, most of the people in the chat we've met face to face. [01:24:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:44] Speaker C: You know, through photography, we've learned from these people, we've, we've supported these people, we've encouraged these people, we're showcasing their images. We, we set up a Phone number if you want to call and have a chat just call and have a chat. You know and I think that that's all about that experience. So yes we're. We have an experience going on here. Lucky Straps as a. As a product and a brand has character I think it's fair to say because of what we do here and you know obviously befop showed that to us as well but yeah, I don't know. [01:25:18] Speaker A: You got any thoughts Bruce on thing anything that this year that impacted you from either of like photography or workshops or anything that side of things? All your video work. [01:25:31] Speaker B: Like what you've already said with the community stuff like I got a double dose of that with well triple dose. Really beef up this and the New Zealand trip. Yeah with their professional awards and stuff. [01:25:46] Speaker A: Yeah that. [01:25:47] Speaker B: That one was crazy because I walked in knowing only a handful of people and I reckon I knew everybody by the end of it and it wasn't small. Yeah that was. That was really, really cool. And I've already booked tickets for next year like to go as a punter so I haven't bought nice plane tickets but I did a fun little promo for them because they asked. Asked us previous presenters to do a promo for those ticket sales and I had a bit of fun with that. [01:26:17] Speaker A: That's awesome. [01:26:18] Speaker B: So. So that was. Yeah workshops not as like beef up did really well. The ones here are a bit hit and miss. I still haven't worked that out but I'm. I don't put a lot of effort into it. I suppose that's the problem. I'm not. I'm so disjointed in the way I do things and work wise that the creative workshoppy stuff which I'd like to do more of is always at the behest of other things. So it always doesn't get. Promote it very well or anything like that. Always lots of good ideas. Execution is always a bit lacking. Not that the workshops don't come off well. I think they come off really well but I've had no complaints. But getting people in the door is a tricky one. [01:27:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:07] Speaker B: Doing more on the socials that was an outcome from New Zealand meeting Dawn Photography and them just going just do it. I don't know what about her and the way she presented it to me outside of everything just made me just go it let's go. But it's definitely made more things more interesting and less. [01:27:32] Speaker C: Yep. [01:27:33] Speaker B: Giving a about how it comes out. So that's. That's been fun writing more. I don't I've never been a writer, but trying to write stuff to my images. You see that on Instagram. [01:27:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:27:47] Speaker B: Like, not so much about why I took the picture, but the thick thought or feeling where it comes out when I look at the picture, when I've made it or as I've made it. Yep, that's been a bit of fun. [01:28:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:28:03] Speaker B: Just hanging out with everybody has been awesome. And meeting a lot of people. Connecting closer with Dennis, actually, I got to say that, because we've always had mutual thing going on, but we've definitely spent more time this year talking, which is. And I think that's part of this podcast, to be honest. I'm really grateful for that. It's good. Just makes. Because it's visible. Like you're visible to each other, even if it's just in text comments. [01:28:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Yep. [01:28:32] Speaker A: Definitely top of mind. Keeps you. Yep. Gotta remember, catch up with that person or. [01:28:37] Speaker C: Yeah, it's true. Because otherwise we just get into our own little worlds and family and responsibility and. And work and. And all of a sudden it's been three months since I spoke to someone, you know, I should message. [01:28:50] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's the same, like, happens to me all the time. Like, I'll. I'll forget we're just not top of mind. And I won't talk to somebody for two years. Oh, yeah, it's easy for me to do. When you had. You had Leon Lee Herbert, I. I rang him afterwards because I hadn't talked to him in, like a couple of years. [01:29:09] Speaker C: Yeah, same. Exactly the same. I hadn't. [01:29:13] Speaker B: I hadn't. [01:29:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Spoken to him for ages. And. And like you, I reached out to him afterwards and said, hey, man, we need to talk more, you know. [01:29:19] Speaker B: And then I got a job that I could. That. That needed somebody in Melbourne. I sent him. Sent it to Lee. It was. [01:29:26] Speaker C: That's. [01:29:26] Speaker B: That's. That's beautiful. [01:29:28] Speaker A: I love that. [01:29:29] Speaker C: I think the. For me. And like, we've seen in the chat, we've all said it. We've all said the word community. And I know we throw it around a lot here, but I think, you know, at times like this, and let's face it, the world's pretty dark at the moment. There's a handful of old white men ruining everything for everyone, and I feel like we need some women to take over just for a little while at least. But, you know, there's a lot of dark shit going on. And when we get involved in community, that stuff becomes less scary and heavy, you know, because you've got people that, like, you are just trying to get through the day. [01:30:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:08] Speaker C: I think we can reach out. We can connect and all that stuff. [01:30:11] Speaker A: Well, it reminds you as well that maybe the stuff that you see on