EP136 Answering Your Photography Questions

[00:00:11] Speaker A: Snapping frames chasing light shadows dance day to night lens sharp, soul in sight. [00:00:19] Speaker B: The camera whispers, hold it tight Click, click Moments free time captured in the. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Breeze the camera light, the flash ignite. [00:00:42] Speaker C: Well, g', day, everybody, and welcome back to the Camera Life podcast. This is episode. What are we now, 136. It's the 24th of November. It is a month and a day from. From when my. My summertime gig kicks in as Santa Claus, so. [00:00:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. You got to get the sleigh set up and everything. Where do you. [00:01:01] Speaker C: I slide no matter what I do, Justin. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Oh, o. Okay, I walked into that one. [00:01:07] Speaker C: You certainly did. [00:01:08] Speaker B: You certainly did. [00:01:08] Speaker C: But welcome, everybody. As I mentioned, this is the Camera Live podcast. This is our random photography show where you get to ask questions and we get to pretend that we know the answers. And if we don't know the answers, well, we're just going to make it up anyway. [00:01:19] Speaker B: That's right. Or we'll use chat cbt. Or we'll ask the chat. [00:01:23] Speaker C: It's much the same as making it up. Really. [00:01:25] Speaker B: That's right. [00:01:26] Speaker C: Yeah. Or we might ask you guys what you're up to. But thanks for joining us, everybody. If you're new to the. To the channel, make sure you give us a like. That helps us out a lot. It lets other people know that we produce content and it's out there and. And also hit subscribe and tickle the bell notification. So that way you get notified of every show we have coming up. Two shows a week, Monday evening, Thursday morning. [00:01:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And we got a cool interview coming up this Thursday. Do you remember Vicky Bell? [00:01:52] Speaker A: Vicky? [00:01:53] Speaker B: It's getting a lot of love on the socials. [00:01:55] Speaker C: Everyone's like, yeah, Vicky Bell's very popular. [00:01:58] Speaker B: Very popular. [00:01:59] Speaker C: Her gathering, her fan base and crew. I bet she slays. Just saying. [00:02:07] Speaker B: I don't even know what slays means. [00:02:09] Speaker C: I don't know either. The kids say it, so you know. [00:02:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:12] Speaker C: I assume anyone knows what. What the. What the sleigh cinder will know. She's. She's still youngish. [00:02:20] Speaker A: Sorry. [00:02:20] Speaker C: Listen to. That came out wrong. Let's move along. How are you, Justin? [00:02:24] Speaker B: I'm good. I'm good. It's a good weekend. I'm tired. I really am. I think. I don't know if the hay fever's getting me or something. Yeah, I am. [00:02:33] Speaker C: It's the time for it. It is kind of hot and sticky and thunderstormy here. Sash came home from work all puffy and wheezy because she's got hay fever too, so. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Okay, so it's not just me. [00:02:44] Speaker C: It's not just you. [00:02:45] Speaker D: No. [00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:47] Speaker C: You're not the only one with a weak constitution. [00:02:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:50] Speaker D: I don't know. [00:02:50] Speaker B: It's just the eyes and the stuff and. Anyway, it got me down, but. Oh, there's a chance I might be in. What are you doing on Wednesday morning? I might be in Melbourne on Wednesday morning. [00:02:59] Speaker C: Hey. Hey, Wednesday. I should be around. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Might be around. [00:03:02] Speaker C: Maybe we can I just wait. That's all I do. Yeah, I'd love to do a street walk. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Okay. I'll keep you in the loop. I think if all goes well, we might be. We might be coming down on Tuesday night and then I'll have some free time. Like Wednesday morning. Ish. Between, like, morning and lunchtime, probably. [00:03:24] Speaker C: So that's when the morning generally is. [00:03:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Not after lunch. Morning. Pre. [00:03:28] Speaker C: No, no, no, no. [00:03:29] Speaker A: Pre. [00:03:29] Speaker C: Lunch. Morning. Yeah. [00:03:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:31] Speaker C: Yep. [00:03:32] Speaker B: No, I'm around. [00:03:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Elena just brought up a good point. What is six, seven, Anyway, we'll move. Move on from that. [00:03:39] Speaker C: What? Six, seven is. I've never heard that. [00:03:41] Speaker B: Oh, you haven't heard that? [00:03:42] Speaker C: I haven't heard 6, 7 is. [00:03:43] Speaker D: It. [00:03:44] Speaker B: It's a thing. And apparently, I think the thing basically is everyone asks, What. What is 6, 7? And that's the thing. But anyway, I'm sure the kids will let us know. Before we get any further into our rambling, I'm going to quickly say who's in the chat? Because there's some there already. But YouTube's doing this weird thing. I don't know if it's doing it to the chat, but everyone's. It's not their name, it's their actual AT handle. So this will be fun. So at School of Light, which is. Dennis Smith has already asked what's the leading cause of dry skin. That's not a photography question, Dennis. [00:04:15] Speaker C: Yeah, but I still answered. [00:04:18] Speaker B: What was your answer? Lack of moisture. Philip Johnson, but his handle is Eliary 1627. Good evening. It's doing this weird thing. Every now and then it flips to handles instead of. That's bizarre. Anyway, I'll try and remember if I can't remember whose profile picture is what, it's because it's very small on my screen. Paul's here. Lisa Leach is here. Good evening. Lucinda is here. Production value gets better every week. Yeah. Yeah, we're working hard. I mean, this stuff doesn't just happen. I've been in Canva. We've been in Canva for minutes making that intro. [00:04:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:58] Speaker B: Good evening, Bruce. Good to see you. Digifrog. The intro. It does have the earworm. It is a catchy AI reggae song. [00:05:09] Speaker C: That's how they get you, Dave. That's how they get you. [00:05:11] Speaker B: Slay and then so Carolina Hawkeye. I love what it does it. Carolina Hawkeye. David Leporardi is here. Glenn Lavender is here. Says it's nearly Christmas. Sleighs are pulled by magic reindeer. They are. They are, yeah. Greg's reindeer keeps him. Keeps them in South Melbourne or wherever. [00:05:33] Speaker C: And I'm already in the red. I know it's Astro Boy, but I'm just getting used to the color for the season. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Paul's gonna be able to actually listen to the whole song show. What am I even talking about? The whole show on a Thursday for a change, which is great. Now speak. So this show, this is the most interactive photography podcast on the planet. You can jump in the live chat, but you can also literally call our phone. You can call this phone and we'll answer and you can ask us whatever questions you want. The Numbers on the screen. 048-551-2370. If we don't know the answer, we'll get ChatGPT to answer. ChatGPT. And if ChatGPT doesn't know, because it probably won't because it's a computer, we'll just get one of the professionals in the chat to answer, like Bruce or Glenn or Lucinda or. [00:06:14] Speaker C: You said professionals. [00:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:06:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Or Dennis, just like you. So hit us up in the chat or on the phone and ask your questions. Otherwise, we're just going to, you know, fill the show up with our usual photography news and all the other stuff that's going on. And we always cap these shows off on Monday night where we look at your images. I've already been sent some epic images, including some from Dennis and the Davids. Who else? There's a few others. But it's not too late. If you are listening live and you want to send me an image or two, or three, maybe three, max. Let's not go crazy. Yeah, email Justin. Yeah, don't be greedy. Email them to justinuckystraps.com that I. You can be anything. Either something that you're proud of from recent or dug out of the archives or something that you have a question about where you're like, oh, should I have, you know, what do you think of the edit on this? Or color of black and white or anyway, camera settings, anything. So send it, [email protected] au is that it? Oh, look, even Lucinda doesn't know what 6, 7 is? We'll figure it out. [00:07:19] Speaker C: Oh, Lucinda. [00:07:22] Speaker B: 67 let me down. 67 disproves flat earth theory. Then people freak out. LOL. Does it? [00:07:29] Speaker C: I'm still lost. [00:07:31] Speaker B: Still. Good evening, John Pickett. Urban Dictionary. Slay is used to describe basically anything cool. Pretty awesome. It's a word for anything. Okay. Yeah. [00:07:43] Speaker C: It's a good word then. [00:07:45] Speaker B: Well, this podcast slays Craig. Good evening. Paul wants to know why his handles change. I don't know. Every now and then YouTube just flips out and it does this instead. It's strange. Hello, Andrea Ferrari. Mo for TC. We can't see your real YouTube name because it's freaking out, so just tell us what it is in the chat. [00:08:08] Speaker C: We should guess. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Ricky Nelson. [00:08:10] Speaker C: I'm pretty sure that's Jim C. Armis. [00:08:12] Speaker B: No, it's. Yeah, it's not just you. Everyone's. Everyone's handles flipped out. Anyway, let's move on. Let's move on to what? [00:08:20] Speaker C: Yeah, let's do some photography stuff. [00:08:22] Speaker B: Let's do some photography stuff. Have you done any photography stuff over the last week? [00:08:28] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I mean, I'm always doing photography stuff. That's what you pay me for. Always. I'm like eight hours, nine hours, at least a day. And that's just before lunch. Yeah, I went out on the weekend and did a little bit of photography session. I went to something which we'll talk about in a segment later, but yeah, that's about it, I think. Did I go for a walk last week? I might have gone for a walk last week with the camera, no doubt. So, yeah, I've been getting out a bit. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah. [00:08:54] Speaker C: What about you? Did you do any photography this week? [00:08:56] Speaker B: I had to fly the drone for a quick little video job, but other than that, no. And guess what? I had lost the. Oh, hang on. We got a. We got a call coming in. I don't know if it's. Let's see if this is working. Hold on. Hold on, caller. We're getting there. Can you hear us, caller? Wait one moment. Don't hang up. Of course I checked the tech three times before we went live and now it still doesn't work. Greg even knows I was playing music through this. [00:09:24] Speaker C: He was. It was working. [00:09:26] Speaker B: It still doesn't work, but we're getting there. [00:09:28] Speaker C: Playing a banger, too. [00:09:29] Speaker B: Hold on. Can you hear us, caller? Hold on. How about now? [00:09:33] Speaker D: Hello? [00:09:34] Speaker B: Hey, we got you there. Who we got? [00:09:37] Speaker A: Hello? [00:09:37] Speaker D: Is this Lucky Pizza? [00:09:40] Speaker B: I'd like to order a. [00:09:42] Speaker D: An Aussie with prawns. Family Size. And a garlic bread. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I'm writing that down. [00:09:49] Speaker A: Bottle of Pepsi. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Have you got your credit card handy? [00:09:52] Speaker C: Yeah, just read the. [00:09:53] Speaker D: I won this in a comp, mate. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Well, unless you present the coupon, I'm sorry, we can't send your pizza out. [00:09:59] Speaker D: Yeah, but I'll go and print one. [00:10:02] Speaker C: Aussie with prawns. [00:10:03] Speaker D: Yeah, Aussie with prawns. Family size choice. [00:10:06] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:10:07] Speaker D: No, and. [00:10:08] Speaker A: And good luck, guys. [00:10:09] Speaker D: I'll get off wasting your time. [00:10:13] Speaker B: We appreciate you calling to make sure the phone worked. It took a bit, but we got there. [00:10:16] Speaker C: Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. Be safe now. See you, mate. Lucky pizza. [00:10:24] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we did it. [00:10:25] Speaker C: Next business venture. You know the dog photography thing doesn't take off. [00:10:29] Speaker B: That's right. [00:10:30] Speaker C: Put all these barbecues you've got to use. [00:10:32] Speaker B: The phone lines are owned for people, so get on there. Yeah, flew the drone. And you know what's tricky is I lost the little thumb. What are they called? The little sticks. One of my stick, the joystick off one side is gone, so I had to decide which side was more important. And then the other one, I just kind of jammed my thumb into the hole where the joystick goes and flew the drone that way. It was. Wasn't amazing. [00:11:01] Speaker C: So have you since ordered new sticks? [00:11:03] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, I have. They arrived, actually arrived today. Good job, dji. [00:11:10] Speaker C: Nice. [00:11:10] Speaker B: They did that nice and fast. [00:11:12] Speaker C: Yeah, they've been busy. We'll get to that in a minute. [00:11:15] Speaker B: Especially this time of year. All right, let's have a look at some viewer comments from this past week and see what's happening in the world of lucky straps and camera life. [00:11:27] Speaker C: And that's all happening. [00:11:30] Speaker B: And our last show. Let me pull my screen up. It was a good show on Thursday. [00:11:39] Speaker C: Oh, that feels like eternity ago. [00:11:41] Speaker B: I could see your processing and you were like, Thursday. [00:11:44] Speaker C: I do Thursday. Thursday, yeah. It's getting harder to remember things. [00:11:52] Speaker B: I don't know if I. There's been some great pet names coming through. Hang on. How do I. Where are they all? [00:12:02] Speaker C: Oh, Dennis just wants to clarify. The leading cause of dry skin is towels. [00:12:07] Speaker B: Oh, that's Dennis. I love it. [00:12:11] Speaker C: That is terrible. [00:12:13] Speaker B: But, yeah, I'll pay it, dear. Yes. Yeah, I get it. Hit us with another one that we should have just a whole dad joke. [00:12:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Now where are we doing. Yeah, Doing these things. I've been getting lots of name recommendations for a pet photography business from Hot Rod Custom Images. This was after last week's show, Paparazzi. There was a couple of other ones, but they're not showing up on here. I don't know where they've gone. They're hiding which is a shame. They were in here before. Anyway, so we had Lucas packet on on Tuesday talking about live music but also some really interesting stuff around his protest photography. Documentary style protest photography which I loved. [00:13:06] Speaker C: Yeah, it's pretty, pretty amazing. [00:13:08] Speaker B: Really, really great photographer. An amazing ability to stay unbiased in some pretty dramatic situations and you know. Yeah. Where it would be easy to fall into one side or the other rather than just trying to document the day as it unfolds impartially. And he does an amazing job of staying. He does, yeah. Staying in the middle. [00:13:27] Speaker C: But he also gets really, really clever vantage points because he sent through photo. So I'll. We interviewed him last week. I'll write a blog that will go on the Lucky Straps website in case you didn't know. Head to Lucky Straps.com and if you go to the about section there's a blog page where I write an article for every guest we interview. And he sent me through the images. I haven't finished the article yet so stay tuned for that. But he sent me through the black and white. Most, most of his images were black and white, especially the, you know, the protest ones and just the detail in them and the, and the menacing presence of the, of the right police. The way that he captured them was just remarkable. Like I just, I spent ages just going through his photos and then of course you flip to the second side of his work and all of a sudden there's all these beautiful band shots and live music shots. It's such a, such a dynamic pair of genres that he's chosen, you know, as his main kind of main focus point. So yeah, really incredible. [00:14:28] Speaker B: Still shooting with, with DSLR's Canon 5D Mark IIIs. [00:14:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:34] Speaker B: And making them sing. Proving that you don't need the latest and greatest crazy. [00:14:40] Speaker C: And those protest images are tack sharp. [00:14:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:45] Speaker C: Like the detail is insane. Beautiful. [00:14:47] Speaker B: He's got some skills. A couple of great comments on that show from at Carl 1964. Carl, great handle. Fantastic to see my friend being interviewed by you guys. Yes. Yes it was. And from Wookiee75, Shane Henderson. Shane Henderson. Henderson, yeah. Yeah. Another excellent interview. It was so. Yeah. And that's all quite weak on the comments. [00:15:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:17] Speaker B: So I was thinking this show would have some questions coming in during it but if, if we don't, I'm going to randomly bring some questions up. I typed it into ChatGPT. What are the most common questions for photography and Their answers. Oh, and I think this will be fun because basically it's telling us. I'll show you my screen. It's telling us what the questions are and also what its answers are. And the first one is what camera should I buy? [00:15:58] Speaker C: You're going to bring it up. [00:16:00] Speaker B: I want you to guess what the answer is first to what camera should I buy? Should I buy. [00:16:07] Speaker C: Fujifilm X? [00:16:08] Speaker B: Half that is incorrect. [00:16:13] Speaker C: No, hang on, hang on. I reckon it's a. An older Nikon. Like a dslr. [00:16:26] Speaker B: No. [00:16:27] Speaker C: What is it then? [00:16:28] Speaker B: All right, the answer is the best camera is the one that fits your needs and budget. [00:16:38] Speaker C: I'll get fucked. That's lazy shit. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Brilliant. ChatGPT. Brilliant. For beginners, an entry level mirrorless, like a Canon Sony or Fujifilm XS20. Is that a current model XS20? [00:16:52] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like a. But it's more of a videography camera than a photography camera. Like it does both. It's hybrid. [00:16:57] Speaker B: But Chat TBT wouldn't get this wrong for travel because travel. So basically it goes. This is the arc of photography. You've got beginners, then travel and then professional. [00:17:10] Speaker C: That's a natural. Natural. [00:17:11] Speaker B: As you progress from beginner, you progress into travel and then as you progress, it gets a professional, you have to stop traveling. So for travel, a compact mirrorless with good autofocus like the A7C2 or the Canon R8. Interesting, interesting. It seems to be a bit of a Sony and Canon fanboy. And then for professional work, full frame bodies as opposed to the A7C and the Canon R8, which are also full frame bodies but with good dynamic range like the A7IV, which I think actually has less dynamic range than the A7C2, but what would I. [00:17:49] Speaker C: 7C2 is pretty good. [00:17:51] Speaker B: The seven C2's that got the 60 megapixel sensor in it, doesn't it? That's good. Does it? Or am I. Am I crazy? [00:17:58] Speaker C: No, I think you're crazy. [00:17:59] Speaker B: Unknown caller. Oh, we've got an unknown caller on the line. Had I heard. Hold on, caller. Let's see if this works this time. Have you got us? [00:18:08] Speaker A: I'm holding, I'm holding. [00:18:11] Speaker B: Hello, Dennis. [00:18:12] Speaker A: Hey guys, how are you? [00:18:14] Speaker C: Good, how are you? Balls of light. [00:18:17] Speaker A: Oh, good. You know, it's amazing. I am editing like a loony. I've been in Sydney a bit, but I'm spending an inordinate amount of time editing video at the moment, which is good and bad, but. Yeah, it's. It's fine, fine. [00:18:32] Speaker C: But I asked again, apart From. Can I ask you, mate, when you're editing, whether it be video or maybe not so much video, maybe stills, because video you need audio, obviously. But do you have like a playlist that you have banging in the background? You know, what's you. What's your kind of your top three songs in your playlist while you edit me? [00:18:51] Speaker A: What a spectacular question. It depends if I'm honest. It depends what I'm editing. I have. Well, we live in that. We live in this time. That is the miracle of being any music anytime you like. And. And so, you know, if I want to be calm and relaxed, I'm listening to some Oliver Arnolds. If I'm. If I want to be a bit, you know, a bit heavier, so on and so forth, if I'm editing that I hate, maybe a bit of. Maybe a bit of death metal, that'll do it. [00:19:24] Speaker C: Okay. [00:19:24] Speaker A: But that. It's amazing. Hey, but I, I being last week, I. I was lucky enough to. Well, not lucky. I mean it, you know, I. I tortured my way all the way into the Leica store we. Which we. Which we don't have in. In Adelaide, of course. And I had a wonderful experience and it has raised a question, actual question for you. I thought I knew everything, but my wife assured me that's not the case. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. The. So the, the, you know, mega sort of secret that the Q3 mono was coming has now become a reality. [00:20:16] Speaker B: That's right. It's here. [00:20:17] Speaker A: And yeah, and the funny thing was when I walked into, Guy was serving someone else and he sort of. He said excuse me and came over to me and said, you know, I'll be with you soon, sir. And I. And I said to him, it's okay, I don't need any help because I don't have. Didn't say that part though. But it. Once he'd finished, he did come over and, And I said, look, there's nothing really here for me at the moment. I would love a Q3 mono. And that was four hours before the. And he said it may be coming soon, knowing full well that it was four hours away, which was bloody hilarious. But. Yeah. So I have a question and it's a question for. It's kind of question. But I know why I. I know why I would love a mono. Any camera really. But the attraction for me is. Is. Is quite different to what some might. You know, I challenge all. But I love the idea of learning, you know, learning what it would be like to go on a trip to India and just have one body that only shoots monochrome. And I enjoy studying it. But my question, my question is for you two and for anyone that wants to launch is what is the, what is it? Why do these cameras exist? What is the thing that would make someone invest in a camera that only shoots black and white? Yeah, that, so that's fundamentally my question. And, and why should I, you know, and I any value when you telling me the sharing the reason why I would. But yeah, I think it's a great question and it's a really off, you know, the response from different people is really fascinating. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Okay, are you, are you thinking more on a technical level or more on a usability or philosophical level? Look all of the above. [00:22:21] Speaker A: I, I, well, look all of the above. But, but I, I think the answer to the question that is, I, I think a non technical answer is a little more interesting. I mean I understand intimately the technical side of it, but more so the, the, the, the philosophy of it. I mean for me it is, my bookshelf is full of, you know, Salgado and, and Bosson and, and all of these people that went and shot black and white. So I understand the timelessness of it. But yeah, I, I, I'm curious, I'm curious to hear people's ideas of why they would. [00:23:03] Speaker B: It is, it is very tempting for me. I do love shooting in black and white as well. But I do you do wonder like, is there any. Take the technical side away. [00:23:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:18] Speaker B: Is it that important that you cannot switch to color because you can set your Q3 to black and white. Everything looks like it's black and white. It operates essentially in the same fashion as the Q3 monochrome. I guess the downside is you get black and white roars. So there's no, there's no temptation because if, unless you're shooting JPEGs through the standard Q3. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:46] Speaker B: Your RAWs are going to be in color and there's going to be that temptation to I guess see what they look like or change your mind later. I don't know. [00:23:57] Speaker C: I think personally, Dennis given, you know, I'm not a, I'm not a terribly technical photographer, but so I lean into the art side more and experience and the experience of photography more. I think from an experiential point of view, you know, there's, there's, there's joy and beauty in the limitation of monochrome. There's joy and beauty in only working with the tonal values of how the light, you know, remove color and just focus really on how the light falls and how it reflects and how the tonal values tell a story. And I think it's. There's something. I think it elevates that mindfulness of photography. You're not just taking shots. You're creating purposeful tonal images. And there's that mindful quality to that. That's how I see it anyway. [00:24:44] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah, me too, to a degree. I mean, the attraction, you know, I'm. I'm. My next trip to India, I'm very tempted to just take a Q3 mono and. And no video this time either, and just literally go one body. And I think. I think the attraction for me is that, you know, you. It would take a little bit of time, but you. You would lean into and relax into this idea of just telling the story and, And. And tonality and all of that stuff. I did walk around for a long time with my Olympuses and with the Q3, with A. With a look. I look applied to it to try and learn how to see in mono, you know, learn how to see in mono and learn how to think in tone and look at the story more than the color. I mean, it's bloody hard when you're walking around India. The place is like an explosion of color, you know, and maybe that itself. [00:25:43] Speaker C: Is a reason to. To pursue monochroma. Everyone shoots India in color because of that. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Photograph. [00:25:53] Speaker C: But you know, that that's where the challenge lies. About eliciting. No, no, that's not the word. About extracting from a viewer the same kind of experience from seeing one of your images in black and white versus color. You know, where the black and white tells me that. [00:26:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I agree. I. I mean, I, like, I say, I've got. I've got a lot of books here. My. My favorite Sebastian Salgado is. Is. I've got three of his photo books here. And it's the black and white stuff that is the most striking to me. Anyway. I'll leave that with. With the mob. I know it can sometimes be a little confronting, I think, for people to contemplate the idea of blocking 12 grand on a camera that you're only shooting black and white. I mean, it's a nice flex. It's a nice flex, that's for sure. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Speaking. Speaking of flex, before you go, Yelena, my lovely beloved partner has a question for you. In the chat, she said, I'm curious to know how Dennis trains his arms. Or is it just the lucky straps T shirt making the muscles pop. She saw your real Yelena. [00:26:59] Speaker A: I. [00:27:00] Speaker B: The Tamron podcast reel that got posted today or yesterday or something. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Oh, I have not seen that. Oh, yeah, I should go watch that. Yeah, that was a really. That was a really interesting. I have done an inordinate amount of podcasts over the years and interviews and stuff. That guy leaned into a couple of things that I was not expecting, and that was really special. He really thought about what he was asking me. Yelena, the answer to your questions is. Is natural genetics. I'm just super hot automatically. [00:27:35] Speaker B: I don't have to do nothing. Wait, hang on. You don't go to. You don't go to the gym at all? [00:27:41] Speaker A: No. Zero's never done any formal. I've done. No, I've never done any formal exercise. It's. Yeah, it's. It's pretty special. But no, I appreciate. I. I appreciate your lovely Yelena being so observant. Hey, anyway, it's. Anyway, let's get out. [00:28:05] Speaker D: Jim. [00:28:06] Speaker A: Look at Jim's comment there. [00:28:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Dude's Jack. [00:28:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:09] Speaker A: Hey, I'll tell you a funny thing. [00:28:12] Speaker B: I'm jealous. I wish I could look like that without going to the gym. That's amazing. Oh, yeah, it's the. It's the billion light painting images of you waving your arms around at full speed. [00:28:24] Speaker A: I'll tell you a funny thing, and I don't know if anyone else is like this, but when I'm shooting, particularly when I'm shooting video, my. I relax my tummy quite a bit. So, like when I'm in a relaxed mode, and I was away at this shoot on Sydney, and someone. Someone shared a. A. A photo of me shooting, and I've got this big bare belly poking out. It was hilarious. So if you. Yeah, if y. Saw that, she probably wouldn't think that that did. All righty, you guys, I'm gonna go back to editing and listen to the rest of the show. I've got. There's a think about the 5D Mark III before. One of the images I've sent you later is a 5D Mark III image, which is really cool. [00:29:03] Speaker B: Cool. Yeah. We'll be keen to dig it up and check it out. [00:29:08] Speaker A: All righty. Love your work and. And keen to hear. Keen to hear the black and white ideas. Love you guys. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Thanks, Dennis. Thank you very much. [00:29:16] Speaker A: Okay, Magic. See you. Bye. [00:29:18] Speaker B: Bye. [00:29:19] Speaker C: See you, mate. [00:29:23] Speaker B: Yeah, black and white. Yeah, black and white. I mean, it's. It's. It definitely has a romantic notion to it. If. And if I think if there Were no technical benefits. It would be a hard sell for me because I'd be like, well, you can just get the color one, pop it in black and white and you, and you just. And you just. And then, and then when you process them. Oh, someone must have some, some black and white thoughts. Let's see if our system's actually going to work again in a row. Hold on. Caller, can you hear us? Oh, yeah. [00:29:56] Speaker D: Hello guys, what's up? [00:29:59] Speaker A: Tis Bruce. [00:30:00] Speaker B: It is Bruce. [00:30:02] Speaker D: Oh, I figured I'd just throw in while Dennis is getting off the phone. [00:30:05] Speaker C: Yeah, no, you gotta find. You gotta jump in quick. [00:30:07] Speaker B: Well, I saw you said here that you've got. Where is it? I have an answer. You said I have an answer. What is your answer? [00:30:14] Speaker D: Well, the cheeky answer is because you're colorblind, but. [00:30:18] Speaker B: Well, then you wouldn't need a monochrome camera, would you? You just. [00:30:23] Speaker C: Deal with it. [00:30:24] Speaker D: Yep. Yeah, that's a bit rude. [00:30:27] Speaker C: I apologize. Anybody's gone. [00:30:31] Speaker D: No, I think, I think it just, it just temperaments you. Yeah, I think Dennis was already on the right track with what he was saying. He thinks deep about these things. So, yeah, I think it is a luxury or it becomes your practice and that's all you do. So you just shoot in color or a black and white film maybe or whatever. So yeah, obviously some people convert. Like Yona, you've been looking at it, Justin, converting cameras to infrared. Now you wouldn't shoot that every day, but black and white you might. So I also think like, technically there's some really cool stuff you can do with it. Like you get much more dynamic range or depth within, within the processing and depending on how it is. Because if you look at the phase, Phase also do a. A back which is fully monochrome and that thing's insane. [00:31:25] Speaker B: Do they, do they really. They do a completely monochrome? What, one of their 150 backs or something? [00:31:32] Speaker D: Yeah, something like that. One of their PQs or something. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Gosh, that would be gnarly. [00:31:38] Speaker D: They also do a trichromatic one as well. [00:31:40] Speaker B: What does that mean? [00:31:41] Speaker D: Which is instead of. I'm not exactly sure the tech I've looked at in a long time, but it's like there's a lot more depth of information per like sensor site. Like. Yeah, just a lot more, lot, lot more information than even the standard medium format has. Large format. [00:32:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:03] Speaker D: Okay, look those up. They're pretty cool. But there's the thing. So I have got a question for you. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Yep. [00:32:08] Speaker D: Oh, but for. So I, I literally just pulled out my old Epson P800 printer. Because I've got the big, big boy over here, which is. That's the thing that's been used for a long time, since I got. Got this, got that, and it still works and the ink isn't blocked. And I am really, absolutely gobsmacked because I don't think I turned it on in three and a half years. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:32:33] Speaker C: So. [00:32:35] Speaker D: Which is crazy. This thing lived on my own kitchen bench for five years because I had nowhere else to put it until I built the studio. Just a bit of angry, but my question is, I've been. I pulled it out for the simple reasons that my big printer won't do smaller bits of paper. Five by. Was it 7 by 10 inch? I only do 8 by 10 inch. [00:32:57] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:32:59] Speaker D: So. And I bought a pack of. Sample pack of photographic gift cards, for lack of a better word, just to try and make something different and new. Have a bit of an experiment of ideas. I'm interested in our. Our other people who. Who print and do stuff like that. Whether they make things like gift cards with some of their work or whatever. Like, not just prints, but like things that you can give away or sell at markets and stuff. I've never looked at that stuff. I just thought this might be a bit of fun for Christmas. [00:33:36] Speaker B: When you say gift card, do you. Do you mean literally like a. You mean a small image or are you talking about like an actual, like a. Hey, this is to the value of this to buy, like, you know. [00:33:48] Speaker D: No, no, not like gift card, like a voucher or anything. No, I mean, like, it's a. It's like a, you know, Hallmark card or something like that. [00:33:56] Speaker C: Like you. Oh, okay. [00:33:57] Speaker D: Yeah, you print on it and you fold it and then you can write in the middle of it and give it to people or whatever. [00:34:02] Speaker B: That's an interesting question. I've definitely. I've never done that. But what's funny is Jim and I used to do our gift cards on our Epson 3880 because we would do them basically as people wanted a gift card. We didn't have a stock of gift cards, so we. We just had a design and we printed it with three of them. Would fit on an. A four bit of. Of photo paper. We printed on really nice thick photo paper. And then. And then we had a guy make up these little leather, you know, envelopes for him. They look real fancy and nice, but yeah, we printed out leather. Yeah. Oh, leather. Our. Yeah, our gift cards, but not what you're talking About. We printed them on our photo printer. [00:34:42] Speaker D: Yeah, well, that's what I'm doing. I'm putting on photo printer. Your envelopes are worth more than the actual bloody card. [00:34:47] Speaker B: They were, they, they absolutely were. But they looked really nice and they were for. Usually people were buying them for photo shoots that were sort of worth four to seven hundred dollars. So it was nice like for like a family photo shoot or something like that. Say a husband would get the wife a family, you know, shoot for Christmas or something like that, because that's what she'd wanted and it was just being able to give something physical on the day rather than just sort of like, hey, here's a bit of paper or whatever. So. [00:35:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:35:18] Speaker B: A guy in Bendigo made them for us. They weren't crazy expensive, I think. I think he charged us 30, $40 for him or something like that, which. [00:35:24] Speaker D: Is a bit cool. [00:35:25] Speaker B: But yeah, we put that. We would. We could emboss their initials on them and stuff like that. It was nice anyway. [00:35:32] Speaker D: Yeah, that's cool. [00:35:33] Speaker B: But no, I've never, I've never done a card and tried to fold it or anything like that. [00:35:39] Speaker D: Well, these come like pre scored. That's the reason why I went with it because. [00:35:43] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:35:44] Speaker D: So they're, they've got, they've got a score through the middle and they can't even get templates from the website and stuff. And you just lay it out and print it. So I'd literally just done my first one just before Dennis finished talking and it came out pretty good. It's, it's not, it's not what I call gallery amazing or anything, but like for what, what this is, it's still pretty awesome. I did that print. I printed the image I gave you, Greg of the library, on, on this card. [00:36:12] Speaker C: Oh, nice. [00:36:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. So is that why you had to use the other printer, because it goes smaller? Does. Wouldn't feed through because it scored. Does it have to go through like the flat tray or something? [00:36:24] Speaker D: Yeah, it's a flat bit of paper like at, at 7 by 10 inches, but it's got, it's got a small brace in the middle ready for you to fold it. So it's flat. It's flat with just a little bit of a bump. So obviously in the template you make sure you've got a bit of clearance. [00:36:43] Speaker C: Yeah. There. [00:36:44] Speaker D: So you don't print on that area. [00:36:46] Speaker B: Yeah, interesting. Very interesting. Yeah, yeah. [00:36:51] Speaker D: Anyway, I just thought it was interesting. [00:36:52] Speaker B: It's a good idea. I mean it's, it's a good Time of year that if you've got a printer sitting around doing not much, it's a good time of year to bust it out and. And print some little gifts for even just people that, you know, just. Just little, you know. [00:37:06] Speaker D: That's kind of what I was thinking. [00:37:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:07] Speaker D: That's the reason why it was just one of those days. I thought, oh, I'll give it a go. So without it, like, I have no affiliation with this at all. But I bought Red river paper from Image Science, so they have sample packs there, but insect printable card sample pack. So they come with matte and gloss. The gloss is what I just printed, but I think the mat's the way to go. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I see it here. Red River. Very cool. Where to start? A sample pack. Yeah. Nice. [00:37:42] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. My big printer won't take anything that small through it. I won't rot it. [00:37:48] Speaker A: Literally. [00:37:49] Speaker D: I can't set it in the. In any of the software to take it. Yeah, it's failed me. [00:37:54] Speaker C: It's failed. Oh, yeah, the other one's working. That's good. [00:37:59] Speaker B: Grant's in the chat. He says print party. I forgot that was my plan. I haven't organized it yet, but that was one of the reasons I got this new printer, was I wanted to be able to invite friends over, and they can just bring a USB stick of anything that they've been meaning to get printed, and we can. [00:38:12] Speaker C: That was just the lie you told yourself to justify buying another printer. [00:38:16] Speaker B: I mean, this printer was great at the start, but it's been giving me grief the last couple of times I used. Doesn't want to print on the paper that I want. It's being stupid. [00:38:30] Speaker D: Printers are fun, but they are temperamental. [00:38:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:34] Speaker C: Like my. [00:38:35] Speaker D: My big one. I actually have a thing on an alarm in my system to come and turn it on and run a head test. Like a printing head test on it every week. [00:38:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:47] Speaker D: Because it's meant to be used every day. [00:38:49] Speaker B: I gotta figure out how to do that on mine because it. I've just been printing out the. Like the nozzle check sheet, like, once every week. [00:38:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:56] Speaker D: That's all I do. [00:38:57] Speaker B: I forget. But I forget. [00:38:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:00] Speaker B: So I need to do it. [00:39:01] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:39:01] Speaker B: I should just do it every Monday night on the podcast. [00:39:05] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:39:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:06] Speaker D: That could be how you sign off. [00:39:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:39:09] Speaker C: While I'm here. Very cool. [00:39:13] Speaker D: Anyway, I'll let you guys do it. [00:39:15] Speaker B: All right, well, thank you for the call. [00:39:18] Speaker D: All right, catch us. [00:39:19] Speaker C: Take care, Bruce. You see, mate? Nice. [00:39:26] Speaker B: I saw a comment here. I want to go Back to that before we lose it. I want to go back to the black and white thing because this is where it gets a bit more interesting. Where is it? Dennis said, I think there is a Ricoh GR black and white. I don't think there was one in the GR3. [00:39:45] Speaker C: No. Working on one. [00:39:47] Speaker B: They're working on one for the GR4 and I think that's going to be a super popular camera camera. Because you might. What I think a few people said and I haven't had my hands on one obviously because it's only just come out and I've never used the M11 monochrome. But the difference. The benefits. What am I trying to say? The 60 megapixel sensor, the regular one in the Q3, the regular color version is so good. Such a great sensor. The black and white conversions you get out of that are wonderful. And yeah, you get about a stop better in low light going to monochrome only and you are going to get more detail and less noise. And less noise. But how much more detail do you need than that amazing sensor? Whereas with the GR. What's that? A 26 or something megapixel sensor? Yeah. [00:40:39] Speaker C: I have no idea. [00:40:40] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure it is. And it's APS C. You might see real benefit by going to the monochrome version and the investment will hopefully only be like two grand or something. Whatever. [00:40:52] Speaker C: Two and a half to three. I think. [00:40:53] Speaker B: Which is a lot more like. If you were going to like rocking around India with a gr. Monochrome would be. Would be a delight because it's such a light camera. But also. Yeah. You're not having to take this $13,000 punt. [00:41:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:09] Speaker B: On whether or not you're going to enjoy dedicated monochrome. I don't know. I think that will be. That is a camera I would look at buying for sure. [00:41:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:18] Speaker B: I'd be tempted to a monochrome gr. [00:41:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:22] Speaker B: To go alongside camera system that has full color. [00:41:26] Speaker C: Yep. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:28] Speaker C: Yeah. Buy one of each. [00:41:30] Speaker B: What a GR of age? No way. [00:41:33] Speaker C: There's got to be like five different skus. So. You know, because there'll be the. What is that? What do they have? They have like a 35 mil full frame equivalent and they've got a 50 mil full frame equivalent, don't they? [00:41:43] Speaker B: They've got a 28 mil full frame. Which. [00:41:45] Speaker C: 28. Which is. Which is. [00:41:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Which I would enjoy. And then I think it's a 40. The X version is a 40 and. [00:41:51] Speaker C: Then they've got the HCF versions. HCF? [00:41:54] Speaker B: Yeah. HD. [00:41:56] Speaker C: Like. Yeah. [00:41:57] Speaker B: Maybe it's HD, which is the soft filter, whatever it's called, like, oh, missed something thing. [00:42:07] Speaker C: Yeah, I know what you mean. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:09] Speaker C: So there's those versions if they're going to do that again. So that's four plus a monochrome. And then they often bring out like a diary edition or a street edition. [00:42:17] Speaker B: A blue ring on it. Yeah. [00:42:19] Speaker C: One's got an orange ring. Yeah. [00:42:20] Speaker B: Rick knows what's going on. He's like, GR already has too many SKUs. They don't need to. [00:42:24] Speaker C: They just need to focus on getting stock in people's hands. They've done a great job of promoting the grand. Like it's, you know, especially with the GR space in Brisbane. I've seen a lot of Aussie advertising for the GR from Ricoh, Australia. Now they just need to get the stock in. [00:42:41] Speaker B: Yeah, we need the actual cameras. Stop advertising them. Get us the. Get us the boxes so we can make the decision to buy one. [00:42:47] Speaker C: Because the GR3s were just plagued constantly with stock issues. [00:42:52] Speaker B: The 4 will be as well. It will be. Especially if that. If they release a monochrome in that four, that'll be out of stock for six months. You'll be on a waiting list. 100%. [00:43:01] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:43:02] Speaker B: Dennis won't be. He's famous. He'll get. He'll get one. [00:43:05] Speaker C: Yep. [00:43:06] Speaker B: And if he doesn't get one, they're crazy. Now, where were we? What were we doing? [00:43:13] Speaker C: We were talking black and white. We're talking about printing. We're talking about. Yeah, I'm not sure. We got a bit lost in the woods. [00:43:24] Speaker B: Great. Carrick's been printing calendars, had calendars printed by two suppliers. Vistaprint printed and delivered the next day. That's insane. [00:43:32] Speaker C: Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. Yep. And I think Lucinda dropped a comment earlier too, about how Rodney, he prints postcards, greeting cards and calendars and smaller prints for sale at his. At his. When he sets up shop. So, yeah. [00:43:56] Speaker B: Greg says if they make a mono XE5, they'd have to remove the film sim dial. They could just have different monochrome film sims, but. Very funny. [00:44:04] Speaker C: They could. Well, what's it already got? It's already got like eight because it's got across in standard. It's got red, green and. What's the other one? Yellow filters. And they've got a monochrome film sim with red, green and yellow filters. So, yeah, Simdial still work. [00:44:29] Speaker B: Right, before we go to the next segment, do We Want Another ChatGPT Most Popular Photography questions? [00:44:37] Speaker C: Yeah, go on. [00:44:39] Speaker B: Let me just pick a good one. Here we go. Oh, interesting. Interesting. Gets a bit better as things go on. What lens should I get first? [00:45:03] Speaker C: So I'm gonna say it says a 24 to 70. [00:45:10] Speaker B: What? So you think chat TPT says 24 to 70. What do you think people should get first? [00:45:17] Speaker C: Either a 35 or a 50 mil prime. [00:45:24] Speaker B: Bruce says I always say nifty 50. Lucinda says the one you can afford. Jim says 50. Rick Nelson. [00:45:33] Speaker C: Nelson says 50. Yeah. [00:45:37] Speaker B: I obviously would say 50 because I've got six of them. I'm thinking about canceling my order for that 45 mil Canon lens. [00:45:45] Speaker C: What? [00:45:46] Speaker B: I'm having buys. [00:45:47] Speaker C: I've been banging on about that thing for months. Just get it. [00:45:51] Speaker B: It's only been out for a couple of weeks. John Pickett says it'll probably say the kit lens 24 to 70 from Andrea Ferrari. Justin will sell your 50. Yeah. That the first lens you should get is one that I need to sell. That's actually the best one you can buy. All right. ChatGPT says the best lens you should buy. The first lens you should buy is a fast prime lens. 35.1.8 or 50.1.8 is the best beginner buy. It improves low light performance, background blur, sharpness, creativity. Zooms are versatile, but primes teach composition faster. Look at that. Greg, you had no faith in old chat, but chat GPT was right there with you. A 35 or a 50. And I assume you would agree a 1.8. Like don't. Don't go and buy the most expensive one. Just get. Just get whatever the cheapest one is. [00:46:45] Speaker C: In your system with a 1.8 or an F2. Yep, perfectly fine. Make magic, master it and then get your next lens. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Paul's late to the party but wants to know what photo equipment should I 3D print. Can you 3D print me an M11 with a 50 mil superlux? I mean monochrome color. I don't mind. Depends on how. Yeah. I don't know. That's an interesting question. What? Dennis would be a good person, but he does it. He already 3D prints everything you could ever not even think of. [00:47:21] Speaker C: Greg Carrick gets some lens mounts. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, lens mounts. [00:47:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:25] Speaker B: I haven't really ever thought about that. Like, what would be a good. What would you do with a 3D printer for photography? What little gadgets or tools. Dennis says battery holders, 3D print battery holders. That's a good idea. Or Samsung hard SSD 4 pack holders from last week. Bruce says a decent Fujifilm camera. [00:47:56] Speaker C: That's rude. How do you think they made The X half that's just 3D printed. Someone from some 3D printing farm out of the local high school? [00:48:03] Speaker B: No, just some dude in his garage is just like. I've got an idea. Oh, dear. Okay, let's. Let's check out the news quickly. [00:48:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:14] Speaker B: This is going to be. This is going to be a short show. [00:48:18] Speaker C: It's not a lot of news because we're at the. We're at the tail end of the Black Friday Cyber Monday sales period and actually. What did I say today? No, I was in an Uber on the way home. I had an appointment in Richmond and I grabbed an Uber because. Because I don't drive. And the radio was on and even Coles has a Black Friday sale. Coles Supermarket. Just a grocery store. [00:48:43] Speaker B: What? [00:48:43] Speaker C: Black Friday sale? [00:48:47] Speaker B: No, there'll be nothing. It'll just be like Tim Tam said, two for six bucks or whatever. And you'll look at it and you'll think they were cheaper than that before. [00:48:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:59] Speaker B: You have to look at the tag to try and figure out what's actually changed. You look under the old tag and you're like, that's the same price as it normally is. Yeah. [00:49:05] Speaker C: It's all smoke and mirrors. [00:49:07] Speaker B: It is all smoke and mirrors. Wow. But, yeah, Bruce says it's just ruined stock. [00:49:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:16] Speaker C: We dropped in the storeroom. [00:49:18] Speaker B: Out of date. [00:49:19] Speaker C: Oh, sorry, Elena. We saw. Been on to me lately with the language. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Black Friday isn't this weekend. Yeah, it's this weekend. Coming. Cyber Monday was today. No. Was it? No, it's this weekend coming. It's coming out. [00:49:35] Speaker C: No idea. We don't even know what it is. [00:49:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Because everyone's been running Black Friday sales for three weeks. [00:49:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And then I even saw somewhere someone did Black November. This just felt greedy. [00:49:52] Speaker B: Lots of people do that. Yeah. They just did the whole month now. [00:49:55] Speaker C: Oh. And then I walk past. I walk at the shopping center. I walk past. You remember Smeagol? They do the kids stationery and colorful backpacks and water bottles and you can get themes and they're really. [00:50:05] Speaker B: They. [00:50:05] Speaker C: They often have kiosks at shopping centers. [00:50:09] Speaker B: They had a eagle. Was the. The Lord of the Rings. [00:50:12] Speaker C: Dude, I'm so proud of you that you know that. I'm so proud of you. [00:50:17] Speaker B: Oh, I'm a nerd sometimes. [00:50:20] Speaker C: Yeah, sometimes. [00:50:21] Speaker B: Anyway. Sorry. Yeah. What you were. [00:50:25] Speaker C: Instead of Black Friday, they had. What did they. They had something like Colorful Friday or something. [00:50:34] Speaker B: Marketing. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:35] Speaker B: And come up with that one. I know what we'll do. We'll stand out from the pack. We'll Have Colorful Friday. [00:50:43] Speaker C: Colorful. [00:50:44] Speaker B: Oh, dear. [00:50:46] Speaker C: All right, so let's talk news. [00:50:48] Speaker B: Yeah, let's talk the news. Oh, hang on. Digifrog's Woolworths burnt down. They've only got a Coles now. Well, you might not be getting as many deals now. Once. Once that duopoly's out of there, Coles will start jacking up the prices and. [00:51:01] Speaker C: Charge whatever they want. [00:51:02] Speaker B: Now, Cracker Barrel cheese will be outrageous. Even more outrageous than it is now. Do you buy Cracker Barrel cheese? [00:51:07] Speaker C: I can't afford cheese. [00:51:09] Speaker B: What are you talking about? [00:51:10] Speaker C: We just grate cardboard. [00:51:13] Speaker B: Give the kids those cheese sticks. Remember the sticks from. You know, they're basically like plastic. Yep, yep. [00:51:20] Speaker C: Like the. Like the old school craft singles that were. Didn't contain any dairy at all. [00:51:25] Speaker B: Yep. [00:51:26] Speaker C: Just some sort of byproduct from a plastic factory. [00:51:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:30] Speaker C: Now we can't afford Cracker Barrel. But it's good, though, isn't it? I grew up with Cracker Barrel. [00:51:37] Speaker B: It's the good stuff. I have it. We have it in the fridge just for when I make. Hang on. He says. Read it again. Justin, what did I say wrong? Our Woolworths burnt down. Only coals now. Yeah, that's what I. That's what I said. I don't know. What do you. What'd I miss? What did I miss? Digi. [00:51:58] Speaker C: It's a pun. [00:51:59] Speaker B: It's a pun. Our Woolworths burnt down. Oh. Only cold. [00:52:06] Speaker C: Oh, I get it. Oh, dang. [00:52:09] Speaker B: No, that's a terrible joke. Thanks. Thanks for the assist, everyone, with the scaling. See, that's when. It's a pun. You have to put the punny, punny thing. I'm too dumb for those kind of jokes. We're both really tired. I thought you. I thought it really did burn down. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Yeah. All right, let's talk about the news. Let's talk about. [00:52:32] Speaker B: I don't even know if I can. I don't know if I can do it. I think I just have to sit here. You'll have to carry the rest of the show. Terrible. [00:52:39] Speaker C: Let's jump to some news hit. We've already done the. The thing. [00:52:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I already did it. [00:52:43] Speaker C: All right, let's start with Fujifilm, because, of course, you're all taking the piss out of Fujifilm. So Fujifilm have released another new GFX100RF. This time, they're teaming up with the Japanese, a very famous Japanese artist, to create the Fujifilm GFX100RF Fragment Edition. So basically, it's just an all black X100RF. It's a medium format or, sorry, larger format sensor, 100 megapixels. 102. And it has a. An f4 lens and no Ibis. Just ask Matt Crummons about that one. [00:53:22] Speaker B: Hang on. So this is just a regular. This is just like when Leica released the reporter edition Q3. Like it's. There's nothing different about it other than the finish. [00:53:31] Speaker C: Yeah, the only thing different is. The only thing different with this is that it's got in the bottom right corner of the front face of the camera, there's a little fragment logo, that little kind of dual electric shock logo that you can see there. And I think the only other thing is the camera strap has the logo on it too. I think that's. That's kind of it. [00:53:49] Speaker B: But it won't be a good camera strap. Yeah, that didn't take him long to start bringing additions out, but. [00:53:59] Speaker C: Well, I mean. Good. I'm trying to think of whether Fujifilm have done this before. I. I don't know that they have with the X series and I. And I'm pretty sure they haven't with gfx. This might be one of their first collaborations that they've done, you know, for an actual camera body to be. Have an alternative finish and branding. I think this might be one of the one ones I've ever done in like at least the last 10 years anyway, unless anyone else remembers any special editions. But it is interesting, isn't it? Because, yeah, you do see Leica doing this sort of thing where they. They kind of lean into a collaboration or a branding. [00:54:35] Speaker B: I was gonna say this is obviously. This is a. Yeah. A leaf out of Leica's book. Which is. Yeah. Or what page? Out of like leaf out of. Off their tree. I don't even know what that saying is. I can't talk anymore. There's. Lucinda said, get the man a beer. I'm in struggle town. [00:54:50] Speaker C: I think you've already had some, haven't you? [00:54:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I have. I've got one right here. [00:54:54] Speaker C: There we go. [00:54:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I good on them. Why not? Yeah, I probably wouldn't buy a fragment edition because. I don't know, one, I don't know what that is, and two, it looks the same as the standard black one to me. Yeah, it is enough. Whereas when. When Leica bring out that. That super sexy reporter edition, you're like, oh, yeah, the green and the. And that special grip and it looks really cool. [00:55:22] Speaker C: Yeah. But yeah, they. They really lean into those colors, don't they? Especially the reporters. And they did like A James Bond Edition M11 A couple of years back. Yeah, it was like the Daniel Craig one. [00:55:33] Speaker B: Those are pretty gnarly. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Nice. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know if I would. I mean, also, if it's not that much more expensive and you were going to get a black one anyway, then who cares? I'm sure. I'm sure these will be hard to get though, because I'm guessing if they've teamed up with. With Fragment. Fragment person, they're probably very popular. [00:55:56] Speaker C: I think it's only available in Japan, so it's going to be. [00:56:00] Speaker B: And it'll sell out straight away. Yeah, no doubt. So good on them. Let's see. I want to see more. I want to see more and I want to see some wild stuff. Come on. Fujifilm. Let's see a GFX100RF. That's like bright red or something. Let's do something crazy. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Could you imagine? [00:56:16] Speaker B: Imagine? Well, yeah. Green blood. Apparently. There's some news here. Paul says news. Power banks cannot be carried on board domestic flights unless under a hundred or 160 watt hours, depending on the airline. What's it. Hang on. Whatever. Milliwatt hour. 160. I'm trying to figure it. What is that? [00:56:37] Speaker C: It's pretty low. [00:56:38] Speaker B: Is it low? Yeah, from December 1st or 15th, so it's optional. I'll choose 15th if I'm flying before then. [00:56:48] Speaker C: Get your flights in, folks. [00:56:50] Speaker B: Yeah, okay, so hang on, hang on. So Dennis said he went with 4,587 last week. Hang on. Is that your total? Is that each power bank or is that total of all of your stuff? Like, what's the deal? Bruce says on Qantas they said you cannot charge your phone device using the actual inbuilt ports on the chairs. What? Okay, Dennis, you can still carry them but not use them. Can't use them on the flight, but people will. The rules on the size is the same as before. It's about usage. Right. Do you want me to call in again? No, no, no, don't call. [00:57:39] Speaker C: No, no. [00:57:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, so it's not. Although. Cannot be carried on board, domestic, flightless, under. [00:57:48] Speaker C: Yeah, but usage is. Is fine, but like banning usage. But people are going to use them. They're still going to plug them in. People still think it's going to. It's like people that still make phone calls while the plane is taking off. They think it's all a load of crap that, you know, you can't have your phone on and all that sort of thing. Let's, you know, because there was a, there was a recent. I don't know if it was like a Korean airline or, or there was a fire broke out, but that was with the battery bank in the overhead locker. So that wasn't being used. It was just sitting in there, I think. [00:58:21] Speaker B: Passengers on Australian flights will soon be prohibited from using power banks under a new. Under a unanimous move by the major carriers and one endorsed by the aviation. Aviation industry. I can't even talk anymore. In efforts to mitigate fire risks, power banks cannot be charged or used on board any Qantas, Qantas Link and Jetstar flight starting December 15 and Virgin Australia flights from December 1. The airlines announced on Friday the safety measures will apply to all domestic and international services with no exemptions to be granted. As we head into the travel season. Here's what you need to know. While travelers can continue to carry portable power banks on flights, they will no longer be able to use them. Those looking to recharge handheld devices such as mobile phones or laptops and headphones can do so using the in seat USB charging ports where available. They won't power a laptop, you fools. That. They're not even close. Power banks themselves, however, cannot be charged via the ports. Right? So you cannot, you cannot use your power bank to charge or you cannot charge up your power bank while on the plane. You cannot have energy flowing in or out of the power bank. The power bank must be isolated. Passengers will also be required to store power banks where they are easily reachable under the seat, in front seat pocket, or with passengers themselves. Qantas will permit them to be stored in a nearby overhead locker. However, Virgin will not. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that's really smart to have different rules for different airlines. Perfect, right? Maximum number of power banks, two per passenger. Maximum capacity Qantas 160 watt hours per bank. Virgin up to 100 watt hours. Unrestricted 100 to 160. Require airline approval. Oh that, that should be a nice easy process. And over 160 prohibited storage seat pocket under seat, nearby overhead locker. Smart bag. Batteries must be removed. Who would ever buy a smart bag? That is a terrible idea. [01:00:31] Speaker C: What's a smart bag? [01:00:33] Speaker B: It's a bag. So it's like take a bag, just a nice normal suitcase, then have a built in power bank in it. [01:00:41] Speaker C: I've seen those and they've got like a port on the outside that's like. [01:00:44] Speaker B: Buying a T shirt that's got a mobile phone sewn into it. It's like dude, you can separate your technology. You don't need. You know, you're going to need to. You're going to hang on to one longer than the other. One's going to get outdated quicker than the other. And I just think it's a bad idea to have a power inside your suitcase. But if I'm wrong, tell me in the chat. I just think I. I've. I've looked at those tech enabled bags and always thought bags are something that you should be able to buy and have for 15 years. Power bank. No, like what. What USB port are we going to be using in 15 years? What shape will that be? Okay. Storage. Yep. Checked baggage. Prohibited. Prohibited. Okay. While these items are generally safe when packed and handled appropriately, agree this move will minimize any potential risks associated with these devices. Well, why don't we just. What if we prohibit people on planes? That would also minimize the risks. [01:01:41] Speaker C: Or just idiots? Maybe. Yeah. [01:01:44] Speaker B: Will airlines retrofit more in flight charges? No. Passengers can plug their devices directly into the USB charging ports available behind plane seats to offset the power bank band. To offset it. Virgin says it has in seat power on all seats in 88%. All seats in 88% of its Boeing 737 fleet with remaining aircraft to be fully equipped with in seat power by June next year. So there should only be six to seven months where you have roughly a 12% chance of having no power in your flight. [01:02:23] Speaker C: I don't understand why they don't already have it. [01:02:26] Speaker B: Yes, and maybe those planes aren't old if you want to outlaw power banks. Because don't forget, we've been flying with power banks now for how many years? [01:02:35] Speaker A: Lots. [01:02:36] Speaker C: Yeah, lots. [01:02:37] Speaker B: And so all of a sudden we have to do this before the planes are ready to have that technology in them. Even though. Anyway. No, I'm sure it's all very genius. The vast majority of Qantas planes are already. The vast majority already equipped with in seat charging. However, its budget subsidiary Jetstar does not have the facility except on some larger Boeing 787 jets that fly to destinations such as Japan, South Korea and Thailand. Those flying on short domestic flights should seek to have their devices charged up prior to boarding. Good luck with that. There's lots of those at the airport. They're easy to find. Maybe the airport might need more charges. Have we done that yet? Maybe they should have faster water bottle fillers while they're going. Geez, I want to tear tonight. We should move on to a different topic. I'm very negative. [01:03:25] Speaker C: You're very angry. Yeah, just bringing the heat. [01:03:33] Speaker B: I just. I Don't know. This is. Let me. I got to catch up on the chat. [01:03:37] Speaker C: What's making you so angry is the fact that just all the airlines are crooks, or is there something more specific? [01:03:44] Speaker B: The boarding processes are crappy. No one's got any good information in airports. There's just a lot of issues with airline travel that could be solved with some simple A4 laminated signs. [01:03:56] Speaker C: Yeah, you're showing your privilege now. Let's get on to the news. [01:04:00] Speaker B: Privilege of airline travel. Here we go. David Leporati coming in with the assist. This is what I needed to know. 100 watt hours is 2, 700 milliamp hours at 3.7. [01:04:13] Speaker C: No, 27,000. [01:04:15] Speaker B: Oh, 27,000. Sorry. Milliamp hours, which I think is that that was the traditional measurement that a lot of people would, you know, it was like, hey, you can't travel with anything over 27 milliamp hours or whatever. That was the traditional. The way they would communicate it. And now it's changed to, yeah. Bruce says, don't play Candy Crush. Lucinda says she flew on a Jetstar flight to Byron. And they had ports. Are you sure? Yeah. And, yes, this is the. This is the. John Pickett's got the point. 