EP79 | Is Vertical the New Normal? The Random Photography Show

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sam. [00:00:31] Speaker B: That'S enough of that. [00:00:31] Speaker A: Morning, everybody. [00:00:32] Speaker C: Sorry. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Good morning. [00:00:33] Speaker C: Good evening, everybody. [00:00:34] Speaker D: Good morning for some morning. [00:00:37] Speaker B: That's right. [00:00:37] Speaker C: Yeah. We're all kind of half asleep anyway, but. Welcome to the Camera Life podcast. This is the random photography show, episode 79. It is the 19th of May, if you can believe that. 2025, proudly brought to you by Lucky Straps Maker, makers of fine leather camera straps from Bendigo, Victoria. And we're joined tonight by the boss, Justin, in case you're wondering. And of course, Jim is on board, too. G' day, mate. [00:01:06] Speaker B: Jim. [00:01:06] Speaker D: Hey, how you doing? [00:01:08] Speaker B: We're good. You got your Aurora background lighting happening back there? [00:01:14] Speaker C: Matching shirts all happening. [00:01:16] Speaker B: Looks like it's about a six. What's that scale that they all talk about when the auroras are firing? It's a six, I reckon whatever you. [00:01:22] Speaker C: Got going on back there, pretty bright. [00:01:24] Speaker D: Maybe this is one of it. Might be like lock into these colors. [00:01:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I need to get some. Some pavo tubes. [00:01:31] Speaker B: Yeah, get on it. [00:01:32] Speaker C: Now. Tonight is the random photography show, so no guest to interview as such. However, word on the street is that Levin Barrett from Rareview Photography is going to be joining us just for a quick word or two. He's got some. Some news to share, so we've invited him on the show to. To reach our 7 subscribers. And we've got a few topics we want to cover up. But first, let's say some good evenings, Justin. [00:01:58] Speaker B: Well, Yelena was first and she says late, and apparently that'll be 30 burpees each. [00:02:04] Speaker D: Are we doing that live on the podcast? [00:02:06] Speaker B: Well, I mean, we could. Brett Wooderson says I'd pay to see the burpees from all of them. Yeah. How much would you pay? I'm burpee. [00:02:15] Speaker C: I can do burpees. [00:02:17] Speaker A: That's a burpee. [00:02:20] Speaker B: You just lay on the ground and then you get back up again and clap at the top. That's it. [00:02:24] Speaker D: And that's one. [00:02:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I could do that. [00:02:27] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:02:27] Speaker B: Easy. Evening. Evening, Philip. Evening, Bruce. Evening, Ian. Good evening, Paul. Well, wrong button. Good evening, Paul. Dave Clark Digifrog says that's a classy shirt, Jimmy. [00:02:44] Speaker D: Thanks, Dave. [00:02:47] Speaker B: Bruce is trying to set us to 1.5 speed, but unfortunately we're live, so that won't work. [00:02:52] Speaker C: Thanks, Bruce. [00:02:52] Speaker B: Sorry. We can try and talk faster if that's okay. [00:02:54] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, maybe we'll just try and do it. We'll just do that, you know, do it faster, call it off. [00:03:01] Speaker B: Brett says it depends how good the burpees are as to how much you'll pay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We get paid before the burpees. We're not falling for that trick. Bruce says, that's telling. If you don't know the misery of burpee. [00:03:16] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:03:19] Speaker D: Whoa. [00:03:19] Speaker B: Yelena just paid us 2.99. Now we actually have to pay. That's our. That's our. That's our first official spot that just come through. Hang on. That just come out of my account. I'm pretty sure it come up on my phone. 2.99. I'm like, hang on a minute. How did. [00:03:37] Speaker C: That's commitment. [00:03:41] Speaker D: Now you've actually lost money. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah, I think so. YouTube will take a cut of that. [00:03:46] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:03:47] Speaker B: Wonderful. [00:03:49] Speaker C: Well, good evening, everybody. Thanks for joining us. Make sure you, like, subscribe. Tickle the bell and, yeah, fire away on the comments. [00:03:57] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Get the live chat cranking the. We've got. We've got a few things to talk about tonight. I'm not gonna. We got the. We got the topic from last week that didn't make it the does size matter? Topic, which I want everybody's input on. We've got the who's James? Section, which you'll have to wait to find out about that. And. And then finally, we're going to be closing off with a topic I'm very passionate about today, which I'm calling Vertical Limit. And it's all about the. The world of influences. [00:04:27] Speaker C: Isn't that a Sylvester Stallone film? Vertical Limit? [00:04:30] Speaker B: It's not. It's close. It's actually. That's how I got that. It's a film from the 2000s, and it is. That's Cliffhanger you're thinking of. That was a Sylvester Stallone film, but it's. It's similar. Definitely not as good. Great opening scene. If anyone's familiar, let me know. [00:04:48] Speaker C: What do you think of the film? Not the dog, the mountain. [00:04:52] Speaker B: K2. But close. You said canine. [00:04:56] Speaker C: Canine's the bigger one. I don't know Burpees. I don't know mountains. All right, let's just get on with the show. [00:05:04] Speaker B: You're close to everything, though. You're sort of dancing around the outsides of the right answers. That's right. Well, we don't. We should get to some viewer comments. There aren't many. You guys. You guys suck this week. Getting it. Getting the comments, and paste us or something. So we've got something to talk about. Vertical Limit was skydiving, if I remember correctly. It was not. It was climbing on K2, brother and sister. [00:05:27] Speaker C: Isn't that the Keanu Reeves surfing film. The skydiving. [00:05:30] Speaker B: That. That was correct. Point Break was the skydiving slash surfing Los Angeles, which was an amazing movie. Not the new Point Break. The old Point Break. Elaine is still waiting for her, but he. You don't really want us. No one wants to watch this. Dude. 30 burpees. [00:05:50] Speaker C: You know, it's not going to end well. [00:05:53] Speaker D: Yeah, it would take us far too long. [00:05:56] Speaker B: I'll demonstrate one for Greg. [00:05:59] Speaker C: All right, let's do it. Here's your $2.99worth, Yelena. Here we go. Here. Here comes people. Get ready to screenshot. Do another one. Get to spend the whole night. [00:06:17] Speaker D: He can't hear us. You can yell all you want, Greg. He can't actually hear us. [00:06:22] Speaker B: You can have three. [00:06:24] Speaker C: I mean, a lot of puffing in that scenario. [00:06:27] Speaker B: We just lost. We just lost six live viewers. [00:06:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:06:33] Speaker C: Moving forward, can we. Can we explore getting lucky merch with Jim's shirt? [00:06:38] Speaker B: Kind of flavor like flannies. [00:06:41] Speaker C: Yeah, let's get some lucky flannies. [00:06:43] Speaker B: I'm working on. [00:06:44] Speaker D: Justin. We need to. Need to get some. Get the lucky. [00:06:46] Speaker B: I'm working on it. [00:06:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:48] Speaker B: I saw a prototype. [00:06:50] Speaker C: Oh, you've got a prototype of everything, it seems. [00:06:54] Speaker B: Yeah, not everything. Not everything. I want a prototype of. Um, Yelena says, congratulations, I'm now paid athlete. Yeah, I guess so. 2.99 for three burpees. That's a good deal. [00:07:04] Speaker D: Didn't he pay himself? [00:07:07] Speaker B: Those were not worth the $1 per burpee paid. Yeah, probably not. This is a photography podcast. If you've just joined us and are confused about the burpees. [00:07:16] Speaker D: Yeah, we're not a sports podcast. [00:07:18] Speaker B: All right, should we. Should we look at the few viewer comments that we do have? [00:07:24] Speaker C: Yeah, let's get some comments. [00:07:26] Speaker B: I don't have my sound effects. I got nothing. We're falling apart. [00:07:39] Speaker C: All right, It's a few comments. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm on it. [00:07:43] Speaker D: Who's bringing it up? [00:07:44] Speaker B: I'm on it. [00:07:45] Speaker D: You're on it. [00:07:46] Speaker B: I can't. I have to. You guys just sort of sit there. I have to change the background, press the sound effect, bring up the YouTube. Yeah, I know. Okay, here we are. All right, best comment. One day ago, Matt Crummond's episode. Bruce Moyle says, good chat. The business stuff was gold. And actually, while that's up there, I do. I want to talk about Matt's episode. I don't know if you. Did you catch any of it, Jim, or have you been. [00:08:13] Speaker D: No, I was. I didn't. I only caught a little Bit at the start and a little bit at the end, I think. [00:08:18] Speaker B: So you missed it. [00:08:19] Speaker D: I was in design of Lucky. [00:08:22] Speaker B: Okay. The. The lucky zone. [00:08:26] Speaker C: No, the middle. Start at the end. The middle's a hate. Anyway, move on. [00:08:31] Speaker B: Anyway, there was some gold in Matt's episode. If you guys. I should zoom myself back in if you guys haven't checked it out yet. It was a long one. There was heaps in there. Matt's whole story, a lot of really good parts. But when we, when we sort of dug into the business side of commercial photography, how he would go about structuring pricing, what his thoughts are around pricing when it comes to the traditional commercial photography model of licensing images and all that sort of stuff. He had a lot of really good info, I thought good takes and it was. It's definitely worth a listen if for the business side of things, but also just for the general Matt Crumman side of things. Good dude. Fred agrees. Great episode with Matt. So much great info. So, you know, get back into it. [00:09:25] Speaker C: Good show. [00:09:26] Speaker B: It was a good show. [00:09:27] Speaker C: It's well worth going back and having, having a look because Matt's one of those enigmatic characters that, you know, if, if you, if you follow him on socials or you see the beef up groupies page, like it feels like he just doesn't sleep. He's always out on a shoot, he's always got a camera in his hand. He just exudes photography. [00:09:47] Speaker B: He's always doing workshops. [00:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah, he loves nothing more than talking about it. [00:09:52] Speaker B: I think their AI, those images is putting up because there's like one every three hours with, with a new group of photographers behind him and he's like just out for another workshop. I'm like, is he just making. Are these just generated people how to count the fingers? [00:10:06] Speaker C: Maybe they're hired actors. [00:10:08] Speaker B: Could be. But yeah. Great podcast. So Bruce is right. It was gold. Also, speaking of Matt Crummins, his comment was what? No comments. Boo. Ha. So that's. That's why it's been a quiet week. And finally from at Brannigan 99, thanks to the beef up boys for a great event. Bit of a bit daunting dancing through the streets of Melbourne, but really fun day. Congrats to Kramer. I can't even read tonight. Camera House Croydon 40 years is amazing. And it was amazing. [00:10:42] Speaker D: So tough word that one camera. [00:10:46] Speaker C: Yeah, you gotta practice it a bit. [00:10:49] Speaker B: Look, I'm getting worse and worse. Nev Clark is in the live chat and he says, I'm so annoyed I can't tune in tonight. You are tuned in. Otherwise you're not able to do that. [00:11:01] Speaker C: Yeah, he's shooting a wedding tonight. [00:11:04] Speaker B: He was just messing with us. Well, good luck Nev, with the wedding. What time is it there? [00:11:10] Speaker C: It's like 5:30. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:12] Speaker C: Something like that. [00:11:13] Speaker B: So it's not. [00:11:13] Speaker C: It's about to start. [00:11:14] Speaker B: Just. It sounded like a lie. Yeah. [00:11:18] Speaker D: Is that legit wedding? Yeah, he really is. [00:11:24] Speaker B: All right. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do the news. No sound effect for that one. [00:11:29] Speaker C: Okay. [00:11:30] Speaker B: What do you got for us? [00:11:32] Speaker C: The news bits and pieces. We're seeing more of the same stuff around price increases and the latest that we are hearing and I'll share my page with y' all. Share screen. Sony, they haven't yet as far as I know. The latest update, they haven't officially confirmed it but. Oh, why didn't it come to the. Sorry everybody. This is from Sony Alpha Rumors. So you know, big grain of salt claims that from. From the 19th in the US so that's tomorrow for us. Sony USA will increase the price of many cameras and lenses by up to 33% to accommodate the changing economic climate and the whole tariff thing in America. [00:12:21] Speaker D: So just got a blanket crossing and Chris. [00:12:23] Speaker C: Well no, according to this many. [00:12:25] Speaker B: It says many. It's a long list though. [00:12:28] Speaker C: A long list. And oh, sorry. [00:12:30] Speaker D: I mean as in a blank a world, a blanket world price increase rather than just a US based. [00:12:37] Speaker B: I think it's us. [00:12:38] Speaker C: Just us. [00:12:40] Speaker D: Oh, sorry. [00:12:40] Speaker C: Okay. In this case, yeah, I imagine other brands will probably do a whole like across the board increase and we've talked about this in past episodes but Leica have already said that they're likely to do it. I think Fujifilm put up their prices in America. [00:12:58] Speaker B: Leica actually put up the price of the Deluxe 8 and a few cameras by I think something crazy like 90%. [00:13:06] Speaker C: What? [00:13:07] Speaker B: And then yeah, yeah, this was a little while ago. And then when the US poor and China paused the tariff situation for three months or whatever agreement they just come to recently, they've already reduced it back down again. Like I have those. Those particular products but not all the way back to the original price but close. That's so weird is the word on the street. So companies are having to react really, really fast to the I don't want to say random, but random nature of these communications globally impacting policies and things. Yeah, it's going pretty. Oh, and that's the other thing. Yeah. So DJI are not launching the Mavic 4 drone in the US and people are pissed. But I actually thought I saw somewhere that the that it is like that they've changed that as well. Like today or yesterday or something. [00:13:58] Speaker C: I don't know if you remember, but a few months ago we ran an article about, we ran a news piece about. Because I wrote about it for Shot Kit where the US Government was looking to ban drones made outside of the usa. This, I think this was even before Trump was made president. I might be wrong on that, but there was some sort of a bill that they wanted to pass where they would ban DGI stuff coming into the States because they're worried about the whole Chinese chip in a communication device thing, you know, fear mongering kind of thing. [00:14:31] Speaker B: Well, it did, it did actually happen. It was in a bunch. It was in a bunch of telecommunications products and they put a. Like more not consumer stuff. It was in like devices that go on towers. And I think that sort of stuff because that was legit. And that kind of started the scare for things that maybe aren't, you know, aren't harming. So I don't know. This is the, this is the thing. I'm just going to quickly bring this up on our screen. This is the thing that I thought I'd come across that says, yeah, DJI said Mavic 4 Pro won't launch in the US but these stores are selling it anyhow. So it seems like B and H Adorama both still selling the Mavic 4. [00:15:18] Speaker C: I wonder if they're selling gray imports though. [00:15:20] Speaker B: Don't know. [00:15:22] Speaker C: Or whether they've just worked out some sort of purchase deal from somewhere. [00:15:25] Speaker B: Yeah, US Government department are not allowed DJI equipment anymore. Okay. [00:15:32] Speaker C: So it's internal government stuff that was. [00:15:35] Speaker B: The big thing that come. Come through because they said there was going to be a ban or something. But the ban was. Yeah, we was only on the government purchasing the products, not on consumers purchasing the product. [00:15:49] Speaker C: Okay, interesting. Next piece of news. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah, what else you got? [00:15:55] Speaker C: This is something that you can help with, Justin. [00:15:58] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:15:59] Speaker C: Of the global reach and search for an answer. According to this, The Canon EOS R5 Mark II, which you own autofocus issue, is the firmware 1.03 to blame. What are your thoughts on it? Have you seen this article? [00:16:13] Speaker B: I have and I haven't. I'm a little bit behind on firmware on all of my cameras because I know the Q3's got an update. The little DJI Osmo Pocket Spy on Me camera has got an update that apparently makes some things way better. And so honestly, I don't know. But since I saw that article, I'm I'm making sure that I don't update it. Cause I'm currently shooting. I've been shooting mountain biking with it and autofocus is pretty handy for that. So I was hoping to not, not lose that. But I did watch a video on it by. Oh, scroll down a little bit more is probably the video that I watched that one there and apparently, yeah, rolling it back to firmware version 1.02. 1.0.2 fixed it. And then if you go down a little bit further, it said something about, yeah, here we go, Canon. So they fixed it and it was snap in responsive. And then Canon sorted it out with firmware 1.0.3 again. And then there was no issues at first. Scroll down a little more. And then it was something to do with his power settings and when he set up so his power settings had been set back to like factory defaults, battery saving and stuff. And then he was like, oh no, I put it on my power saving stuff that I always do. So whatever. It was 15 second dim, 30 second screen off and 1 minute auto power off, which is a completely stupid setup. What about when you go longer than a minute and your camera turns off? Anyway, no, I'm just kidding. But the. And then he's. And then he's saying here that the trouble started again. So it's got something to do with that firmware combined with, with one or all of those power settings or something. [00:18:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:13] Speaker B: Anyway, okay, it's. [00:18:14] Speaker A: Well, we'll stay. [00:18:15] Speaker C: Has anyone else bugs shooting with. With the Canon R5 Mark II that actually has updated their firmware? I. I had high hopes for you tonight and you've just, you've shattered them. [00:18:28] Speaker B: What? Look, unless. [00:18:29] Speaker D: Firmware update guy. [00:18:31] Speaker B: I am. That's not true. [00:18:33] Speaker D: No, but. No, but like you're probably not going to be doing it straight away. [00:18:37] Speaker B: No. Unless. This is the thing. If I'm. If there's a very cool feature that I hear about and they're like, oh, we've added this thing, I might do it fairly quickly if I don't have shoots. But yeah, otherwise if, if it's just like minor tweaky, bug fixes or something that they've done. I'm not, I'm not usually straight onto it. Are you straight onto it on the. [00:18:58] Speaker D: No, I don't think I've done it. [00:19:00] Speaker B: Do you ever do it or do you get Nick on to do it? [00:19:04] Speaker D: Yeah, I think, I think they do. I don't know. [00:19:08] Speaker B: It's. [00:19:09] Speaker D: It works. Don't. [00:19:11] Speaker C: Do you get your, your cameras and Lenses serviced often, is it? Or only when there's a problem? [00:19:17] Speaker D: No, I still normally get them cleaned but yeah, I haven't had like a lens. Haven't had it like a lens issue for a while that have needed it just to be sent back and tweaked or adjusted or anything. Probably a few years but occasionally like bodies. Well yeah need a cleanup. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Rick Nelson says he's a. Is a straightaway updater so that's good. Someone's got to be out there getting it done and checking it out for the rest of us than getting on the forums and saying autofocus bad. Because that is the thing, you know if you are quick to. There's been a few other. I can't think of them off the top of my head but there's been a few times with both Canon and Nikon that the order like the. Sorry, the firmware update was an issue and it got rolled back pretty much straight away because as soon as people started doing it they were like oh, we got problems. [00:20:09] Speaker C: It happened second half of last year but they didn't roll back and it took them a long time to fix. [00:20:14] Speaker B: Oh, oh, was that the autofocus problem? [00:20:17] Speaker C: Yeah, the autofocus issue. [00:20:19] Speaker B: It like got slower rather than faster. Yeah. [00:20:23] Speaker C: Yep. [00:20:24] Speaker B: Brett Wooderson do Canon check for issues like this when they do updates? They do but the thing is if you imagine how much testing you could do internally in within Canon's team you can test a lot of stuff but not every variation and then you send it out to. I don't know how many people have an R5 Mark II but let's call it. I don't know how many people would have an R5 Mark II worldwide. 20,000, 50,000. Anyway, you send it out to all, all them, to all the Rick Nelson's that update straight away and then they go and use it in all these different scenarios changing settings and doing all that sort of stuff and then all of a sudden someone uncovers an issue and it starts to. So it's like, you know. [00:21:06] Speaker D: And then they'll do like a 0.5 update or something. [00:21:08] Speaker B: Exactly. To. To do a quick tweak. Bruce Mo says I tend to wait until there's a feature I really want that doesn't happen often and also not when a big job is coming out. I agree. Not. Not before. We would never have done it before a wedding or something like that ever. It would be yeah, when you've got a two week gap or something and you know that you could sort it out probably a bit Old school. [00:21:31] Speaker C: So Levin has joined us. [00:21:33] Speaker A: He's. [00:21:34] Speaker B: He's in the background. We'll bring him on. [00:21:36] Speaker C: Let's bring him on. [00:21:37] Speaker B: There he is. [00:21:37] Speaker D: Hello there. [00:21:39] Speaker A: How you doing? [00:21:40] Speaker B: Do that. [00:21:41] Speaker C: How are you? Can you hear me? We can. Can you hear us? [00:21:44] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:21:45] Speaker A: Excellent. Yes, I can. Thanks very much. Sorry, guys. Technical issues. [00:21:50] Speaker C: Oh, no, that's okay. That's, that's, that's the nature of the show. We're just talking about camera technical issues. But for those of you watching and listening along at home, we've been joined by Levin Barrett. Levin has been on the show before, so make sure you roll back and check out his interview on the Camera Life podcast. Now, Levin, you are rearview photography, and you run nightscape and astrophotography courses, tours, workshops. How are things going for you? [00:22:23] Speaker B: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before 11, before that, just to polish off this topic that we were just on, we were just talking about firmware updates, and you're quite a technical person. What is your stance on camera firmware updates? How soon would you do it? Do you do it yourself? What's your. How do you. How do you do it? [00:22:44] Speaker A: I wait for everybody else to do it first and I sit on my hands for two to three weeks and then if there's no bad feedback, then I'll give it a whirl. [00:22:52] Speaker B: Yeah, nice. [00:22:53] Speaker A: I've learned that lesson also just with work because they. We have iPads of work that have a lot of the software on it that we use. And yeah, we've all learned the hard way that when the update comes out, just sit on your hands for a couple of days because, yeah, quite often it does go. I'd say quite often, but occasionally it goes a bit wrong. So, yeah, it makes life awkward, but. No, same with camera gear and that sort of stuff. Yeah, I definitely tend to wait and see how others go with it before I launch it. [00:23:24] Speaker B: Do you have the same approach with the jets that you fly? Do you often tend to not update the firmware on the jet just until a few other pilots have done it and just to see. See how it goes. Just to make sure. [00:23:35] Speaker A: Yeah, just give it a whirl. Exactly right. Yeah. No, no, not on the jets. No. It's just on the iPads that we use for flight planning and things like that. [00:23:42] Speaker C: Thanks for that reassuring. [00:23:44] Speaker A: Out of my hands. [00:23:45] Speaker C: Reassuring plug of jetstar. So, Levin, speaking of planes and flying, you've just returned from a trip, haven't you? [00:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, just had a bit of a surprise couple of weeks over in Norway actually. Really planned it, it's just that I was looking at developing some workshops for Norway in 2026 and I had two weeks off of work anyway and just with the way the Rossa fell, I ended up with a bonus week off. So I ended up with a bit over three weeks and tacked a few extra days on top of that, which gave me close to four weeks off. And so I just. Yeah, I know it's a bit of a surprise to me. As I say, totally unexpected. So with all of about a week's notice I just said to my good wife, do you want to come for a little jolly up to Norway with me? And she's retired now, so she went, hell yeah, I'm coming. So yeah, just made a few last minute staff bookings and I'll say eventually got her way up there, but it was really, really enjoyed it. But the weather turned out to be horrific, just absolutely horrific. So I've seen, yeah, I was there in 2018 and that stage there was a huge storm down in the south of Europe, like over Italy and Spain. It made the news, lots of flooding and all that sort of stuff. But I think what it did this is back in 2018 was it sucked all the bad weather down to the south. So although I was there for about a month, I had literally close to three weeks with just clear skies every single night. And at one stage we had 13 out of 14 nights straight with full on aurora. And it was just amazing to see all of that. And it got to the stage where about night nine or ten the call went out that hey, the Aurora is up. And I just went, I'm going to bed, I'm bugging, I just can't do anymore. My dear was exactly the reverse. First day we got there, fairly nice, clear skies, lovely afternoon, and we had a place called Henningsvale, which is an island in the Lofoten area. And lovely day, we went and had dinner and there was even a little bit of aurora out. So quickly grabbed the camera and race down the road. But by the time I got there the cloud arrived and it just stayed for the next six, seven days. And this whole series of Atlantic storms came through. So it would just belt down rain and I'm not just talking a light sprinkle, I'm talking like you know, kilometers visibility at best it was just torrential and that would last about two to four hours and then it would ease off, but only because the 100 kilometer hour winds would arrive and you just couldn't go out. And that was just too Dangerous. You couldn't stand up, let alone try and hold a tripod. And that would last for about 12 to 16 hours. And then finally you get a break and you go, beauty, let's go. So grab the tripod, grab the wife. We headed out to various places and. [00:26:51] Speaker C: Like, how the tripod was first. [00:26:53] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. I want to make. I want to make a T shirt. Grab your tripod, grab your wife. [00:27:03] Speaker A: Priorities, Priorities. So, yeah, the first place we got to I set the tripod up was just before sunset. It was at a church called Gimsoy. And I literally set the tripod up doing a time lapse. And oddly enough, there was a Chinese tour group. Well, actually, not lots of Chinese tour groups there. But anyway, it was a Chinese tour group there. And this lady started talking to me. Oh, sorry. Guy started talking. And all of a sudden I could just see the expression on his face, and I knew instantly what was going on. The wind was blowing my tripod over, and sure enough, half a second later, crunch and turn around and the whole back of the camera smashed. Camera itself still worked fine, actually. So I got to give thumbs up to Sony for that one. So even with a totally shattered screen and it snapped the eyepiece off completely, it actually still worked like a charm. [00:27:56] Speaker B: Wow. [00:27:58] Speaker A: Yeah. So that was the first camera killed. [00:28:00] Speaker D: Sorry, could you still see through the EVF or. [00:28:05] Speaker A: Yeah, the shroud was broken off around the outside, but the EDF itself was still working. [00:28:10] Speaker D: Okay. [00:28:11] Speaker A: And the screen, the actual screen on the back of the camera, even though it was just. It was a bit like, you know, when you see a phone that's been dropped or something like that. The whole screen shattered. So the back of the camera was the same. The screen was shattered, but it was still working like a charm, actually, and focused and everything. Apart from the shattered screen, the camera was still actually working fine, which really quite surprised me. [00:28:33] Speaker C: Can I just. Anyway, quickly, Levin, you know, I hate to point out the obvious, but if you had a lucky camera strap attached to that camera, that wouldn't have happened. [00:28:44] Speaker B: Careful, Greg. He might have. That might have caught the wind. It might have been the strap flapping in the wind that tipped to the truck. Let's just move on. No. Oh, actually, did you. Did you. Did you take your. You got some