social media or whatever is. It's. It's maybe further away than from everyday life, than what they feels like. Sometimes when you smash with. From every angle with, you know, all of that kind of information, then you sort of hang out with a few regular people and you're like, oh, yeah, life. [01:30:33] Speaker C: Yeah, this is. [01:30:34] Speaker A: This is life. It's not there. It's this. [01:30:36] Speaker C: Yeah. And you start talking about stuff, you know, like Bruce and I did a street walk, and we. We spent like four or five hours just hanging out, walking around town, just talking, getting to know one another, you know, and all that just fell away. All that dark stuff that sits at the periphery of our vision at the moment, it all just fell away because I got to hang out with a new mate and we, you know, we. [01:30:55] Speaker B: Switch stories to take a photo. [01:30:59] Speaker A: Exactly. It's a metaphor for life, really. [01:31:02] Speaker C: It is, yeah. [01:31:05] Speaker A: Laying garbage to create something beautiful. [01:31:07] Speaker C: Yeah. You'll be surprised. But, yeah, I think, you know, and I think that reinforces for me the absolute importance of what we've created, both individually, you know, like, or independently, I should say. We've all got our own networks, but also a lot of that stuff's come together through this and through beef up and, you know, so I think we're onto a good thing. [01:31:32] Speaker A: I think we are. And it's all thanks to you. Chat. Thanks. The chat. The chat keeps the place alive. Without the joke, this podcast wouldn't exist because I would feel weird. Should we look at some images? [01:31:48] Speaker C: Yeah, let's get on to that. Let's do it. [01:31:51] Speaker B: All right. [01:31:53] Speaker C: Oh, let me just grab a couple of comments quickly while you're scooting through that. Lisa Leach says, new friends. So we're talking about what, what, what, what? 2025 community from. Who was that, Felicity? Greg Carrick. Dr. Castle's psychiatric session. Yes, it was. Lucinda discovered freedom. That's beautiful. [01:32:17] Speaker A: I like that one. [01:32:19] Speaker C: Felicity found solitude. Lisa. Opportunities. That's enough, Lisa. I think you've said enough. Come on. Just hogging the show now. Brett Wooderson. This is very deep, Justin. What I got out of my photography this year is community. There it is again. I do car photography, and the people have changed. [01:32:37] Speaker B: How? I think that's just an eye. It's just a. Yeah, I do see. [01:32:42] Speaker C: Things and how I love photography. That's beautiful. [01:32:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:32:46] Speaker C: From Dennis. I try and make the image the least important part of the process. Mindfulness, focus, connection with land. You have hit the nail on the head, Justin. Rick Nelson. Check out his podcast for me. Photography gives me escape and guidance. The full yin yang effect of what I want to do with my life and the ability to keep my mental health in check. Very well said. [01:33:08] Speaker A: Love it. [01:33:09] Speaker C: And then again, community is great. It's incredible the places you will go and the people you will meet by picking up a camera. Very true, Dan. [01:33:16] Speaker A: Great. [01:33:16] Speaker C: New friends. Tintype man's in. Hey, guys. [01:33:20] Speaker A: Sorry, mate, you got to go back. [01:33:21] Speaker C: And catch up now. [01:33:23] Speaker A: Not yet. [01:33:23] Speaker C: Oh, on that we've been. We've been chatting and I'm gonna head down to. To his space, I think in Phillip Island. I think he said earlier in the new year and he wants to. He wants to take my portrait with his big fancy old camera. [01:33:38] Speaker A: Maybe I should drive down and film the process. [01:33:40] Speaker C: Or you can give me a lift. Oh, that's perfect. [01:33:45] Speaker B: Those lights are going to be bright. [01:33:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:33:48] Speaker A: No, I'm not going through the city in school holidays, Greg. No way. [01:33:53] Speaker C: Oh, come on, man. [01:33:54] Speaker A: On your own. [01:33:55] Speaker C: I'll meet you. [01:33:56] Speaker A: Yeah, if you get public transport out into the outers, I'll. I'll pick you up somewhere there in this. [01:34:00] Speaker C: I'll go down to like. What's that? What's that? Far out eastern suburb. [01:34:03] Speaker B: Baronia. [01:34:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll grab you in Baronia. [01:34:07] Speaker C: All right, cool. I'll get a train there. Lucinda wisely says, use Code Greg. Lisa says, bruce, your writing is beautiful. Love it. [01:34:16] Speaker B: Thanks. [01:34:18] Speaker C: And another nice little message here from. Gosh, Rick Nelson's being very prolific tonight. Yes, Code Greg worked out great for me last week. Picked up a wrist strap for a little easier macro. Photography in nature. I love my wrist strap for macro. Very, very smart. Yeah. [01:34:38] Speaker A: Very cool. Tony found his car keys. I don't know what that's. [01:34:42] Speaker B: Congrats. [01:34:43] Speaker A: It's good to hear, Tony. [01:34:44] Speaker C: Well done, Tony. Same day for you, mate. Sit down for a bit. [01:34:49] Speaker A: All right, we'll bring up some photos. I'm gonna remove that. Get rid of that. Who should I start with this week? [01:34:59] Speaker C: Let's look at Crackers. Crackers. Carrot. [01:35:02] Speaker A: Okay. [01:35:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:35:02] Speaker A: Okay. Let's start there. [01:35:05] Speaker C: I love these images. [01:35:08] Speaker A: Let's start there. This will be hard cause I always go in alphabetical order. So I don't miss anyone. Sorry, but. No, no, this is good. Cause I want to mix it up, but I just got to be really careful that I don't miss anyone. All right, here we go. Let me see If I can find his. The