5v, 1amp charging a laptop would be funny. You can barely charge your phone. Exactly. Those ports put out almost nothing. Anyway, Jim wants to start an airline. Lucky airlines. That probably wouldn't go well. Okay, back to the news. [01:05:10] Speaker C: All right, back to the news. We talked about Fujifilm, didn't we? Yep. Let's talk about Nikon. A couple of little bits, nothing huge. There's a Viltrox AF85, I think it was rumored. We brought it up a couple of weeks ago, but that's now officially announced for Z mount. It's a 8514 Pro full frame lens. Viltrox are bringing out some cracking little lenses lately. They're really up in the game and bringing the challenge to the likes of Tamron and Sigma. [01:05:37] Speaker B: And do you think. Do you think they will end up the caliber? Because, remember, Sigma and Tamron, you know, like, when I started, that was a compromise you were making. You're like, wow, this is a great lens for a great price, but it's certainly not what you would get. And then Sigma brought out the Art series, and everyone was like, holy shit, these are contemporaries. These are better in some ways. Like the. Yeah, the 35 mil art. The 50 mil art. People are like, oh, well, it's. It's. You know, the characters, maybe not as nice as the L series Canon, but it's sharper and it was, all of a sudden it was a choice like it was a choice which one's more preferable as opposed to just well I can't afford this one so I'm going to buy that one. [01:06:22] Speaker C: Yeah. And, and I think on a, on a side note, I think that probably scares the out of Canon now. Yeah. They have gotten so close and they haven't shared their mount yet. And should they, you know people are going to start jumping ship to, to Sigma, Tamron depending who they do a deal with. But, but yeah, the Viltra, I think eventually they'll, they'll continue to up their. [01:06:42] Speaker B: Game, you know and it maybe end up on that, on that stage at some, at some point where they're actually playing alongside Tamron and Sigma and they're not just another weird third party brand. They're actually. [01:06:56] Speaker C: Yeah. And they're becoming more known, they're becoming more trusted. They're, you know, they're producing lenses for a wide range of mounts. Yeah. Which is great. Competition is good. [01:07:08] Speaker B: It is good. [01:07:10] Speaker C: What else? There's a new little mini retro flash that was announced for, I think it was for a number of different camera systems but they, I picked it up on the Nikon Rumors website by a brand called Zeniko Z E N I K o. It's a ZA12 mini retro flash. It looks really good on the new, on those Canon, on the Canon Nikon, the zfs. Yeah. They're sort of retro styled mirrorless cameras that they have. [01:07:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:36] Speaker C: Okay. [01:07:38] Speaker B: It's got a silver and a black, the dials film black and retro silver. Ooh, matte finish. Restoring the vintage camera body aesthetic. [01:07:49] Speaker C: They're quite little. And even, even more importantly the panel with a light, you know with the filter for the light is at the very front is tiny. So it's, you know, it's, it's not going to produce a lot of light. No, it's just, it's already throttled. [01:08:05] Speaker B: Camera straps. Bargain. [01:08:06] Speaker C: Oh, look at those. [01:08:08] Speaker B: Just 60 grams, super compact. Yeah. Throw it in your pocket, pop it on when you need it. Auto mode accurate exposure type C charging port. Don't charge it on the airplane. [01:08:20] Speaker C: No. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Free diffuser included. [01:08:26] Speaker C: Yeah. The freezer looks weird though. Kind of destroys the look of it. [01:08:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:08:31] Speaker C: Anyway, who cares? What else have we got going on? I picked this up from so many rumors. Just very quickly. You don't need to bring this one up boss, but Lauer are planning to release a tilt shift shift 17 mil F4 with a Sony mount and a tilt shift 35 mil, 2.8 macro, 0.5 magnifications. So Lauer continued to. To bring out those lenses that really push the fringe of, you know, what you can do with glass. That's where they've always sort of made the, you know, kind of stake their claim in those sort of fringe. Ultra wide macro, specialist macro lenses, those sorts of things. So, yeah, they're working on that, which is lovely. [01:09:20] Speaker B: Now he does give me the tilt shifts. [01:09:24] Speaker C: Yeah, tilt shift macro would be interesting. That'd be fun. Can't get my head around it, but. [01:09:30] Speaker A: It would be fun. [01:09:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you're right. It'd be. It'd be tricky, but, yeah, once you got your head around it, it would be fun. You could follow the plane of a leaf, you know, like. [01:09:40] Speaker C: Yeah, you could do some really creative. [01:09:42] Speaker B: Stuff, but, yeah, it'd be tricky. [01:09:43] Speaker C: Yep, Yep. We've already talked about the Leica Q3, and just for reference, I do have a price from the Australian, like a store. Where is it? How do I buy it? What was. Jim, could you send me Justin's credit card number again, please? It's $12,090. [01:10:04] Speaker B: Look at it. It's so plain. [01:10:06] Speaker C: It is, yeah. So it hasn't got the red dot and it's got a different grip. So the textured material that they've used has gone back to the older leather style rather than the newer, funkier. [01:10:17] Speaker B: It is different. Yeah, it's cool. It is. [01:10:21] Speaker C: I. I don't like the way the light meter there, underneath the. [01:10:26] Speaker B: This little thing. [01:10:27] Speaker C: What is that? The shutter speed dial on the Leica. That little tiny little. It just. It feels like it needs a frame around it. Like it just kind of almost looks like a bit of a gap in the. In the texture of the wrap. [01:10:36] Speaker B: If it's. If it's visible, make it a little bit more of a feature. Like make it put a little bezel, little. Finish it off. [01:10:42] Speaker C: Yeah, little frame it somehow just make it neater. That's my view. I'll write a letter tomorrow. [01:10:48] Speaker B: Do that. [01:10:49] Speaker C: That's it for Leica. We've already covered that. The only other thing another camera released, which was the DJI Osmo Action 6, which I know nothing about, but they released it. [01:11:02] Speaker B: If these are Leica, if these are Leica brand filters, what do you reckon they cost? [01:11:07] Speaker C: About 280. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Each. [01:11:10] Speaker C: Yep. [01:11:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you'd be. Should we. Should we see if they actually have them? [01:11:15] Speaker C: Actually, there's a. There's a guy I. I don't know if Greg Carrick might remember this walk. We're on a walk once, Robert Owen Jones, who's a Fuji photographer living and working in Ghana and he came to Melbourne for a street walk and his friend was carrying a Q2 monochrome. They did a monochrome Q2, didn't they? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he just had an orange filter on it. Just didn't take it off. Had it on the whole time. And he loved. [01:11:42] Speaker B: Would be fun. [01:11:44] Speaker C: It would be fun. [01:11:45] Speaker B: But I can't even find them on here. Maybe they're not actually available. Maybe it's just something that looks cool in marketing. [01:11:51] Speaker C: And there you go. What's that one? [01:11:53] Speaker B: Filter green. How much? What? How much is it? [01:12:00] Speaker C: Pre order? [01:12:02] Speaker B: 290. So close. [01:12:06] Speaker C: It's close. [01:12:07] Speaker B: Yeah, Very close. Wow. [01:12:11] Speaker C: Yep. [01:12:13] Speaker B: Crazy. [01:12:13] Speaker C: Yep. Moving right along. [01:12:16] Speaker B: It's. It's only the price of 54 deluxe lucky straps. That's right. [01:12:20] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. Which is more from Justin and you can have one. That's the math. That works. [01:12:26] Speaker B: Yeah, that works. [01:12:28] Speaker C: DJI Osmo Action 6. [01:12:29] Speaker B: Yes. [01:12:30] Speaker C: Has launched the standard combo in Australia which is just. The camera is 700. There is also like an action bundle, I think from memory. Yeah, there's an action bundle at Ted's for a couple of hundred bucks more. 839 comes with some spare bits and pieces. [01:12:44] Speaker B: It's a good upgrade. A good little upgrade. You wouldn't, I mean, unless you're doing a ton of, you know, mountain biking and stuff like that or whatever, you wouldn't go and upgrade your five to the six unless you. [01:12:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:12:57] Speaker B: You know, unless you're a professional that needs an action cam. It doesn't have a ton of big upgrades. It should be better in low light. It's got a better sensor for vertical and being able to crop and all that sort of stuff. It still has the same tech where you can directly connect the DJI mics, which is one of the biggest features for these. [01:13:14] Speaker C: Yeah, that's good too. [01:13:15] Speaker B: That ecosystem the same as my podcast Pocket three does. So great addition to a bigger system. Great action camera. If you were just starting fresh and like which action camera to buy, it should definitely be on the list alongside the Hero 13, the GoPro Hero 13 and the Insta360 Ace Pro 2, whatever it is. But yeah, they're all, they're all so similar that you can, you can get great footage out of any of them. But also if you're going to invest seven or eight hundred bucks on one of these Little cameras, you might as well get the best one. Yeah, but, but they're all, they're all very close these days. [01:13:48] Speaker C: Yeah, but the other thing is that if you're in the usa, I'm sorry to say, but you might struggle to get one now and in the future because they're on the. [01:14:06] Speaker B: Yeah, there's still no, there's still no resolution with that, is it? So technically like DJI products just aren't being released in the States. [01:14:14] Speaker C: No. And the DGI are campaigning quite heavily with, with creators, photographers, videographers, film, anyone they can to push back on, on Congress and, or whatever the law making system is there that makes these sorts of decisions. But they, I read an article today that sort of talked about how DJI are saying that, which is very much in vogue at the moment with the American, you know, government administration, is that there is no due process. It's just that they haven't been given a chance to, to really voice their, their opposition to this decision to ban a Chinese made product. [01:14:52] Speaker B: Which is interesting because. So it would be interesting to know the real inside story because there are tons of Chinese companies selling stuff into the U.S. so what, what is it that really, you know. [01:15:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:08] Speaker B: Made them worry about DJI specifically? Obviously it was the drone tech, but like, because there's, there's tons of other stuff. I know there's some phones that don't come into the states as well, maybe. But this Huawei, does that go into the States? I don't know. [01:15:22] Speaker C: No, but there was something about them, wasn't there? [01:15:24] Speaker B: Yeah, there was something about them. There's been some stuff, but it's like. Yeah, and this is what I think, I think Rick Nelson's right. There has to be more to the story that we aren't being told from both sides. And I think that that's probably right because they don't, they wouldn't just pick a company and be like, no, not you, but everyone else is fine for no reason. But also it wouldn't surprise me if they just dug their heels in and were like, I don't know, we want our drone tech to catch up, so we're going to push you out quite possibly so that drone startups in the US have a, have a market to sell to to fund more R and D for more drone stuff, you know what I mean? So they can get the ball rolling with their own tech, which could take five years, but then eventually maybe because consumers are looking for a drone to buy and there's no DJI's, maybe some company can actually get going. And then, you know, the US isn't falling behind in drone tech. I don't know. I'm sure there's something. [01:16:20] Speaker C: Or there's. There's genuine national security risks, which is fine. [01:16:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:26] Speaker C: But, you know, I mean, the USA jumped on. What was it? Tick Tock, which was a Singaporean run by a Singaporean citizen. And. And they were. They were convinced that Tick Tock was, you know, Chinese government propaganda, and it was all being used to harvest data off Americans. And they get very. I mean, we saw it during the Cold War, but now China is the new sort of public enemy of the United States. And. And I think given how well DJI are doing, they probably don't like the fact that, you know, they've probably done some modeling and saying that, you know, there could be DJI products in every household before long. With the. What? There's bikes. They do electric bikes. They do robot vacuums now. They do a whole bunch of stuff. [01:17:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Other vacuums, you know, they like lidar. Scan the whole house. [01:17:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:16] Speaker B: Yes. [01:17:17] Speaker C: And they follow you around the house and record your conversations and send them home. Probably people's. What is it? The People's Republic of China? Is that what it is? Anyway, let's move on from that because it's yucky. But that's the end of the news. [01:17:32] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the end of the news. Okay, cool. Should we move on to what you got up to? [01:17:39] Speaker C: Yeah, let's talk about. Fill the frame to the music. The music. Do you want to bring up the images? Because I can't find the folder now. [01:17:49] Speaker B: No, I can. I've got them here. Just give me one moment. [01:17:52] Speaker C: There's a few repeats because. So there's a lot of images that look the same. And the reason being is that I shot these for someone who I'll make clear in a moment, and I just sent them the whole lot. Anyway, so a few months ago now, quite a few months ago, we interviewed and chatted. We've chatted a couple of times with Andrew Chapman, who is, you know, a very prolific Australian photographer. We've had him on the show, we've talked about his work. He's published countless books. And more recently, he was on the show to talk about his latest book, which is a retrospective of his life's work. So Andrew Chapman's been photographing for over 55 years. He has photographed, I think, every Australian Prime Minister in that time. Lots of political stuff. He loves going out into the Australian bush, into the outback and into rural Community and photographing projects there. He was a photojournalist for, you know, local and leading national daily papers and he has just photographed a ton of stuff. Anyway, so his book, Fill the Frame, we talked about it here on the show. When he had this book launch at the Ballarat International Photo Biennale. What was that like? Just around beef up time, I think it was the same weekend, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, so we couldn't go, but he had his launch there and it was successful. And Michael Coyne, who we've also had on the show because we get all the greats here at the Camera Life, Michael Coyne did an intro for him at the. At the Ballarat Photo Bienniali. And. And so he was coming to Melbourne and on the weekend he held an event which was just a talk about the book and then a book signing for anyone that wanted to buy or had bought the book for his latest book, Fill the Frame, which is not actually his latest book because there's another one that's about to come out as well. But basically, feel the Frame is his life's work. It's a retrospective collection of the things that he has seen and captured. And it's a stunning book and quite a big book. Lots of images. Anyway, so he was there, he did a talk for about an hour and a half and then he did a book signing. And Sasha and I, my partner Sasha, we went along and, yeah, we sat there and listened to him talk about some of his stories about, you know, capturing photos and. And it ranged from everything from, you know, particular assignments that he was on right through to what was involved with actually getting the book printed and, and choosing images and what goes into actually choosing images in a photo book. And it was really fascinating. And so, yeah, so we went and I, I took some photos of Andrew in black and white. Fancy that. I didn't have a monochrome camera. [01:20:36] Speaker B: Fancy that. [01:20:37] Speaker C: Fancy that. [01:20:38] Speaker B: Was it daunting taking photos of someone like Andrew Chapman in black and white, knowing that? [01:20:43] Speaker C: I tried not to think about it too much and, And I think was more daunting sending him the link because I didn't want him coming back saying, oh, these are soft, these are terrible. But I just wanted to. I just. No one else was there with the camera, which I thought was really bizarre. Everyone was just listening politely and I was snapping away. And yeah, so I sent him some shots and just said, here, this is what I captured. And I thought I'd share them tonight because it's a nice story and it's a nice arc For Andrew and us, that we followed him on this journey and supported him and been here when he's wanted to talk about it. And I don't think I've ever met a more natural storyteller. He just knows how to tell a story and captivate an audience, whether it be with his images or. And with his words and experiences, so. Really? [01:21:31] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:21:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, it's a black and white of a color. Sorry, there's a color of a black and white photo. [01:21:37] Speaker B: Oh, look, I see what you did there. That's a nice one. Very good. Yeah, very nice. [01:21:45] Speaker C: And the. There was a photo of him sitting with another guy while he was talking. And that guy, I believe, is the guy that runs 10 Bag Press, which is the publisher that Andrew uses for his. Most of his books now. [01:21:56] Speaker B: Ah, yes. [01:21:57] Speaker C: And he was doing the intro and he would. He was sort of guide conversation when Andrew would get a bit lost in the woods with the story. But, yeah, it was lovely. I got to meet a few people. A friend of the show, Roger Highland, he was there. So I got to catch up with Rog. Hadn't seen him for quite some time, so