Canon's Crazy Concept and more news from CP+ | The Random Photography Show (EP161)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: It. Oh, it's so cool. [00:00:31] Speaker B: It's still so good. It's growing on me a lot. Welcome, everybody. This is the Camera Life podcast. It is the random photography show because it is a Monday evening. It is. What is it, about 7.30pm here? 2nd of March. Who can believe it's already March? And joining me, of course, is the founder of Lucky Straps, sponsor of today's show and Lucky Straps mouthpiece, Justin Castles. How are you? [00:00:55] Speaker A: Mouthpiece? Yeah, sure, I'm good. I'm really good. I've had a great day. I had a good weekend and I'm. I'm ready to roll. Yeah, I'm ready to roll. Who? [00:01:06] Speaker B: People in the chat. [00:01:08] Speaker A: Oh, there's. It's. They're already rolling. They're not ready to roll. They're rolling. They were rolling before we got here. It's crazy. Look at this. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Look at this. [00:01:15] Speaker A: 6:00pm Dennis Smith, School of Light. Been hanging out for this. Wow. Thanks, Dennis. [00:01:20] Speaker B: You are the first love you did. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Who else? Who else is in here? Lucinda Goodwin, this is your reminder to tell us about Greg's Bunnings Pelican case. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We will. We'll get to that in just a minute. Philip Johnson, good evening. Kyle Atwood, photo, public holiday here in wa. I can finally catch one of these live. Yes. Are you. Have you been on live before, Kyle? This is the first time. I don't know. Your name is not super familiar. We will see you. Tell us. Rodney Nicholson is here. Tweak Productions. Evening party people. Hang on my speakers on. I don't know. Evening party people will be watching. Walking on the treadmill. We'll only stop walking when you guys stop talking. Need to get photography fit. Hey, that's good. All right, so if we keep. If we keep talking till midnight, will you just keep walking? Challenge accepted. Challenge accepted. Who else? Felicity Johnson, Flick. Greetings from Gornong. That. Oh, that was the reminder to say yes. The phone is connected so you can actually call the show tonight. Hopefully it seems to be working. You can call us on plus 614-855-12370. Anytime you want. Rick Nelson photo. [00:02:35] Speaker B: Hello. [00:02:36] Speaker A: All heading home from work and getting KFC for the show. Wow, that's a treat. That's what. What a stark contrast to Tweak Productions. Walking on a treadmill. Nelson's getting kfc. I love it. Yes. The Pelican case story. Digi Frog, good to see you. Lisa Leach. Hello. Curled up on the couch with a cuppa for Monday night fix of the camera. [00:02:56] Speaker B: Nice. [00:02:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Craig Murphy. Good evening. Bruce Moyle. Good evening. David Leporati. Good evening. Got some good photos from David Liberati for tonight's show. Got lots of like tons of photos tonight. The, the. Your images section is going to be massive. Oh, speaking of which, hang on, I haven't really got our media set up properly, have I? Look at this. There we go. Fix this. Update that. There we go. That's better, isn't it? What else? Who else is here? Rodney Nicholson. Impressive opening. Paul says. Hey, everyone. Is the definition of unfounded optimism. Getting the camera gear ready for tomorrow night's lunar eclipse while it's belting down with rain for the next 24 hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did see that. It's going to be. Yeah, full lunar eclipse. Red looking awesome. [00:03:48] Speaker C: Is that. [00:03:49] Speaker B: What do they call that? [00:03:50] Speaker A: Is that a blood moon or is that different? [00:03:52] Speaker B: I'm not sure. I know, I think yesterday put a post up saying it's not likely to be visible from Victoria but. Or something and so he posted last year's photo. [00:04:03] Speaker A: But you know, you shouldn't have said anything. [00:04:06] Speaker B: No one would have known. [00:04:07] Speaker A: Yeah, you should just said, oh, great moon. No, someone's always onto it. Someone's someone always like it wasn't. What else? Who else is here? Phil Thompson. [00:04:21] Speaker B: Who else we got. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Good evening from Mount Dunedin, the Cannon Blood. Next they'll have a Penta Braun, Pentax and Veronica. Yeah, well we'll. We'll talk about that. We'll get to that segment. We'll get to all the news from CP plus over the weekend. Greg's got it all queued up somewhere here. I think [00:04:40] Speaker B: we'll be there but we're not. Anyway, let's move forward. [00:04:43] Speaker A: I know I was, I was actually reading and listening to a bit DP review. Were there and they were talking about how they're, you know, there's three of them over there for the thing. Thing and stuff like that. [00:04:51] Speaker B: And I was like, they've been doing like secondhand camera. I saw Hunts in the City, Yoda, Bashi and all those secondhand camera stores. [00:05:03] Speaker A: Oh, I saw. I know, Greg, I know. [00:05:06] Speaker B: Maybe next friend Adam is over there at the moment. [00:05:08] Speaker C: He. [00:05:08] Speaker B: I hate him right now because he sent me a photo. When did he go? What day is it today? Monday. I should know that. Mid last week he sent me a photo. It was a photo of the Qantas boarding like the television screen flight to Hernita. And then the second photo he sent me, I knew he was going but I lost track of when. Second photo he sent me was of him in either business or first class. I'm not really sure. Either way, I hate him. [00:05:33] Speaker A: What? Gosh. [00:05:35] Speaker B: And then that's photos of him with. With. With sumo wrestlers. And then another day of him eating convenience store chicken. And I'm just. There's so much hatred right now for that man. [00:05:47] Speaker A: You can't just feel. Can't feel good for him. No. [00:05:49] Speaker B: No, I can't feel happy for him. He's a bastard anyway. [00:05:51] Speaker A: Fair enough. [00:05:52] Speaker B: Who else is here? [00:05:53] Speaker A: Elaine is here. Stupid. YouTube sends me a notification that you're live after the intro is finished. That's sad. Yeah, I. I do wonder about that. But the. The intro is good for people that haven't seen the show before and they watch it later on. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Is that all about you, Yelena? [00:06:08] Speaker A: It also gets me pumped up. I was dancing. I like it. I really like that music. [00:06:12] Speaker B: Sorry, did you say dancing? Well, I thought you were having some seizure, but that's okay. [00:06:17] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, [00:06:20] Speaker B: whatever floats your boat. [00:06:22] Speaker A: Gareth Davies is here. Greg Carrick is here. Tony is here. Get off my digital lawn. He says, hi, Greg. But he also has his signature castles. [00:06:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:33] Speaker A: And yes, it does appear the chat is working this time. We had a little bit of issue. YouTube, all of YouTube live. Basically dropped the chat on Thursday. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Which was not well for our interview with Jeff Freestone. But we still had a great show. Jeff just didn't get to have the full chat experience, so we'll have to get him back. [00:06:51] Speaker B: We'll get him back. [00:06:52] Speaker A: I think only. Only four. Four chats came through. [00:06:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:56] Speaker A: Which would normally be about 400. So what else? Kyle Atwood says? First time live for me. Started listening on the podcast on Spotify a few months back. Well, that is awesome. Great to have you here. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Cool. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Jump in at any point with anything because, you know, that's what the show's all about. Who else? John Pickett's here. Just made in time. Nev Clark. I do gym on Monday, but today it's a public holiday for Labor Day in Western Australia, which I never really understand why Labor Day means. But anyway, it's a day off. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:28] Speaker A: So we've got. Is our Labor Day next Monday, I think. [00:07:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Oh. Wonder why they're not the same day. Like one week apart. Doesn't really seem worth it. Does it move one or the other? [00:07:45] Speaker B: What it means? What is someone in the chat? One of you older people, Greg Carrick, Tell us what Labor Day means. [00:07:52] Speaker A: It's a bit rough. I've told. Tonight my. Tonight. My daughter Tara Is here and watching the show. Okay, awesome. Does that mean we can't swear or something? Is that we'll be. We'll be careful. Anything else? Who else we going? I vote Greg makes a PowerPoint presentation to convince Justin of going next year. I don't need much convincing. We just need money. [00:08:18] Speaker B: Just did the money. [00:08:20] Speaker A: We'll work on that this year. We'll scrimp and save and we'll. We'll get there. Yeah. [00:08:26] Speaker B: I think if we okay like meth or cocaine to our stall at bfob, I think will do really well. [00:08:34] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:08:35] Speaker A: I think the bright. Something to say about that. Okay, finally Brett Wooderson is here and I think that's everybody. And there's more other comments but we'll get to them. We'll get to them at some stage. Now Victoria's Labor Day is next weekend. It's to celebrate the eight hour working day. [00:08:56] Speaker B: Huh. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:58] Speaker B: By having a day off. [00:08:59] Speaker A: By having a day off. Celebrate work. Makes sense. [00:09:03] Speaker B: I love it. [00:09:04] Speaker A: So you. You've been looking at pelican cases. [00:09:09] Speaker B: Well, you know what's happened, Justin, is that ever since I bought my new lens, which was that new Fujifilm lens, my gas seems to have flared up. And I've been looking at lots of stuff. Okay, Lights. I've been looking at softboxes, modifiers, all sorts of stuff. But I have also been looking at pelican cases and the reasons why I need to get a pallet. Well, I think I need a pelican case. A. I want to feel like a. You know, like I can eat at the big table, not the kids table anymore. I want to be a professional and proper photographer with a pelican case. But putting that aside, I. When we went to BEFOP last year, I realized I had like three or four different bags full of stuff. And it was just everywhere. And it was a. It was a pain in the ass to lug. And I think, you know what? I just need a. I just need a single storage solution that I could also have here at home because at the moment I don't have a lot of space to like just have my camera gear out and about because as many of you know, this desk here where we. Where I podcast from every Monday and Thursday is actually in my son's room. It's in the corner of his room. So I clearly can't eat at the big table just yet. But you know, and just having stuff lying around, I just want to keep it all together and safe. And pelican case seems like the most sensible way to do that. [00:10:32] Speaker A: It definitely is. It definitely is. It's probably. It's one of. So I didn't have a pelican case up until three years ago, four years ago or something. Had never. I'd looked into them, but they always seemed, one, too expensive and two, sort of too heavy for what I did. If you're traveling and stuff like that. The extra weight was a bit of a pain, but obviously they are very solid and I decided to make the jump. And it's now. It's become probably the longest serving sort of case that I've had. It's all the other cases I was constantly going bigger and smaller and stuff like that, but this one, it just seems to have. I seem to have threaded the needle of the right size and the durability and lockability of it is a big plus. You know, you can put a padlock through the. The whole things when you close the lid and stuff like that. It is a big plus. Mine, Rodney says one with wheels. Mine does have wheels. And I think. [00:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I was looking at some. What's the other brand? Is it Nanook? [00:11:32] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, I had a look at those. [00:11:34] Speaker B: The. Yeah, Nanook. I think Bunnings sell them too. Have. Have a decent sized one with wheels, but. And again, I mean, there's lots of options. Yes, there's different brands and I was hoping to get something. Oh, hold the phone. [00:11:50] Speaker A: Better hit on the cell already. I wonder who this is. Let's see if it actually works. Hold on, caller, can you hear us? Of course not. Why would the Rodecaster ever work correctly? Just hold the phone one second, caller. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We're getting there. Connect. Can you hear us, caller? [00:12:20] Speaker D: Hello? [00:12:21] Speaker A: Well, I. Hang on, hang on. Try now. [00:12:25] Speaker D: Hello? [00:12:25] Speaker A: Oh, we've got you. What's happening? [00:12:28] Speaker D: Can you just say hello? [00:12:30] Speaker B: Hey, Bruce. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Hi. [00:12:31] Speaker D: Can you hear me? [00:12:32] Speaker A: Yes, hello. [00:12:34] Speaker D: Hello, gentlemen. [00:12:35] Speaker B: What's happening? [00:12:35] Speaker D: Pelican cases. Yes, I know about pelican cases. [00:12:39] Speaker A: I do have many. [00:12:42] Speaker B: How many you reckon you've got? [00:12:45] Speaker D: Well, I've got three of the big ones right in front of me. I'm looking straight at them. And I just used two going to Sydney and back. [00:12:52] Speaker B: So how was Sydney? [00:12:54] Speaker D: I've used them for quite a while. It was amazing and emotional and very traumatic and. Yeah, it's. That's a big question. [00:13:05] Speaker B: All right, we'll unpack that. Maybe we'll get you on for a chat. [00:13:09] Speaker A: Longer conversation. [00:13:11] Speaker D: Yeah, but anyway, yes, pelican cases. There's a couple of different styles. You can get. They're the traditional ones you can buy which are heavy and if you pay a little bit more, you can get ones which are Pelican Air where there are radio roughly bit. Not half the weight, but not a crazy amount of weight. Yeah. So, yeah. Always worth doing that. [00:13:39] Speaker B: They don't. [00:13:39] Speaker D: I've always used airs. I've never had any issue with my stuff traveling around the world. But that. So that's the first thing. Spend a little bit more money on it or something a little bit lighter. And the other thing with it is that there's got. They usually have three options. There's an empty case which has obviously got nothing in it. There's a three or four options. There's a pick and pack foam, which I don't recommend unless you're going to put something in there. It's only going to stay that one thing and you get it all cut out nicely and neatly and stuff. That's a pain in the ass. Just don't do it. [00:14:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, I've done that before. Cheap ones. [00:14:17] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. And the cheap ones, it's just like the cheap ones. So don't. Don't even bother. The other one they do is called a tech pack or something. [00:14:32] Speaker A: Have you ever had one of those, Bruce? I'm really interested to know what. [00:14:35] Speaker D: I have one. [00:14:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:14:36] Speaker D: I have. I have one. I have one of the track packs and I have two with the unpadded. [00:14:41] Speaker B: The padded. [00:14:43] Speaker D: The padded inserts, which is more like your traditional camera bag where you can like rearrange and stuff. [00:14:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:48] Speaker A: What do you think? [00:14:49] Speaker D: My recommend. My recommendation is for your camera stuff. Do the padded one. They're a bit more expensive from memory than the Trek pack. Or it could be the other way around. I'm not sure. The padded one, you can it. You lose a bit of volume because of the padded inserts and stuff. But you. You can rearrange it as you want and it's nice and easy. And the. The other one is more for. If you. The reason why I have the other one is I put my lighting equipment in there because it's more rigid and it's. And it doesn't change very often. So that one's more of a. Configure it once in a very blue moon and leave it. Whereas the padded foam one you might configure once for a very blue moon. But you might also go, you know what, I want to change it up today. I'm going to put a different thing on this trip or whatever. It gives you a Bit more flexibility and a bit more assurance that it's padded. The Trek pack isn't padded. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yep. [00:15:52] Speaker D: So. [00:15:53] Speaker A: Okay. It's not. [00:15:54] Speaker B: No. That's good. [00:15:54] Speaker A: That's what I. Yeah, I couldn't tell because I was very, like. I was pretty tempted on it and I ended up going with this. The regular. Mine's got like, yellow padded foam, you know, in certain. Yeah. And the other thing I liked about the yellow was it is easier to see your black kit in inside. You know, you don't lose little bits and pieces in a dark venue or something like that in the yellow. But, yeah, I was tempted by that Trek pack because it looks pretty neat. [00:16:23] Speaker D: It is neat. It's like core flu. Like you're basically doing. Doing like a reinforced core flu is the dividing. It's really clever how they do it because they give. They give you a cutter in it. So it's nice and neat and you can do rearrangement and you can buy extra, extra lengths later. I'm not sure how much that costs to actually rearrange it if you want to change it and you've already cut it too much. But I, I think it's more for rigid body stuff like lights and. And, you know, power cables and stingers and stuff like that. I. I would less. I wouldn't put my camera. Put it that way. [00:17:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Especially not if you're traveling with it. You don't want to bounce it around and. Because I've got a friend who. [00:17:07] Speaker D: Well, you're gonna go. [00:17:09] Speaker B: He. He got a Bunnings case and then he went and bought that. Bought his own core flute and some sort of little clips he found on Amazon and he. And a hot glue gun and he just made his own inserts. [00:17:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:21] Speaker B: That he put inside the box. [00:17:22] Speaker D: You could do that. [00:17:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:24] Speaker A: Interesting doing that. Yeah. [00:17:29] Speaker D: Yeah. It seems like a lot of work, but obviously there's always ways of doing it without paying for the. The. The original regional person's idea. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Yeah, that's very true. Yep. All right, well, that's good advice. I. I think for me. [00:17:44] Speaker A: Thanks. [00:17:45] Speaker B: I. I don't travel a lot, obviously, Brucey, but not like you or. Or Dan or even Justin has his. You know, he throws his in the back of the van quite often when he's doing jobs. [00:17:56] Speaker A: And. [00:17:57] Speaker B: And that's when I sort of got the idea from BEFOP last year, because I think you and Jim both brought in. [00:18:02] Speaker A: Jim hasn't. He has. He's not running a pelican case yet. He is. He has thought about it. I think he's just, you know, you get FOMO when you see other people's stuff, and I think he's thought about it, but I don't know if he's made a call yet, whether he's leaning that way or not. Speaking of Jim, he might come on the show tonight. So if anyone wants to make a guess at what minute into the show, Jim might arrive. If you guess the right minute, we're at 18 minutes in now. If you guess the right minute, give you a price. Throw. You throw your guests in the chat when you think Jim might pop in. [00:18:34] Speaker D: Yeah, I'll say 30. 32 minutes. [00:18:37] Speaker A: 32 minutes. He literally just entered the back of the studio now. Well, never mind guessing, guys. [00:18:46] Speaker B: No prize for anyone. [00:18:48] Speaker A: He has arrived. [00:18:48] Speaker D: No, no, Jim, you're not. You're not allowed to be. You're not allowed to put Jim on air until 32 minutes. [00:18:54] Speaker A: He just slid. [00:18:55] Speaker C: Are you sure? I can leave. [00:18:58] Speaker D: I can't see you guys. I'm only on the phone. [00:19:02] Speaker A: Well, that was perfect timing. Damn. [00:19:05] Speaker B: We'll just have to catch you up. Oh, Tony's just throwing some shade in the chat. [00:19:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, he is. [00:19:12] Speaker B: So we were just. Justin was just saying Jim should be joining us because we're talking about pelican cases and whether you had one or not. And Justin said Jim should be. Should be joining us. For those of you watching or listening, throw in the chat. How many minutes you. How many minutes you think it'll take for Jim to show up? And I'll give you a prize. And then you dropped into the studio as soon as you Finish speaking, like [00:19:30] Speaker A: 10 seconds after I said I gotta [00:19:33] Speaker C: fix my focus on the way back. [00:19:35] Speaker A: Oh, Nikon's doing that thing I've been [00:19:37] Speaker C: working today, so it's probably somewhere else. I'll be back. [00:19:40] Speaker B: Okay. Is Bracey still with us or is he gone? No, he's still here. [00:19:45] Speaker D: I'm still with you, but is that all the questions? Is that all you need from me? [00:19:50] Speaker B: Guys, you may go. You may go. [00:19:53] Speaker D: Oh. Class dismissed. [00:19:56] Speaker A: Thanks. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Good to hear you, mate. [00:19:59] Speaker D: All right, see yas. [00:20:00] Speaker A: See ya. [00:20:00] Speaker B: See you, buddy. Bye. [00:20:03] Speaker C: Sorry I was late, but early. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that was perfect. It was about as good a timing as it can be. Gareth was going to say 400 minutes, but no, you just popped in straight away. Just quickly, before we get into it. That was. So that was Bruce Moyle. You, too can call the show. Anybody. Anyone listening while we're live can call the show on 614-855-12370. If you're in another country. You just got to figure out what the dial out code is. The plus six one is the Australian thingy. Yeah. Call us, jump in at any time. [00:20:36] Speaker B: Let us know about your pelican experiences. Pelican case, hard storage case. How do you store your camera gear? [00:20:43] Speaker A: So before we, before we catch up with Jimbo, should we just bring. Okay, so anyway, long story short, Greg wants a pelican case and obviously when you want you message your bra. Freeze. Fuji. [00:20:56] Speaker C: So what, like the world's smallest pelican case? [00:21:00] Speaker B: Yeah, no, actually just before we, just before we go to your bit, Jay, I just want to say I was looking, I was looking at a whole range of them. I was looking at different brands, Bunnings ones, the whole works. And I found. And then today pelican case sent me pelican cases. Australia sent me an Instagram post saying, customize your own pelican case. And then I thought I could get like just a small. This completely doesn't serve any purpose other than vanity. I, I could get like a small pelican case, like an A4 kind of size, maybe a tiny bit bigger and just have them pre cut because you can get them pre cut, laser cut. My new lens and my XC5 and a space for my curled up lucky strap. And that's it. [00:21:43] Speaker A: And that's it. Just. [00:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And you can even get them to put branding, like they can engrave branding into the foam, like embossing it in. [00:21:49] Speaker A: Oh really? [00:21:50] Speaker B: How cool would that be? [00:21:51] Speaker A: So this is a new, this is a new thing. They're doing that. So that would be fancy. It would be like you say not super. Yeah, not super practical, but it would make you feel like an absolute like secret agent when you open it up and just remove the lens, attach it [00:22:07] Speaker B: to the camera, like assembling a sniper rifle or something. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Speaking of which, I think, Hang on, Dennis said here, Dennis said something about that I use gun cases, hard cases for light painting gear and they are so amazing. Lots of sideways looks. Yeah, that's a good. [00:22:23] Speaker B: You just don't walk into a shopping center with it then. But I mean the biggest issue with pelican cases is they're perfect, they're great. They serve an amazing purpose. It's just the cost. [00:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think mine was 700 and they've gone up more than that now. [00:22:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm just waiting for you to sell one, Justin. Then I'll buy it. [00:22:45] Speaker A: You know what's sad about mine? One of the things, like I broke it in the first week it still works fine, but I broke one. They've got these little like protective things around the hinges and bits of plastic that kind of stick out a little bit near the hinges. Snapped one of them off. Week one. They're not as tough as you think. Anyway, so when, when Greg or any of us need something, we usually message the brain trust. And the brain trust is just me and Greg and Jim and Grant's in the chat too, in, in our little message thread from when this show first started off chat. And Greg says, if anyone knows of a secondhand pelican case, let me know. And of course he got bombarded immediately with just first this, which I don't know if I've seen before. I thought it was hilarious, but I was like, surely someone has made this before. I used AI to make this. I thought it was very funny. AI made you made this? Yeah, in chatgpt. [00:23:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:53] Speaker A: And then it escalated because Greg said it needed to fit his lenses as well. So it escalated to this and then finally we were looking for the MOD Facebook marketplace and this one was actually near Greg. It was in Frankston for 650 selling my heavy duty. Selling my heavy duty Pelican Expedition series case. Custom engineered to safely transport an entire Petechian family in rugged conditions. Perfect for wildlife. I can't even read this. It's crazy. Anyway, it's got four adult Pelican Bays, long beat compatible, 16 chick micro compartments with down friendly padding, precision cut peck resistant foam interior, integrated fish buffet tray and snack storage colony grade shock protection, IP68 rated immersion splash and peck resistant reinforced latches, weatherproof seal forklift ready recommended for a full load. [00:24:50] Speaker B: That's pretty clever. [00:24:52] Speaker A: Yep. We had fun and wasted Greg's time while he was trying to buy a pelican case. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Well, you know, we have a laugh. [00:25:02] Speaker A: We do. [00:25:03] Speaker B: So I'm still on. I'm still on the hunt. I don't like the idea of going secondhand. I don't do well with secondhand products. I live in South Yarra. We don't buy secondhand things in South Yarra. She's not done [00:25:15] Speaker A: new and then in the bin. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. [00:25:20] Speaker B: We don't even donate to charity. That's how, that's how posh we are. Anyway, so I'm still on the hunt. I am looking at either secondhand or new. I'm looking at other brands and yeah, we'll see how it goes. [00:25:33] Speaker A: I think those, those Nanook ones look pretty cool and there's a few other brands as well. That have been around the place. I think obviously it's been so long that, yeah, Pelican's not the only name in the game, but they are obviously the, you know, the number one premium. Premium. [00:25:50] Speaker B: I mean, even. Even peak designs travel case with a big camera cube in it is attractive because I like the idea of it having wheels and a handle. [00:25:59] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's what Craig's saying here. I have a peak design large camera cube and move that from my draw system in my car to a frame. Front runner. Hard case is front runner. Is that a peak design as well? Is that the same? It's like a design to work with it. Also use front runner cases when I was doing live streams. Yeah, live streams. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Thanks, Craig. And yeah, at the end of the day, it's. It's money. That's what's stopping me. It's the cost. It's. I could buy another lens, you know, for the price. And it's that whole thing of, you know, buying a good quality bag like a camera strap or a bag or a case. It's like an insurance policy for your gear. Right. It helps to keep it safe. You spend thousands of dollars on your camera gear. It earns you thousands of dollars. If you use it well or it gives you great joy, then it makes sense to look after it properly. But the cost of looking after some stuff is just crazy. [00:26:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Anyway. [00:26:56] Speaker B: But yeah, we'll definitely look into front runner. Thanks, Craig. [00:27:01] Speaker A: What have you been up to, Jimbo? [00:27:04] Speaker C: Not much. Not very exciting at the moment. Not really. [00:27:08] Speaker A: Okay. [00:27:09] Speaker C: Shooting just yet. Sorry it's not. Well, you know, lots of rehab at the moment is the only thing I'm doing. [00:27:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Legs coming along? [00:27:18] Speaker C: Yeah, we're getting there. [00:27:19] Speaker B: That's good. [00:27:20] Speaker C: Did have a shoot on Friday though, but. Yeah. [00:27:24] Speaker A: Yep. [00:27:25] Speaker C: Some photos of Justin. [00:27:28] Speaker B: What, of our Justin? [00:27:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:30] Speaker B: In this. In the makeshift studio. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I was like, no, you didn't. Yeah, he did. Yeah. [00:27:35] Speaker C: Justin was doing a workout. [00:27:37] Speaker A: It was a. It's the CrossFit open the next. Such a next three weeks and. Hey. Hey, Jim. [00:27:43] Speaker B: Hey, Jim. Get my biceps. Look at that. [00:27:45] Speaker A: I didn't. I didn't book him in. He was shooting for the gym that I go to. [00:27:51] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:27:51] Speaker A: There was lots of. Lots of other people there too. It wasn't just me and Jim. [00:27:55] Speaker C: It was mainly Justin. [00:27:57] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it didn't go well for me. I'll be. I'll be trying again tomorrow morning anyway. Had some problems. Okay. Well, do we. What, Is there anything else before we get into the photo? News. What did you get up to on the weekend, Greg? [00:28:14] Speaker B: What did I do? Well, it was my youngest son's 15th birthday, so. So Brendan turned 15. I am certifiably old. Yeah, well our second youngest is almost 18 and then Brendan will be the last kid, so to speak. Just need a few of them to move out and I'll be fine. Really. [00:28:37] Speaker C: Just move house. [00:28:39] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I had thought of that. [00:28:41] Speaker A: You move out? [00:28:42] Speaker C: No, no, just like sell the house and buy a smaller house and be like we've only got this many rooms. [00:28:48] Speaker B: Yeah, session. I thought we might just. Just book a one way ticket to Tokyo and just disappear and just leave it all behind, you know, Go, go full rogue. [00:28:57] Speaker A: They'll find you now. [00:28:58] Speaker B: They will. [00:28:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:00] Speaker B: Brendan will be texting what's for dinner? But yeah, it's just family. Big family weekend which was lovely, you know and he had friends over which was great and yeah, it was good. It was really good. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Thank you. What about you? What did you get up to other than sweating for the camera? [00:29:19] Speaker A: Me. So I had a shoot both Saturday and Sunday which turned out being shorter than I thought it was going to be, which is actually quite good. It was here in Bendigo. I'll show some photos of it in the your images section. But it was that rescue competition for the company that I normally do a lot of work with. They were involved in running it and yeah, I got to follow one of the teams around and take photos. It was really cool. Yeah, super fun. [00:29:46] Speaker B: Nice. Very cool. Good to hear. [00:29:49] Speaker A: Okay. [00:29:50] Speaker B: Because you could do with some practice. Hey, let's jump to the news. [00:29:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean lots of news. Lots of news. CP plus on the weekend. [00:30:02] Speaker B: CP plus is on folks, as, as we've been talking about for a couple of weeks now. CP plus is here. It's in Yokohama in Japan. Just. Just outside. About an hour out of Tokyo by. And it's. It's fast becoming the go to and the place to be to reveal new products to the world in the world of photography. And more than anything this year especially we've seen an absolute flurry of lenses being released both by popular brands. Sigma and. And well Tamron did theirs before CP plus but Sigma have announced a couple Brighton star TT Artisan. Who else? I can't read my own notes. There's been a whole bunch. Viltrox. There's been a whole bunch of lenses announced over the CP plus week weekend. And you may have heard at the start of the show, I've got a friend who's actually there at the Moment, Adam, and he's there representing a couple of brands, Laowa Lenses. He's the rep for Laowa in Australia. So he's over there at the moment and having an absolutely fantastic time sending me photos of everything Japanese. That's driving me mental because I really want to be there. But yeah, there's lots going on. And so this has become kind of, you know, it's the time of year where all these companies go, okay, well we're just going to, everyone's paying attention so we're going to announce as many lenses as we can. And one of the first pieces of news I came across today because you know, being a Fujifilm shooter, naturally I gravitate, gravitate, gravitate towards seeing what Fujifilm are doing also. And there's no news from them at this particular event. [00:31:35] Speaker C: No news is good news. [00:31:37] Speaker B: Is that right? [00:31:37] Speaker A: Well, the X quarter must have got delayed. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe next quarter, the X8. But one, one little bit of news that did drop, I saw it today in one of the rumor sites, is that Fujifilm are planning to hold a bit of a lens concept seminar where they announce 14 potential lenses and then Fujifilm users can vote on what lenses they actually want. And then Fujifilm will do the whole case scenario and move towards production if that works out for them. So that'll be interesting to see. And just the other little quick bit about Fujifilm while I'm on it and I'll just get it over and done with so you can all start listening again. Jim, is that Fujifilm Australia's currently Fujifilm Australia has a house of photography. It's a retail store and experience store in Sydney. There is a pop up store coming to Melbourne for Fujifilm House of Photography. It's coming to Melbourne. Oh crap, it's tomorrow for three weeks. It's at Chadstone Shopping center and usual trading hours, seven days a week for the next three weeks. And they'll have some experiences there around Instax. That's great. Easy. No doubt they'll have a whole, the whole catalog of lenses and cameras on board for people to, to test and try and have a look. [00:32:58] Speaker A: I wonder how they can afford to, you know, like set up a shop just for three weeks, you know, like it's a lot of work to get it all, you know, looking. I bet it'll look nice. Like they're not, they're not just gonna have it in a, you know, empty store. [00:33:13] Speaker B: Well, I hope it's a test for their, I hope they're using it as like an experiment. To see whether there's actually an opportunity to set up a house of photography in Melbourne. Yeah, so, yeah, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see what happens. Anyway, that's enough about Fujifilm. So many sizes of leaf. I never, never, never. Where do you want to start? With the CP plus news, boss. [00:33:41] Speaker A: Look, there's so many good ones. Obviously we'll save. We'll save Canon for the next segment because that's. That's pretty wild. [00:33:48] Speaker B: That is wild. [00:33:49] Speaker A: Do you want to go with like, do you want to talk lenses? I mean, I really want to talk about the Leica lights phone at some point. [00:33:57] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll get to that in a sec. And there's also that new TT Artisan are actually making a instant film camera. Did you see it? [00:34:05] Speaker A: Do you want to talk about that? [00:34:06] Speaker B: Let's talk about that. We'll bring that one up. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:09] Speaker B: So the folks at TT Artisan have announced a 203T folding instant film camera. I believe it's relying on Fujifilm Instax film. And they're already, they're already up for pre order on bh and there's a number of different color options with this one. And it's obviously replicating a very old. I don't know what the term is for that sort of camera with it, with, with the, the fold down and the bellows. That kind of opened a bit. Yeah. [00:34:37] Speaker A: What is Transformer? Optimus prime lens. Optimus prime lens. [00:34:42] Speaker B: An Optimus Prime. There it is. [00:34:44] Speaker A: Transformer. Yeah, it's like yours, Jimbo. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Like that. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Hang on. [00:34:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:47] Speaker A: How do we make you bigger style [00:34:49] Speaker B: of camera called where it folds out and the lens. There it is. Oh, that's nice, Jim. [00:34:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:55] Speaker A: Oh, yours goes. Yours is sideways. Whereas this one. Yeah, bottomy. Yeah. [00:35:00] Speaker C: This is an old. [00:35:00] Speaker A: What brand is that? [00:35:02] Speaker C: Kodak Retina. [00:35:04] Speaker B: Nice. [00:35:04] Speaker C: You might remember that brand. Kodak. [00:35:06] Speaker A: David Leporati says the official. The technical term for it is a folding camera. Sometimes it's just what, what it says on the tin. It's a camera that folds. [00:35:20] Speaker B: It is just a folding camera. But interesting to see a brand like TT Artisan. I mean, obviously, you know, they're lens manufacturers, among other things, but yeah, they're having a crack at bringing out a, A Bellows folding camera. Rodney Nicholson says, and he's actually old enough to know. So, you know. [00:35:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, Bellows. Bellows. [00:35:42] Speaker B: Yeah, Bellows. Thank you, guys. [00:35:44] Speaker A: Maybe you guys should have the podcast. [00:35:46] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll jump off, you guys can log on. [00:35:49] Speaker A: Really? We should just be in the chat. [00:35:52] Speaker B: We should do that one day. [00:35:54] Speaker A: So you swap around. [00:35:56] Speaker B: Swap around. Colors are cool and it's exciting and it's fun and it's yet another way for people to get involved in photography. If this is what. What acts as a bridging camera for someone to get into photography off their mobile phone, then great. [00:36:10] Speaker C: So it's a digital camera. Is she looking at a screen on the back or is. [00:36:14] Speaker B: No, I think it's just. That's an optical viewfinder. [00:36:18] Speaker C: Sorry, she was just like this. So I was a bit. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Oh, you were making fun. Yeah. Okay. Oh, product photography, lifestyle photography. It's always a bit odd. [00:36:29] Speaker C: They'll let. No one will pick up on that. [00:36:32] Speaker A: Except for Jim. [00:36:34] Speaker C: Sorry. [00:36:34] Speaker A: Yeah. You ruined their whole marketing plan. Yeah. You have to go back over here. [00:36:40] Speaker C: I was gonna say, why am I over there? I'm never there. [00:36:42] Speaker A: I made you big. Okay, so that's. So that's instant Instax film. So same same as Fujifilm film. They just buy that exactly the same. So it's just another option in the Instax ecosystem. [00:36:56] Speaker B: That's cool. [00:36:57] Speaker C: That's got to be good for Instax. [00:36:59] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah, sex are doing well [00:37:00] Speaker C: already, you know, to keep making film and making it more affordable and more available. [00:37:06] Speaker B: Absolutely. Because it likes for people. [00:37:09] Speaker C: Was there like, I don't know, a couple years ago that it was like they were running out? [00:37:15] Speaker B: I'm not sure, Jim. [00:37:16] Speaker A: I don't know if they've had a shortage on that or not. [00:37:19] Speaker B: I can't remember. I could ask Andrew at. At Fujifilm, but he. He won't be there right now. Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah, I think. I think they did have a few issues for a while, but then it kind of picked up again. I think the product line went a bit stale and soft and then covered and. And then it kind of boosted again. So. And they're now they're, you know, they're building more factories to make film, which is phenomenal, especially in this economy, you know. So. Yeah. So what else is going on? Sigma have announced a new 85 mil 1.2 DG art lens that's in development. There's a new Viltrox 35 mil 1.8 coming. [00:38:02] Speaker A: I think Sigma also released a 35 1.4, like version two. [00:38:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And a 14, I think. I think that was a 14 mil. [00:38:14] Speaker A: That was the 15. The 15 that we talked about last week. But yeah, the 3514 update to the Art lens, which I think is lighter than. Than the previous lens. Everyone's saying it's quite nice to hold. You know, it feels good on a camera. So Sigma are doing it. [00:38:32] Speaker B: What else? The Brighton Star. This. This is actually a great looking lens. If we can bring this one up. Justin, please. I think this is just for E and M mount at the moment. I might be wrong on that definitely for E mount, but it's a great looking lens. [00:38:50] Speaker A: Is it manual focus only, this one here? [00:38:54] Speaker B: I think it is manual. I know EZRF and L mounts. [00:38:57] Speaker C: There you go. [00:38:59] Speaker A: Yeah. So then it. Yeah, so it is. It's. It's manual focus only but it's got. What. So what's. Do you know what the try thing is? This smooth. [00:39:07] Speaker B: No, I don't understand that at all. [00:39:09] Speaker A: What, what, what the try side. [00:39:11] Speaker B: Whether it's it purposely switchable rendering modes. Yeah. Like, like a switch. Or whether it actually just is. Is. It's just a, you know, a tiny degree soft on focus. I'm not sure how it actually works. [00:39:25] Speaker A: Three distinct optical styles within a single lens offering exceptional creative flexibility. Foams, Smoker. Yes. Smooth soft focus effect. Prime. Standard rendering and foams is bubble bokeh. What's bubble bokeh? [00:39:40] Speaker C: Greg Carrick saying it has filters. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Okay. But. Oh yeah, here we go. Is this bubble bokeh? Isn't that what you don't. It has to be the rings around the outside. I mean it's an interesting effect, but I guess. Right. So that's the opposite of when you go with the really soft rendering, which is. So if you look at the lens, you've got the smooth rendering here. Primes in the middle. Foams is on the other side. I guess that's what happens when you go the other direction from. Yeah, you can go softer towards smooth. You're probably going to lose sharpness and get more smooth and soft rendering and soft fall off into the bokeh. But then if you go the other direction, as Greg Carrick says, you get onion ring bokeh, which is what most people don't want in a lens. But I guess if it's just. If it's a creative control, then yeah, yeah, you can use it when you want it. Interesting. [00:40:39] Speaker B: Having the option's not bad. [00:40:41] Speaker A: Yeah, creative. [00:40:42] Speaker B: It's always good. [00:40:43] Speaker A: Very interesting. And it does look. You're right, it looks very nice. Everyone looked at that on their camera. [00:40:50] Speaker B: I love it. I think it's really clever. Really clever. What else is happening at CP plus there's a new Zysotus 3514 lens. I did drop in the. In the news links there a Comparison for Jim for the new Nikol Z70 200. [00:41:09] Speaker C: I'm not happy about that. [00:41:10] Speaker A: Greg, didn't you buy the 7200? Like, is it still in the box? It's the version one. [00:41:16] Speaker C: Yes, it's still in the box. Hasn't even come out of the box. [00:41:19] Speaker B: Send it back. [00:41:20] Speaker A: And now. And now it's been updated. [00:41:25] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:41:25] Speaker A: Is it. Is it at least. Is the price gone up at least? So you don't feel like you paid the same for it? [00:41:32] Speaker C: Well, in. I just had. I was just reading the comparison before. It says that the. The new on B and H and I'm guessing this is us. It's 300 dearer. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Okay. [00:41:44] Speaker C: Well, the re. [00:41:45] Speaker A: The retail in Australia was 5454, I think. [00:41:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:41:51] Speaker A: So that. That's a hefty lens. On the new. That new version two, it's 30% lighter and I think it has a few other little benefits as well. I think closer focusing, potentially. Yeah. [00:42:03] Speaker C: Which it's probably not. You know, there. Someone said, what was the weight? It was. It was under a kilo, I think. [00:42:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Someone said it's got far faster autofocus performance because the old one was slow, which I find hard to believe, but. [00:42:21] Speaker C: 998 grams versus 1360. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:26] Speaker C: So that's. Yeah. [00:42:28] Speaker A: So what's the plan? You're going to sell it. You're going to be one of those people. You know when you see a marketplace, someone says, brand new in box and you think, how is that possible? [00:42:35] Speaker C: Yeah, not. [00:42:36] Speaker A: Yeah, now we know. [00:42:39] Speaker C: I'm not happy, though. [00:42:40] Speaker B: I always feel suspicious about that, don't you? It's like, oh, yeah. [00:42:42] Speaker C: I'm like, yeah. [00:42:43] Speaker A: Who would ever do that? They've just stolen it. Anyway. My white balance looks a bit off the. [00:42:52] Speaker B: I like the removable tripod collar. I think that's clever. [00:42:56] Speaker A: I think. [00:42:57] Speaker C: Just rubbing it in. Greg. [00:42:59] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:43:00] Speaker C: It looks. It looks like a waste of money. [00:43:03] Speaker B: It's a piece of shit. [00:43:03] Speaker A: It's terrible. I've heard the version one's actually better and sharper. Nicer lens. [00:43:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:09] Speaker A: The new version's just. They've just cut costs. That's why it weighs less. They've taken some really good stuff out of it. [00:43:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:16] Speaker C: It's got less glasses. How can it be? How can it be better? [00:43:19] Speaker B: Whoever said investing glass is an idiot, really? You know, clearly pelican cases is where the money needs to go. [00:43:26] Speaker A: That's right. [00:43:29] Speaker B: Okay, well, that's enough of that. [00:43:32] Speaker A: What else we got? [00:43:33] Speaker B: Let me just get through a couple of other quick little news grabs and then we'll have a look at some of the bigger items. This has to be an error. You know, what is it? You know, integrity of reporting. But canon claims the 23rd year straight of number one share of global interchangeable lens digital camera. It's got to be a mistake. Mind you, this is not any, any governing. This is not any governing body or anyone doing an official kind of survey. It's just Canon saying it. [00:44:10] Speaker A: Yep. [00:44:10] Speaker B: And I'm pretty sure every year Nikon says the same thing. [00:44:14] Speaker A: No, they'd be lying. [00:44:19] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. Like look, we live in crazy times, you know, the world's on fire once again. Like a prices like I've already indicated, there will be price increases in the US from 13 March onwards to combat all the bullshittering that's going on in there. There's a new go docs I the IT32. I think that was already an existing flash but the new modular system has been set up for Leica now which is good. Along with a X5L wireless trigger system for Leica shooters. [00:44:53] Speaker C: You're gonna get it, Justin. [00:44:56] Speaker A: I've contemplated getting a trigger for the Q3 which I currently don't have in my possession because it's got a leaf shutter and it can sync to 1 2000th which I thought would be fun. I've contemplated getting a trigger just to play with that. Just for fun. Funsies. Greg speaking. I'll just bring. I've got this sitting here, right here. Speaking of little gadgets that go on cameras, I don't know if you saw this one. Panasonic have yes, launched a new microphone like a hot shoe microphone and it's very creative in its form factor. It's quite small 32 bit float which means it can record basically at a. Essentially. Oh, my computer's struggling. It can essentially like 32 bit float. Basically means you can almost record and be able to boost up the signal later with almost no loss. Of course quality in a nutshell just means it's like having like extra color bit depth. But this is sound wave bit depth. But it's, it's so tiny and it's got different like pickup patterns. So you can change the direction that it wants to pick up from behind and in front and different sort of polar patterns. See. Oh you can see on here you can pick up in front, wide in front. I believe that'd be stereo. Stereo really wide past 180 almost a shotgun in front, shotgun behind and in. In front and behind which a lot of vloggers use. So they could be interviewing someone talking to the back of the microphone and the person in front is talking into the front of the microphone. Yeah, it's. It's very clever. I haven't seen anything like this before in this form. Factor so small. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Because they're calling a new shotgun microphone. [00:46:53] Speaker A: Yeah. But it's much smaller than your average shotgun and I'm sure it won't be as good as. As a bigger shotgun at that job. But it's pretty versatile and it's something you could have in your pocket, you know, like just to record some, some quick sound. So, yeah, good on them for doing that. I wish more camera brands would do that kind of thing. Only weighs 100 grams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For Lumix to attach to the digital hot shoe on recent Lumix cameras. Yeah. Cool. Okay. [00:47:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it's very cool. I like it. Yeah, it's neat. [00:47:30] Speaker A: It is neat. [00:47:31] Speaker B: What else? We'll come back to like a lights phone in a second. Oh, and last little bit of news. Ricoh gr4 monochrome is now the best selling compact camera at Yodobashi Camera in Japan with three GR models in the top 10 at Yodobashi camera. [00:47:50] Speaker A: You know, Peter Coulson really ruined my desire for monochrome cameras when he explained that he would never want a monochrome camera because he loves being able to use the color channels to adjust in post the balance of the black and white. And I've actually done that many times before and I'd never thought about that element to monochrome cameras. This is very interesting and I guess it becomes a trade off for the better image quality that you get as to whether that's whether it's worth it over the flexibility in post. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And maybe people shooting monochrome aren't as fussed about post production. [00:48:36] Speaker A: Maybe they're actually actively trying to avoid over post. Not over. Sorry, extensive post production. Yeah. [00:48:43] Speaker C: Simplify the shooting. [00:48:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:46] Speaker B: Black and white only, you know, in something like a GR or a like cue, you've got a fixed focal distance, you work with what you've got and there's less mucking around at the other end. [00:49:01] Speaker A: As Dennis says here. The reasons he said are not the reasons you would go there. My mate has a Q3 monochrome and it's about the overall quality. Yeah, Yeah, I agree. Yep. The Peter Coulson article also ruined that person's day. Yeah, I won't, I won't get into that. I got an email about the Peter Coulson interview, an article and I was going to do a giant rant on this show and then I came to my senses and decided not to. It did upset me. It did. Okay. Huh? [00:49:34] Speaker C: Why, why are you gonna leave it? [00:49:37] Speaker A: Maybe I'll bring it up next week. Let me think on it. Just like whether it's. Whether it's worth it or not. Don't waste everyone's time. Yeah. What else? What other news? [00:49:47] Speaker B: We got a couple of little quick little fun things. What else have we got? Social media post. Glenn Lavender is in India at the moment, as we know. We spoke to him. Was it two weeks ago on a Monday night he joined us. That was quite a ride. I'm still having therapy about that night, but yeah, he's currently running a tour in India and he's been taking some amazing environmental portraits of. Of locals throughout his travels. So if you haven't checked it out, go to Glyn's Instagram account and have a look. Another little cheeky fun post. I'll get you to bring this one up, Justin. The one that's titled Tokyo Sleepers. There was actually two articles about Tokyo Sleepers. Let me just give you a little bit of context. So in. Especially in Tokyo, but in Japan in general, there's a very strong work culture and especially. And it's a very male dominated. The professional work culture is very male dominated. And there's a very common term called salaryman or salaryman. And it's someone who works in the city, they wear a suit and they work in like an office job and they work ridiculous hours because that's kind of like the work culture is in, in Japan. And even when I was there, I remember seeing, and I even went out drinking one night with a, with a bunch of celery men who I'd met and they, they just drink in little izakaya bars until late in the night, try to catch the last train home. If they don't catch a train home, often they're found sleeping on the streets propped up against something. The clever ones will a capsule hotel. Which was kind of why capsule hotels came to be in Japan. It was for people that were living in the country, working in the city, and they would stay in a capsule, literally a capsule in. In somewhere in Tokyo until the next morning and head off back to work. But someone has been taking shots of sleeping, often drunken, sleeping celery men and, you know, just jazzing up their life a bit. I thought it was fun. It was worth sharing. [00:51:53] Speaker A: If you're, if you're listening on audio only afterwards. This is why you should every now and then pop over to YouTube and have a look because these are, these aren't really describable, they're just great. [00:52:07] Speaker C: Added some arms to that one. [00:52:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say there's got to be some matrix bullet times. [00:52:15] Speaker B: That's, that's the best for sure. [00:52:17] Speaker A: This is great. Oh dear. Okay, okay. [00:52:28] Speaker B: So that's about it for the news. Other than our big ticket items. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Yeah, let's. Let's talk about the phone. Let's talk about the phone. [00:52:37] Speaker B: Let's talk about Leica. [00:52:39] Speaker A: Yeah, let's talk about Leica. The Lights phone. Is that how you pronounce it? Lots phone. [00:52:44] Speaker B: Yeah, let's go with that. [00:52:45] Speaker C: Leica Luts. [00:52:47] Speaker A: Lights phone. So here we go. Leica has made phones before. The lights phone one and the Lights phone two. This is different. This is Lights phone, not Lights phone, but Lights phone. I don't know why they decided instead of making this the lights phone three, but they called this the lights phone with no number is a little confusing but interesting. So the first two were manufactured by Sharp and exclusive into Japan only they were pretty bulky looking things. Do you remember them, Greg? Do you ever remember seeing those pop up in the news? Yeah, they look pretty cool. But it was sort of fairly impractical and the fact that they were locked to Japan only was just sort of a thing and so. But the new one. Do you know how to pronounce the company that makes it? Is it. [00:53:40] Speaker B: I call it Xiaomi. [00:53:42] Speaker A: Xiaomi. [00:53:43] Speaker B: That's how I sell me. I don't know how you say it. [00:53:45] Speaker A: So. So Leica have teamed up with Chinese company Xiaomi bringing the lights phone global. Well, mostly I don't think the US can get them because they don't bring in I think any Chinese phones or I don't think they can get the Huawei's or anything like that. But the rest of the world can get the Lights phone, I'm pretty sure. And, and so it's, it's based on the Xiaomi 17 Ultra. So there'll be a, a more affordable version of this phone that's not Leica but has basically the same camera tech in it just without some of the Leica enhancements that Leica have teamed up with Xiaomi to like make it more of a Leica shooting experience with, with extra. But I think even the, the Xiaomi. Xiaomi. Xiaomi anyway that the 17 Ultra, the regular non Leica version still actually has some Leica looks in it. Like their version of Fujifilm film simulations is in the regular version and then there's more of them in this version. So it was co engineered with Leica. There's significant crossover between the two smartphones in terms of overall features. But the Leica fied. This is on the Pedophile article. I like that. The Likeified Lights phone takes the Xiaomi 17 Ultra's well placed photography obsession even further. So anyway, it's got this mega like camera bezel here and so that it's. No, it's. Well, yeah, the Leica version. So the Xiaomi version just is just that it's got that with the same lenses and stuff in it. The Leica version's got this knurled ring that around it that you can turn. That actually changes. You can change your exposure or what like you can preset it. Yeah, yeah. It's a physical dial and then the coolest. Yeah, look at that. Oh, nice engraving. [00:55:48] Speaker C: Have you bought one yet? [00:55:50] Speaker A: Look it. Honestly, this is going to sound stupid because it wouldn't happen if this was an Apple device. Yes. I would have ordered it. I would be like, yep, this is, this is worth it. But I'm not, I've never, I've never had an Android weird phone before and I don't think I'm ready to try that. [00:56:09] Speaker C: And everything else in your life is like Apple. [00:56:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:13] Speaker C: And it just, it connects and works. [00:56:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Okay. [00:56:16] Speaker B: Editor Seb went down the, the Android path a few years ago and I, we haven't spoken since. My son, my oldest never understood it. Raised him Apple. We were Apple family the whole way through since like the very first MacBooks and. And he went down the Android path. [00:56:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:33] Speaker B: And he uses Windows. [00:56:35] Speaker C: Yeah. That's a tough pill to swallow. [00:56:37] Speaker B: It is. [00:56:38] Speaker A: Why does he use Windows? [00:56:40] Speaker B: My lawyer says I can't take him out of the wheel for it, but [00:56:44] Speaker A: get a better lawyer. So anyway, yeah, so you can turn this dial to change different settings. You can customize that, preset it however you want. You can use it in full manual mode or you can use it in like you, you're an auto mode which is like exposure compensation or whatever. But also the cameras themselves are the same between the Xiaomi and the Lights phone, including the Leica triple camera systems, which is headlined by a 50 megapixel type 1 lofic image sensor, 200 megapixel type 1 over 1.4 telephoto camera with a Leica APO 75 to 100 lens. That's right. It's, it's actually a, it's a physical, an optical zooming. Lens 75 to 100, which isn't a big zoom range, but it is actually optical. And a 50 megapixel Leica Ultra wide camera. Now, without getting too much into the weeds, the 200 megapixel telephoto camera is not actually 200 megapixel. I don't think. I think there's some wizardry trickery going on there. You do get 200 megapixel files, but it's not like a 200 megapixel sensor. The 50 megapixel type 1 sensor is in fact a 50 megapixel sensor. The one main camera. And then the ultra wide, like normal, the ultra wide and the telephoto aren't as big of a sensor as the. The standard main sort of focal length, which I think is like a 23 mil or whatever. But yeah, see, this is how the. It's one of those like what they call them, like a periscope lens. Yeah, yeah. Nuts. [00:58:21] Speaker B: Hey, whatever happened to that camera we looked at about a month or two ago where it had the little pop up, like a, almost like a little, you know, like a little vlogging camera thing Pop up with a gimbal. Remember that phone that had the tiny little pop up gimbal? [00:58:36] Speaker A: Oh, I think that was. I think, I think. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think it was like a. It's coming, but it's not really, you know, like maybe. [00:58:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:44] Speaker A: Whereas if we get enough funding with [00:58:46] Speaker B: a, with a physical turning ring that people. That will appeal to people, you know, because you'll feel like you have more control back. It's. There's a mechanical action of it. I think it's clever. [00:58:59] Speaker A: It didn't appeal to me. I don't know if it's here. I have to find it. Where is it? So this, that's the share. This one, not that one. [00:59:11] Speaker C: I wonder though, do you end up getting a case? [00:59:14] Speaker A: I'm about to show you. I'm about to show you. [00:59:16] Speaker C: Okay. [00:59:17] Speaker A: About to show you. This is what makes it appeal to me. So this is the Xiaomi case. So this, this isn't actually the lights phone. This is the Xiaomi Ultra 17 or whatever. PETA Pixel have done a review on this. This phone, not the Leica one. And this is the case. So it's a case with a grip, extra battery. Look at the grip there. It's got like a dial for shutter speed or whatever, an actual shutter button. This little bit is a like a zoom thing. It's got a video record button. A thumb rest and an extra battery. So when you. It gives your phone extra battery while the grip's on as well. [00:59:59] Speaker B: That's so clever. [01:00:00] Speaker A: And you charge, charge that separately. [01:00:02] Speaker B: And that's actually like a one. [01:00:05] Speaker A: It is, because it, because it's slim enough that you could still pocket it. It's not like this big handle. It almost looks like a Ricoh grip. A little bit. [01:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it does a bit. [01:00:16] Speaker A: So it makes it feel more like a camera. And there's, there's this one too, which kind of makes it like a little point and shoot. See, that's just like a. So you could put this grip on the Leica, even though this is a [01:00:32] Speaker B: crappy strap on it, though. [01:00:34] Speaker A: Gross. Um, but yeah, this, this grip on the, on the Xiaomi one is. It's cool. This is what phones need to do if they want to try and woo us photographers away from hello, lady. Yep. I mean, the photos look good. They look fine. Yeah. I don't know, it's really interesting. If it wasn't, if it was an Apple product, I would be really, really interested. Yeah. What do you guys think? Could something like this tempt you, Greg? [01:01:10] Speaker B: Yeah, it would if it was Apple. Same thing. I'm so invested in the Apple ecosystem. I couldn't imagine picking up an Android phone just for the sake of photography, as I am at the moment. But, you know, for someone who loves photography but hates the idea of carrying a second camera, just wants to use their phone, it's a, it's a great option, you know, and it's got some, some of that, especially with the grip. It's got some really tactile experiences for, for you to feel like you're, you know, you're actually creating images. You're not just snapping, you're actually making thoughtful choices. So, yeah, I think it's good. Anything that entices people to take photos is great. [01:01:54] Speaker A: Wow. [01:01:56] Speaker B: I just think that Apple could do more. You know, for years they've banged on about the quality of their images. You know, let's, let's, let's step it up a bit. [01:02:05] Speaker A: Add a grip. A grip designed by photographers. [01:02:10] Speaker B: I do like. I got the 17. I jumped from a 14 to a 17. And I do like that the 17 has this, this is on a case, but it's got like this extra little flat nub of a button that you can assign to stuff. And that's just my camera button because [01:02:22] Speaker A: of where it sits. [01:02:23] Speaker B: I press it once to wave my camera, I press it twice to take a shot. So I like that but yeah, I feel like it needs more, you know. [01:02:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it definitely could be better. And there's even ways the app works that I don't. I mean it's probably good for most people, but as a photographer it's clunky to try and adjust exposure compensation and stuff like that. That could all. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Yeah, it tries, and it tries to stop you thinking about like being in charge of your own editing. Like it gives you options, but they also, they also sort of give you an overabundance of pre. Preset things or an AI stepping in and changing stuff. So yeah, anyway, it's. Yeah, I mean it's perfectly good. [01:03:06] Speaker A: Rick Nelson wants to know, what if Canon or Fuji made it instead of Leica? Would you buy a Fujifone, Greg? [01:03:12] Speaker B: Not the first one, no. [01:03:13] Speaker C: Yeah, you would. [01:03:14] Speaker A: You would go with the shoes. You tried to. You tried to be like, no, I wouldn't buy the first one. The first one's always. You'd be like, nah, got it lined up. [01:03:24] Speaker B: Actually, no, I'd be sent, I'd be [01:03:25] Speaker C: sent one that's gonna say, yeah, he wouldn't buy one, it'd just be sponsored. [01:03:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I would, I would definitely have a crack at that. What about you? If there was a Canon camera, would you think it was a silly idea or would you. [01:03:38] Speaker A: 0 chance I would buy a Canon phone? Not a chance. I've tried to use their app to transfer photos to my phone and if they can't get that right, a Leica's phone app is great. [01:03:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:50] Speaker A: You know that, that gives me some confidence that they understand how to do that stuff. Unfortunately, Canon make amazing cameras, but they're not real good at the phone side of things and I need to see some proof before I use that as my main method of communication with the rest of the world. That's fair. What about you, Jim, would you buy a Nikon phone? [01:04:09] Speaker C: No, not a chance. [01:04:10] Speaker A: Why not? [01:04:11] Speaker B: Are you an Apple Apple user, Jim? [01:04:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Just too much invested into the Apple ecosystem currently. [01:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:18] Speaker A: Yep. [01:04:19] Speaker C: So. [01:04:20] Speaker A: But it would be yellow. Yeah. Maybe you'd have a Nikon phone. It'd be heavy. [01:04:27] Speaker C: They'll make a yellow Apple phone soon. [01:04:31] Speaker A: They probably will. [01:04:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Or you just get a yellow case. [01:04:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:38] Speaker B: So The Xiaomi is €2,000. [01:04:42] Speaker C: That's expensive. [01:04:44] Speaker A: Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Like if this was an Apple phone co engineered with Leica with these features and a grip, it would be three to four grand probably, you know, like. [01:04:56] Speaker C: Well, €2,000 is. That's like three and a half. Four grand isn't it. [01:05:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it's about three. [01:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's that. No, it's kind of a. If you want to have something different that when you sit on the table and it's got that little red dot and when you're out for dinner and everyone's like, oh, that's not an iPhone. [01:05:15] Speaker B: But some, some people. For some people, their phone is everything, you know. [01:05:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:21] Speaker B: Like they use it for business, they use it for fun. They, you know, they use that over an iPad or a tablet. You know, it's only us stupid Apple users that have one of every device. How did I end up here between them? I do. [01:05:37] Speaker A: And then they've got to all talk to each other because you bounce between them. Speaking of Canon, I saw this on DP review. They must have done an interview with a Canon executive and they said some things that on first look were very exciting and on second look, art. And it's about compact cameras. Canon says its next compact camera will be one packed with tech. I got excited about next compact camera and then I got unexcited about packed with tech. So they're talking about making compact cameras because they're sort of other than the vlogging style one. The V1 that they released, the G7X is seven years old. But then they're talking about making new ones. But the current customers of compact cameras are not really our past customers. These are totally new customers. So it is going to be the role of the next camera we release that can offer new technologies or a new use case. That's the role of the next compact camera. And yeah, I was like, boo. [01:06:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Nothing mechanical, nothing optical, digital, digital zoom. [01:06:56] Speaker A: Well, yeah, it just worries me that if they, if they're trying to go after this, this different photo segment, that's fine for them, but it just means it's not a product for us. [01:07:06] Speaker B: It just feels like they're missed. They're still missing the point. [01:07:09] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, just make a really good camera people will buy. Yeah. [01:07:13] Speaker B: Rico and Fuji are knocking out of the park with, with you know, higher end compacts. [01:07:18] Speaker A: GR4. [01:07:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [01:07:19] Speaker A: Just what people wanted. Yeah, just do that. [01:07:22] Speaker B: And it's the best selling camera. Like what, I don't understand what, what they're missing. [01:07:26] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's not really packed with tech, the GR4 is it? It's just, just a camera. [01:07:32] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, it's just a good camera. [01:07:34] Speaker A: It's just, you know, the tech, if anything's probably a little behind, but it's just a good Good sensor and yeah, it's just a good camera. [01:07:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:42] Speaker A: Greg Carrick says one hour and 20 minutes in and we're still on photo news. [01:07:46] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot of news, Greg. [01:07:48] Speaker A: There's a lot of news. Yeah. CP plus was on this weekend and plus we got nothing else to talk about. We're almost done. We're almost done. Is there anything else? [01:08:00] Speaker C: No. [01:08:00] Speaker B: That's the guts of it. All right, let's talk Canon going retro. [01:08:06] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:11] Speaker B: Can't believe Greg Carrick was a photojournalist and he's a. And he, and he runs a radio show and he's giving us grief about being on for too long. [01:08:18] Speaker A: That's right. [01:08:20] Speaker B: Unbelievable. Hang on, [01:08:24] Speaker A: like my whole thing's not working. All right, let me share this tab. Did you see this, Jim? [01:08:29] Speaker C: No, I'm going to say no. [01:08:32] Speaker A: This was unveiled at CP Plus. It's not, it's a prototype. It's. It's not a production thing. It's been heralded on the Internet as the Canon Blood because you know, it's kind of like a Hasselblad or Mamiya or whatever. But what's weird is Canon I don't think have ever made a camera like this. You know when we think about. It's obviously a retro inspired design, waist level, top down, viewfinder style camera but. And it's actually smaller than I thought it was based on. [01:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah, it actually. [01:09:14] Speaker A: Size of this. Yeah, it's quite little. [01:09:18] Speaker B: Yeah, but like a coffee cup size. [01:09:21] Speaker A: Yeah, but Canon never. They didn't make these. You know how like the Fujifilm, the X half disaster that was. They at least made a camera that was that style of camera and they were trying to bring that back, that DNA back into a modern camera. So what is this? [01:09:45] Speaker B: It feels like an attention grab. I think like we just talked about. I think Canon's feeling a little bit maybe left out or they're feeling a little bit maybe left behind and no one's getting excited about product but they're [01:09:59] Speaker C: the number one share of global interchangeable lenses. [01:10:02] Speaker B: They claim that they are. [01:10:05] Speaker A: That's a fact to claim. [01:10:08] Speaker B: Anyway, so there's two concept models and Justin's got them up on the screen here. [01:10:12] Speaker C: Now can you make them bigger? [01:10:14] Speaker A: I'm trying. I think my computer's gonna double zoom. Yeah, I am. It's. It's like see, look, it's, it's freaking out. Hang on, give me one second. You guys talk amongst yourselves while my computer catches up. [01:10:28] Speaker B: And so. And basically what they're going for is a really Simplistic style of image making. Very similar to in look to, you know, Hasselblad's, which is why Justin has named this episode the Cannon Blad. Very simple controls, very simple mirror system on the inside. And yeah, it's just, it's really odd. And one of them, the one with, the one with the gold kind of brassy knob is a better quality one. The other one looks very obviously 3D printed and it doesn't like it's a concept. It's not a. It's not a real thing. But I'm pretty sure one of them was actually working in the show, or at least I was showing it off. But yeah, this stage, purely a concept. There's no talk about pricing or delivery dates or it going into production. I think it's just an attention exercise to say, hey, look, we can be innovative too. [01:11:31] Speaker A: Gosh, this page is killing. [01:11:33] Speaker C: The good news is I heard Justin just ordered one. [01:11:37] Speaker B: He's crowdfunding it all himself, entirely on his own with the 50 mil sold the houseboat. [01:11:46] Speaker A: This is better. This is better. All right, here we go. So there was, there was, as Greg said, two models, Model A and model B. And I think they were letting people vote on which one they like the aesthetics of better. [01:11:58] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely. [01:12:00] Speaker A: So. Well, yeah, which, okay, interesting because obviously A is more traditional retro camera styling and B is like a modern spin on it. I wonder, is it possible this is a way for them to gauge