words. [01:35:24] Speaker B: This is the adapted 100 year old. [01:35:28] Speaker C: Lens on his GFX. Yep. [01:35:31] Speaker B: I've got one of those sitting here actually. Not the adapted, but I have the lens. It's up on my wall. [01:35:37] Speaker A: No, no. Where is, where is Craig's email? I mean, Greg Carrick. All taken on Mount Dandy Dong in the fog. Fujifilm GFX50R with a lens from my 100-year-old Kodak Bellows camera. If you want the vintage look, use a vintage lens. [01:35:57] Speaker C: Yeah, I love it. [01:35:59] Speaker A: See what else we've got. This was a full sunny day. That's how vintage this lens was. It's just a bit bright. Sunny, sunny day. Oh, look at that. [01:36:13] Speaker B: This is my nan's. I've actually run film through. Don't, don't, don't do very good. It's very dreamlike like that. [01:36:23] Speaker A: It's very dreamlike but it has no holes in it. [01:36:27] Speaker B: Like it's actually like light sealed. So it's awesome. [01:36:33] Speaker A: It's creepy with the people milling around in the. In some of the shots. Yeah, it's certainly got that feel. Oh, and this is the. This is the image he sent through of the camera itself. Whoa. [01:36:47] Speaker C: Look at that. [01:36:48] Speaker B: Yeah. If you watch his YouTube video, it's like you. Yeah, he's got it so you can change the aperture as well. [01:36:55] Speaker C: And that's crazy. [01:36:58] Speaker B: And it's got a helicoid on it as well, so you can focus it. [01:37:04] Speaker A: It's the tin tight man. Says those cameras, the original Point and Prey machines. [01:37:11] Speaker B: They'Re so cool. [01:37:12] Speaker A: Haunting. They're so cool. Hang on. [01:37:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:37:15] Speaker A: I can't make you bigger, can I? I can make you bigger. Show us again. Show us that thing. [01:37:20] Speaker B: That's what Fuji need to do. [01:37:22] Speaker A: Oh, digital one of those. [01:37:24] Speaker B: Digital one of these where it folds all the way down. [01:37:27] Speaker A: Oh, people would love it. Unless it had. [01:37:30] Speaker C: Well, Fuji loves a gimmick. [01:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Unless it had a slow lens and a small sensor, in which case no one will love it. [01:37:36] Speaker B: I can't even remember how to close it. It's been a while. It's been on my shelf for a while. That's where I gotta undo that and that. So they actually close up into a. [01:37:46] Speaker C: Yeah, that's so cool. [01:37:47] Speaker A: Pocket. [01:37:49] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:37:50] Speaker A: Every day. [01:37:50] Speaker C: Original point and shoot. [01:37:53] Speaker B: So I think I worked it out. It's like it's 80 years old or something. I don't know. [01:37:59] Speaker A: Oh, look at it. It still just does that thing. [01:38:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:38:02] Speaker A: What a great mechanism. [01:38:05] Speaker B: Very cool. [01:38:06] Speaker C: Who's next? [01:38:08] Speaker A: We'll just First, Philip Johnson says, nice. Very pictorialist. Pictorialist. What does that mean? Pictorialist? That's out of my vocabulary. That's a style. Yeah, I'll have to look that up tomorrow. Okay, let's get me back here. And let's go to the one and only David Leporati. And he says, hi, Justin, I thought you might like some more photos shot on film. Always images one to four. Commercial airline images. The color negatives are deteriorating. [01:38:47] Speaker D: Right. [01:38:50] Speaker A: Look at that. Malaysian Airlines system. Yeah. Wow, they're old. [01:38:55] Speaker B: Jesus, that'd be loud sitting there. Let's take 747. [01:38:59] Speaker C: Big old Qantas. Gosh, they used to fascinate me as a kid. Yeah, the big airport west. So the. The planes not from Essendon Airport, but from. Well, it used to be Tullamarine Airport. They'd fly over our place depending on which way the wind was going. And I just used to sit there in the backyard and just watch these planes come over me. It was so cool. Beautiful images. [01:39:21] Speaker A: Yeah, very cool. All right, image images 5 and 6, BTS 4x5 film. [01:39:30] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [01:39:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, that's cool. [01:39:35] Speaker A: Gosh, look at that. [01:39:38] Speaker B: So you have to pull the dark slide and do all the. All the bits to do that. That's sweet. [01:39:45] Speaker C: That's very cool. [01:39:49] Speaker A: He goes on to say the RAAF photography training involved learning how to shoot everything with a 4x5 film camera. To get it right. In camera images 7 and 8, the dentist was taken in 82 or 83. How good is that? [01:40:12] Speaker C: What? I don't understand how. [01:40:17] Speaker B: Must be a model. The green. [01:40:25] Speaker A: Yeah, this one's great. [01:40:26] Speaker C: Yeah, this is going to cost you a lot of money. [01:40:30] Speaker A: So, image nine, behind the scenes of the dentist. Plasticine used for tongue and cheeks. [01:40:38] Speaker C: Oh, look at him on the ground. [01:40:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:40:42] Speaker C: That'S amazing. Craig Carrick says we've got a probe lens from the other end. Early colonoscopy gone wrong. [01:40:54] Speaker A: I've got an idea for a shot. Just trust me, this will be. It'll be good. [01:40:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Now, now smile. [01:41:01] Speaker B: No, no, no, don't grimace. [01:41:03] Speaker C: Smile, smile. Yeah, that's so clever. [01:41:07] Speaker A: Yeah, let's. Let's just. Yeah, that. [01:41:09] Speaker C: How. That one there. [01:41:10] Speaker A: Yeah. How good is that? [01:41:13] Speaker B: Seriously, if you did a modern version of that, I reckon it would win awards. [01:41:19] Speaker A: Yeah, like, just answer that. [01:41:21] Speaker B: Such a unique