nice gloves to take over, didn't you? Did you? Didn't you? [00:29:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I did, yeah, yeah. Did you end up getting it? They were really good. Oh, I gotta say. [00:29:06] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Although it didn't turn out to be anywhere near as cold as I thought because when I was there in 2018, the temperature range from about minus 10 to minus 28. This time it ranged from plus 2 to plus 10. [00:29:19] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:29:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah, exactly the same week. It was the third week of February both times. So I just couldn't believe there's such a difference between the two. [00:29:30] Speaker C: It's huge. [00:29:31] Speaker A: But no, the gloves were awesome and I know it sounds a very underrated thing, but the best thing about those gloves was they had little sort of bands that go around your wrist and just with a short strap on. And it was so easy just to pop the gloves off and let them dangle whilst I was doing stuff with the camera. And then once I'd sort of set it all up the way, all I had to do then was just press the button to take the photo. But I put the gloves back on. But the gloves weren't dropping on the ground, they weren't getting blown away. It's a really little thing, but gee, it made a big difference. It was the most impressive thing about those gloves, actually. And they'll warm and dry and everything else. Yeah. [00:30:13] Speaker B: For anyone listening, those are their gloves. We actually sell them. Hence I brought it up. They're designed in Norway. They're. Yeah. A company called Valorant, we sell them in Australia, New Zealand on the Lucky Straps website. And I think you have this Scotty LRS zipper mint, I'm pretty sure. [00:30:35] Speaker A: Exactly right, Yep, spot on. [00:30:36] Speaker B: So you can basically like zip, it's like a mitt rather than gloves. And then you can zip off the whole mitt and. And expose your fingers and flip the thumb back so you can use the camera with it still on. Or like say you can just drop it off and have it dangling. Either or. [00:30:53] Speaker A: And because it wasn't that cold, as I said, you know, the coldest it got down to was still plus two. It was more of a wind chill than anything else. So that's why I was taking them off and on, you know. But as I say, those little bands just. Just kept them there and you didn't have to try and stuff them in your pockets or they come with. [00:31:11] Speaker B: They come with thin liners. Did you use those or you didn't worry about the liners? [00:31:15] Speaker A: No, no, I was wearing the liners underneath because they were also really good and I think it was a bit of feedback I gave you early on. The thing that I really liked about that too was the. They're touch sensitive still on the back of the screen. So you can leave those liner gloves on. And still touch the screen and change things. Do whatever you wanted to do. So, yeah, overall they're superb. Yeah. Really, really happy with them. Yeah. [00:31:40] Speaker B: Good to hear. Great ad. [00:31:42] Speaker A: I did I just send you a photo too with your lucky strap. [00:31:47] Speaker B: Did you? [00:31:47] Speaker A: It was. Yeah, I think it was on one of the feedback. Things might come to me. [00:31:53] Speaker C: Hang on. [00:31:54] Speaker A: Might have done, yeah. She might have gone to you. Gre. I got admit. Yeah, maybe. Although too short. [00:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:58] Speaker A: But I deliberately took a photo of my wrist strap when we're at a place called Hamnoy with the mountains in the background and. Yeah, I don't. [00:32:09] Speaker B: I don't know if I've seen it. [00:32:10] Speaker D: No, I think I've got it. [00:32:11] Speaker C: Hang on a sec, hang on a sec. I think I've pull it. [00:32:13] Speaker B: Can you. Can you pull it up? [00:32:14] Speaker D: Bring it up. [00:32:15] Speaker C: Can I share it? No. Oh, hang on a window. What do we got? [00:32:20] Speaker A: Here it is. [00:32:21] Speaker B: You can do this. [00:32:23] Speaker C: Can you see that? [00:32:24] Speaker D: No, no, if you bring it. There we go. It does look shape the lucky straps. [00:32:35] Speaker A: So I did that especially for you, Justin. [00:32:38] Speaker B: Thank you very much. Did you Photoshop that in or is that a real mountain in the background? [00:32:42] Speaker A: No, that's genuine. Although I have to admit it's my wife is. Who is actually the model. She's the one wearing the glove and. And that's the busted camera, which is why this. I was gonna say you can't see it. [00:32:52] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:32:55] Speaker B: You can really see the evf. [00:32:57] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:32:58] Speaker D: It's just in his lounge room, he's got that picture on the wall. He's just holding it in front of the painting. [00:33:05] Speaker B: You've. You've switched that out to adapt to the peak design. Is that what I can see the peak clippy in there? [00:33:12] Speaker A: Correct. Exactly. [00:33:13] Speaker B: How does that. How do you like that? [00:33:16] Speaker A: Oh, perfect. Just perfect. Yeah. Because to. To be honest, I've already got a peak design shoulder strap, which is why I went for the wrist one also. I know I feel a bit bad, but. But only a little bit. But also I've got the belt clip for it as well. So I've sort of. So when I wear it, I. I've got it around my shoulder, but I've also got it clipped onto the belt and that way it just cannot go anywhere. It doesn't swing around, it doesn't get in the way, that sort of stuff. So that's why I end up getting the wrist strap. But in order to keep it all together, I had a spare end fitting, shall we say, and so, yeah, I just sort of modified It. I didn't have to modify anything really. I just sort of unthreaded the strap a little bit and threaded the doohickey back on. It's all like a one minute job. Yeah, yeah. And. And now. Perfect. Yeah, yeah. So I might suggest that as an optional feature maybe for you. [00:34:09] Speaker B: But yeah, I was actually talking to someone about it last the other weekend and it's like we. Yeah. That lots of people have done it. You can definitely do it. Like we've got our own quick release system but you can, you can easily fit the peak design and clicks to them. We've just never really promoted it. But I probably should at least put some pictures up and stuff because. Well, I mean it our stuff. [00:34:33] Speaker A: Unfortunately the downside is, you know, you've probably got to purchase the peak design in true makeup. [00:34:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:34:41] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah. [00:34:43] Speaker C: For those already invested in the system and they want to move to a lucky strap. It is a simple. Like you said, it is a simple transformation. Maybe we can do a quick YouTube video. Yeah. Yep, yep. Very cool. Levin, wonderful to have you back on. You mentioned that you've got some workshops coming up, some we know weekend getaways that you wanted to talk about. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Just briefly. I've. Since I've come back from Norway I've sort of been madly trying to plan the trips here in 2026. I haven't quite finished them off yet but I'm hopefully doing two of those in February with any luck. Just got a few things to finalize. Norway's got some challenges, some very unique challenges as you might imagine with running a tour there. But anyway, in the meantime I've got a bit more time off this year and so instead of running just like a standard afternoon into the evening Astro workshop, I've decided to do a couple of two to four day getaways and so the first one is up at Lake Tyrrell and I'll tell you what, I've just got to actually look up those dates myself. I can't remember. I'm sorry, give me a second. And it's four nights. So there's two nights at Lake Tyrrell and two nights around the lakes, around the Kerang area or the Kerang Lakes as they're called. And so there's four nights all up. It's a self drive thing this one though. So basically meet you up there or follow me up, whichever grabs you. You're still there by the way, because I've just swapped screens. I just want. [00:36:18] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, we're still here. [00:36:19] Speaker A: Don't you Worry right here. Yeah. So the first one. Yeah, Lake Tyrrell, 20th to the 24th of June. So that's. Oh, there we go. Yeah, yeah. If you just go to courses to the drop down. Yep, on the top left there. Click on that. [00:36:43] Speaker C: So for anyone that wants to get a closer look at what Levin has on offer, if you head to Rear view R A R E view dot photography, is that right? [00:36:55] Speaker A: Correct, yeah, Rear view photography, yeah. [00:36:58] Speaker C: And that'll bring up Lev site. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And if you just scroll down a little bit, you'll see there's a find available. Just. Sorry, back up at top. Not sorry, just up a bit. [00:37:10] Speaker C: I'm really new to computer. [00:37:11] Speaker B: It's fun watching Greg try. [00:37:15] Speaker A: All right, so on that page there, it's got the two workshops that I'm doing. [00:37:18] Speaker C: So there's the like Getaway includes accommodation in your own private room. How much does it cost to share a room with you? Livermore welcome drinks upon arrival to get to know your fellow guests. Guide to great locations. Group lunch on Saturday at Sea Lake. All other meals will be at your own cost. And a full astrophotography training course. Four nights. [00:37:43] Speaker D: That's. Yeah, yeah, that's great value. [00:37:46] Speaker A: It's not. Yeah, but as I say, you do need to supply your own transport and as I said, I do do the group lunch, but. But yeah, you definitely got your own room every night and all that sort of stuff. And look, whilst I've plugged it as an astro course, clearly it would also involve sunset and a bit of daytime stuff and that sort of thing as well. So it's just that sort of running the astro course as part of it. But obviously there's just as much sunlight as there is at nighttime, so it's a little bit of everything. And I was up at Kerang a couple of months ago and yeah, there's some really good locations there with just dead trees around the lake and all that sort of stuff. Sounds a bit bizarre, but makes really good foreground for an astrophotography for Astrophone. And then in August I've got another one down to the Great Ocean Road. That's two or three nights, so can't remember myself now. Let me have a quick look. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Two nights. [00:38:44] Speaker A: Sorry, yeah, just a Friday and a Saturday night for that one, but basically, same deal, self drive. I supply a sort of group lunch on the Saturday, just as a bit of a social activity, that sort of thing. Staying at Fort Campbell and yeah, we'll hit, you know, all the Apostles and that sort of stuff along the Great Ocean Road. Because by that time of the year, also the Milky Way is more in the west and it just favors that direction with. In the Great Ocean Road there. [00:39:15] Speaker C: So is that the August workshop you're talking about? Sorry, mate. [00:39:18] Speaker A: Exactly. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:39:20] Speaker C: I'll just bring that back up. Sorry. [00:39:22] Speaker A: Sure, that's fine. [00:39:23] Speaker C: I've lost my screens. [00:39:24] Speaker A: I'm at it again. [00:39:26] Speaker C: Look at Greg go with a mouse. So this is a great Ocean Road workshop. [00:39:30] Speaker B: I can see why you like the Fuji with the mechanical dials. [00:39:34] Speaker C: Yeah, it's just so much easier for me. [00:39:36] Speaker D: How do you go writing stories, Greg. [00:39:40] Speaker B: Stories. [00:39:44] Speaker C: I know. I've got a typewriter. [00:39:48] Speaker B: I don't know if you can call. [00:39:49] Speaker C: Himself in the shed next to my gramophone. [00:39:52] Speaker D: Article. Sorry, Article. [00:39:55] Speaker C: I do. Okay. [00:39:57] Speaker D: He does. [00:39:57] Speaker B: I'm not good at night. [00:39:58] Speaker C: Okay, that's awesome. So there's the two getaways. So you've got the four day, four day, four night one. And then the. The gradation road. Two nights. [00:40:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm tempted. On the Lake Tyrone. [00:40:16] Speaker C: That's excellent. I'm gonna say. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Yeah, that's really good. I've been up there probably about half a dozen times now and got a few, you know, my favorite spots. But also everyone wants to photograph the bus. So we'll certainly do that one of the nights up here, there. [00:40:35] Speaker C: And. [00:40:36] Speaker A: But around the east, sorry, western side of the lake was a nice grove of dead trees on the shoreline. And so you can sort of shoot two or three ways to a certain extent. You sort of through the dead trees down towards the south and southeast to pick up the Milky Way. But then if you get a nice night where there's no wind and a little bit of water in the lake, it's just an absolute mirror finish. It's just breathtaking. And you actually walk out into the lake, but it's still only the water's still only about an inch deep at most, you know, 2 to 3 centimeters. And yeah, just. But I've worked with that good pair of gun boots and a big bucket to put your camera bag in. Because once you're out there, you cannot put anything on the ground. The second you drop something or the second you try and put it down, it's in water that's saltier than the ocean. And, yeah, whatever you dropped will not survive. It's just that simple. So I'll let you just take a big drag a big bucket out with you. And that way you can just chuck everything in there. You're not sort of trying to lumber it on your Back all night. Because that gets very tiring, trust me. But yeah, when you get the mirror finished. [00:41:41] Speaker C: Good advice. [00:41:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the little things. Gotta make life comfortable. [00:41:45] Speaker B: Just watch that tripod doesn't fall over. [00:41:48] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah, yeah, precisely. Right. I haven't had any. Well, myself and none of my guests have had any disasters yet. But. Yeah, but the good thing is that it's actually the salt out there is like concrete. Even though it's, you know, under an inch or two of water, it's rock solid and so nothing moves, nothing squelchy. It's really sort of quite unique, but you can just get some stunning reflections there on the right night when there's no wind. Yeah, it's just really quite amazing. So. So, yeah, so that's sort of basically what I'm up to. [00:42:19] Speaker C: Yep. [00:42:20] Speaker A: And yeah, as I say, still trying to throw this Norway tour together and definitely be doing a New Zealand one next year as well. So. Yeah, just gotta finish finalizing basically. But. But I thought I'd just mention these two for a