feelings on a design style for a completely different form factor camera? More of like if they were going to re release, you know, like a retro style, not re release release a retro style camera. Like say an X100 competitor or something. Are they trying to figure out whether they should go traditional retro or a modern spin? [01:12:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know. I like B better. I, I think they're both good. [01:12:48] Speaker C: A mix of both would be. Hey, a mix of both would be probably better. [01:12:53] Speaker A: But. [01:12:54] Speaker B: And is it fixed? Is it like, is there intention for it to be fixed lens or is it going to be that this is. They're playing around with the idea of their medium format. With a medium format concept because, you know, if they made. I mean, it's small but. [01:13:08] Speaker A: Well, this was a tiny factor. This was a tiny sensor though. This was like a type one or whatever. Like a one inch. Yeah, you know, like not tiny, but you know, it wasn't. Yes, I think there were a lot of comments. I was reading a lot of the comments and one of them was if this was a full frame with An RF lens mount. Sign me up and that makes sense. But also would, would many people really buy that when they could just get a normal camera? And, and [01:13:38] Speaker B: it comes back to that, looking for a different experience. You know we just talked about. This is our me. We've seen the Sigma BF last year came out with that, that unibody, that aluminum block unibody. I think people are trying to see what sticks. You know they're throwing out ideas and seeing what catches people's eye and you know if that can turn into a viable product and that's great. I mean it's not, not like they don't have the technology to make this a, a reality. Of course they can. You know them better than anyone according to Justin, you know, because they're the number one. But, but yeah, of course they could do something like this. And, and maybe this is also just a little bit of a, let's get a, let's get a, a sense for what the mood is towards something like this from Canon. [01:14:22] Speaker A: Yeah, but [01:14:25] Speaker B: and again maybe it's just a very simple shooting experience. It's a fixed lens, you know, it does very little, it has very few bells and whistles or perhaps it pairs up with a smartphone app and you control the whole thing with a smartphone. I don't know. [01:14:40] Speaker A: Would it be a miss if, if it was a small sensor like the X half, let's say the image quality was like the X half. Would that be a miss? [01:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. [01:14:51] Speaker A: I think so. [01:14:52] Speaker B: No one if it was in this day and age should put out a camera with that image quality. Not for, not for anything over a thousand dollars. [01:15:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I think, I think with how complicated it's probably, I know it's obviously simple and small but it's not a, it's a complicated viewing user like user experience. I don't think you'd want it to be that lower quality because it's not something you can like quickly bang. It's. [01:15:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it's also got it, you know, it's got a top down viewing style, hasn't it? [01:15:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yes, that. I think that has a screen. Yeah, yeah. That's the concept. [01:15:35] Speaker B: It's like they're trying to grab that kind of nostalgia market a bit to see if you know, in Fujifilm have tried it with the X half and Pentax did it with the 17. You know we're seeing and the om3 was a throwback to, to an older version of the camera. We're seeing this, this sort of bit of a demand for nostalgia in photography again. And maybe this is Canon's answer to that. [01:16:01] Speaker A: So one of the. This is fun. Hang on. One of the comments on Canon rumors said concept cameras are fun. We never did get the wonder camera though. And then had a link to this. These pictures here are from an Expo in 2010. [01:16:25] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:16:27] Speaker A: This is a concept camera from Canon. The idea behind it is one camera, one lens, do everything from macro to 500 mil and still be fast. So yeah, I guess concepts are just concepts sometimes. Yeah, yeah, but. [01:16:46] Speaker B: But no, no camera brain in their right mind is gonna go down that path. [01:16:51] Speaker A: No, look, look at the style. It's so good. [01:16:55] Speaker B: It looks like a hair dryer. She's holding a hairdryer. [01:16:59] Speaker A: Look at this. The picture in the top left. She looks genuinely like shocked that it worked. Okay. No wonder the use takes so long. [01:17:14] Speaker C: That's probably better than that other one to be fair. [01:17:17] Speaker A: So definitely better than the xr. So anyway, look, it's interesting. It's got the waist level viewfinder system allows shooting while vertical projected live images on the screen. For some reason, it has to bounce around a heap of mirrors to get to the sensor. I don't understand how this works and why you wouldn't just have the sensor behind the lens and. And a EVF on the top like a screen on the top. I'm not quite sure. I think I'm missing something. [01:17:43] Speaker B: Maybe they're just purely optical. [01:17:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess so. No, there's something going on because it said [01:17:52] Speaker B: that. [01:17:54] Speaker A: Okay. Light enters via a fixed lens and is redirected by two mirrors. The first bounces it upward, the second projects it onto a special screen. Oh yeah. In the waist level viewfinder mimicking ground glass for a film like texture with visible blur and bokeh. Okay, so it is. Yeah, it is a. An actual light passing through as opposed to an EVF or whatever. [01:18:16] Speaker C: LCD 1 inch 6 megapixel sensor. [01:18:21] Speaker A: Yeah, the prototype, a 1 inch. They must have had. Where would they even find one of those? [01:18:26] Speaker C: Yeah, [01:18:29] Speaker B: can we, can we have some of your old XR sensors? [01:18:36] Speaker A: Oh, it's funny, Rick Nelson says extra DSLR parts left over still. Yeah, maybe. [01:18:43] Speaker C: Yeah, from the first one. [01:18:45] Speaker A: Anyway, anyway. So look, I think the, the best case, the best case for this. It is small in the hands. Look at it. It is pretty tiny. But a few other commenters also mentioned like, hey, this kind of thing, not from Canon and who knows what the image quality of this prototype is, but you can buy toys of these on tamu. Yeah, you know, like we've seen toys of these. They're 100, 150 bucks. And they're like. They're small, they're plasticky, but they are. And they've got a screen for the viewfinder. Definitely not this system. Not an optical viewfinder. But, you know, it's hard to compete with toys unless you've got great image quality. And I think that's the trap they would fall into if it was just a fairly basic thing. [01:19:36] Speaker B: Nostalgia is great, but you still need to be able to capture great images. [01:19:40] Speaker A: If it's going to cost a thousand to $2,000, then yes, absolutely. If it's. If it's 299, then perfect, you know, six megapixel sensor. Sure. [01:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Easy. [01:19:55] Speaker A: Anyway, put it on a keychain. [01:19:56] Speaker B: Just hang it off your bag. [01:19:58] Speaker A: Let's just hope that this is a sign of things to come because Canons always shied away from the retro thing with their modern cameras. So maybe this is them testing the waters to get people's thoughts on design cues for, you know, like Nikon have done. What's it called? The retro style Nikon full frame camera. [01:20:17] Speaker C: That of the Z. I like the df. [01:20:19] Speaker B: Oh, not the. The. The fc. [01:20:22] Speaker A: Yeah, there was. There was. Yeah, there's two and there's the ZED version. What's the ZED version called zf. You know, so Nikon have done it. Canon have always been scared of it. Maybe this is like. Maybe they're just testing the water. Testing. I'd be hopeful for that. And let's hope that it's not a. [01:20:42] Speaker B: Just. [01:20:43] Speaker A: It's. Hopefully it's not another cosplay camera. [01:20:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:47] Speaker A: Okay. [01:20:47] Speaker B: We don't need that. [01:20:51] Speaker A: Jim, you've saved the day today because up until you were coming on the show, this was going to be called what's not in the Box? Because I didn't have anything and Greg didn't have anything. So really going to be just. It was going to be us talking about stuff that we didn't buy this week. But you've got a box. [01:21:13] Speaker C: Yeah, it's just got a 7200 in it. [01:21:17] Speaker A: Is that what you want to open up? Yeah. Didn't you. [01:21:20] Speaker B: Let's finally have a look. [01:21:21] Speaker A: Is it even in there? I don't. [01:21:22] Speaker C: I actually don't know. It's just a rock in there. [01:21:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Version one, 70 to 200. Opening it when the version two comes out. That's sad. But you got another box as well. [01:21:34] Speaker C: I do have another. It's over there, though. [01:21:38] Speaker A: Okay, we'll go. Go get it. I'll make you big and we'll see. Let's open it up. We'll finally get to your images. [01:21:45] Speaker B: It's. [01:21:46] Speaker A: Oh, we're on time. We're doing it. Oh, look at. Oh. Oh, it's a big box. Manfrotto made in the uk. No, no, that's cool. [01:22:01] Speaker C: Hello, I'm back. Can you hear me? [01:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah, we can, we can hear you a little bit. [01:22:06] Speaker C: Do you want me to open up? You just want to see the box? [01:22:08] Speaker A: No, I want to open that bad boy up. Hopefully we can. This is what happens when Jim comes on podcasts. He buys stuff. I like it. [01:22:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:22:19] Speaker A: Who, who inspired this purchase? Jimbo? [01:22:22] Speaker C: This was Richard Grenfell. [01:22:24] Speaker A: Nice. [01:22:26] Speaker C: My cord is very long, but. [01:22:29] Speaker A: Oh, look at it. Look, Bruce. Bruce is onto it. Has Jim started putting into place the notes from the interview two weeks ago? He sure has. And this is one of them. So Richard Grenfell, boudoir photographer from Thrive, he was using this very product in his studio when he gave us a little tour while on the podcast. [01:22:55] Speaker C: It's quite hard to do with headphones. [01:22:58] Speaker A: You're doing a good job. It's very noisy. I should mute you. Sorry. To those listening on audio Back later, that was the sound of Jim pulling a big round black thing out of a cardboard box. That's it. Nice. What is it? [01:23:23] Speaker C: It's a lastolite highlight. [01:23:27] Speaker A: Massive. [01:23:28] Speaker C: Should I try and open it and see if it. [01:23:30] Speaker A: Yeah, pop it up. [01:23:31] Speaker C: I. I don't know how it goes back. [01:23:34] Speaker A: Is it, is it bad luck, Bad luck to open it inside. Like an umbrella. [01:23:39] Speaker C: It's not an umbrella. [01:23:40] Speaker A: Okay. Oh, gosh. [01:23:43] Speaker B: I should mute while he's doing that. Justin, can you explain what, what the product actually is? [01:23:47] Speaker A: Okay, so it's, it's basically, it's, it's designed to be a background. Oh, hang on. He's gonna open plastic. Let me mute him. Mute him a little bit for a second while he does that. It's supposed to be a giant background that you can actually put studio lights in. So imagine a big diffuser that would be inside a pop up reflector, but it's. There's two of them and they separate apart. Jeez. Are you okay, Jim? They separate apart about 30 centimeters. And then you put your strobes inside it and then it becomes just a giant softbox or becomes a giant background. So if you can see behind Jimbo. Now if you imagine if we put a light in there. [01:24:40] Speaker B: Get in it, Jim. [01:24:41] Speaker A: Yeah, get in it, Jim. He can't hear us, but hopefully he gets in there. So, yeah, if you put studio lights inside there, you can actually blow the whole background out. Or you can use it as a big softbox. [01:24:54] Speaker C: I think there's more parts in the thing. There's some poles that might make it more stable. [01:24:59] Speaker A: We're hoping you're going to get inside it. Yeah, like. Like spongebob. [01:25:04] Speaker C: It's actually bigger than me. [01:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah. You could use it as a background for you. [01:25:08] Speaker C: Yeah, it's huge. [01:25:10] Speaker B: That's cool. [01:25:11] Speaker A: You could put the video lights in there and make it a podcast background. Just be. Greg Carrick says it's a camping tent. [01:25:23] Speaker C: Yes. [01:25:24] Speaker A: And listen to Goodwin says, good luck putting it back in the back. [01:25:27] Speaker C: Yeah, that was it. Look, it looks like the bag's supposed to be used, so I think it's gonna twist up. [01:25:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:25:35] Speaker C: But that might be tomorrow's job. [01:25:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:39] Speaker B: Out of your office first. [01:25:41] Speaker A: I mean, a few weeks in there till you have your next meeting. [01:25:46] Speaker C: Yeah, probably. I had one today, so. [01:25:52] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, that's exciting. I'm keen to see some images that you make with it. [01:25:55] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:25:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Ken. To try and make it work. Speaking of, listen to. She did ask a question before. We probably won't get into it today, but might revisit it another time. [01:26:09] Speaker A: Where is it? [01:26:11] Speaker C: I'll try and find it. She said. Jim, do you have any up. More updates on that client? Lucinda, I have heaps of updates on that client. [01:26:19] Speaker B: Do you? [01:26:20] Speaker C: Yeah, like, it's probably a segment, really, [01:26:24] Speaker A: so we need to schedule it in. [01:26:26] Speaker C: Well, it's. It's. There's a. There's been a few updates. There's. [01:26:30] Speaker A: Okay. [01:26:31] Speaker C: The finalization of what we spoke about in last year, and then there's been two more updates since. [01:26:38] Speaker A: Really? Okay. But it's. It's a. [01:26:41] Speaker C: It's an interesting chat, so. Yeah, I know you've got a few images, so probably don't have time for that today. [01:26:46] Speaker A: I was gonna say. Yeah, we probably don't have time tonight, but we'll do it next time. We'll do it. We'll go back because we'll have to recap for the people that missed the first set, so just, you know, so they know what happened, and then we'll. We'll get some resolution. [01:26:56] Speaker C: Hopefully there's. Yeah. Wow. [01:27:00] Speaker A: Maybe. [01:27:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:04] Speaker A: Okay. Is there anything else before we get into your images? The images? [01:27:10] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. I think we're good. Let's get into the images. [01:27:14] Speaker A: Okay. [01:27:16] Speaker B: Listen, it keeps asking for my best Count Dracula impression. Sash got me a new T