angle. [01:41:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:41:24] Speaker B: Oh, that. [01:41:25] Speaker C: Just having had a cheap called two weeks ago. Let's move on. [01:41:28] Speaker A: You didn't need this. No, I don't think that's David. [01:41:32] Speaker C: Oh, also, while we're talking about David, David shot me an email through via Justin with some advice on. On a Fuji lens that I'm looking at that I've borrowed from Fujifilm. And he sent through some sample images and some advice. So wonderful. And thank you. Really appreciate it. [01:41:51] Speaker A: You're a good dude, David. We appreciate it. [01:41:54] Speaker B: I'm wondering what David's going to put in for. For the year because as far as I can tell, everything is a. A bit outside the time frame. [01:42:04] Speaker A: I don't know. I reckon he will have some stuff that he's been working on. [01:42:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:08] Speaker A: Infrared macro. I don't know. [01:42:13] Speaker B: I keep forgetting about those because we always get excited by the playing photos. [01:42:18] Speaker C: They're so compelling. They're just amazing. [01:42:23] Speaker A: Okay, so let's go to. Oh, he finishes off the email by saying the camera is just a tool. It's not the most important thing, it's how you use it that matters. Arnold Newman quote. All right, and while I'm in the Ds because this will be easier, I'm going to go to our other David, David Mascara. And what does he say this week? [01:42:50] Speaker C: Where is it? [01:42:54] Speaker A: Let me just check this one. Sorry, multiple emails. Where are we? Can't get it. Okay, I'm here. There we go. All right, David Mascara. So here are more street portraits, all done on HB5 with the F2 as F3 and the 1957 SP rangefinder. Although he did correct that. I think this one photo, the man with the Hat, was actually shot on his Nikon ZF and he only realized after he sent the first email. So the rest of them are shot on film and I'm gonna just go through them while I read the rest of his email. Last week when you asked if I had any advice on approaching people, I wanted to say more, but I didn't want to hold you guys up. If you approach, approach with honesty and respect and just be kind. Say hi even if you don't take a photo. Also, if they agreed to be photographed, don't pose them. I move them to have the best lighting angle I can get. Also, I've told them that I might photograph them as we talk. And that's why some of these photos don't look staged. I hope that makes sense. You guys have a great show and happy holidays to you all. Tell Greg I once had a Fuji 6 IV something and I'll show a few portraits I did with that someday. Sold it. Oh, maybe an X X100. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sold it and bought the 6 and gave it to my daughter after buying the ZF. Cool camera, but kind of Felt like a toy compared to the zf. Take care, guys. [01:44:47] Speaker C: Whatever. [01:44:48] Speaker A: Oh, look at that. [01:44:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:44:52] Speaker A: That's epic. [01:44:54] Speaker C: Yep. [01:44:54] Speaker B: That's so cool. [01:45:00] Speaker A: I think that is all of them. Yeah. What a set. [01:45:05] Speaker C: Wonderful. [01:45:08] Speaker A: I love black. [01:45:09] Speaker B: The best thing about it, like, apart from the people, is you've got enough information around them to give you a little bit of context, clues of where they are. That's something which a lot of beginning and. And some intermediate photographers forget that once you get over the shallow depth of field, actually having background is useful and good. [01:45:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that's not. That's not fully blown out. You wouldn't. Yeah, it's. It's like. It's. It's actually. Yeah. Deep. [01:45:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I wouldn't know where that is or anything like that, but you could potentially work it out. But it also, like, if you go to the cowboyish one, like, it was the first one. Yeah. It's a straight scene. It's a nice single point perspective. There's writing there. I. I can't see it. That I'm not that close to my screen to be able to read anything like that. But it's. You know, he's kind of anachronistic to the space a little bit, but also not because. Yeah, yeah. So it's. It's. Yeah. They're the sort of things which make street photography more interesting than trying to just make everything just isolated sometimes. [01:46:27] Speaker C: Yep. [01:46:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:30] Speaker C: Yep. [01:46:31] Speaker A: Great images, David. Wonderful, wonderful. Wonderful work, as always. All right. Yeah, I. I also agree with this. The guy with the beard and long hair stands out for me. Yeah, that's. He's. That's a. It's a movie character. It's a. You know, it's a. Yeah, go back to it. [01:46:50] Speaker B: Like, he's got. He's got part of it cut, but he's still got hair long underneath. Yeah, it's like he's only taken the. I can actually demonstrate this. [01:47:00] Speaker C: He's like. [01:47:01] Speaker B: He's taken. [01:47:02] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, Bruce. He's got a. I think that's. Is that a. A mask? Is that a Covid mask under the chin? Is that what I'm seeing? [01:47:10] Speaker C: Oh, maybe. [01:47:11] Speaker B: Oh, man. [01:47:11] Speaker A: Like, that's tuck. [01:47:13] Speaker C: Yeah, it is. [01:47:14] Speaker A: It's tucking it up. [01:47:16] Speaker C: There's the elastic on the. On the very left. [01:47:18] Speaker A: Did you think you'd seen the first ever chin mullet? It's, like, short. That's the way I'm putting it. [01:47:26] Speaker C: That was like a whole style happening there. [01:47:28] Speaker B: But, no, you're right, it's the mask. [01:47:30] Speaker A: Yeah, it did, but I Didn't realize that at the start, and that that is what makes