we had a chat, which was lovely. And he had a book and he got Andrew to sign it and, yeah, it was just a lovely event. Good. [01:22:21] Speaker B: Awesome. This. Yeah, there's. Those things are happening all the time all around us, and it's sort of like unless you actively go looking for them, you can sometimes miss them. [01:22:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:22:31] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [01:22:32] Speaker C: There was no cost for this. It was held in Magnet Gallery at Docklands in. In Melbourne and. Which is a. To get to. But, you know, we got there, especially without a car, but we got there and, you know, it was, you know, we just got to hear him tell stories for a couple of hours and then. And they had a big screen up and they were, you know, cycling through images. [01:22:54] Speaker B: Oh, that's awesome. So the images were coming up at the same time. [01:22:57] Speaker C: Yeah, not. Not in. Not in. Not sort of synced in with what he was talking about, but it just gave you sort of, you know, some. Some eye candy to. To appreciate while he was telling his stories. And. And Sash, who hadn't seen his work before, she. She was blown away by just the breadth and depth of what he's been able to achieve in his life. And being a. Being a nurse, Sash was really interested in. In all of the transplant stuff that he'd been doing. [01:23:22] Speaker B: Of course. Yeah. [01:23:23] Speaker C: Not just his own transplant, but the transplants he'd photographed of other. Other patients going through life. Life Changing surgery. So, yeah, it was really cool. And I hadn't met him before in person, we'd spoken about three times on the show. But it was great just to, you know, stand there and look him in the eye and shake his hand and saying, this is awesome. Awesome. [01:23:42] Speaker D: Well done. [01:23:44] Speaker C: So, but you're right, I mean, this sort of stuff is going on in lots of places and it's just about keeping your ear to the ground, you know, and. And it all comes back to supporting community. For me, I wanted to go and show my support to him. He's put in 55 years of documenting Melbourne and Australia and the country. I think the least I could do is show up, you know, as an interested person and a mate and just hang out for a couple of hours and hear what he's got to say. [01:24:12] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, very cool. I would have loved to have come. That's amazing. [01:24:17] Speaker C: Yeah, well, you weren't there, so, you know, I wasn't. [01:24:20] Speaker B: I don't know. I might be there on Wednesday. I might be down there on Wednesday. Oh, yeah, we'll have some fun. [01:24:25] Speaker C: We will, we will. Oh, I'll pack a picnic and I'll wear my best frock. That's it for fill the frame. [01:24:34] Speaker B: Nice. Well, I guess that takes us onto my segment called Guess the Setup now. [01:24:41] Speaker C: Your segment. [01:24:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know how this is gonna work, but anyway, I had some photos to show and I thought, you know what, instead of just showing you some photos I took, let's have a bit of fun. So I went to the Bendigo show, good old fashioned carnies and whatnot with my nephew. I know three or four weeks ago, whenever it was three weeks ago, and we took the camera, he actually took some shots. I'm not going to show those. Maybe I'll show them on another show. But he took some shots. They are better. They're definitely more creative. But then I grabbed the camera once we got inside and he was doing stuff, I grabbed the camera and, and took some shots and I thought I'd whip through them today and process them. I process them in black and white. So these are edited photos edited in lightroom. Not really cropped. Like I straightened one of them, one of them I cropped a little bit. But most of them are basically as shot. So keep that in mind. I'm going to show you the images and Greg and the chat. If they want to participate. We're going to play 20 questions. You have 20 questions to which I can only answer yes or no for you to determine what I Shot these images with. Okay. So camera or camera and lens, you know, depending on what you think it was. That's what we need to get to. To the best of your ability. Right. [01:26:15] Speaker C: Okay. Let's give you credit. [01:26:17] Speaker B: If it's something that, you know, if you're not sure, like, I'll. We'll see how close we can get. Let's at least try and get to, like, focal lengths of the lens or whatever. But it was. It was not. I didn't take a bag of stuff. I took one setup. [01:26:31] Speaker C: Right. [01:26:31] Speaker B: If that makes sense. [01:26:32] Speaker C: It does with you so far. [01:26:36] Speaker B: All right, Ready to play? [01:26:39] Speaker C: Yeah, let's go. [01:26:41] Speaker B: All right, let's do this. [01:26:45] Speaker C: So I can only ask you yes? No. Is that right? [01:26:47] Speaker B: I can only. You can ask me anything you want. I'm only going to answer yes or no. You've got 20 questions. [01:26:54] Speaker C: What is going on there? [01:26:56] Speaker B: That's two questions down. [01:26:59] Speaker C: Oh, come on. [01:27:02] Speaker B: That's not a question. So I'll give you that one. But the first two definitely were questions. [01:27:06] Speaker C: That's not a question. [01:27:07] Speaker B: And so you said, what am I looking at? I can't answer yes or no to that. And you said. Said, what's going on there? I couldn't answer yes or no to that. So it's two questions down. What's your next question? [01:27:15] Speaker C: Okay. Was it a film camera? [01:27:27] Speaker B: No. [01:27:29] Speaker C: Okay. Was it a Canon? [01:27:31] Speaker B: I'll show you some more images. It was a Canon. [01:27:36] Speaker C: It was a Canon, Yes. [01:27:39] Speaker B: Sorry, I should just say yes. [01:27:40] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. That'd be nice if you play your own rules. [01:27:43] Speaker B: If I play my own rules. [01:27:45] Speaker C: Let me look at it. Is it a 28 millimeter lens, full frame? [01:28:04] Speaker B: There's a lot of silence there. I don't know how to answer that question. [01:28:07] Speaker A: Right. [01:28:07] Speaker C: Okay, we'll just. We'll just park that one. We'll just put that in reserve for the moment. [01:28:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll give you a freebie for that one where you can try re answer. [01:28:14] Speaker C: You can't answer the question, but I benefit. Okay. Oh, I can't remember what I've already asked. I've already forgotten. [01:28:25] Speaker B: There's some in the chat if you want to use any chat questions. [01:28:28] Speaker C: Let's go with Dennis. Is it a prime? [01:28:33] Speaker B: It is not a prime. [01:28:34] Speaker C: It is not a prime. [01:28:35] Speaker B: Okay, that's five questions. [01:28:37] Speaker C: John Pickett. Is the camera a dslr? [01:28:41] Speaker B: It is not a dslr. [01:28:45] Speaker C: Yeah, you're right. Greg Carrick. Greg Carrick's onto something there. He says that means it's a zoom lens. I think you're right, mate. Okay, so was it a Canon camera? Did we ask that? [01:28:58] Speaker B: I think you did. What was the answer? Well, if you can't remember, that's a question that I can't answer. Yes or no to that. How many is that? You're up to seven. That was a question. That's eight. I've got to try and drag this segment out. I was worried you were going to guess it in two questions. Okay. [01:29:23] Speaker C: Dennis has gone straight for the. Straight for the kill. Was the R5 with the 24 to 70? [01:29:30] Speaker B: It was not the R5 with the 24 to seventy. Let me show you some more because. Because I think more. There's. There's more images and that might help give you some context. I like this one sort of echoes this. This one. [01:29:54] Speaker C: Oh, I see now. [01:29:55] Speaker B: Is it, do you reckon? This is crazy. They charge for this. So they literally. They blow the. They. They put him in this plastic ball deflated, and then they just stick a leaf blower in there and blow it up with a leaf blower. What could go wrong? And then just. Yeah, exactly. And then toss him into a pool. Yeah. What kind of Carney Fucked. [01:30:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm sure for 100 years. [01:30:18] Speaker B: Look at him, too. This is him exiting the ball after his 20 minutes of just floating around in there. He had a great time. I think it was the most fun he had for the whole day. But these might give you a little bit more context. [01:30:44] Speaker C: Is it. Was it shot with the G7X? [01:30:48] Speaker B: It was not. [01:30:51] Speaker C: We're not on the right path there, Lucinda. [01:30:53] Speaker B: Halfway through. [01:30:56] Speaker C: Halfway through. [01:30:58] Speaker B: As in you've done 10 questions, you got 10 more. You'll be right. [01:31:02] Speaker C: Come on, Chat, help me out here. I'm struggling, clearly. Was it your R3? [01:31:14] Speaker B: It was not the R3. [01:31:26] Speaker C: Lucinda wants to know, is it a camera you use for your professional work? [01:31:31] Speaker B: Yes. [01:31:34] Speaker C: So it's the R5 II. [01:31:37] Speaker B: Yes. [01:31:40] Speaker C: Okay, we've got the camera, folks. [01:31:45] Speaker B: This was a good. This is actually a good guess, though, because that. I probably could have got a lot of these photos with that. Rick Nelson said his phone is. I'm not gonna. This isn't a question, but his phone. Using the Leica camera app, I probably could have got close to a lot of these. Obviously they wouldn't look as good, but you could probably get close to this look with that. [01:32:10] Speaker C: Okay, so Andrea Ferrari underwater, wants to know, Is it the 20. Is it a 24 to 70? [01:32:17] Speaker B: It is not a 24 to 70. [01:32:22] Speaker C: Is it a 24 to 105? [01:32:25] Speaker B: It is not a 24 to 105. Let me show you some more images. I went down the slide in the fun house. Vaughan was happy about that. [01:32:43] Speaker C: Is it a 28 to 70? [01:32:47] Speaker B: It is. [01:32:49] Speaker C: That's a nice photo. [01:32:51] Speaker B: It is a 28 to 70. That's a selfie of us on the DODGYM cards. And I think. I think that's close enough to give it to you. It's. It's the R5 Mark II with a 28 to 70 lens in. Boring. Now, you've 16 questions. [01:33:07] Speaker C: Now that you put it like that. [01:33:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Look, everyone was getting onto it. Oh, David thought it was a 16 to 35. Well, I tell you what. And this is what was really interesting. I looked at the metadata I afterwards, and the vast majority of the images were shot at 28. [01:33:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:33:22] Speaker B: And there was one image at, like, 35, 1 or 2 at, you know, near 50 and 1 or 2 near 70. But the vast majority of them were in that 28 mil range. [01:33:36] Speaker C: Nice. [01:33:38] Speaker B: So, yeah, most of the ones like this. [01:33:40] Speaker C: You bought him a knife. You're a good uncle. [01:33:42] Speaker B: It's a sword. So, like, that would be 28. 28. That's probably 50 or 70. [01:33:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:33:51] Speaker B: 28. 28. 28. 28.28. You know, so it was like the vast majority of the documentary stuff. I obviously gravitate towards that. [01:34:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:34:01] Speaker B: Focal length a little bit wider. [01:34:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:34:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Buying that lens, that. That would have been 70. A little bit compressed. [01:34:10] Speaker C: That looks too. [01:34:11] Speaker B: Yeah. That might be in a bit. I don't know if it's the 70, but maybe it's like 35 or 50 or something. 28. That might be in a little bit. And then. Don't know about that one. We can have a look. Where does it say. Does it say focal length? 33 mil? So just in a touch. Nice. [01:34:37] Speaker C: Very cool. They're great images, too. [01:34:39] Speaker B: John Pickett says, how did you shoot a selfie with the 28 to 70 without snapping your arm off? Now, John, it's not the 28 to 70 F2. It's the 2.8 RF. It's the light one. The F2 is the big, heavy beast. This is the 2.8. And it's wonderful for, like, a day like this. It's light. I just had them over my shoulder the whole time. No camera bag, no nothing, and took it on all the rides and stuff. It's. It's light and it's not as expensive. It's. It seems pretty durable. It doesn't feel like you're swinging this giant, heavy camera around and it doesn't look, even though it's, you know, the R5 Mark II is a pro body, but that lens not having the fancy red ring on it, not being big, you don't look much different to someone with a kit lens. Dslr. Really? [01:35:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:35:23] Speaker B: Looks pretty unassuming. [01:35:25] Speaker C: Yeah. So, yeah, it's not like an R3 or an R1 that's, you know, makes people stop and gasp. [01:35:32] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. And this big red ring looking lens, that's real fancy. Yeah. [01:35:38] Speaker C: Oh, nice. Well done. [01:35:39] Speaker B: Anyway, was that fun? [01:35:40] Speaker C: What a lovely day to spend with you, with your nephew. That's awesome. [01:35:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it was good. It was good. It was good. Fun to get the. Hang on, I got this. I'm just getting everyone's images sorted. It was good to get out and hang out with him, but also bring the camera just to get a few shots and have a bit of fun, play around. Well, Eddie gave me something to do while he was on rides and I was just standing there watching him, so. [01:36:04] Speaker C: Yep. Nice. Very nice. [01:36:08] Speaker B: Good job. Sixteen questions. You nailed it. Well done. I'm gonna have to. Next time. I'm gonna. I had help. I'm gonna pick some weird. I'm gonna find like a weird camera, weird lens to do. All right, should we do the last segment? Everyone else's images. [01:36:24] Speaker C: Yeah, let's look at everyone else's images. Yeah. [01:36:31] Speaker B: Don't forget, if you're listening along and you want your images to be featured on next week's show, send it into justinuckystraps.com. you don't have to listen live. You can send them in and we can. You can listen back later. It's totally fine. Yeah, and it says. That was fun. Great segment. Okay, we'll try and try and come up with some more of those things. Yeah, we can do that. [01:36:50] Speaker C: We can do anything. [01:36:52] Speaker B: We're men. [01:36:53] Speaker C: White men. [01:36:58] Speaker B: Trying to get us canceled. [01:37:01] Speaker C: No, they can't because we're white men. [01:37:05] Speaker B: We're uncancelable. It'll probably make us more popular, if anything. Okay, an amazing image here from Andrea Ferrari. Hey there, first time listener and wanted to share some of my latest photos from my trip to Indonesia with you. Feel free to roast me. Well, it's hard because this is a great photo roast. About this, I'd love to know. Hang on. Let's see if we got any metadata and roast you for not having metadata in your files. What have we got here? Z6. Nikon Z6. 