moment. [00:42:32] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:42:33] Speaker C: So the, like the lecturer and the Great Ocean Road getaways, you've still got spots available for people if they're keen? [00:42:41] Speaker A: Yeah, like Tyrrell's about half. I'm only taking six maximum and I've got three for the Lake Tyrell and two for the Great Ocean Road at the moment. So, yeah, still a few spots available. [00:42:53] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. All right. [00:42:54] Speaker A: And if anybody truly needs a lift, I do have one room for one more in the car. If somebody. Because I got two of the guests who were coming down are actually coming down from Canberra and. But they know each other already, so they're just going to get into Melbourne and then hire a car and do their own thing. But if somebody does want to just bum a lift with me, they're more than welcome. [00:43:15] Speaker B: And if for any of our international listeners, Levin is a commercial pilot, so if you need a lift from somewhere further away, he should be able to. He could probably pop over and grab you from wherever you might be, Singapore. [00:43:27] Speaker D: Wherever you are in the world. [00:43:33] Speaker C: Justin's paying for us all to go to Japan at the end of the year. Can you get us business or family first class? That'd be a great. We really appreciate it. I mean we gave you a strap and a pair of gloves after all. I mean. [00:43:43] Speaker B: No. How much can we charter a private plane? And Levin does the first ever, just full, full flight to Japan full of photographers. Imagine that, the camera flight. [00:43:59] Speaker A: I think the challenge will be at the other end. [00:44:02] Speaker B: I think the Problem would be everyone. Everyone trying to sneak 20 kilos of carry on luggage because it's all camera gear and they hope no one's going notice. All, all of the overhead bins just fall out because everyone's a photographer and everyone's cheating on the rules. [00:44:22] Speaker A: Actually, I'll give you one little tip with all of that if you like. Sure do try. [00:44:27] Speaker C: Just between us. [00:44:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Our secret, if you have got your camera backpack with them, all your lithium batteries for your cameras have to be with you. You can't pack them into your suitcase. That's dangerous goods. And the lithium batteries as you know, fairly prone to catching fire. So if the fire starts down the cargo hold, you've got no way to put it out. So all your batteries, that sort of stuff have to come with you. But you can actually play that to your advantage because if your bag's a bit too big and they want to try and take it off, you just tell them there's lithium batteries in there and then they will not. They just can't take it off. So just, just a little tip. It doesn't happen often for good a bit. But yeah, somebody. And it's more of a overseas problem, particularly in America because they run out of baggage overhead locker space really, really fast. And so they'll just sort of start telling you they can't go up there. You've got to put up the cargo on. But the second you tell them you've got batteries in them. But that's it. [00:45:32] Speaker B: I'll just, I'll just recap. Your mic went a little bit strange, Levin, when you moved your cord. I don't know what's, what's happened. We lost your audio a bit, but we got, we got most of it. But I think something's still a bit. I don't know whether it pulled out. [00:45:42] Speaker D: Of the plug a little bit maybe. [00:45:47] Speaker A: Oh, I see what's happened. No, it fell off. [00:45:50] Speaker B: Oh, there it is. [00:45:51] Speaker D: There we go. [00:45:54] Speaker B: Basically. So the gist of it is if, if they say, hey, we're gonna have to put your bag underneath the plane just because we're space or, or whatever, or, or they say it's a bit heavy. If you say, oh, no problem, but it's just chock a block full of lithium batteries, they'll, they, they won't put it under the plane. [00:46:12] Speaker A: Correct. Yeah, they'll. I'll pick somebody else. So, yeah, because as I say, they legally can't. The lithium batteries have to stay in the cabin. So, yeah. So just a little tip, if that Ever happens to you? Yeah, just. [00:46:26] Speaker D: Yeah, they tried to me one day with my airport navigator that was probably about 20 kilos and all right. [00:46:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:32] Speaker D: And then they said, don't worry because, look, it's full of cameras. You're absolutely not putting it underneath the plane. And the lady said, okay, just come back at the end when there's no one else in line and you'll be fine. I was like, okay. [00:46:43] Speaker A: Okay, looked after. That's good. [00:46:45] Speaker B: So they helped you out. That's good. [00:46:46] Speaker D: Yeah, they did. It was good. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:51] Speaker A: It's your old story. If you're nice to them, they're generally nice to you. [00:46:53] Speaker D: So. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. [00:46:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:57] Speaker D: Well, yeah, they said make it. Make it look light too. [00:47:00] Speaker C: Yeah, throw it around a little. Yeah. So just to recap, guys, sorry. 11. You. You go. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Oh, I'll just go. Can I just tell one more story about Norway, if you don't mind, please? Only because after this week of horrific weather, we left the Lofoten area and we went down to a place called Bergen, which is the second largest capital city in Norway and stunningly beautiful city. If you could imagine where Hansel and Gretel live, that's Bergen. It's just. Just mind blowingly beautiful. But the day that my wife and I were walking around sightseeing, they had their highest rainfall in recorded history. It just belted down the whole day. Avalanches, road closures. The train from Bergen to Oslo was closed for two days. Airport was closed off and on, and we just got soaked. Like absolutely down to your socks soaked. It was just horrible. So. But anyway, good news is after that, it actually got better and we really did enjoy the trip, so. But yeah, it was just. I couldn't believe the difference from the 2018 to the 24. Just such a big difference. [00:48:13] Speaker C: I mean, you know, wet and cloudy weather is always a risk, no matter what sort of outdoor photography you do, but to have such a. A stark contrast in the temperature range, that's. That's amazing. [00:48:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it really was. Yeah, Absolutely shocked me. Yeah. I would never have thought it could be like that. And as I said, it was exactly the same week. Just, what, seven years apart. But, yeah, it was just such a big deal. [00:48:38] Speaker C: In Melbourne last week it felt like a heat wave, and this week it feels like winter is well and truly here. [00:48:43] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. I think it's arrived. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I think you're getting minus two up at Bendigo tonight, aren't you? [00:48:48] Speaker B: Yeah. It's going to be frosty in the morning. [00:48:49] Speaker D: Is it? [00:48:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:48:50] Speaker D: Okay. Good to know. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Yep. [00:48:54] Speaker C: Very cool. Well, look, Levin, thank you so much for. For jumping on to tell us about your trip and for business. Business flights to Japan at the end of the year and. And also for sharing with us your experience of using Lucky Straps gear as well as the. What's the name of the brand of the gloves? I should know this, but I'm Velorat Valorant, I always say. Think it's Valatin. Valorant gloves. Yeah. So that's always good. [00:49:23] Speaker B: Whatever you want. It's close enough. [00:49:25] Speaker D: Okay. [00:49:27] Speaker C: But for anyone watching or listening along, please make sure you jump on RareView Photography. Look up Levin's courses that he's got running. He's also got workshops and tours and. Yeah, just see if it's. If it takes your fancy. There's a couple of great weekend getaways there for anyone that's keen enough. But look, thanks for jumping on Levin. Always great to see you. Any. Any passing wisdom before you. Before you sign off. [00:49:58] Speaker A: On the spot? No, not at all. [00:50:00] Speaker B: No, no, the wisdom. You only get the wisdom when you go on his tours on his courses. [00:50:08] Speaker A: I'll dream something up by that stage. Yeah, look, thanks very much, guys, for having me on. Always. And thanks. Catch you later. Take care, buddy. [00:50:16] Speaker C: See ya. Bye. All right, cool. That was a fun little interlude. [00:50:24] Speaker B: It was. It's good to see. I actually really want to go to Lake Tyrrell. I saw. I think. Was it. Someone's up there with the drone workshop? Was it Tom Pott? Somebody's up to my Tyrell at the moment. [00:50:38] Speaker D: And there's a bus. [00:50:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And I've never been up there. [00:50:43] Speaker D: There was a photography thing the other day that was there with, like, models and photographers and stuff. [00:50:46] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:50:48] Speaker C: How far away is it from. From, let's say, Bendigo. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Three hours, maybe. [00:50:52] Speaker D: Three hours. [00:50:53] Speaker B: Is it towards Mildura? [00:50:56] Speaker D: Oh, it's further. Okay. [00:50:57] Speaker B: It's further. Yeah. [00:50:59] Speaker D: I thought you said Kerrang. [00:51:01] Speaker B: Oh, I mean, it is. It's. I'm sure it was further. Sea Lake. Like, Sea Lake. Sea Lake. It's. It's definitely further, and then they come back to Kerang on the tour. [00:51:14] Speaker D: Oh, I see. So that's where they're staying in Kerrang. [00:51:19] Speaker B: I think at the start, they stay in Sea Lake. [00:51:22] Speaker D: Okay. [00:51:23] Speaker B: And it's. Yeah, I'm sure it's. It's towards Mildura. [00:51:27] Speaker C: Okay. [00:51:28] Speaker B: Okay. [00:51:31] Speaker D: Yeah, it's, yeah. Three and a quarter hours from Bendigo. Okay. So it's a fair way. [00:51:35] Speaker B: What they say? [00:51:36] Speaker C: What did I say? [00:51:37] Speaker B: Why do you guys not trust me? We'll have to go on a mission up there because my Canon 20 millimeter f 1.4 lens will be arriving soon, which is pretty good. Frash drone. About as good as it gets, I would say. I'll put it through its paces. Maybe I'll make a little review on it. Oh, I got news on that later as well. [00:51:59] Speaker C: Quick question for the chat. [00:52:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, you go. No, no. What's your question? [00:52:05] Speaker C: My quick question for the chat is, has anyone had a camera topple or fall or fall off a strap? Fall off a tripod out of a bag onto hard. [00:52:16] Speaker B: Anyone fell in a pool with a camera? You know, that happens. [00:52:20] Speaker C: Wasn't really a ball. That was more of a choice. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Anyone smashed at one of their flashes, one of their strobes on an outdoor shoot because the wind gust picked up and just smashed everything. You did that in front of. In front of all the clients, a bunch of teachers and stuff. [00:52:38] Speaker D: Yeah. And kids. [00:52:40] Speaker B: And kids. And then you're just like, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. There's only two. Two flashes mounted to the same bracket. Each Flash is worth 650, plus the brackets, another couple hundred. But it's fine. And the modifier. Don't worry about the modifier because it was only a metal beauty dish that never went back into shape. But it's fine. It's fine. That's why I keep shooting. Don't worry about it. Right, yeah. Is that what you're using? [00:53:02] Speaker D: Yeah, it's definitely round and not like just holding together. [00:53:09] Speaker B: Brett Wooderson says. Yeah, Lost. Lost off a tripod at an event and luckily just a dim. That's pretty cool. Bruce Moyle. I've hit the deck jumping off a boat in Vietnam and my 16 to 35 took the brunt of it. It survived just. That's impressive. [00:53:27] Speaker C: That is impressive. [00:53:28] Speaker D: I've had. I've had a couple. [00:53:31] Speaker C: Yeah, me too. [00:53:32] Speaker D: A couple other lenses for. [00:53:34] Speaker B: Yeah, you've smashed a cup. I've got one of your smashed lenses here. [00:53:37] Speaker D: Yeah, the. The 35 to. No, the 35. No, 135. [00:53:42] Speaker B: Sorry, 135 it is. You might be able to see that. Oh, you kind of can. [00:53:48] Speaker D: It's cooked. [00:53:49] Speaker C: It's got some weird reflections. [00:53:51] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. On this, the weird reflections are just. Oh, yeah, that's the smashed. Yeah, yeah. [00:54:00] Speaker C: Does it still take photos? [00:54:03] Speaker B: No, but. But I've used this rig for some testing of some lucky camera straps. That's what people don't realize. So they're like, oh, these camera straps, they just get made. No no, we attach this to the strap and then we attach 50 kilos to the bottom of this camera. You know, this camera is strong enough, the camera is strong enough to have straps attached to these little triangle rings, to these little lugs. And this thing, this tripod screw is strong enough to have 50 kilos hanging off it. And the body's just getting stretched between 50 kilos and 1 of our camera straps hanging off camera. Is that Justin, that is a Nikon D2X beast pro bodies. They're just. Yeah, they're built different. Built different. Looks like something to make out with. You probably could make out with this. We should post it down to you. [00:55:01] Speaker C: We should. [00:55:02] Speaker D: Who knows what that if you can make it work. Well, I actually don't think I ever put it on a body again after it broke. To have like to even test it. Yeah, put your, see if you can get your eye up so we can see how bent it is. [00:55:17] Speaker B: Oh, it's got some serious problems in the focus. So it's like grinding. [00:55:25] Speaker D: Yeah. They said it wasn't repairable. [00:55:27] Speaker B: No, not repairable. [00:55:29] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:55:33] Speaker B: Anyway, we were into the news and that we still haven't finished the news and then we've still got three more segments left. This is going to be another one of those show. I reckon we're not even going to get to the last two segments, but we'll see. [00:55:45] Speaker C: In terms of the news, there's not a lot else. The one little tidbit is that Fujifilm have another summit coming up. It's the Fujifilm X Summit experience in. [00:55:57] Speaker D: LA with exciting reveal with an exciting review. What could it be? [00:56:04] Speaker C: I, I, I can't say. [00:56:08] Speaker D: Oh, you know, I saw it, I've. [00:56:11] Speaker B: Seen it and I didn't see Greg's. Greg wouldn't let me see anything because he's Secret Squirrel, but someone else let me see it and. [00:56:18] Speaker D: Doesn't sound like you're talking about cameras. [00:56:23] Speaker A: Last week we're talking about. [00:56:25] Speaker C: Last week we were talking about Justin's girth, so. [00:56:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:56:30] Speaker A: Seems to be. [00:56:31] Speaker B: Anyway, I've seen it, I haven't touched it. I've got mixed feelings on it. [00:56:39] Speaker D: Do you want to touch it? [00:56:41] Speaker B: I do want to touch it. I do want to touch it, but I feel it's going to leave me wanting. [00:56:49] Speaker D: Okay. Yeah, so I'm gonna. I know nothing about this. [00:56:54] Speaker B: It is a Fujifilm product. [00:56:56] Speaker D: Yeah. Is it like a range? [00:56:58] Speaker C: Yeah, they said it is. It's on the website. [00:57:01] Speaker D: Oh, okay. [00:57:01] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:57:02] Speaker D: I like, I know zero about this. [00:57:03] Speaker B: So, okay, so there's already been a. [00:57:05] Speaker C: Couple of teasers have gone out. There's been two teaser videos released by Fujifilm Global onto their socials. [00:57:14] Speaker B: Bruce says it's another digital crop button. [00:57:18] Speaker C: Probably that will love it. [00:57:19] Speaker B: It's got digital lenses. [00:57:25] Speaker C: Now. Well, Fujifilm have been teasing a new product on their socials. They've gone so far as to show a silhouette, but that's all we know for the next couple of days. [00:57:38] Speaker B: Okay, can we talk about the biggest camera release of the week? And I'm going to preface it by saying is anyone currently listening now or in the future leave a comment below. Does anyone shoot Lumix? Anyone? [00:57:56] Speaker C: Crickets. Just crickets. [00:57:58] Speaker B: Lumix released a couple of cameras and video people are going crazy. [00:58:04] Speaker D: Or does he shoot om. [00:58:07] Speaker B: I can't remember. [00:58:09] Speaker A: Does he shoot something? [00:58:10] Speaker B: Can't remember. [00:58:11] Speaker C: So Loomis have dropped the, the S1 mark two. [00:58:13] Speaker B: There he is. Jim's right. Rick does. [00:58:17] Speaker D: I remembered Rick. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Rick, what do you think? What do you think of him? Because like the specs sound pretty good. Videographers are frothing. These cameras, they're going crazy. Gerald Undone says they're just amazing. Amazing video specs, dynamic range, they're. I don't know, they've got a few weird things about them like their top spec model. So basically their, their top spec model which is the. What is it? S12, S12 and the S12E. The E is the cheaper model. The S12 has a heap of high end video specs and it's even got, it's got 70 frames per second. Raw shooting. [00:59:08] Speaker C: Yeah, 70 FPS raw. It shoots 5.1 K 60p. It has 15 stops of dynamic range. [00:59:18] Speaker B: But kind of in certain modes. Yeah, there's a lot. I looked into that. Yep. It's. It depends on lower frame rates. It's running like a dual gain combined sort of thing. So it wouldn't be good for action. But yeah, for studio shots it would probably work well. [00:59:38] Speaker C: Whereas the S1 2e, it's, it's a 24 megapixel sensor. It's 6K open gate. [00:59:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So I had to google what open gate. Do you know what open gate is, Greg? [00:59:52] Speaker C: Isn't it to do with the full use of the sensor? [00:59:55] Speaker B: Yes. [00:59:56] Speaker C: So like three by two. [00:59:59] Speaker B: It's the sensors aspect ratio because it's open gate. So it's like rather than being a 16 by 9 crop or whatever crop the camera happens to be working in, it's all the data from the sensor top to bottom. It's A fancy word. And I was like, what is open gate? I never use it. I don't know. But yeah, it's just. It's basically giving videographers the entire sensor to work with. [01:00:20] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:00:21] Speaker C: 30 FPS burst and 14 plus stops of dynamic range, whatever the plus means in video V log. So it's an impressive. You're right. It's an impressive videography tool. [01:00:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And a useful hybrid camera. Like I think, I think it's still quite a useful photography camera from what they say. First stupid thing I saw in one of the comments is 70 frames per second. Right. Is like high burst mode. And I don't, don't quote me on this, but I don't think their buffers are up to scratch compared to like, you know, a Canon or Sony or Nikon buffer. So this, that's kind of like 70 frames per second is very fast too. So it's like it's filling the buffer really quick. [01:01:06] Speaker C: Yep. [01:01:06] Speaker B: So it's like, okay, you've got 70 frames a second. That's a bit too much. I'm going to go down a bit the next level down 10. [01:01:14] Speaker D: That's that. [01:01:16] Speaker B: That. He's got nothing between 10 frames a second. No. You can select mine now. Canon always used to do it, but even when they used to do it it was like 20 frames a second and then down to 12 or whatever, which was still too big of a jump for me. I wanted to like fine tune. I wanted to have the ability to customize it but. But it was never a jump like that. That. That's crazy. [01:01:40] Speaker D: That's. [01:01:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's like 10 frames a second. Isn't. I mean it's fine for sports, but it's not what like most people these days want to be shooting sports at 15 and then higher if it's an odd choice. Really fast action. Yeah. To just go straight from 70 down to 10 is. Is weird. I'm sure they'll fix that with firmware. [01:01:58] Speaker D: Yeah, the firmware. [01:01:58] Speaker C: But are they doing it to just to go, oh, here we can do it and we'll fix up the middle bit later. Do you think that's what it is? [01:02:05] Speaker D: Maybe. [01:02:06] Speaker B: I guess they wanted. They wanted that 70 frames a second selling point and then forgot that that's not super usable and forgot to do any of the other stuff. [01:02:16] Speaker D: You can shoot for 1.5 seconds and then that's it. [01:02:19] Speaker C: The battery size. [01:02:20] Speaker D: Realistically, that's probably what it is. Yeah, probably 100 shot buffer. That's. That's big. 70 gram per second. Of raw or raw. [01:02:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:31] Speaker B: Yep, that's what it says. [01:02:32] Speaker D: Electronic Wonder. [01:02:33] Speaker B: I haven't seen anyone test it, so there's a few, few good comments here. First of all, actually, I'll say Bruce's comment. He says, I've worked with them. They are interesting. They finally got autofocus working. That has been something. And I still don't know where they're at in terms of where they land in the. In the sort of world of autofocus amongst other camera brands. But apparently this is quite an improvement over what they've had in the past. So that'll be interesting to see. Rick Nelson says I'm really excited for them. They all blow away my S5 mark two. No, but yeah, well, close enough. Bruce says Open Gate is the whole sensor and not cropped to 16 by 9. Rick Nelson says Open Gate is wonderful to use. Do you shoot video, Rick? What sort of video stuff you shooting? Rick says I have to admit though, Lumix is pumping so much into their cameras for creators, especially the anamorphic in camera support port. Okay, right. So they're really going after video creators specifically even though they can shoot images. They're not really. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Isn't everyone at the moment? [01:03:42] Speaker B: Yes they are. [01:03:43] Speaker C: Yeah. Not, not to, not to knock Rick's comment. It's, it's a, it's a poignant point because. Feels like. And this will probably lead to our vertical limit topic later, but it feels like that camera brands are going, oh hang on. All these young creators are doing everything video or hybrid and so they're really, they're really marketing to that demographic at the moment. [01:04:11] Speaker B: And maybe it's also a function of like most cameras take pretty good stills now. You know, do we need to be putting our R and D into that side of it when they're all pretty decent? Like let's, let's push the video side. Yeah, that's true. Rick also says they're still behind Nikon Z8Z9 and the Canon R5 Mark II autofocus, which means they're miles behind the Canon R1. [01:04:38] Speaker C: Yeah, but those flagship bodies are pretty bloody impressive when it comes to. [01:04:47] Speaker B: It's also a completely different level. Well actually, no, I would. Yeah, actually they're not. Not completely different price point. They're a little bit cheaper than a Z8 and an R5 Mark II I think, but not miles away. But they're, they're definitely a long way from flagship pricing as well for these cameras. So Rick says Open Gate recording allows you to record a YouTube style video and crop to social. Real TikTok style. Yeah. Because you're getting that extra height, which I mean you can do anyway. But it obviously it just gives you more height to play with so that it's. Yeah. So you'll end up with more data. [01:05:27] Speaker D: Not like me at the moment. That has. [01:05:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:30] Speaker D: Missing my screen. [01:05:31] Speaker B: You don't even have. You don't even have closed gate. You've just got no gate. [01:05:35] Speaker D: No gate. [01:05:36] Speaker B: Stupid nickname. This is what I was googling today. So the advantage of Lumix, Bruce model says, is the lens alliance they have, which they have this L mount alliance with, with Leica and Sigma. So they've got a crazy amount of lenses, which is what it makes it really interesting because it's like, why would you buy a Leica SL2 or SL3 or whatever when you can get these Lumixes for far less money and still buy the fancy Leica lenses if that's what you really want? [01:06:09] Speaker D: Because you want the red button. [01:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not a red button. It's a red dot. [01:06:15] Speaker D: You can buy the $250 button. [01:06:18] Speaker B: The dot is in a button. [01:06:18] Speaker D: It goes on the top. [01:06:20] Speaker B: No, the dot doesn't. It's not a button. It's just a dot. [01:06:23] Speaker D: No, the shutter one. You can, you can buy the one, the red one that screws into that. Yeah. [01:06:27] Speaker B: Oh yeah. But that's not the same as the red dot on the front of the. Like. [01:06:30] Speaker D: I know, but you buy that. Did you buy the red button that goes on the top? [01:06:35] Speaker B: I bought a black button that has a small red stripe on it and it often falls off a lot. And even though it's a genuine Leica accessory, it's unscrewed itself multiple times. And I thought, why did I buy this? Why? They're easy to lose. [01:06:49] Speaker C: To Jim's point, some people prefer to have native camera and lens combos. [01:06:56] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:06:56] Speaker C: You know, like why would you get a. Why would you buy a Leica when you could just buy a Lumix? But some people prefer to have Leica lenses like a bodies because it feels better together. I don't buy third party lenses. I'd much rather stick with the Fuji native glass. That's just me. [01:07:13] Speaker D: I noticed like on my like my Tamron 35 to 150 unless it's perfect condition. So if it's like backlit and stuff like that, like it is. It's lower contrast. Like it isn't as nice as the Nikon glass. But it's also a priced. [01:07:29] Speaker B: It's not. It's nice to have the option though. [01:07:31] Speaker C: It is, yeah. Oh, yeah. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Because I don't. Yeah. [01:07:36] Speaker D: I can only buy Canon, so there was like one lived one, so you couldn't. You could buy it for like a week. [01:07:44] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [01:07:46] Speaker C: I'm sure there's some somewhere on the black market. [01:07:48] Speaker B: Samyang. The Samyang on the Dark Web. [01:07:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:52] Speaker B: You have to go deep to find those. But I think that's coming. I think we're. We're making progress towards getting third party. There's. There's more rumble tonight. [01:08:02] Speaker C: Yeah, there was a couple of articles about rumors about it's happening. Interesting. But I think that's about it for the news. [01:08:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. We should probably move on pretty quick because we're, we're trucking through this show. We're not even halfway. [01:08:21] Speaker C: All right. Who is James? [01:08:23] Speaker B: Who is James? Well, that's James. [01:08:29] Speaker D: His name is Jim, but name's James. [01:08:35] Speaker B: Technically his name is Jim and he started a new business. When did you start the. The boudoir business, Jim? [01:08:44] Speaker D: Sort of started doing stuff in mid 2023. Really got serious kind of end of 23, starter 24 and launched at the start of 24 and then. But I was still recovering a little bit from my accident, so didn't do too much. Kind of mid 24 to the start of 25 and then it started again. So. [01:09:07] Speaker B: And what's it called by James? [01:09:12] Speaker D: Boudoir. I feel like we have brought it up before. We have looked at, you know, not. [01:09:16] Speaker B: Every, not everyone listens every week, Jim. There's new listeners. Which one show? I've got a. Paint the picture, tell the story. [01:09:23] Speaker C: Yeah, we're on the March of 2000, Jim. [01:09:24] Speaker A: Come on. [01:09:25] Speaker B: March to 2000. Just. Just answer my questions. So you built a new arm of your business or essentially a new business even though it sits within your overall photography business? [01:09:37] Speaker D: Yes. [01:09:38] Speaker B: Why did you decide to re. To have a different brand, to run another social media presence and have to sort of do, you know, new website, all that sort of stuff under a. A new name. What was the plan for that? [01:09:51] Speaker D: Well, I wanted to separate it a little bit from like Justin and Jim, our other photography business, because I didn't really feel like it was fair to be putting your name on it when maybe you weren't. Didn't want to be associated with it or something like that or. [01:10:06] Speaker C: He doesn't do any work anyway. So there's a. There's a good point. Reason. [01:10:10] Speaker D: Well, that, that too. And, and also I wanted to separate it just in case I wasn't sure how it was going to go. So I wanted to have it slightly separated but still kind of like slightly linked. If, if you dive deep and like it's not neither a business are hidden from each other kind of thing. Like the. [01:10:28] Speaker B: Yeah, like you, you'll sometimes cross. Cross promote. Yeah, you don't, you don't like collaborate. [01:10:32] Speaker D: On posts and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:10:35] Speaker B: But it's just run as a different brand. So the reason I'm bringing all this up is. So you had a shoot today? Yes. [01:10:41] Speaker D: Yeah, three