it actually quite, like, different. It's. Yeah, you don't. Yeah. [01:47:39] Speaker B: Wow. Dude's like. Like, if that mask was in there and he actually had the full hair and the thing, it's like a really dapper cousin. It. [01:47:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:47:51] Speaker C: Not to insult this guy. [01:47:52] Speaker A: He looks awesome. Yeah, it's funny. So Dennis is saying, get David on as a guest. And the first thing that goes to my head is which David. And then the next thing that goes in my head is both of them. And I have mentioned it. Yeah. I think we would. We would like to have both David's honors guests. We'll see. See what we can do. Okay, let's go to. Where is she? Felicity Johnson. She's here somewhere. There she is. I got to make sure, because people are sending in images for this week and images for the competition. All right, Felicity Johnson. Nice. Rocky crossing in gong on a foggy morning. And then. Which is. [01:48:48] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:48:51] Speaker A: Yeah. The fog's what's make. What makes it. Isn't it like the background sort of. [01:48:56] Speaker C: Just softens it a bit? [01:48:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But the. The main subject, the tree, is so defined. [01:49:04] Speaker C: And I've always struggled to photograph trees properly. [01:49:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:08] Speaker C: You know, it's just that whole composition, like, you know, do I stand back and get the whole thing? [01:49:13] Speaker A: Do I. I. I've often thought about. I don't even want to say this with Dennis in the chat. I've often. Because. Because he might encourage me to do it and then I might do it, which is scary. But we go up to the Murray River a lot. I've. I've done most of the Murray at various times as links on trips and stuff like that. [01:49:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:49:34] Speaker A: And the trees and. And stumps and things that you see along the Murray. I've often thought about light painting them and. And trying to do something like that, but it's never gone. It's never even gone to me trying it once. You know, like, it's always just an idea. And I'll stare at the tree for a while and imagine what the photo could look like. And I've never taken the step to actually just giving it a go, which is crazy. [01:49:58] Speaker B: I have a similar project in my head I've had for years, and it came to me again on the weekend driving down the Midlands. So there's a Midlands highway goes from, like, Launceston down to Hobart, and it's the main thoroughfare down through the state. And it's lots and lots of farmland. There's all these hills in the background with dead trees or live trees and stuff like that. And in the morning, like in the morning light or the evening light, it's awesome. A lot of people find the drive boring. I don't think it's that boring. I've wanted to just go down, like, spend, like, week just going up and down the highway at that time of day and get photos of that space. [01:50:39] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a great idea. [01:50:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:50:46] Speaker A: All right, next Felicity Johnson image is out with my DJI mini 4 drone enjoying the colors of a salt farm in Kerrang. [01:50:56] Speaker B: Nice. [01:50:56] Speaker C: Gosh. [01:50:58] Speaker B: Salt farms are always good. That entailing tailing dams are always amazing. [01:51:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Colors and. [01:51:05] Speaker B: Yeah, and toxic chemicals. [01:51:07] Speaker A: Toxic chemicals, but from a distance, quite beautiful. And finally saw fly larvae or Spitfires in defensive mode. [01:51:21] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:51:22] Speaker C: Isn't that phenomenal? [01:51:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:51:25] Speaker C: She's got such an eye for macro. [01:51:27] Speaker A: She does. [01:51:28] Speaker C: I mean, she's got an eye for everything. Doesn't matter. I mean, she. On. On her socials, I think it was yesterday or today. She was holding up a print of a train. Was it a train? Steam train. Anyway, yeah. Try an image that she sold yesterday. It was of a black and white photo of a steam train in front of silos. And it's just absolutely gorgeous. It could have been taken 100 years ago. And, yeah, someone ordered that print from her, which is wonderful. Really cool. [01:52:00] Speaker B: Unfortunately, you know what this makes me think of? [01:52:03] Speaker A: Which is what? [01:52:04] Speaker B: A very Tasmanian thing. It makes me think of Mona. The Museum of Old and New. [01:52:10] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:52:11] Speaker B: David Walsh tends to do these things. As for in the restaurant. [01:52:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. No, thanks. No, thanks. [01:52:22] Speaker C: Amazing image. Well done, Felicity. [01:52:25] Speaker A: Yeah, stunning. Oh, and I don't know if. If we read Rick Nelson's comment here about the tree. [01:52:36] Speaker C: Yeah, it's got that reach. [01:52:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, it's like it's coming into the. Like. Yeah. [01:52:41] Speaker B: Back for you. [01:52:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. Great images. [01:52:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:49] Speaker A: All right, let's go to Rick Nelson. Where are you, Rick Nelson? You're here somewhere. There you are. All right. I was coming home Friday carrying groceries and spotted this fuzzy caterpillar in my front garden. I rushed inside and grabbed my camera and not having a professional macro flash diffuser like Greg, I grabbed a torch instead to light this guy. Spent some time chasing this poor caterpillar around the plant, blinding him with a torch. He was not harmed