shirt. Oh, look at that all over it. [01:27:24] Speaker C: I couldn't work out why she was asking for that earlier. [01:27:27] Speaker A: Yeah, can't give this one, Greg. [01:27:35] Speaker B: There you go. That's it. [01:27:38] Speaker C: Have you seen Hotel Transylvania? [01:27:41] Speaker B: The animated show? [01:27:42] Speaker C: Yeah, movie. [01:27:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I've watched it. [01:27:44] Speaker C: You gotta say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [01:27:49] Speaker B: Thanks. [01:27:51] Speaker A: Okay, I am going to press the button and do the thing. [01:27:56] Speaker B: And then we got on tonight with the images. Jesus. [01:27:58] Speaker C: A lot as it looks like. [01:28:00] Speaker A: There's a ton. And I've got some too. And you've got some. Jim's got none. [01:28:09] Speaker C: Well, I've got some, but they're not. [01:28:11] Speaker A: All right, we're gonna have to move fast. All right, hang on. Turbo up there. Just give me a second. There's a lot going on in the background here. [01:28:22] Speaker B: Not as much as Jim's got going on with that huge tent. He's going to sleep in it tonight. The door. [01:28:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I didn't think. Well, it's. It's big, isn't it? [01:28:32] Speaker B: Yeah, it's massive. [01:28:35] Speaker A: Okay, so we're going to kick off tonight with David Leporardi. These are some more images created for the Queensland Police Service Media Unit. As I stated last week, they own the copyright to the images and I've blurred the faces of serving members and staff. All images shot with Canon EOS 5D Mark III, various EFS EF lenses and the 600 EX RT speed lights. Image number one, motorcycle officers on at speed on freeway. Shot at 16 mil from front seat of police car at 100 km an hour. Let me try and make this bigger so I can see it. But that is epic. Beautiful motion blur. How old are. That is a great question. How old are they, David? [01:29:25] Speaker C: If you're in sensor 5D Mark III. [01:29:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So 2015, 2017, 2018. [01:29:34] Speaker C: And judging by the bikes and like the. Delivery. [01:29:37] Speaker B: Yeah, delivery, Jim, delivery. The box is pretty cool. [01:29:44] Speaker A: Image number two, stock squad officer and horse, one 600ex flash. Image number three, technician two 600ex flashes with blue gels behind the racks. And the subject has a flash with softbox as well. [01:30:01] Speaker C: Nice use of gels. [01:30:02] Speaker A: I wonder what they're doing. Just like hacking the system. Yeah, yeah. [01:30:07] Speaker C: The mainframe. [01:30:08] Speaker A: The mainframe. That's generally what you like to hack in the livery. [01:30:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:30:16] Speaker A: Image number four, drug lab testing two 600 EX flashes. [01:30:23] Speaker B: Look, I've done my fair share of drugs. I've never worn that sort of get up. [01:30:26] Speaker A: No. [01:30:28] Speaker C: Until you really breathe it all in, you really just. [01:30:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:33] Speaker C: In case you keep it in. Yeah, [01:30:36] Speaker A: Very interesting. This would be a fun Shoot. Yeah. Really fun. [01:30:42] Speaker C: Those masks suck by the way for trying not to get like flash like reflections on. [01:30:50] Speaker A: Oh yeah, oh yeah, they do. We had a lot of trouble with that. [01:30:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:30:55] Speaker A: Because they're, because they're fully curved. You're going to get reflections almost from anywhere. So well done on these, David. Toxic gas. [01:31:06] Speaker B: Toxic gas. Oh, sorry. [01:31:09] Speaker A: What year do you reckon these were taken, David? Now image number five. Eort officer. Yeah. Explosive Ordinance Response Team three 600 EX flashes. One softbox right one left rear rim. Light one on the background. See, I'm so glad that he also had a reflection because we, we had [01:31:34] Speaker C: a lot of trouble. [01:31:35] Speaker A: It's, it is, it's really tough to avoid reflections on masks and then still [01:31:40] Speaker C: get light in like on the eyes. [01:31:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:31:44] Speaker C: David said 2016 to 2019. [01:31:47] Speaker B: Okay. [01:31:47] Speaker A: Yeah. This one would be, would be particularly tricky too because if you tried to light with two strip boxes from the side like we did, Jim, you would get shadows from the neck protector. [01:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:59] Speaker A: So yeah, yeah, well done. This would be tricky. You could go. Yeah, I don't know. [01:32:05] Speaker C: But then you get. [01:32:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a great shot though. [01:32:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Image number six. There's a few variations of this. Special emergency response team officers Godox AD200 in 90 centimeter softbox. And then this one handheld smoke machine behind. And then this one with more smoke. That one looks cool. [01:32:37] Speaker B: That looks amazing. [01:32:38] Speaker C: David, did you have to find two left handed and two right handed shooters for these shots or did you make them hold it in their opposite hand? [01:32:46] Speaker A: That's a great question. Yeah, I guess you just tell them to swap around for the symmetry. But that's interesting. [01:32:58] Speaker B: Yeah. The black and white for the win. Greg says. Greg Carrick. [01:33:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. As much as this, that's definitely got like the, you know, the police vibe with the blue and red and stuff. Yeah, that is just, that's striking. Love that. [01:33:13] Speaker C: No, this is how I formed up. [01:33:15] Speaker A: He said it's cool. [01:33:17] Speaker C: Worked out. [01:33:24] Speaker B: Very cool. [01:33:25] Speaker A: Yeah, epic work. Okay, hang on. And I think there's one more. [01:33:28] Speaker B: Where are we diagram? [01:33:31] Speaker A: Oh yeah, sorry, yeah. Diagram. Image number 7. Lighting diagram for this shot which is showing. Yes. So the. Hang on, I'll zoom in on the. So softbox above on a boom and then fog behind. Very nice. No flash behind medium gray background. No flash. Interesting. [01:33:57] Speaker B: Nice. [01:34:00] Speaker A: Love it. Love your work. Moving on to a new face. So this was from Marty Strecker. Where are we? Where am I going to start this one? Marty says hi Justin, hope you're well. I'm enjoying the Podcast. I think I've listened to many of the older ones and are up to date. You had. You have had some great guests. Some I actually know and follow and others just great. Finding out more. I won't get the chance to listen live. I mostly listen to the podcast version. So I just have to visualize the images and the bits that you show and gab on about. And then it goes on to say I humbly drop a variety of images should you feel they are worth a chat. I started in landscape, then found people and do stuff like sport, including mountain biking events and portrait. Thanks for what you're doing now. He sent her a ton of photos. I've picked just a handful out because we've got so many people on tonight. Of a bit of variety because they were pretty. It was a broad variety of stuff. Whoop. Not good. Yeah, sorry. Fix this up. Fix up my window. [01:35:06] Speaker C: Yeah, better. [01:35:08] Speaker A: There we go. Yeah. And it was a really interesting variety of stuff which I think you'll see as I go through. So some beautiful landscapes. Yeah. And lots of texture that I don't know if he's added it in Photoshop or how it's done, but some really cool textures. But then this slow shadow. Yeah, [01:35:31] Speaker C: slow shadow with rain is so interesting. [01:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that's really cool because it's the [01:35:35] Speaker C: opposite of what you think to do with rain. [01:35:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I tend to. I tend to always gravitate to freezing it. Yeah. So yeah, I really love this one. I think this was out of. Out of all of the shots that he sent through. This one I think was my favorite. And then, yeah, portrait with some gelled lighting. I don't know whether this was for a portrait shoot or maybe something for a theater company. Maybe. I'm not sure. [01:36:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it's got that vibe, hasn't it? [01:36:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that was the first thing that came to my mind then I thought I might have just been a styled portrait shoot, but yeah, Philip Johnson says, lovely landscape, very painterly. That's what I thought with a lot of the textures. Very painterly. And then there was this one. Oh, wow. Again, that looks like texture. [01:36:29] Speaker C: Kind of. [01:36:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Great work, Marty. Thanks for sending these into. And thanks for your email. It's always awesome to get emails from names that we haven't heard before in the chat. Just to know that there are people, you know, we. We get the stats on how many people listen to the audio version, but it's. It's much better to put a face or some photos to the listeners names. And then this one got me Jim Hey. Yeah, someone's been shooting a little bit of CrossFit. So this is. This is at a CrossFit gym. Some people doing some. Either some pull ups or toes to bar. Not quite sure. I'm guessing pull ups and you can tell. But I love the motion blur. Again, not something I would immediately gravitate towards. [01:37:15] Speaker C: No. When shooting freeze people. [01:37:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:17] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's a great idea. It just gives a little bit of motion. You can tell something's going on. But the guy's face is nice and sharp. So it works. It's perfect. And then a bit. Bit of mountain biking. Mountain biking. Wide angle is tough with some flash [01:37:38] Speaker C: by look of it. Maybe some off camera flash or is it just the sun? Just the way it's hitting the face. [01:37:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Because it's quite a low angle. Yeah. [01:37:50] Speaker C: And the sun's popping down like it's overcast popping down. But that light looks like it's coming in and across. I reckon there's some flash in there. [01:37:57] Speaker A: You might be right, Jimbo. I didn't pick on that up at the start. I just thought it was. [01:38:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that makes sense why you wouldn't pick it up. [01:38:08] Speaker A: Well, I was, I was in the middle of. Of probably putting together one of our biggest nights of your images. Photos in a bit of a hurry but you know. Yeah, I didn't quite notice. You might. [01:38:18] Speaker C: David. David Leporati also says looks like flash. [01:38:22] Speaker A: Flash added. Yeah. Yeah. Sharp shadow on the sign. That is flash. [01:38:28] Speaker C: Is that. So is that shadow on the side or is that like the logo? [01:38:32] Speaker A: No, that's the shadow on the sign of the deal. [01:38:34] Speaker C: I thought it was like. Yeah, maybe the logo. That makes sense. [01:38:40] Speaker A: That would be a weird coincidence. [01:38:43] Speaker C: Well, but it's a mountain bike. Is that Finch Hatton or something? [01:38:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think so. [01:38:49] Speaker C: Yeah. Anyway, that would make sense. Yeah. [01:38:51] Speaker A: Okay, final image. Here we go. [01:38:58] Speaker B: Oh, I love that. [01:39:01] Speaker A: Very, very moody and mysterious. [01:39:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:04] Speaker A: What an interesting tree. It is like an album. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what this is. [01:39:12] Speaker C: Sell. [01:39:12] Speaker A: It's spot on. [01:39:16] Speaker C: Very cool. [01:39:18] Speaker A: Thank you, Marty. Thanks for sending those through. Send more in and yeah, I'd love to hear more from you about what you do. Great work. And if you're listening, send me an email. Justinuckystraps.com anytime. Send me some photos or just let me know you like listening to the show. [01:39:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:35] Speaker A: Let me know who your favorite guest [01:39:36] Speaker C: was or let him know if you don't like listening to the show he loves. [01:39:42] Speaker A: That's also fun. Okay. Andrew Connor. Hi again. Copying Greg a Little here. With the new tunnel, an early visit to the shrine has opened up. Always a special place to visit. And I love the way the flame dances. It's almost like you can find shapes, patterns, or even dragons in it. [01:40:07] Speaker C: That's. Yeah, I see a dragon. [01:40:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:10] Speaker A: And then a walk along the river always finds something interesting. [01:40:15] Speaker C: The light there is. It's a good time, like, well timed with the ambience and the lighting on the building. Just. [01:40:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Being able to expose for everything. Very nice, that Andrew. [01:40:31] Speaker B: It's great. [01:40:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Very cool. [01:40:38] Speaker B: That's awesome. That's another album cover. [01:40:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it is a bit too. I was trying to work out if the color's been pulled out of everything but the sign. [01:40:47] Speaker C: That's what it looks like. But then it looks like a bit of green or something in the background. [01:40:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:40:52] Speaker C: Like in the middle center. [01:40:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And then more from Andrew. The architecture. Very cool. [01:41:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Go check that out. [01:41:13] Speaker A: Dennis is asking where. Where is this shrine? And apparently it's on St. Kilda Road. [01:41:25] Speaker B: It's all part of that whole spine of green that goes through St. Kilda Road. The Botanical Gardens. It sort of backs onto the Botanical Gardens and that sort of across the river into what, the Treasury Gardens then and all that sort of area. Birong Ma, when you come to Melbourne and we'll go for a walk. I'll take you down there. [01:41:48] Speaker A: Up next, we have Paul Sutton taken at the Augusta at Augusta, Southwest Australia, over Xmas Christmas, New Year break with the Panasonic G9 Mark II 100 to 400 at 146 mil. 8,000th of a second. I guess that's F56 at ISO 2000. It was so much fun to be able to get and sit down on the beach, get close to the kite surfers as they were practicing surfing across the bar. This shot was selected as it shows several surfers and the breadth of the space they were using with one of them high in the sky after taking off. Augusta is a mecca for kite surfers and consistent strong winds and the lagoon offering flat water. While the other side, closer to where I was, gives ideal conditions for the more advanced riders. Shredding. [01:42:44] Speaker C: It's a difficult thing to shoot, like, because there's no. They're not. There's no pattern to their movement. So they're kind of obviously just going with the wind. So to line things up like that would be. [01:43:00] Speaker