shoots today and I got four tomorrow. [01:10:45] Speaker B: Three. Three today, Four tomorrow. Tell us about that. Because it seems like you've made that a. Not like, what would you call it? Not a group booking but like you've planned this around a two day shoot to have multiple clients. What's the, what's the plan? Why did you do it that way and how did it unfold? [01:11:03] Speaker D: I sort of found the hardest thing, I guess with the boudoir stuff is location so that people get keen for a shoot. But then if you start talking about Airbnbs or you know, their own home, I guess some people, you know, they're just not everyone's houses is kind of to them maybe photo ready. Like we could shoot anything anywhere. But yeah, so what I've done is I like, I'll organize location. I like also organize a makeup artist if they want so that she was there today, she won't be there tomorrow. But that was super helpful. And then yeah, we sort of takes a few of the, I guess, roadblocks out of it. And yeah, so like today was an epic Airbnb and we'll be back there tomorrow. [01:11:49] Speaker B: Same. Same place. [01:11:51] Speaker D: Same place. Yeah. Yeah. [01:11:52] Speaker B: You could have stayed there tonight. [01:11:54] Speaker D: Yeah. Oh, so I don't, I don't have it overnight, just got it during the day, but we probably could. [01:11:59] Speaker B: Okay, so you organized a special deal with that Airbnb saying basically, hey, we're not staying there, it's for a photo shoot. And, and yeah, organized kind of, I guess, special rates or whatever. Different. A different. Yeah, yeah. [01:12:13] Speaker D: And that took me like a while to find someone that would be, I guess willing to do that as well. Because I guess some people, it's too hard, they just go, oh no, it's gonna be this and that to clean it. But like I think that they look after it themselves. And you know, she was like, well, midweek bookings, you. We don't often get them so yeah, let's do it kind of thing, see how it goes. So. [01:12:37] Speaker B: Bruce and, Bruce and Rick were Both thinking the exact same thing. Jim's Boudoir. I can see the franchise signs in my mind's eye. Bruce just, like, turns up with a ute in a trailer. [01:12:52] Speaker D: I did turn up with a ute. [01:12:55] Speaker C: G' day. [01:12:55] Speaker B: G' day. It's Jim's Boudoir. I'm just here to take the photos. Yeah, it's just a silhouette on the side. You get sued so badly. [01:13:08] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, it sucks. [01:13:12] Speaker B: Bruce has a question. How are you dealing with Airbnb and their insurance? Or is this a off Airbnb kind of, kind of situation with the owners, which. [01:13:22] Speaker D: Because they run their own business anyway, so, yeah, privately. [01:13:28] Speaker B: Cool. Okay. So the shoots today, how long does each shoe go for? [01:13:35] Speaker D: About two hours, sort of. So I allow two and a quarter hours between each, like, starting the first shoot and the second shoot. Starting just gives you, you know, a little bit of time at the end. But yeah, supposed to be two hour shoot. [01:13:46] Speaker B: Okay. [01:13:47] Speaker D: The third shoot went for about three and a half hours. [01:13:51] Speaker B: And was that. Was that planned to go like that or is that just because you had no one else coming in at the end of the day, so you just kept kind of experimenting and it was. [01:13:59] Speaker D: Planned to go longer just because, you know, didn't have anyone else in. And that was more. So that shoot wasn't a paid shoot, the third one, it was more of a collaboration shoot to help then book future. Future work at the place. And also. Yeah. And just in general, so. [01:14:16] Speaker B: So why would you do a collaboration shoot? You're doing multiple other shoots anyway. Is it because that person agrees to using the photos for marketing? Whereas obviously the nature of boudoir shoots, not everyone's comfortable with. With you using their photos for marketing, like, people are with weddings and that kind of stuff. [01:14:36] Speaker D: Yeah, 100%. So. And even with weddings, like, not. Not everyone is comfortable. And I guess, like, with weddings, it was probably a 99. Okay. Right. And that whenever someone's like, I don't want it on social media or online, we were always like, no worries. We've got hundreds of other wedding photos. We can share thousands kind of thing. So it was never a problem with this. It's probably a little bit more limited and it is handy having people that are okay with sharing the images. Yeah. So, yeah, that's the collaboration shoot that they give up some time. They get some free photos and then I also get, like, free photos and it helps. Kind of helps both of us, so. [01:15:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, sorry. Go. [01:15:23] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:15:25] Speaker C: Do you ever find. Because you, you know, you've got the wedding component of the business and you've got the, the boudoir component. Do you ever find that your wedding guests, like, do you introduce your wedding guest, say the bride and groom to your boudoir photography, say also I do this. Is that something you're interested in or do you just let it, leave it to organically come about? [01:15:48] Speaker D: Leaving it organically at the moment, maybe that might change like in the future and as I guess it gets busier and like today shoot, the first shoot, the girl's getting married soon so we did a bit of like a wedding theme for one of the shots that she'll sort of organize for her partner. And like I'm not their wedding photographer but you know, say potentially in the future, like I might be. So then you potentially would, you know, I guess cross collaborate and stuff like that. So. [01:16:18] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:16:19] Speaker D: I'm mindful of not, I guess forcing it down like the wedding client's throat, you know, our wedding business, that you're not changing what you do. It's just an occasional collaboration. So. [01:16:32] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:16:35] Speaker B: Good question from Bruce. Are you selling packages or doing it as like in person sales where they, you know, where they don't pay much for the shoot but they pay a lot for the images or. Yeah. How have you structured pricing and that sort of stuff? [01:16:47] Speaker D: Yeah, so for these shoots they're getting like location, hair, makeup and the two hour shoot with I think 15 edited images and that's 495. And then. So like that's yeah, reasonable for me. But then the idea is to then try and sell them a bigger image package or hopefully an album or something like that. Depending on. Everyone's going to want something different. So some people might just take the 15 files, some people might want more, some in. It just depends. So. Yeah, it's not time to come up. [01:17:27] Speaker C: Oh, sorry, sorry. I was just going to say do you deliver prints as well with the, with the finished product? [01:17:32] Speaker D: No, not for this. [01:17:33] Speaker C: No, not for this. [01:17:34] Speaker D: Like I can and I would but yeah, not. Yeah, not, not in that package. No, it's just a, from like today, it's just a digital, digital image package. [01:17:44] Speaker C: Cool. [01:17:45] Speaker B: And then, and then you try to sell them more stuff after they've seen the images. Not, not up front with like bigger packages and things like that. Or you do a bit of both. [01:17:55] Speaker D: So like from today I'll color the shoots down to whatever I think that they might want. And they generally are a fairly loose cull because sometimes people, they might just like a photo of them that you might be like, oh, I'm not sure about that one. But they're like, no, I love that one. So, yeah, I'll sort of do a reasonably loose curl and then we'll actually go through it together and then kind of cull it down. So we might then do another, say, two or three passes over that. I might call it to 150 to 200 photos, which sounds like a lot. But then when you're going through it with them, you call it back to like 50, 40, 30. And then you're like, oh, that's. That's kind of the 30 that we want. [01:18:31] Speaker C: Yep. [01:18:31] Speaker D: And then I'll go for it through and edit those and then. Yeah, either put together just the digital images or into. Into an album. [01:18:39] Speaker C: Yep. [01:18:40] Speaker B: Okay, nice. Do they know that you shoot Nikon when they book you or is that a disappointment you have to talk them through after they arrive? And how do you handle. No, I'm just. I'm kidding. What's your most commonly used lens when you're shooting? Don't. [01:18:55] Speaker D: So don't mean to tell you what I shot today. [01:18:58] Speaker C: Yeah, please. [01:19:00] Speaker D: Yeah. So I'll tell you of everything, not just those. So I shot four and a half thousand photos today. [01:19:07] Speaker B: Holy moly. 30 frames a second. [01:19:17] Speaker D: Five frames. I think it's on the 105. I shot eight photos. [01:19:24] Speaker B: Okay. So you wouldn't buy 105 for boudoir, actually. [01:19:28] Speaker D: Sorry. No, that. Sorry. That was eight videos on. On the 20th. [01:19:34] Speaker B: Greg trying to use a computer. [01:19:35] Speaker D: Oh, it says, it says unknown. [01:19:37] Speaker B: I'm still in the room. [01:19:38] Speaker D: It says unknown lens. And I thought that that might. I mean, Lightroom catalog. I thought that was like, oh, that must have been the 105. I actually didn't shoot with it. So I shot 300 photos in the 28. 1.4. And I shot 4200 on the 50. 1.2. [01:19:55] Speaker B: So the 50, I've lost it. Bruce says most of them are of his feet. So the 50, you've just got that thing on almost all day. Yeah. [01:20:08] Speaker D: Was a good size space that I could get far enough back that I could, you know, shoot full length, you know, details. The 50 just works well. And most of them, I probably shot it reasonably. Aperture. Yeah, almost half at 1.2. [01:20:32] Speaker B: We've lost Greg. [01:20:33] Speaker D: He's gone. Lost Greg. [01:20:35] Speaker B: But we've actually, we've picked up Greg Carrick in the chat. So that's a, you know, it's a Greg. Greg for Greg. Yeah. Hey, Greg. Okay, well, that was the main questions I wanted. So you've Got. Okay, the final question. Oh no, two more questions. [01:20:49] Speaker D: You were asking about marketing, I think at one point as well in the. [01:20:52] Speaker B: Oh, I did, yeah, I did want to find out about marketing. I wanted to find out basically how you booked. So I want to know all of these questions. How did you book the clients? How did you light the shoot? And after shooting today, do you have anything that you're going to do differently tomorrow from the way today unfolded? [01:21:17] Speaker D: Yeah, sorry, you're gonna have to ask question. I'm not good enough. But how did I book the clients? So I put a post out. I put up like I put a post out and just said, hey, we're doing the shoot. It's about, It's a like 50 discount on what a normal shoot would cost. [01:21:36] Speaker B: So that would normally be a thousand and the fifty. [01:21:41] Speaker D: I worked it out just over a thousand dollars if you paid for like say the Airbnb individually, my normal two hour shoot individually. And then the hair and makeup, that would be, you know, that would work out about. Yeah, just over. [01:21:52] Speaker B: But because, but because you're doing it as a group in over two days and you're using the same place and all that sort of stuff rather than them having to book you as a one off and it being that expensive, they can, it can be half the price. Okay, perfect. [01:22:05] Speaker D: Yeah. And you can justify it, you know, like doing four shoots in the day, it's, it's worth it kind of thing. So yeah, so that's how. So I just put out posts on Instagram and just did a couple of like ads. Nothing too crazy, just photos. Like I need to do some reels and stuff like that to kind of get it, get it going a bit better. But yeah, that's. What was the second question? [01:22:31] Speaker B: Second question was lighting. Did you need to use strobes or any video lights or, or did you use all natural light in the Airbnb? [01:22:41] Speaker D: No. So I used a mixture of natural light and then also I lit some with my Godox tube lights which you can see colored behind me. Okay, so probably bring up. No. No strobes. No, not at all. Okay. Shot some inside. There was like a cool deck. So. Shot some outside. Yeah, but mostly, mostly inside. Natural light. There's, it's beautiful light there today. It was sensational. So it's, that always makes it better. It made it like really easy. Just. And, and I guess shooting in their place all day just watching the light change. Like we got cool light in the morning and the last shoot of the day we got epic like sunlight Coming through, like, the windows. [01:23:29] Speaker B: So they can just shoot a little slightly different bit of flavor with the lighting and stuff, too, without you having to think, okay, I don't want to just do the same stuff with a different model, essentially different client. You know, the light helps inspire you to change up your shooting. [01:23:44] Speaker D: Yep. [01:23:45] Speaker B: That's cool. Finally, is there anything that you know from today that coming into tomorrow you're like, all right, I'm going to do this differently. I'm going to attack this differently. I'm going to make him a coffee first. I'm going to, you know, like, what, what, what. What do you think you can improve or change for tomorrow shoot? [01:24:03] Speaker D: So I, like, I. I made sure there's, like, snacks and food and, like, fruit and everything like that. Not gonna do anything too crazy differently yesterday. Probably the only thing I worked out in the last shoot was, like, lighting. There's, like, a cool white bathroom. So throw, like, one of the tube lights in there on a color and then have them, like, in the doorway using the natural light from the window, like, in the lounge room. Actually worked out, like, really well. So there was, like, a cool color background, but then door frame and then them in the doorway, like, lit with natural light. Worked really well. So just kind of, I guess figuring those little things out over the day helped. But, yeah, won't be doing anything too differently. It all worked pretty well. The timing was good. So. Yeah. [01:24:53] Speaker C: And how much. Can I ask a question, please? How much more cost effective would you say it is doing it in this sort of booking the one space for a couple of days versus all of your individual, say, bookings, you know, different locations or similar locations. [01:25:10] Speaker D: Yeah. You've then probably got to, like, on. Pass on, like, the cost of the venue and, like, the makeup artists and stuff. Like, having the makeup artist there today was a huge help that, you know, she was there for, like, three hours in the end, maybe four actually, because we started so early. So, like, yeah, having her on site is a, you know, big help that you couldn't just have for that one shoot every now and then. So sort of bunching it together really helps, and it keeps. Keeps costs down. But for me and. And for everyone else, and it's handy, like, shooting there all day as well. [01:25:48] Speaker C: But the flip side of that is, do you then feel pressure that you've now got five, no, seven shoots that you're going to have to edit, prep, deliver? [01:25:57] Speaker D: Not. Not really. No. Not when I've shot a lot of weddings. [01:26:00] Speaker B: So I was gonna say, yeah, it's less Than less than two hours weddings. Yeah. [01:26:05] Speaker D: Yeah. Seven small. Like that's what I shot today was like four and a half thousand photos. Which probably sounds like a lot to most people, but that's like an eight hour wedding. [01:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Paul Henderson was trying to work out how many photos per minute but he says too hard. But yeah, it's, it's a lot. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot, but it's not, it's not really like Jimmy says, you know, you shoot a wedding and you come home with that. That same amount of photos just sounds like a lot for Boudoir because they don't move so much. Kind of just I assume unless you running around. [01:26:36] Speaker D: No, they, they moved pretty. [01:26:44] Speaker C: Do a couple of burpees, get into the mood? [01:26:46] Speaker D: I think 9.35 per minute. [01:26:50] Speaker B: Oh yeah. So it's not too bad, is that right? Too bad at all? [01:26:54] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:26:55] Speaker B: I have no idea. [01:26:55] Speaker C: I don't know. You're the one with the calculator, mate. [01:26:57] Speaker B: It doesn't sound right. No. Bruce says makeup artists are great to have around as they can spot things that you miss and do touch ups. Especially if you get someone that can do hair. Because not all makeup artists do hair. But yes, that's a good point. If they can help touch up hair and stuff too. [01:27:16] Speaker D: Yeah. So my makeup artist doesn't do hair but during the first shoot, because she was there for the first shoot and the second like part of the second shoot, she actually changed the first girl's lips from pink to red, which was awesome. So we had like a different look for the second half of the shoot which you just wouldn't get if you. If she wasn't there. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We need to show you guys some photos once, once it's all, all done. [01:27:42] Speaker C: Yeah, we look forward, looking forward to it definitely. And that, ladies and gentlemen, and everyone else in between is. Who's James? [01:27:51] Speaker B: Who's James? It's Jim. Unfortunately. We barely even have time for the last two. We could probably do one of them maybe fast. I don't know. Should we do. Should we do the size matter or vertical limit? [01:28:05] Speaker C: I've got some thoughts on Size does matter. No, vertical limit is a much bigger topic. [01:28:10] Speaker B: But that's what I made. I made the title of the show. It was going to be about this and people will feel ripped off. [01:28:15] Speaker C: It's our show. [01:28:17] Speaker B: See if the chat has anything to say about it. They're both good topics but we can save them. I knew this was going to happen. This Might be the theme of the random photography shows that we never get through all the topics. Just a backlog. And. Well, I did. I did actually think, because does size matter? Came back from last week. I was like, I wonder how long, if I keep putting it at the back, how long it could be, could be unfold. Rick Nelson says do both. Bruce says, we're all vertical. Brett says vertical. We're doing vertical. [01:29:00] Speaker D: What's vertical limit? [01:29:02] Speaker B: Well, first of all, first of all, if you haven't seen the movie from the year 2000, put it on your list. I feel like I've seen it. Yeah, you should have seen it. Everyone's seen it. But it's worth. So, yeah, obviously, obviously everyone is going to vertical content. [01:29:30] Speaker C: Not everyone. [01:29:32] Speaker B: It's not everyone. But like anything that's going to be trending or popular or something that businesses want to exploit or anything like that is going vertical. So much so that when I was wandering around the Croydon camera house trade show thing, I'm seeing cameras, lots of creator bundles, everything. Every camera is getting a tripod mount. So you don't even need an L bracket anymore. They've just got tripod mounts on the. On the side. See that? The cannons and stuff had the tripod mount on the side. And native vertical content creation is getting pushed pretty hard by the industry at the moment. Like really hard. And Craig, I Hope you're kidding. YouTube switching to vertical next year. I saw. I saw it on the Internet. They better not. It. It feels like everything's going that direction. And then I keep getting reminded every time I watch a documentary that's on a modern topic now on like Netflix or something, I get reminded how shit vertical content is. Every time you have to watch a freaking vertical video on an actual TV and you realize how terrible that format is for storytelling because it leaves out so much context and it's so narrow. And unless it's essentially a person just standing there, there's not really any other benefit to vertical other than the fact that it perfectly fits this device that we've all got attached to. So where I'm at, why I'm at my vertical limit and I can no longer consume content vertically is because I think that at the moment, it feels like our entire world has to be vertical to fit into this phone. But I don't think we're going to be here for very long. I think in seven years, this won't be seven years. This won't be the device that we're primarily making content for anymore. [01:31:51] Speaker D: What will it be? [01:31:55] Speaker B: The goggles they come. Oh, no, they're coming. Glasses, goggles, they're coming. And I want to know what you guys and what the chat thinks, or are we. Are we going to be looking at these stupid vertical screens for 30 years? What do you think? Because I think they're not long for this world. [01:32:19] Speaker C: Well, what were we doing seven years ago? How were we consuming media? Very like, limited vertical content. It was all people trying to squish landscape. Into a phone screen. [01:32:34] Speaker D: Yeah. Into a square. [01:32:36] Speaker C: Into a. Yeah. To that kind of weird square. [01:32:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:32:40] Speaker C: I don't know. I don't know. The glasses are the answer. I don't. I think that we will always have some sort of device that's pocketable, that allows us to connect. And even if that means that maybe it's. I don't know, maybe it's smartphones, smart watches. Sorry. [01:32:58] Speaker B: Yep. I don't know that, you know, what an appropriate aspect ratio for a wrist would be. Certainly wouldn't be vertical. Plenty of space. Horizontal. So we're going back to horizontal. [01:33:12] Speaker D: When you were on your rant, Justin, I thought, here's maybe a new idea, a new business idea. And Paul said it as well. Well, easy mount your TV vertical. But what I was thinking, right, is you know how you've got, like a TV mount, but you have a TV mount with a motor in the back that switches. [01:33:28] Speaker B: It's. The problem is it's not. It's not the size of it. A phone the size of a building still tells a shitty story because it's vertical. It doesn't mean just having your TV mounted vertically isn't a. Isn't good. It doesn't make for good cinema. [01:33:48] Speaker A: So you. [01:33:48] Speaker C: You hit 40 and really, really drove into that angry old man phase straight away, didn't you? [01:33:54] Speaker D: Yeah, he's like a month in and he's like, I know. [01:33:57] Speaker C: It's like it's been not even a month. And you're angry. [01:34:01] Speaker B: I am angry. Let's see, am I wrong? Like, is vertical. Does anybody actually like vertical in the Mavic 4? [01:34:08] Speaker C: Doesn't the Mavic 4 now have that weird little. Yes, you can. It has converted screen, which they've had. [01:34:14] Speaker B: In a few other drones. [01:34:15] Speaker C: They've had a few more prominent now. [01:34:18] Speaker B: Oh, you mean that as the screen on the controller. Yeah, you can actually. [01:34:21] Speaker C: And when you turn the screen, the camera on the. The gimbal on the. On the drone. Sorry. Spins. [01:34:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:27] Speaker C: 90 degrees this. [01:34:29] Speaker B: So this little fella does it too. This little pocket thing. I don't know if I'll get It. [01:34:35] Speaker D: Right. [01:34:36] Speaker B: Because sometimes it just turns off. Yeah, that'll just turn off. But if I don't have it set, I've got my flippy screen set, so. So that if I switch it, it turns off. But you can also have it set to just go to vertical. If you flip the screen vertical, the gimbal goes to vertical. So same kind of thing we've often. [01:34:53] Speaker C: We've talked about recently. Cameras either offering, you know, the crop. The vertical crop on. On. On sensor and even. What was it. Was it the. The APSC Nikons brought in those frame lines for. [01:35:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:35:14] Speaker C: Remember, you had to pay for them for vertical frame. [01:35:17] Speaker B: No, no, no. That was. That was APS C cannons, and those were vertical frame lines. They were specifically for shooting, like, kids at schools. It was really like a. More of a. It was a frame like a framing line as opposed to like a vertical content line. So. Okay, the chat's with me. Okay, Bruce. Bruce did also say he doesn't see it going away anytime soon, but this is the point I was getting at. Bruce says, I hate cutting vertical content shooting. It sucks as well. I agree. Greg Carrick says if we were meant to watch vertical, our eyes would be below one another. Exactly. [01:35:51] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:35:51] Speaker B: We're horizontal people. [01:35:54] Speaker D: Do you. Do you want to know? So, Justin, when I was shooting for the musician a few months ago, I shot video. So I shot photo and video. All my photos pretty much shot would. Would have been a horizontal. Just about some of them would have been portrait. [01:36:07] Speaker B: Yep. [01:36:08] Speaker D: All the video I shot for him, I shot in portrait mode. [01:36:12] Speaker B: Did you. You held your camera like a. Like a goose. Like this. [01:36:16] Speaker D: Yeah. And look, look. Looked like that because he. The only, like, the only place he can. He's going to use that content is on Instagram and Facebook and he's going to regret it. [01:36:25] Speaker B: He's going to regret it when he gets famous. And Netflix are like, hey, have you got any archival footage we can cut into this documentary about you? And then you got to do that stupid thing where you blur it out to the edges to try and fill up the screen. [01:36:36] Speaker C: I can't stand that. When they do that, this is what's. [01:36:41] Speaker B: Happening to the world. [01:36:42] Speaker C: They make it like a really bad blur. So it's distracting you on the outer. [01:36:46] Speaker D: Edges from what's like. Is that the same shot? Is it somewhere else? [01:36:49] Speaker C: But it is, but they've kind of just stretched it and distorted it to fill in that space in the background. [01:36:54] Speaker D: Oh, it's awful. [01:36:55] Speaker B: So Levin is on it with me. Your sunglasses will become your phone in the future. I agree. And I actually think it is very likely that. Yeah. It would be tied to maybe a wristwatch or something. Maybe not everyone wears glasses. We will in the future. Not everyone used to. Not everyone used to carry around one of these, but. [01:37:15] Speaker D: And now you couldn't. You wouldn't leave the house without it now. [01:37:18] Speaker B: That's right. [01:37:20] Speaker D: But most. Most of my shots that I shoot with the boudoir. Justin. Almost all vertical. [01:37:27] Speaker B: As. But that's for. Because that's what they want or because that's how you're seeing that particular shot. [01:37:33] Speaker D: Mostly because like if they're standing up, the human body is easier to. Like it's longer than it is. So. [01:37:40] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:37:41] Speaker D: It does make it a bit easier. [01:37:43] Speaker B: And when. That's when it's just that. And you want to isolate that from the background and not tell a story with the background. That's one time when shooting in that aspect ratio works. And that's why here. Where is it? Where is it someone lying down. [01:37:59] Speaker C: You're shooting. [01:37:59] Speaker B: Greg said. I blame portrait photographers. They ruined it for all of us. Exactly. There was a reason that we used to shoot with the camera in that aspect ratio because it really suits some. [01:38:09] Speaker D: Of the houses we do at a wedding. Like we really. [01:38:13] Speaker B: Bride and groom next to each other. [01:38:15] Speaker D: Less than 10% of the time. I think maybe 5% of the time we would have shot portrait. The rest was all like landscape. [01:38:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:23] Speaker C: So I think the risk that professional photographers may run into is that they're delivering raw files to clients or. No, they're not. Sorry. They're delivering finished files to clients. But will clients start asking for raw files so they can crop them themselves to suit socials? You know what I mean? [01:38:39] Speaker B: I mean, do you need. Do you need to though? Because you don't. They don't need raw files. They could just crop whatever I. Okay, well, it's in. I've just. I just crop very minimally now because I know they'll get cropped for various uses. So I. So I'll shoot for my sort of intent. But I won't crop heavily after that because I know. Well, they could make it a banner. They can make it a story or whatever. All out of this one image. I'm not going to crop it down. Way smaller for one use case. [01:39:15] Speaker D: No, you leave a bit more around it. Just like a bit of fat on it. [01:39:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. [01:39:20] Speaker D: Yeah. No. And yeah, I do a lot of that with that commercial work. Just leave a bit around it. [01:39:25] Speaker B: This is what I was interested in. Yeah. Bruce says it's really common for high end ads now to be shot open gate for vertical and horizontal crops, but both suffer in composition. Yeah, because you're obviously you're trying to, you're trying to get both in one shot instead of optimizing for either. [01:39:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:39:43] Speaker B: So what's Levin say? At least threads now allows you to rotate the phone, tap the screen. You see the entire landscape image. Much better than Insta. It's a shame there is no good like there's no social platform that's gone other than YouTube. That's gone. We still are happy to prioritize horizontal content. That's why I love YouTube so much. You guys are seeing us now as three verticals, but we're actually horizontal. [01:40:16] Speaker C: Together we make a complete