and was gone by the morning. [01:53:29] Speaker C: Yeah, awesome. [01:53:30] Speaker A: Great work. Great work. Not worrying about whether you've got the. The professional macro flash. Just getting it done. [01:53:37] Speaker C: Just making it work. [01:53:38] Speaker A: Oh, look at Those hairs, are they his? [01:53:43] Speaker B: Yep. [01:53:45] Speaker A: Why do they have hair? [01:53:48] Speaker C: Scarified. [01:53:50] Speaker B: Why don't you have hair? Is always the question. [01:53:55] Speaker A: That's great. [01:53:57] Speaker C: Please. [01:54:00] Speaker A: I walked into that one, but. Yeah. What would they do with that hair? [01:54:05] Speaker C: Well, it doesn't matter, does it? [01:54:06] Speaker B: Because they're going to turn into a. [01:54:07] Speaker C: Moth or a butterfly. You know, it's a passing fashion. [01:54:13] Speaker A: Great, great. [01:54:14] Speaker B: One of these Greg Carrick says probably poisonous. [01:54:17] Speaker A: Oh, poisonous. [01:54:21] Speaker C: I just feel weird. [01:54:22] Speaker A: It's little feet hanging onto the venomous teeth. [01:54:24] Speaker B: Yeah, very cool. [01:54:27] Speaker A: Yeah, very cool. Macro is fun. [01:54:29] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:54:31] Speaker A: The whole world. Okay, good work, Rick. Good job. Does that mean you're getting a flash or you're just thinking about it or. [01:54:43] Speaker B: Santa coming. [01:54:44] Speaker A: Santa. [01:54:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:54:46] Speaker C: I think you've earned it. I think you've earned it, mate. 21 episodes of a podcast that is. Buy yourself a nice flash diffuser. [01:54:56] Speaker A: All right, Lisa Leach says here's a couple of images for the podcast this evening, if you get time. Well, we did. [01:55:05] Speaker C: We did. [01:55:07] Speaker A: Merry Christmas. And this is historic refuge hut, Alpine region. Great composition. [01:55:15] Speaker C: Yeah. Seeing it from the trees. [01:55:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:55:19] Speaker C: And I love the way that she's stood in a position where, you know, the. There's only like 5% of. Of the sky in the frame. You know, the sky's there, but the way that the trees feel the frame so much, and there's such a heavy. Especially those ones on the. On the front right foreground, there's such a heavy presence that it's almost like it's just blocking out the sky. It's lovely. [01:55:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, Love it. [01:55:45] Speaker B: It's very cool. [01:55:47] Speaker A: And then this one, a lone crow amongst seagulls. [01:55:58] Speaker B: Huh. Very cool. [01:56:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it's right in the middle there. Wonder what it's doing. Feeling outnumbered. [01:56:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:56:10] Speaker A: I like the. It's kind of got like an S swirl going through it. [01:56:14] Speaker C: Yeah. That breaks the frame in half, but it does it gently. [01:56:17] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's. It's both the water and the birds that are kind of doing it. Like, they've got almost, like opposing swirling shapes between the two. Of the water and the bird. Yeah, the bird shape. [01:56:29] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:56:31] Speaker C: Yep. [01:56:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it is a really. Rick Nelson. I should have just said this. Wow, that's a cool pattern. That's what I meant. I tried to explain it, but that's a better way to sum it up. That's a cool pattern. Yeah. Great work. [01:56:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:56:50] Speaker A: And I think that is it. Have I missed anyone's photos? I've got one of mine. This was just an example. I think I've had This on the show before, at another point. But this was an example of what I was talking about before. Before when I was remembering things. Hang on, why won't that. There we go. This is from my trip to New Zealand. And I can remember exactly what it. Exactly like. Everything felt like. How cold the air was while I was breathing it in, how the snow was starting to get wet on my shoulders as it was, like, falling. Every. Every part of this image reminds me of what it was like to stand on that road. [01:57:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:57:27] Speaker A: And grab this shot before we hustle back into the camper, to keep on driving. So I need to do more of that. [01:57:37] Speaker C: And it's a great composition, too. [01:57:40] Speaker A: Thanks. [01:57:41] Speaker C: You know, there's. There's. There's a sense of journey, of travel, of what's. What's ahead kind of thing, you know? It's lovely. I like one's perspective. Yeah, it's really. [01:57:53] Speaker B: Well. [01:57:56] Speaker C: Got the trees on the left, you've got the power poles on the right, you've got all these leading lines. Yeah, it's lovely. Lisa says it's lovely and I agree. [01:58:04] Speaker A: Thanks, guys. [01:58:06] Speaker C: Really lovely. [01:58:08] Speaker A: Did you want to pull your one up, Bruce? [01:58:10] Speaker B: Yeah, give me a sec. I've got to work this out again. Hit the right button. That'll help. Screen share. Do that. I know. Technology. [01:58:32] Speaker C: Anytime you're ready, Bruce. [01:58:33] Speaker A: Paul says one day I'll be game enough to send an image in. Just send one in. [01:58:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:58:37] Speaker A: Come on, mate. [01:58:38] Speaker C: What are you doing? [01:58:38] Speaker A: It's all. It's all love here. [01:58:40] Speaker C: It's safe. Safe space. [01:58:43] Speaker B: This was literally me editing before as well, before we went on live. So this is alive. This is not a completed image. [01:58:52] Speaker A: And this is mid process. [01:58:54] Speaker B: Mid process. Just playing. [01:58:56] Speaker A: Just playing. [01:58:58] Speaker C: What app is this in? What software? [01:59:01] Speaker B: As it says up in the top here, it says Photoshop 24. [01:59:03] Speaker C: Well, I can't see it because there's a timestamp in the way. [01:59:06] Speaker A: This is Photoshop 2003, 2024 DVR version. [01:59:12] Speaker B: I do have a new. I do have the latest version, but this is the one that's on my desktop at the minute. So. [01:59:17] Speaker C: Yep. [01:59:18] Speaker B: I'm just playing. [01:59:20] Speaker A: So that's. [01:59:22] Speaker B: Yeah, this is. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think you're talking about computer. [01:59:29] Speaker A: So you're using an Apple or a PC. No. [01:59:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:32] Speaker A: So. [01:59:35] Speaker B: It'S not. It's not a great image. It's a little blurry, I've just realized before. But. Yeah. [01:59:42] Speaker A: And so when you. This was from one of your workshops. Did you say one of your studios? [01:59:48] Speaker B: I didn't do this in workshop. Did this before the workshop. But. [01:59:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:59:50] Speaker A: Okay. But on. On the same. [01:59:52] Speaker B: Yeah, this was more about playing with like really small pinpoint light with only minimal toning through the rest of the image and stuff. So you can see it's pretty hard light through it. And that's. Yeah, I've got lots of images. This is just the first one I pulled up while we're waiting. Waiting to go live. [02:00:13] Speaker A: So what did you create the pinpoint light source with? [02:00:18] Speaker B: Gobo projector. So I actually could show you that. [02:00:22] Speaker C: It's just over there. [02:00:24] Speaker B: If you want, I can bring it out. [02:00:26] Speaker A: Is that the. The ones. Is it. Does it go on? Is it a Bowens mount thing? Like what? [02:00:31] Speaker B: Yeah, this one? This. Yeah, that goes on a Bowens mount. [02:00:34] Speaker A: Okay. [02:00:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Some people who. Anybody went to my workshop at BFOP with a crazy portrait, saw it. [02:00:43] Speaker A: Okay. [02:00:44] Speaker B: Yeah. You. There's different ones for different. You. There are an optic you put in front of your strobe or your constant light, but you've got to get the right one for your light that you're putting it on because the optics are usually made specifically for whatever you're using to get the best out of them. And anyway, yeah, so. [02:01:09] Speaker A: So my. So, so my aperture. I'll grab 300 storms or whatever. Yeah, they're a Bowens mount. They're a chip continuous LED light, a video light. And my new strobes, my. What are they? What? Brandish Godox 600 watt strobes are also a Bowens mount. But I'm guessing what Bruce is saying is you wouldn't. You could probably mount it to both of those, but it wouldn't be, you know, if it works for one of them, it wouldn't be ideal for the other one. [02:01:44] Speaker B: You could probably mount the strobe one onto your constant light, but you wouldn't be able to do it the other way because of the width. Because this flash bulb on the Godox is quite wide and chunky. [02:01:57] Speaker A: It is, yeah. It's huge. [02:01:59] Speaker B: So. So this is the aperture 1 or Amaran 1. So you put. Yeah, you see, it's got the Bowens mount. So you plug it in, it's got an optic in it and then it has a lens which you've used to focus. [02:02:16] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [02:02:16] Speaker B: That's just a lens. [02:02:19] Speaker A: And then Greg Carrick could mount that on a gfx. [02:02:27] Speaker B: Can you see? You've got. You've got. [02:02:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. [02:02:32] Speaker B: So you can focus it or unfocus it and then you can put in gobos. So. So I Break it up a bit. [02:02:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [02:02:45] Speaker B: So go between. Or Gobo or Cookie, as I call it. And you can put Nyrus in it as well. [02:02:53] Speaker C: Oh, nice. [02:02:54] Speaker B: So that, that. So that one's there for the 300C and 150C Amarans. So that's for a constant light. Whereas. This is the Godox one for their 400 and 600. [02:03:13] Speaker A: Right. [02:03:14] Speaker B: Size difference on it. And this doesn't have the str. This doesn't have the lens. This one doesn't have the lens on it yet. [02:03:23] Speaker C: Right. [02:03:23] Speaker A: So it's much bigger unit. [02:03:26] Speaker B: So. And you can switch the lenses on the Amaran one as well. I've got the other lens, so that just gives you how narrow or wide the beam is. It comes out of it. But here you go. This is with their default one. So you've got the lenses on the Godox ones are awesome. They're really chunky, but there you go. And then you've got your stripe here. So strobe. It gets very long. So. Yeah. [02:03:55] Speaker A: Nice. [02:03:56] Speaker B: So I use. I use these all the time, actually. Literally got a second one of these today in the mail. [02:04:02] Speaker C: So. Nice. [02:04:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:04:05] Speaker A: Merry Christmas. [02:04:06] Speaker C: Merry Christmas, Brucey. [02:04:07] Speaker B: Merry Christmas. [02:04:11] Speaker A: Quick question on your image from Rick Nelson. Was this also a play on Eve with the apple? [02:04:20] Speaker B: I actually brought a bunch of objects. I just. That was. I've got other things as well. It was just one of those ones. I just thought it was easy because I didn't know what I wanted to do with that. I wanted to just play. There was no intention in the images beyond just trying a technique out the apple. I think I've got a. I've got a lily as well and a pair and a few other things. So it was just more how easy it is to work in a very precise, small amount of light with the body and stuff like