500th of a second, 2.8. Can't find the ISO in this data. [01:37:47] Speaker C: Where is it? [01:37:48] Speaker B: It's hiding at 35 mil, but very nice. [01:37:51] Speaker C: Yeah, it is nice. [01:37:52] Speaker B: And we play guess the lens on these. [01:37:54] Speaker C: Beautiful color. Like, beautiful light form. [01:37:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:58] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [01:38:00] Speaker B: That's like a. That's an influencer shot if ever I saw one. [01:38:04] Speaker C: That's amazing. [01:38:04] Speaker B: It's beautiful. Yeah, beautiful shot. F9. Plenty of depth of field, 24 mil. What lens is it? Is it a 24 to 105? Lucinda reckon she's onto the ISO? I can't tell. [01:38:26] Speaker C: Two fiftieth. [01:38:28] Speaker B: Oh, there it is, right underneath manual. Yeah. 200. Whoa. [01:38:33] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [01:38:35] Speaker B: That's a cool shot. You gotta get closer. [01:38:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Because it's tiny on my screen. [01:38:41] Speaker B: But hang on, let me. Oh, look at that. [01:38:46] Speaker C: Look. Geez, look at that. Oh, that's amazing. What a. What an incredible subject to shoot. Hey, you didn't see that every day. [01:38:55] Speaker B: No, you do not see that every day. Hang on. [01:38:58] Speaker C: And the layers of the. Of the mountains leading back to it. Very cool. [01:39:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a great shot. [01:39:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:39:06] Speaker B: F10, 100th of a second. ISO 640. Very, very nice shot. Great edit, too, of the tones. I could never pull off an edit like that. I always get. I don't know. I love seeing other people's images. And then when I try and edit my own shots, if I go for, like, a more muted look, I want to bring the contrast and stuff. Oh, this has got plenty of contrast. I don't know what, like, saturation. I would end. I would probably pump the saturation more, but I don't think this should have it. This looks amazing the way it is, but I think if this was my shot, I would be tempted to pump more saturation into it. [01:39:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I think you're overthinking it. [01:39:54] Speaker B: I think you know what I mean. [01:39:56] Speaker C: I've seen your colored shots, and they're beautiful. They're well balanced, and they suit the subject. I think it also depends on what you're shooting. [01:40:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but do you know what I mean? Where it's like, you see someone else's edit and you're like, that looks awesome. But then, yes, we all do that. [01:40:10] Speaker C: We all show a hand who does that. [01:40:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. I try and do it to my own, and I'm cautious. I'm like, oh, that maybe I'm doing it wrong or I should. I don't know this or that. But yeah, I like this color palette. Perfect. [01:40:25] Speaker C: Yeah, it is beautiful color palette. [01:40:28] Speaker B: Like, it's 24 to 72.8. Very nice. Is that the only Lens you took over there or did you take a whole kit? I'm interested to know Bruce is loving it. Tweak is loving it. Rick Nelson's loving it. Dennis says, bloody hell. That volcano shot is slay. [01:40:49] Speaker C: It is slay. Very slay. [01:40:52] Speaker B: It's just a small mountain fart. Oh, dear. Web promotion says, cool shots. Very cool, very nice. Yeah, great work. Thank you. Thanks for sending him in. [01:41:03] Speaker C: Yeah, that's really cool. And welcome. Stick around. [01:41:06] Speaker B: Welcome, welcome. Speaking of mountain farts, Bruce is up next. Hey, Brucey. How good is this? [01:41:16] Speaker C: Yeah, I've been saying this all day. [01:41:18] Speaker B: I need to. Hang on. I sent another one in. Come to. Hang on. Let me get this one first. Hanging out with a mate in Alice Springs. It's so good. It flips me upside down. Hang on, I gotta get his other one. [01:41:34] Speaker C: Yeah. It messes with your head, doesn't it? [01:41:35] Speaker B: It does. It looks awesome. [01:41:37] Speaker C: It does. [01:41:38] Speaker B: I don't know. So how do you decide when it like when you would have it, the photo be upside down? I don't know. Yeah. How does that work? [01:41:49] Speaker C: I don't know. [01:41:52] Speaker B: How do you look at a shot and think this should be the other way around? [01:41:59] Speaker C: This was shot with a 70 to 202.8 shot with a headlight. Car headlight coming from. From the. [01:42:07] Speaker B: From camera left. Camera left. But actually camera right. But camera left. Depending on if you. [01:42:14] Speaker C: Yeah, it would be. Oh, that really messes with your head. And Bruce, he says, just thought it was fun to try. [01:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I love it. I just, I. Again, this is another one of those things where it's like, I wouldn't know when to do that. And then if I did do it, I would be like, is that right or should I not do it? Or I'd overthink it, I think. [01:42:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:35] Speaker B: And another shot from Bruce processed while listening tonight. A7R3.7200F 2.8. Beautiful. [01:42:43] Speaker C: I love the color. It's beautiful. And it's just got that soft glow. [01:42:53] Speaker B: No blown out highlights. [01:42:55] Speaker C: No. [01:42:59] Speaker B: Well done. Do you have to take that into Photoshop or just done in Lightroom? [01:43:05] Speaker C: Bruce. [01:43:12] Speaker B: Clay pans just outside of Alice Springs. I bet there's. There's often some people doing donuts in their four wheel drives. Oh, camera raw. That's right. You're a professional. And yeah. Car wreck behind the tree. I'm sure. Yes, there's been many hoon session. [01:43:37] Speaker C: Very cool. What else? [01:43:41] Speaker B: We've got David Leporati. More from his foggy morning. He said, I'm going to find the email where Is it? Where is it? [01:43:49] Speaker C: Where is it? [01:43:50] Speaker B: Here it is. Another from last week's foggy morning sunrise with Sea mist, which was shot with the X, E2 and XF 55 to 200 lenses and also included a proof sheet just so we could see what the whole shoot looked like, which I reckon is cool. [01:44:07] Speaker C: That is cool. [01:44:08] Speaker B: Yeah, we can see the, you know. [01:44:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:44:11] Speaker B: The sequence. Gosh, there's some good shots in there that boats like a photo prop. Proof sheet's awesome. [01:44:26] Speaker C: That's a great idea. [01:44:28] Speaker B: And what else did we have? Oh. Oh, no. I was. I was zoomed out. This one is super macro caterpillar shot with Canon 7D plus EF100 macro lens and extension tubes. Look at it. Same. Wow. [01:44:55] Speaker C: That'S amazing. [01:44:57] Speaker B: Are you jealous of David's macro capabilities? Have you ever gotten that close? [01:45:02] Speaker C: No, not with that level of detail and sharpness. Like, that's just. That's insane. [01:45:07] Speaker B: And finally, this one's titled Image 05 Very Small Bug. Oh, wow. How good is that detail? [01:45:18] Speaker C: And the way that he's gotten the bug to pose is just. That's flawless. [01:45:24] Speaker B: What did you tell it to pose like that? [01:45:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:45:27] Speaker B: Chin up, chin up, chin up. So very small bug shot on Fuji XT1 and the XF35 1.4 plus 10 mil and 16 millimeter extension tubes. Godox Twin MF12 macro flashes. [01:45:42] Speaker C: Not even with a macro lens. He just dropped a couple of macro tubes on it. [01:45:47] Speaker B: Crazy. It looks amazing. [01:45:51] Speaker C: Really great. [01:45:53] Speaker B: Bruce says, very nice macro. Rick says, holy macro. Lucinda says, I'm gonna have nightmares tonight. [01:45:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:46:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Epic shots. Epic macro. Look at the details. Just crazy. Let me see if we can enhance. [01:46:11] Speaker C: Wow. [01:46:11] Speaker B: Look at it. Yeah, look at it. You gotta get some tubes, Greg. [01:46:18] Speaker C: Yeah. I've shot with those tubes before. [01:46:20] Speaker B: Have you? [01:46:21] Speaker C: They're challenging. They. They really slice the focal plane down to a. Like wafer thin. [01:46:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:46:28] Speaker C: Slice of in focus. They're great. Especially if you don't have a macro lens because, you know, they're a lot cheaper than buying a macro lens. But. [01:46:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:36] Speaker C: Yeah, they're tricky to work with. I think one day I'd really like to get the. The. Because I've got the Fujifilm. What have I got? Like the 32.8 macro? I want the 80 mil. I think the 80 mil would be the way to go. [01:46:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:46:52] Speaker C: Someday. [01:46:53] Speaker B: David says the bug was so small, I didn't see it until I looked through the lens. Wow, that's so good. [01:47:01] Speaker C: That's with manual focus too. [01:47:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Look at the eye. [01:47:07] Speaker C: That's Crazy. David, well done. [01:47:09] Speaker B: Tweet production says awesome macro. Can't wait to get us set up to get this close. Yeah, yeah. Lucinda says the unit of measurement of a bees dick is appropriate for this application. [01:47:25] Speaker C: It really is. [01:47:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:47:26] Speaker C: That's where it came from. [01:47:27] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah, yeah, we're all big fans. That's. That's epic. Makes me want to shoot macro. [01:47:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:47:35] Speaker B: And then flipping in a completely different direction, but from another David. I love that we've got regular David's. It's freaking awesome. And they're both like. The work is always epic. More street portraits from San Francisco, but this time black and white. And I think. Let me just check. I think these were shot with the D810, D3 and D810. Yeah. And more street portraits from the San Francisco area. I think he said one of these guys. I think he said the one with the beard. So it must be this guy. Maybe. Unless I've got the. The order mixed up. He said he used to bring him coffees and chatted to him for about three months before even taking his photo. And. Oh, wow. And it ended up being the guy's suggestion to take the photo. So I don't know if it was definitely this guy, but I'm pretty sure in the email it said that it was the guy with the beard. And surely that's the guy with the beard. To kill a beard. [01:48:38] Speaker C: It is. Yeah. [01:48:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I love these shots. Yeah. That's incredible. [01:48:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:48:46] Speaker B: Beautiful. Yeah. Sharp, too. On my screen, you probably can't see it through. Through the magic of the Internet, but, man. [01:48:59] Speaker C: This is where the. The power of monochrome photography. [01:49:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's. [01:49:05] Speaker C: If you're doing street portraits, it's just. [01:49:07] Speaker B: It's like. Yeah, look through. And you just. Like that. It's just. [01:49:11] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:49:13] Speaker B: The eyes and that one. Yeah. Great lighting. Great, Great situation, but also great expressions. There's so much, like. There's so much in them. They're all so different, the characters. Yeah. Great tonal range. Dennis says, fuck Trump, the winner. That is a great shot. He looks so happy about it too. Yeah, yeah. Amazing work, David. He mentioned he's like, I really want to be awake for one of these, but it's like 3am or whatever. It's Francisco, but maybe we'll have to do a special edition. Maybe close to Christmas, we'll do a special edition mega your images segment, but at a different US Time zone. Friendly. Yep. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Moving on to the one and only Justin Castles. No, I'm kidding. Dennis Smith, the great Ball of light. Imagine if this is my photo. Dennis would be like, hey, hey. I wish. Image number one. Oh, hang on. How do I know which one's which? So I was trying to find two images. This is Dennis's words. I'm reading his email, trying to find two images that represent the opposite extremes of lighting conditions. Full darkness and full moon. [01:50:48] Speaker C: That would have to be full moon, surely. [01:50:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So this. But I think this in his email is image number 2.5D mark 3F8, 3 minutes and 49 second exposure. ISO 100 beast, full moon. This place blew my mind and was early in my photography life. Never been on a salt lake and it was wild, wild, wild. [01:51:19] Speaker C: Crazy. 5D Mark 3. [01:51:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Speaking of 5D Mark III, Bruce says, Dennis, I think you have a light leak problem. There's orbs on the sensor. Oh, yeah, we could do so. All right. Everyone's saying, breakfast show. If we did a breakfast show, what time would that be? Oh, and Bruce is saying, do one on a Sunday, what time would that be? What time would a breakfast show be? [01:51:49] Speaker C: I don't know, eight? [01:51:52] Speaker B: I love that your images are single exposure, Dennis. That's how my brain thinks. I don't do layering, blending, or stacking in. I just don't. It never makes sense to me. A photo for me is like, open the shutter, close the shutter. That's the photo. And I know that's not possible for the way a lot of other people make out, but it just doesn't make sense to me. So I love the dentist's are always like, even. Even if it was open for three minutes, it was one. One shot, you know? Yeah. Oh, wow. Look, everyone's saying 8:00am Sunday, 8:00am 5:00am. [01:52:23] Speaker C: 5:00Am get out of town. [01:52:25] Speaker B: I'll be at the gym. Greg will be tucked up in bed. No, not on a Sunday. No way. Sunday sleeping day. 8am would be doable. [01:52:36] Speaker C: Yeah. What time are we doing them at Beef up? They were like 7, 7:30. That wasn't too bad. [01:52:41] Speaker B: Breakfast shows and, you know, you don't. [01:52:43] Speaker C: Have to drink a slab of beer the night before like you did at Beef Up. [01:52:47] Speaker B: I was still there. And it wasn't a slab, but we did have a couple at the Nikon party. Jim was there. I had to party with him. He was so excited to see Julie. Okay, photo number two, which is actually image number one, Lake Mungo with the Leica Q3, 122nd exposure, ISO 100F9, 100% lit by hand using backlight scanner. So like. Right, so you're scanning through everything that we can see that has light. You've lit walking towards the camera with light that faces forward. Yep. Confusing. And lights everything from behind. Yep. That is confusing. I don't know what you're talking about. Then walk back and spin the orb without any of my light. [01:53:39] Speaker C: They're just standing there in the dark. [01:53:41] Speaker B: Without any of my light. It would be black as the ace of spades. So he's walking towards the camera with light that faces forwards and lights everything from behind. Well, then the light doesn't face forward if it's lighting things from behind. What? [01:53:58] Speaker C: Need a diagram? [01:54:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure he's probably got a behind the scenes video. Yeah, true. It's super confusing, but unreal. Lit from behind the camera. What can't be lit from behind the camera? [01:54:15] Speaker C: Den. Orb. [01:54:18] Speaker B: Hang on, hang on. Our answers will be answered. Hold on, hold on. Des, hold on. Are you there? All right. Yes. Wait, wait, wait, wait one second. Wait. We've got major problems. The, the. Hold on. I got to disconnect to reconnect the Bluetooth because you sound like a robot. Ready? Here we go. We're doing it. We can do this. [01:54:41] Speaker C: We can do hard things. [01:54:42] Speaker B: If only. Hold on, Dennis. Hang on. Here we go. Have we got you? [01:54:51] Speaker A: Yeah, here I am. [01:54:52] Speaker B: Oh, that's you turned into like. [01:54:54] Speaker A: Alrighty. So here. So. So, so, yes, there are many videos on my YouTube channel of me doing this, but here's the way I'm going to describe it. So if you imagine a. So I start over where the orb is, right. With a device in my hand pointing it towards the camera, and I'm walking towards the camera from way over the back there. But what it is, is there's a torch pointing to the camera, but there's a shield in front of the torch blocking the light from the camera. So it's spreading light out the side and it's called backlight. So that's why you get that contrast is because the. And then I'm walking all the way to the camera and then I turn the torch off about a meter away from the camera. Then I take the torch away and I put it on the ground. Then I walk all the way back up there and spin the orb. Now, the Leica Q3 is limited to 120 seconds, so everything happens very quick because I'm normally spinning my orbs for 90 seconds. But. But yeah, it's the only way to get that effect, that backlighting sort of contrast effect. And it's quite remarkable. [01:56:05] Speaker B: I have a question. I Have a question though. Why isn't it lighting you up if it's pointing back at you? No. [01:56:14] Speaker A: So it is. No, it's not. It's the light. The direction of the light is pointing forwards towards the camera. But what it looks like is it. It. It's. Yeah, it's difficult to describe, but the, you know that vanta black paint that exists, the blackest paint in the world. So that the part. Yeah, it's all painted in that so that there's no reflection back at me. However, if you it up, you definitely see your face. Right. [01:56:45] Speaker B: That's what I was wondering. Because it's, it's throwing light out. It's throwing light even though we're blocking the actual light from the camera. There's a, there's a. There's something in front of the light from the camera and it's not reflective so it's not reflecting it back towards you, you're saying. [01:57:00] Speaker D: Yeah, but. [01:57:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it's wild, but it is throwing it out in all directions. [01:57:05] Speaker A: What I'm going to do is I'm going to take. I've just turned one on. I'm going to take a photo of it and send it to you. Goodbye. [01:57:11] Speaker B: Okay, goodbye. Thanks. Oh dear. That's funny. [01:57:18] Speaker C: That's very cool. [01:57:20] Speaker B: I'll see if I can. Where is it? I'll wait till. All right, we'll go, we'll check out some other photos and we'll, we'll circle back to that at the end. [01:57:34] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. Yeah. [01:57:36] Speaker B: Because then I'll be able to. Yeah, I'll be able to get to it. Oh yeah, it's coming through. But yeah, we'll, we'll check out also. I just have to pull this up because I completely agree. Where is it? Slay obviously agree. Bruce says it's very, very cool. Now where is it? Someone said here. Yeah. Rick Nelson Makes me feel like I need to run from this glowing red ball. Yeah, it's got that vibe to it for sure. [01:58:04] Speaker C: It's got a very alien kind of threatening vibe to it. [01:58:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it's definitely got. It's definitely got like a sci fi thing. [01:58:13] Speaker C: Yeah, like circus kind of thing. [01:58:16] Speaker B: Looks like a science fiction image. Yeah, it's really cool. Very, very cool lighting. [01:58:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:58:22] Speaker B: And great composition as well. And hiding the ball instead of just putting the ball, ball like up front in the foreground, like having the ball just, just back there. It looks like you're discovering, oh, we've just stumbled across this alien spacecraft or something. [01:58:36] Speaker C: It's very cool. [01:58:36] Speaker B: Yeah, beautiful. Glenn Lavender. Glenn Lavender. Has gone to the dark side and bought a Fujifilm. [01:58:49] Speaker C: I saw the dark side. [01:58:51] Speaker B: The green side. Yeah, the Greg side. [01:58:55] Speaker C: The green side's fine. [01:58:59] Speaker B: Yeah, he's. He's bought a Fujifilm and this was one of the shots from the first time he took it out into the wild, wild world. And it sounds like he's loving it. [01:59:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I think he's only shooting JPEG with it too. [01:59:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's why he wanted it. He wanted to. Well, I think he only does shoot jpeg, doesn't he? Isn't he a JPEG shooter? [01:59:17] Speaker C: I'm not sure now. [01:59:19] Speaker B: I think he is. He's one of those weirdos that is me sometimes. But yeah, he's. So he's shooting Sony and Fuji and running both kits, distinctively different like ones for his bigger workshops on camera flash, that kind of side of stuff. And then this one's going to be more of his travel, you know, JPEG only rocking around documentary style. And I think he's going to take some great work with it. So we'll be keen to get May. Oh, we might be able to get Glenn on for a little bit of a, you know, a long term XE5 review, you know, one other person or something and do a bit of a roundtable. [02:00:01] Speaker C: Yep. [02:00:02] Speaker B: Once. Once. He's had it for a little while. Yeah. [02:00:05] Speaker C: Well, I was, I was chatting to Tim Siamas during the week and. [02:00:08] Speaker D: And. [02:00:10] Speaker C: His partner just got one. But Tim's. Tim's loving it. [02:00:12] Speaker A: He's. [02:00:13] Speaker B: He's looking at stealing it, I was gonna say. So. So he got one. [02:00:16] Speaker C: Grounds for divorce, but yeah. Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's really excited by it, so. Which is cool. [02:00:22] Speaker B: That's awesome. All right, now, who have we got next? Tweak Productions. Jamie Vanden Brink. [02:00:44] Speaker C: Oh, wow, Jamie. That's amazing. [02:00:46] Speaker B: All this talk of monochrome made me want to send this one in. Started following my husband around to racetracks whilst he fulfills his midlife crisis and have accidentally become a motorsports photographer. I really do enjoy it. Well, you're really good at it. Yeah. That's an epic shot. [02:01:03] Speaker C: It's great composition too. [02:01:04] Speaker B: It is, yeah. Everything. Yeah, it's just. It works. Everything works about it. [02:01:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:01:11] Speaker B: Cool crop having it. That aspect ratio. Like a more panoramic shot. [02:01:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:01:18] Speaker B: Plenty of motion. Yeah, it looks awesome and great. Black and white. I think black and white's awesome for motorsports when you don't have to fulfill any, you know, like sponsor obligations that are looking to see their colors or whatever in the shot. It's just A shot for. [02:01:35] Speaker A: Just for fun. [02:01:36] Speaker C: Just get into it. Yep. [02:01:37] Speaker B: Awesome. Yeah, it's very cool. Okay, who else? We got that one. I think Paul. Paul might be lucky last. If I've missed someone, let me know. Where is it? [02:02:03] Speaker C: Oops. [02:02:03] Speaker B: Why we zoomed out so much. What have you done? Okay. It's a small file. It's a small file, black and white image. 20 year old Ilford XB2 Super 400 film. I can't zoom in anymore because it doesn't want me to. I'm not sure why. No, doesn't want me to. But yeah, I mean it certainly looks old, but we can't get it very close maybe. Oh, I can get it closer. I can get it closer for you, Greg. There you go. I just can't get it closer for me. [02:02:40] Speaker C: Oh, I see. [02:02:44] Speaker B: Oh, wow. It must have accidentally gone. Gone into low res or something. Yeah, but yeah, it looks cool. Definitely looks old. [02:02:56] Speaker C: Low res file. Yeah, yeah. [02:02:58] Speaker B: Whoops. Low res file. It still looks good. It's just got extra. Just crunchy digital grain. Crappy. [02:03:05] Speaker A: Yep. [02:03:07] Speaker B: But yeah, nice. Shooting some film. [02:03:09] Speaker D: Nice work. [02:03:09] Speaker B: Yeah, living the dream. [02:03:11] Speaker C: 20 year old film too. Well done. [02:03:14] Speaker B: Let me try and get Dennis's tool up onto the screen. Not that tool, you know what I mean? [02:03:22] Speaker C: What sort of podcast is this? [02:03:24] Speaker B: We're about to get booted off YouTube. [02:03:33] Speaker C: While you're doing that. Paul said the, the roller film had been sitting in a cupboard for 20 years and used it in 2008. [02:03:41] Speaker B: Oh, that's cool. That's really cool. Still. Okay. Yeah. Why can't I get you back, Greg? [02:03:53] Speaker C: What have you done? [02:03:55] Speaker B: Nothing, I'm getting there. Just having technical difficulties. This is the hardest part of the show for me. I need a producer. Done add to stage. There we go. So this is Dennis's tool. Let's have a look at it. [02:04:10] Speaker C: Oh, I see. [02:04:13] Speaker B: So torch, 3D printed cone. Another 3D printed cone. So it's gonna. Right. It's funnily bounced sideways almost and it'll come out forwards. But there's nothing like no direct light that can be seen by the camera. [02:04:38] Speaker C: Provided you have that lens, I guess pointed. Sorry, the torch pointed directly at your lens. You don't sort of deviate from that. [02:04:45] Speaker B: That's right. Because if you, if you turn sideways, if it got turned sideways, you would see it. [02:04:51] Speaker C: It'll show up. Yeah. [02:04:52] Speaker B: Right. And Dennis says it's an 8,000 lumen torch. He also. Dennis also said that if we bring up a picture of his tool, we need him. Where is it? You'll Be needing that macro lens. I'm sure that's not true, Dennis. Yeah, it's very interesting. Did you come up with that, Dennis? Is that a tool you had seen and then replicated or did you just ponder it and it popped into your brain? Super interesting. [02:05:23] Speaker C: Variants. [02:05:24] Speaker B: Wants one. Yeah, that is. It is one of those ones. It's like, I want that. [02:05:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:05:30] Speaker B: Hang on. The video I linked above shows it really clearly. There is no link. I don't know if links work in this chat. [02:05:38] Speaker C: Yeah, it's hard to know. [02:05:39] Speaker B: It's a bit weird because of YouTube doesn't like links. [02:05:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:05:48] Speaker B: A mate of yours designed it. That's cool. Very cool, Very cool. [02:05:52] Speaker C: Good mate. Yeah, nice work. [02:05:55] Speaker B: But I agree, I want one for no reason. I probably need a regular torch if I'm gonna do some light painting. Not the world's most advanced light painting tool. Just start at a thousand kilometers an hour, but, you know. [02:06:09] Speaker C: Yeah, well, gotta start somewhere. [02:06:12] Speaker B: All right, great show. [02:06:15] Speaker C: Very cool. Yeah. And just one last little comment regarding Dennis Tool. I love seeing creative things people make to enhance their photography. Agreed. Yeah, I think that's, you know, you see people make these little tweaks to their gear or build all new gear or, you know, like Greg Carrick 3D prints, lens mounts for GFX and Andrew Ravenko, you know, custom made, like a trigger for his huge large format camera so that he could time the exposures and like just. Yeah, really creative, clever application to elevate the craft and make it your own, which I think is really special and something we should all try more of. But yeah, I think that's it for the night. [02:06:59] Speaker B: Well, Lucinda asked how did our Black Friday purchases go? Did you, did you grab anything? Although Black Friday hasn't happened yet, but all the sales are going on right now. Did you get. [02:07:11] Speaker C: Yeah, what did I get? I got. I got some. Some high quality USBC cables because I seem to never have enough because I especially as soon as I went up to this new MacBook earlier in the year. Everything's USBC and so I've just been slowly replacing all my older USB cables. I got that and there was something else I bought. I can't remember I showed you guys in the chat. [02:07:35] Speaker B: I was going to say you did in our private picture. In our private chat. [02:07:38] Speaker C: I can't remember what it was. [02:07:39] Speaker B: You sent me a picture and what was it? It was. I'll just find it. [02:07:44] Speaker C: Oh, photography book. [02:07:46] Speaker B: The photographer's playbook. [02:07:47] Speaker C: Yeah. So was it last week or the week before? I think Lucinda and someone Else mentioned it and so I jumped onto Amazon and yeah, ordered it and was there the same day. That's the beauty of living in the city. [02:08:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:08:04] Speaker C: Yes, came the same day. So that's pretty cool. So I've just started to kind of thumb through it a little bit and I think I just need to sort of spend some time, sit down, start reading some projects and stuff that people did. [02:08:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [02:08:17] Speaker C: But, yeah, no, it's good. I was really happy. There's quite a bit. I thought it would be like a little flimsy kind of here's, here's some projects to try, but it's a big, thick, chunky book. Like there's a fair read there and it's project ideas and, and both in theory and also ones that other photograph like, you know, well renowned photographers have, have actually attempted. So. Very cool. What about you? [02:08:38] Speaker B: Awesome. I have. I don't think I've bought anything photography related yet. That could be a lie, but I'm pretty sure I haven't. I did order. Well, I bought those DJI sticks. That doesn't count. I needed them because one one got lost. What else? I ordered new pair of shoes. New pair of running shoes. They should arrive later this week. [02:09:01] Speaker C: Oh, because you don't have enough of those. Yolanda told me. [02:09:06] Speaker B: We're on to you. I have a lot of shoes, but I needed new running shoes. I needed them. I might be doing triathlon next weekend and I haven't. So I was like, new pair of shoes. [02:09:20] Speaker C: I've never think that'll be funny. [02:09:22] Speaker B: That would be fun. It will be funny. I tell you. Why? Because I've got Jim's old, old, old, like race bike, you know, like a, you know what people would ride around Brunswick on like a fixie. But it's not a fixie. But it's a steel frame. [02:09:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:09:35] Speaker B: Like race bike and super. Yeah, super old. And I haven't trained for it whatsoever. And I'm thinking about doing like, just doing the whole thing in like bodies and a T shirt, whereas everyone else wears these like triathlon suits and all this sort of stuff. And I don't know if I get roped and sunnies. [02:09:54] Speaker C: You got to have sunnies. [02:09:55] Speaker B: No, no sunnies. I just squint. [02:09:57] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [02:10:01] Speaker B: What else did I buy? I bought some towel ponchos for summer, you know, like, like, so you get out of the, the lake or whatever. [02:10:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:10:09] Speaker B: And instead of where. Instead of using a towel, you put like that over. It's got a hood and you're, you know, you're in it like an Oodie for. [02:10:15] Speaker C: Yeah, we used to get those for the kids. Did you get like a Pokemon one or. [02:10:20] Speaker B: No, I didn't, but I should have. I think they're just black. But so what. What's on my actual photography list still is the Godox lights, but I just haven't. Yeah, I haven't pulled the trigger. But I did speak to the guys at Croydon Camera House who are legends, and they've got some great pricing for me. There's some sort of different deals floating around the Internet that they can access, which is pretty cool. Little bonuses might come with an extra thing or you get, you know, throw something in or whatever. But it added up to a few thousand dollars worth of lights and I just haven't. Yeah, I don't know. It's for the pet photography thing and I'm. [02:10:59] Speaker C: Is that why you're selling all your old stuff online? [02:11:01] Speaker B: It is helping, yeah. Yes. Make some space. I will clean out the shares on the weekend. I was like, throw it on Marketplace and then if it doesn't sell, it's. It's going to the tip. [02:11:11] Speaker C: Here's a half used roll of tape. [02:11:13] Speaker B: Hey, it wasn't that. No, we sold it. Sold a fridge. Oh, yeah, I saw the fridge. Yeah, yeah, the fridge is gone. The guy was like, can you deliver it? It's like, yeah, I can deliver it. [02:11:24] Speaker C: Oh, you're a good man. [02:11:27] Speaker B: All right, couple of. Couple of quick comments. Lucinda says there's beaches in Bendigo. No, but there is a lake. Lake. Epilogue. So there's a lake and we're an hour away from the river, the Murray River. So we've got water. We go to the pool sometimes. You know, Bendigoe swimming pool. Might do a triathlon on the weekend. I might need my changing towel for that. I'll just run in that with your thongs. You know, Craig Murphy didn't buy a camera, but bought a new robot vacuum. It's probably got cameras on it, Craig, so be careful. [02:12:02] Speaker C: Watching you now. [02:12:03] Speaker B: It's watching you right now. [02:12:04] Speaker C: Right now. Yeah. [02:12:09] Speaker B: I don't know who this is. Who's Brannigan99? These. These messed up names have changed. I don't know who anyone is anymore. Justin will know what a budget E bike. What? But Justin will know what budget E bike should I buy on Black Friday? Sales don't buy a budget E bike. That's what I would. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, I only know mountain bikes. So if it's like a. If it's a city going E bike, I'm not really up with it, but if it's a mountain bike, E bike, I can give you some ideas, but none of them are unfortunately cheap. Who else? Jamie from Tweak Production says thanks guys for bringing all these wonderful community of photographers together. Have been recommending you to all my workmates and customers. I work at Camera House, Toowoomba, Queensland. That's awesome. Thank you. [02:12:53] Speaker D: Thanks, man. [02:12:55] Speaker B: We do because we want to grow. We want to grow the community. We want more photographers, more images than the your images section. I want to get to the point where we have to cap it out because we're full this week and we've got so many photos we can't show them all. And the only way we can do that is if you all spread the word. So please do tell any photographer friends, you've got to jump in, send us a few images, ask us questions, call in, be crazy, call in. Don't leave it to Dennis and Bruce to call in. You guys can call in too, Anyone can. And build this show up. [02:13:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:13:27] Speaker B: And otherwise I think that's it. [02:13:31] Speaker C: I think that's it. I. I think we'll say our farewells and maybe Justin can read some of the final comments because there's some crackers coming in. But, but look. Thank you everybody for watching. Once again, this has been the Camera Life podcast, the random photography show. What did I say? Episode 136. 136, yep. And just so you know, we will continue to deliver twice weekly live photography related podcasts right up until the lead up to Christmas. And there's no rest for the wicked here. [02:14:04] Speaker B: I've been told there is not been told. [02:14:09] Speaker C: But, but look, thanks to everyone for watching and for joining. Please give us a like helps out a huge amount. And if you are new here, welcome. We do this twice a week. Every Monday evening, 7.30pm Australian Eastern Daylight Time and every Thursday morning we interview an amazing photographer every Thursday morning, 9am Australian Eastern Daylight Time. But this has been the Camera live podcast and the boss is going to roll the song, say our goodbyes. [02:14:37] Speaker B: Dennis says thank you guys for always being here and making it amazing. Thank you for being here, Dennis, and being amazing. You're wonderful. Rick Nelson. Gonna do a Santa Watch podcast holiday special. Maybe we'll do something. We've got to make a bit of a plan for that time of year. If you've got any suggestions, let us know. Thank you. Thanks Lucinda Slay. Thanks Craig. Craig says smash that like button. That's actually a great idea. Please give us a like. Even if you watch the whole thing. It's amazing. But if you give us a like, that just helps everything get cranked up another notch with you, YouTube. Thanks, John Pickett. Thank you, Bruce Moyle. You're a legend. Thanks, Paul. David Leporati. Greg Carrick. As always, everybody, you're wonderful. Goodbye. Good night. See everyone. [02:15:23] Speaker C: Stay safe.