picture and. [01:40:19] Speaker B: It gives us the option to do. You know, we can do this. [01:40:21] Speaker D: Yeah, we can do this. [01:40:22] Speaker B: We can do whatever we want and mix it up. [01:40:25] Speaker D: Except my camera can't do vertical. Apparently my vertical limit is cropped. When you use this mode. [01:40:34] Speaker B: You need to sort this out. Stupid Nikon. So anyway that's, that's what I was my prediction and I want you guys to stick with it because this show will still be going when we are in the goggles. [01:40:48] Speaker D: Too. [01:40:51] Speaker B: Yeah, no, we're not going to film in the goggles. No, I think we're going to be, I think we're going to be watching viewing content. Much bigger scale, much wide. We've gone small. We're tiny. Things are little now and I think these things are going to go by the same way. The pocket watch. Remember pocket watches, they used to be a big thing. Everyone had one. [01:41:19] Speaker C: Sound like a boomer. [01:41:20] Speaker B: Now no more pocket watches. These will be the old. Oh, check the pocket watch. Put it away. That won't be a thing anymore. We'll have glasses, we'll have watches and then one day we'll have those crazy implants. We won't even need glasses or watches. That'll be weird. I don't know about that. And I think because of that, because of the way the goggles work, I think we're gonna really get to enjoy viewing big high res images. You know, pinching and zooming won't be this, it'll be this. [01:42:02] Speaker C: Not buying it. [01:42:05] Speaker D: I don't know. [01:42:06] Speaker C: I don't know. Well. [01:42:10] Speaker D: You would never have said the pocket watch would have gone away and then you would never almost say the rich watch, the wristwatch would have gone away but the wrist was, was replaced again by the new pocket watch which is the phone like and I, I. [01:42:22] Speaker B: Think the key is them getting to that point where you don't feel isolated in the goggles because at the moment you put the goggles on you feel very isolated, you feel vulnerable, you don't feel connected with society, you feel like you're in your own, which is, which is cool for some use cases but ultimately you kind of feel shut off. Whereas when people are completely isolated in their phone like this. No, but, but apparently this is because this is the new social experience and, but you still, because you can still be like, then it's fine, you know, because you're still connected with everybody. But when you're like this, it's weird. [01:43:01] Speaker C: I, I, I still think two things. One is that you should stop drinking before the show but two is that I, I, I don't, I meant alcohol. I don't see the jump happening from phones to goggles. I don't see that transition really taking off. [01:43:19] Speaker B: You reckon I'm too whatever or you reckon I'm too early? [01:43:24] Speaker C: I don't think it'll ever take off. I think goggles will come and go. I don't think they're the future. [01:43:30] Speaker B: They'll be, they'll be more like glasses but they'll be pretty big glasses is what I'm through them. [01:43:36] Speaker C: They've been working on prototypes for, you know, that sort of, you know, Internet glasses with cameras and connectivity and all that sort of stuff over 10 years. [01:43:46] Speaker B: And it just isn't, the, the biggest companies on the planet have been working on it for 10 years. [01:43:53] Speaker C: It's coming and it's still nowhere. [01:43:55] Speaker B: It's coming, you know. Should we make a bet? [01:43:59] Speaker D: No. [01:44:01] Speaker B: Seven years you'll be wearing those glasses. I bet you there'll be a Nintendo Switch set of glasses and you'll be. [01:44:10] Speaker C: Like, I bet I would buy that. I would buy. [01:44:12] Speaker B: I got them, I got them and I really like them. [01:44:15] Speaker D: Did you buy a Switch? [01:44:17] Speaker C: The Switch 2. It's on its, it comes out in an, oh, almost a month. Less than a month. [01:44:23] Speaker D: Did you say you bought it Justin, or bought. [01:44:26] Speaker B: No, no, no, Greg, Greg's got a switch to coming one or you're going to have one coming? [01:44:33] Speaker C: Yep, 5th of June. [01:44:35] Speaker B: I'll buy, I'll wait for the goggles. I was going to get a switch too because I've never had one but I reckon the switch gog will be better anyway. [01:44:47] Speaker D: Okay. [01:44:49] Speaker B: So Levin said, when I said your sunglasses will be your phone, I meant like a heads up display where you see both the real world and the video call at the same time. That is definitely where it's heading. I agree. [01:45:00] Speaker C: That's what I think. These sorts of glasses, but not goggles, not the whole VR experience, more just an info display. [01:45:08] Speaker B: There'll be both. I reckon there'll be both. But people won't be walking around on the street with the big goggles. They'll be walking around on the street with glasses. But I think big goggles will find not as big as they are now. They'll probably get smaller and smaller. But so similar to like we've got these headphones and some people wear these and other people wear earbuds. There will be a range of different capabilities because you can only make something things so small. So some people will prefer the capabilities. Maybe it'll be fashionable to wear the big gogs, you know, and then other people just want nice light, normal little gogs. Anyway, I'm putting my flag in the. In the ground and that's what I'm saying. Seven years. Anyway, the point of this was let's not focus too hard on vertical. Let's not let it dictate what we're creating so much. Because every. Currently every social media app is optimized for vertical and it's killing me. [01:46:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm glad that YouTube is sticking to the. To the horizontal. Indeed. [01:46:24] Speaker B: Same with Netflix. They don't really have a choice. [01:46:28] Speaker C: Imagine if they started making laptops with vertical screens. So instead of like claiming it that way, you kind of claim it that way. [01:46:36] Speaker B: Claim it the other way. Yeah. Is next week about square? Well, look, square would be a compromise. I could talk square. I would rather square than vertical. Yeah, it could be fun. [01:46:51] Speaker C: It's fun. [01:46:55] Speaker B: Greg says the glasses will also replace your camera slash video which yeah, I think maybe for a lot of the average people. Yeah, I reckon just like the phone replaced your. Your digital point and shoot or entry level DSLR for a lot of people. Yeah, people might. [01:47:15] Speaker C: It will be interesting. [01:47:17] Speaker B: Get clips of what they see from their eye point of view. Just press record and just. They get what they get. [01:47:24] Speaker D: Do you think at some point that glasses will be like, you know, dash cams and cars? [01:47:32] Speaker C: That's what I was gonna say. [01:47:33] Speaker D: Will. Will glasses become like a permanent recording so when you put them on and you go out of your house, you're like recording from the moment, the moment you leave to the moment you get home? [01:47:43] Speaker B: There's. There's been speculation about that and that it could then give you kind of a digestible edit of your day and that sort of thing, which is definitely with the way AI editing is coming. That sort of stuff could definitely become a thing. [01:48:03] Speaker C: But it also then raises questions about. At the moment we see this phenomenon. When something happens, everyone whips out their phones. It holds them up very obviously to record whatever the drama might be or, you know, if there's a fight or if there's a car crash or, you know, and. And people will challenge privacy. You know, you don't have a right to photograph me or, you know, and we get that as street photographers. But when everyone is wearing glasses and everyone knows everyone's wearing glasses, how does that change societal behavior? Because everyone feels like they're being literally being watched all the time. You know, it opens a whole different can of worms. [01:48:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't like that. [01:48:47] Speaker C: So you didn't think that through, did you? [01:48:50] Speaker B: Oh, no. [01:48:51] Speaker A: Goggles are coming. [01:48:51] Speaker C: We love them. But no, you didn't think about the fact that everything you do is going to be filmed. [01:48:57] Speaker B: I don't mind if everything I do is filmed. I'm great. But the. The idea that the whole. I'm a good person. But. Yeah, it is, it is. It would certainly change the dynamic of things if everyone. But. But everyone's kind of recording all the time now. Or they could be, but it's more obvious sort of thing. Or you feel like you would know, even. No, half the time we probably don't know. You know what. Yeah, whereas this time. [01:49:27] Speaker C: But it would just change the dynamic in some way because instead of holding up a device obviously, like this, everyone just stands and stares blankly and starts narrating what's going on. Like, almost forms a disconnect between reality. [01:49:45] Speaker B: Rick and Bruce, movie producer Rick and Bruce are onto it. That it's. It's like sort of like cctv. But if it's. Yeah, if it's like, if. If someone's got access to all of that. [01:49:59] Speaker D: Yeah, that's. [01:50:01] Speaker B: That's. That's concerning. [01:50:03] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:50:04] Speaker C: There's a Black Mirror episode about it, you see. Yeah. [01:50:08] Speaker B: I'll have to check it out. Will it freak the old you had to get to bed? [01:50:12] Speaker C: No, no, you'd be fine. It's not one of the scary ones. It's just weird. Well, all right. I think on that note, we're gonna have to call Vertical Limit. [01:50:25] Speaker D: Which isn't checked. [01:50:28] Speaker C: I don't know. Does he check anything? [01:50:30] Speaker D: No. Like, are we. Is it. Are we. Are we checked? Is it crossed? Not bringing it back? [01:50:34] Speaker B: No, I. I couldn't be bothered making the. A final banner where they're all crossed off. So this is. That's Just how it goes. [01:50:40] Speaker D: Oh, I mean like as in we don't have to bring it back up next week. [01:50:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. We don't know. Seven years. We're not talking about it for seven years. No. Okay. So my, my final point on it is I'm actually. I'm going to a festival, a photography festival in Sydney, I think. It's actually not really a photography festival, it's a creator festival. And this is the second of the type that I've seen like it. This one's called Frame Fest, but it's actually spelled from first. They got rid of some of the. [01:51:13] Speaker C: Wandered. [01:51:14] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. And it's happening in Sydney, I think in July sometime or whatever. And I'm going to try and get up there. I was talking to the Canon people about it and they're going to try and get me a ticket and I'm going to wander around. But it's very heavily about creators and influencers and vertical content and stuff like that. And I'm just. I'm interested to see where it's heading and I might even do a run around with my little Mike Vlog video and ask a heap of these young creators where they think the content's heading because. Because they're definitely very much in the. In the current. It is, it is all about vertical and it currently is all about vertical. Like if you want to succeed right now, you've got to be optimized for that. [01:52:05] Speaker C: Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Because vertical captures the whole frame, the. [01:52:08] Speaker B: Whole screen, but it doesn't capture the whole world. [01:52:13] Speaker C: It doesn't. But you're trying to get. You're trying to get someone's attention very quickly. [01:52:16] Speaker B: That's right, yeah. [01:52:17] Speaker C: Then vertical is the way to do it because you've got more real estate. But it'd be my question for you then, Justin, is will you be filming horizontal? [01:52:26] Speaker B: No, 100% horizontal. I'll crop it later if I have to make a reel or something. I can't film in vertical. You crazy? It's so weird. Yes. [01:52:39] Speaker C: Let's jump to some last comments and then we'll call it a day. [01:52:41] Speaker D: That's correct. [01:52:43] Speaker B: Yeah. But I didn't. I don't forget, Bruce, vertical does fit a human body and that is probably the only. That's why it's portraits. That's the only time that. It's like people used to choose that. That's, you know. But yeah, mostly not ideal. See you. Great Carrick. Catch up, Greg. [01:52:59] Speaker C: Have a good show tonight, Greg. Scotty's Radio show. [01:53:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, cool. [01:53:07] Speaker D: Is that us done? [01:53:09] Speaker C: I think it is us done. [01:53:10] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:53:11] Speaker C: On that note, we're going to wrap it up. Everybody, if you're watching or listening along. This has been the Camera Life podcast, the random photography show proudly brought to you by Lucky Straps, maker of fine leather camera straps from Bendigo, Victoria, Handmade from our hands to yours. We're going to call it a night. It is late. These shows usually go for an hour, but not tonight. [01:53:31] Speaker D: I've got one more thing, Greg, if you are. If you want to get a discount on a handmade lucky camera strap, use code Jim and do not use code Justin or code Greg. They do not work. [01:53:43] Speaker B: Probably scan the QR code next to Jim's head. That's the one that you want, the one near Jim's head. Yeah. Look, he's holding it up. He's. He's where? He's waving. Scan that. That'll get you a nice discount. [01:53:55] Speaker C: But look, guys, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening and make sure you like and subscribe. Tickle the bell. [01:54:01] Speaker B: Thanks, Bruce. Thanks, Rick. Thanks, Philip. Oh, I lost Philip. There he is. Thanks, Levin. Thanks for coming on. Hope those workshops fill up quickly. If not, I might jump on that Lake Tyrell one because that actually looks very cool. And thanks everyone else that was in the chat, who of Paul and everybody. You're all legends. [01:54:22] Speaker C: And we'll see you on Thursday morning, 9am Australian Eastern Standard Time. [01:54:26] Speaker B: Who we got on Thursday? Is it Lucinda? [01:54:30] Speaker D: We should probably. Should. [01:54:31] Speaker C: I'm supposed to know. [01:54:33] Speaker D: You're the guy. Oh, yeah, the booking guy. The other podcast. [01:54:40] Speaker B: No, it's not Lucinda. It's Andrew Ravenko, Backyard space travel. [01:54:45] Speaker C: Yeah, He's a fine art photographer. Did an amazing body of work during lockdowns. And we're going to cover that on Thursday morning, so make sure you tune in for that one. [01:54:55] Speaker B: Cool. [01:54:56] Speaker C: On the Camera Life podcast. [01:54:58] Speaker B: Thanks, Ian. Thanks, Brett. [01:55:00] Speaker C: Yeah. See you, Brett. All right, let's play us out. See everybody. [01:55:05] Speaker A: Have a.