that. So. Yeah, I don't know if I'd use it, do anything with it. I was just having a play because we're waiting around. Yeah. And I haven't had play with anything a few weeks. So. [02:05:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:05:02] Speaker B: This is the first one I saw. [02:05:04] Speaker A: Very cool. [02:05:05] Speaker C: Very cool, Very cool. [02:05:06] Speaker A: Thanks. [02:05:07] Speaker C: Little behind the scene. Look at. At magic being made, I think. [02:05:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:05:13] Speaker A: And if you're looking. [02:05:14] Speaker B: If you're looking down at the layers, it's just all basically masks and curves and stuff down here. So you've just got. I've got a couple of spots I've removed out of it. I've got this just to fix the highlight on that corner and then it's just. Just Toning black and white. Yeah, it's. Yeah, I've done next to no manipulation. I started playing with the. The lines on the hand before, so it's just a technique I do sometimes. [02:05:47] Speaker C: Very cool. [02:05:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:05:50] Speaker A: Beautiful tin type man. Want to know what those. So those gobos are called. I assume he means like, what the brand or like. Or. [02:05:59] Speaker B: Yeah, called an optical spot or optical spot or snoot. So they're not. They're different to a standard snoot, which has no optics in it. So an optical spot is what they are. So, yeah, you can get Westcott ones, which are a bit more generic and a lot more expensive. Godox didn't have one for their bigger lights for a long time, and they've got. They've got cheaper ones for smaller lights. They're a bit. This one is actually pretty damn awesome. [02:06:28] Speaker C: Very cool. [02:06:30] Speaker A: Cool. [02:06:31] Speaker C: The things you learn. [02:06:32] Speaker A: The things you learn on this podcast. Camera Life podcast. Should we wrap it up there? [02:06:39] Speaker C: I think we should wrap it up there. [02:06:40] Speaker A: Any. [02:06:41] Speaker C: Any final words? [02:06:43] Speaker A: Well, just don't forget. Yeah, go, Bruce. [02:06:47] Speaker B: Humbug. [02:06:50] Speaker A: Nice. [02:06:50] Speaker C: Nice. Justin, what about yourself? [02:06:54] Speaker A: My final words are send in your favorite image from 2025 so that we can share it with everybody, each other on January 5th, and one of you, or actually a few of you, will win a grand prize yet to be announced, of probably lucky camera straps, voucher to the value of something, but you'll definitely be able to get something good with it. And yeah, we'll just enjoy each other's images and stories from the year. Your favorite image captured in 2025. [02:07:23] Speaker C: Yeah, sounds nice. [02:07:25] Speaker A: Email it to me justinuckystraps.com with the subject line, favorite photo of the year, or photo of the year. That works. Something like, let's have a story. [02:07:36] Speaker C: Let us know where you were when you took it, why you took it, what you were feeling, what were you wearing, what did you have for breakfast? It's all part of the experience. [02:07:45] Speaker A: Yeah, we don't. [02:07:46] Speaker B: I don't. All right. [02:07:47] Speaker A: I mean, unless it's relevant to the shop. [02:07:48] Speaker C: Well, yeah, it might be relevant. It might be relevant. It could be a whole thing. But look, on that note, I think we will wrap. This has been the Camera Life podcast, the random photography show, episode 144. It is only three days till Christmas, so on that note, on behalf of all of us here, wishing you if you celebrate Christmas or not, you know, have a great. Have a great couple of days. Relax, eat well, spend time with the people you love. [02:08:15] Speaker B: And. [02:08:16] Speaker C: And yeah, if anyone wants to send me Anything, let me know. I'll give you my address. So you know. Yeah, that's how it works, isn't it? [02:08:24] Speaker A: It is, yeah. [02:08:25] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll take bribes. But look. Merry Christmas to everyone that celebrates Christmas. Be safe, look after one another and we'll see. Now, just remember, we won't have a Thursday show because it's Christmas and Bruce and I are both busy that day. We've got a lot of work to do and. And then the following Monday, we have our end of year wrap. Yeah, what's that? The 29th. And then again New Year's Day. We will not have a podcast on the Thursday morning, the 1st of January, but we will be right back with you on the fifth. Yeah, that's right. [02:08:58] Speaker B: Just so slack. [02:08:59] Speaker A: Lazy. All right, let's see what these comments are saying about Christmas. Philip Johnson says, many thanks, gents. Great show. Have a great Christmas New Year. And I hope Santa brings lots of camera gear. Me too. Maybe you'll bring Christmas firmware upgrade. Lisa Leach says, wishing you all a fabulous Christmas. David Leporardi. Thanks, everyone for another great show. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. Rick Nelson. Good timing. I finished scanning a customer's slides of Neil diamond from 1976. Love the show as always. Thanks again for a huge shout out. You're doing the Lord's work there, Rick. Good job. Dennis says Merry Christmas. Hey, Phillip's gonna go through with drawers on Thursday and thanks, everybody. Thanks. Greg Carrick. Thanks, Dennis. Thanks. Felicity Johnson. Merry Christmas to everybody. Brett Wooderson, Rick Nelson. Thanks to all the new members, everybody. I think I've got everybody. Paul Hindo. Thanks, everyone. Merry Christmas. Looking forward to Thursday's podcast. There isn't one tipping your knucklehead. [02:10:06] Speaker B: To it. He doesn't just appear. [02:10:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it'll come eventually. Drink type, man. Merry Christmas. See you guys in the next one. [02:10:15] Speaker C: Be safe, everyone.