A: Yeah, you might. Yeah. If you wanted this specific shot, you might have to wait for a long time to. To get. [01:43:06] Speaker C: Yes. [01:43:06] Speaker A: To be like, I want someone in the air and Then I want some other guys in the. Yeah. In the background and. Yeah, definitely. It would not be easy. [01:43:13] Speaker B: You guys like your adventure sports and jumping off. Have you ever tried this? [01:43:18] Speaker C: No. No, I really want to. [01:43:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I've thought about it, but because we don't really have the ideal. You can do it on our lake here, but it's not ideal for it. The conditions aren't quite windy enough and stuff. And it's always been a proximity thing for me. It's like, would I, would I travel to the coast to do this when we've got waterways and a boat closer? Yeah, but. But I did always used to say if I found myself without a boat, I should probably try this sport. [01:43:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:43:51] Speaker A: So it's very similar. [01:43:54] Speaker C: Just learning the kite. [01:43:55] Speaker A: Learning to fly a kite a lot. [01:43:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:43:57] Speaker A: You need a lot of knowledge of the wind and all that sort of stuff. [01:44:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:44:03] Speaker A: Awesome. [01:44:04] Speaker B: Very cool. [01:44:04] Speaker A: Well done, Paul. All right. Up next, the one and only Lisa Leech. [01:44:11] Speaker B: Hey. [01:44:11] Speaker A: Hey. Now, please see my image for the podcast this week. I have cropped and recropped and I'm not entirely sure it's finished just yet. I've called it Dance of the Sunrise because the, the light of the sun cascades over the tree like a ball gown. I was reluctant to jump out of bed pre sunrise on this day, but I often find when you push yourself to get out, Mother Nature rewards you with some magnificent light. Thank you for sharing. Thanks, Lisa. I like the crop. Is it. [01:44:46] Speaker B: Is that. [01:44:47] Speaker A: That's a four by five, I guess not quite square. [01:44:49] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not square. [01:44:51] Speaker B: Not quite. I think I saw on her socials the, the fuller version. But yeah, the crop is really interesting. [01:45:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean the subject. I guess the question is, is the subject the tree in the foreground or in the background? Or is it both? [01:45:11] Speaker B: I think your eye bounces back and forth so you go into this sort of soft focus background area and you try to sort of depict what's actually happening with the light and then your eye gets drawn back to the foreground where it's in really stark, sharp contrast to the background. I think it's really clever play on sort of how your eye travels through it, which is great. [01:45:39] Speaker A: Okay, I'm going to keep on rolling because there's a ton more images. Yeah, that was a beautiful shot. And then I've just realized that it's both. Yeah, I think it's both. [01:45:52] Speaker B: I think so too. [01:45:56] Speaker A: I've just realized that the next collection of images from Phil Thompson, hopefully they're in order. I think there was an extra email. I'm not sure if I've got it here. There's a lot of images, so can't spend a ton of time on each one, but they're all epic. Phil Thompson says I'm always chasing rainbows, like the song. We were chatting on the phone on Friday and he's talking about some of these rainbow shots and that there were. So the first two are reflection rainbows at Swan Bay near Queenscliff in, I think back in 2011, the sun was rising, reflecting on a rainstorm that was sweeping across from Queenscliff. At that particular time. I ran out on the old jetty into the rain to compose it so that it began at the bow of the little boat and the other end joined the shoreline. I think. Hang on, there's more of them as well. So there's. There's a ton of rainbow shots in here. You're saying if you have a time. The other rainbows are shots that I've had at various times at Dogs Dog Rocks over our now extinct Tree Point Lonsdale Lighthouse. [01:47:17] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:47:19] Speaker A: Barrable Hills near Geelong. Gosh. Oh, these are epic rainbow shots. [01:47:26] Speaker B: That's insane. [01:47:33] Speaker A: It's like so many rainbows. I could spend five minutes on each one. Look at that one. [01:47:39] Speaker C: Look how it joins in. Like two distinct spots out of that. [01:47:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know if we're still at. Might be at the Lake of Sands Golf Links in Torquay. I'm not sure. I've lost track as to where we're up to on this list of images, but they're all around the Geelong area. [01:48:03] Speaker B: That's a map that's almost like an optical illusion. The way it draws you in. The clouds, the. The, you know, the vegetation on the ground, all the lines are just pulling you into the center and it feels like it gets magnified by the rainbow on the. On the top half of the frame. [01:48:19] Speaker A: Yeah. The lights is beautiful on all of these. Another one. Oh, gosh. These are all just. [01:48:33] Speaker B: That's crazy. [01:48:34] Speaker A: I just want. I want to get one of these. You got all of them. Stealing all the rainbows from the rest of us. Like a Pink Floyd album cover. [01:48:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:48:49] Speaker A: These are truly beautiful images. Absolutely epic. Up in the hills. [01:49:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Bruce is echoing those sentiments. They are epic. [01:49:08] Speaker A: And then this. I think it's this one. So M is at North Lawn the morning my brothers and I scattered our parents ashes over the water at a favorite swimming and fishing location below where our holiday house was. [01:49:29] Speaker B: That's amazing. [01:49:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:49:33] Speaker A: What a beautiful sight to see. [01:49:35] Speaker C: Yeah. Nice to have that memory too. [01:49:38] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. Thank you for sending all those through. That is a. That is one of the most epic rainbow collections of images I've ever seen. And just going back to these ones at the start, like, look at that. [01:49:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:49:59] Speaker A: And then this just insane. Amazing work as always. And. Oh, sorry, there was extra. All shot on Pentax cameras K1, K1, Mark 2, K5, K3, and K20D that I've owned over that period of time. And I submitted it to Earth photo of the Day back then, and it got featured. [01:50:30] Speaker B: Oh, cool. [01:50:31] Speaker A: Which is very cool. All right, moving on to Paul Carpenter. [01:50:45] Speaker C: Greg Carrick said, please don't follow mine. These were. [01:50:50] Speaker A: Okay, I'll give. I'll make. I'll wedge a couple in between. Paul Carpenter had my first attempt developing film at home this weekend. Used the massive dev app that Joel Alston recommended, which was easy to use, and I managed to get some images. These are just pics taken on the. On. On the phone with an iPad. I was like, phone phones don't have film. I get it now. Taken on the phone with an iPad as a light source. Hence the low detail. I have a small light box on order and a 35 mil by 0.5 macro lens to try next time was great fun. Think I'll keep going with this. Let's have a look at some other ones. [01:51:31] Speaker B: Very cool. [01:51:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Develop your own film. That is. That's super cool. Even just. Just getting it to turn out would be an achievement. [01:51:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:51:40] Speaker A: Let alone getting. [01:51:42] Speaker C: Getting a photo is. [01:51:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:51:46] Speaker C: It's just an achievement in itself. [01:51:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I love that one. [01:51:50] Speaker B: Again, there's a timelessness to these black and whites. I know the subject matter makes the time ambiguous, but there's still this timelessness to those black and white frames. I love it. [01:52:05] Speaker A: Kyle Atwood says, great work. I'm currently sitting here scanning rolls of FP4. I process the savo. That's cool. [01:52:12] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [01:52:15] Speaker A: Bruce says he's huffed the chemicals. He's now addicted. [01:52:18] Speaker B: Yep. [01:52:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Awesome work. Great work. I can't wait to see more film developed from home. Maybe I'll have to try it one day, but I just. I just don't think I'm ready. It's so much nicer for me just to send them off to John at Lumina Labs and be, like, working magic. [01:52:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:52:38] Speaker A: Even when I do his questionnaire, he, like, lets you choose what scanner and stuff you want, but there's a setting that's just, like, you decide. Because I'm like, I don't know yeah, [01:52:50] Speaker C: give me the best one. [01:52:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:53] Speaker C: So. [01:52:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Very cool. Now where are we up to? [01:53:01] Speaker C: David Mascara. [01:53:02] Speaker A: David Mascara. How are, guys? So all these were taken with the point and shoot 28 TI and Portra 160, Kodak 400, all in the Mission District of San Francisco. One of your guests uses this camera at weddings. Yeah. Joel Alston, the guy that shoots all film, whom I now follow. I dig his style. The Mission District probably has every Latin culture there is. Great restaurants, different events throughout the year, celebrating cultures. Never a dull moment. But the. The good comes with the bad. Unhoused drugs, ugly streets. Always things to photograph. Anyways, have a great show. Cool shot. San Francisco. [01:53:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:53:51] Speaker A: Bridge in the background. We didn't spend enough time there. When we. When we visited, we only had one day, basically, and it was cool, but we didn't even. I don't think we even got anywhere near this district. [01:54:04] Speaker C: That's cool. [01:54:05] Speaker A: It's like anything, you know, you go to visit Melbourne, it's like, what are you going to see if you visit Melbourne for one day? Traffic, you know? Yeah, yeah, exactly. [01:54:17] Speaker C: But if you do go to Melbourne, go to South Yarra and visit Greg's house. [01:54:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:54:23] Speaker C: See, single use items only. [01:54:27] Speaker B: You can go through my bin for the stuff I don't want anymore. [01:54:29] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [01:54:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:54:32] Speaker C: Fuji lenses and. [01:54:33] Speaker A: Yeah. How good's the color of film? [01:54:37] Speaker B: Yeah, the colors are just gorgeous. [01:54:39] Speaker A: Look at that red. [01:54:40] Speaker B: What do you say? [01:54:41] Speaker A: Shooting with so Portra 160 and Kodak 400. I wonder if it's. I wonder if it's the ultra max 400 that I have. Because otherwise he would have said Portra 400. Awesome work as always, David. [01:54:59] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks. [01:55:00] Speaker A: Great images. And moving on to Greg Carrick, who says, I did a series some time ago called Flat World. I wanted to see the normal world in a different way to remind myself that there's always something worth seeing. If you look. Notes on gear. No notes on gear as the gear is irrelevant. [01:55:24] Speaker B: Nice. [01:55:27] Speaker A: These are nice, but they've. I don't know. To me, there's something unsettling about this. [01:55:33] Speaker C: The first one wasn't, but this one does look feel unsettling. [01:55:37] Speaker A: This one's like a little creepy. [01:55:38] Speaker B: There's something a bit kind of animalistic about it, isn't it? Like antlers and. [01:55:43] Speaker C: Yeah, it's kind of like a face almost with the. The green below those eyes and little whiskers below that. [01:55:51] Speaker A: Maybe that's what it is. Yeah. So different. [01:56:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:56:01] Speaker A: It's not. My brain doesn't Work like this? [01:56:05] Speaker C: No, not this. Artistic. [01:56:09] Speaker A: No, definitely not. Just mine. Just sees things and takes photos of that. Yeah, yeah, [01:56:19] Speaker B: Very cool. [01:56:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I'd be interested to know, Greg, how you come up with this. Like, I know you say you wanted to see the world in a different way, but then how do you take it from that to these images? That's interesting to know. Yeah, very, very cool. Very cool images. Drugs. Greg just said drugs. [01:56:47] Speaker B: At least he's honest. [01:56:48] Speaker A: Well, what sort? You know, this is a. You know, there's a reason we asked for the specs and stuff. And what's. What gear you shot and what settings, you know, what did you take and how much? [01:57:00] Speaker C: We're a sharing podcast. [01:57:02] Speaker A: That's right. [01:57:02] Speaker C: No gatekeeping. [01:57:04] Speaker A: No gatekeeping. Is this in reference to the images, Bruce, or the drugs? Okay, I'll be back. Okay, Flick. Felicity Johnson, here we go. Here are a few photos. Thanks for having this segment. I was just looking at photos by other photographers and I love all the encouragement from you guys and the camera life, family. Well, thank you. Thanks for being a part of it. Now I've started the wrong part, but that's okay. Saltworks up near Kerang. DJI mini 4 pro. I love the Mini as it's nice and quiet, small enough to fit in a camera bag, and was affordable. Yeah. And the image quality is great, too. I've got a mini and a Mavic 3 Pro or whatever it is, and obviously the. The bigger one is better, but it, you know, sometimes it's just like you say, it's noisy, it's noticeable, and it takes up a lot more space in the bag, [01:58:10] Speaker C: so. [01:58:11] Speaker A: Those colors are insane. That orange is just gorgeous, isn't it? So vibrant. I've never been up to this area, I don't think. I've certainly never explored it with a drone. If. If I've been near the area I've just driven past. Yeah, I think I should. [01:58:24] Speaker B: It's not far from your place, is it? [01:58:29] Speaker A: What would it be? Hour and a half, two hours? I'm not sure. [01:58:35] Speaker B: That's just like heading to the Karang in South Yara. You just get stuck in traffic for an hour and a half. [01:58:39] Speaker A: Maybe it's only a bit over an hour. Can't remember. Used to go up that direction when I was a kid, but haven't been there for years. Another image. Pelican in flight, sitting in a small speedboat. We rotated in a circle as the pelican flew around us. Nikon Z8 with 180 to 600 mil lens, shutter speed. At 1 4,000th of a second on the Murray river to Runbury, a place I do know very well. Yeah, that's. [01:59:08] Speaker B: That's amazing. [01:59:09] Speaker A: That is insane. Is that cropped much or is that close to, like, how you shot it? That's crazy. So much detail. It's so close. Yeah, that is. I've never seen a pelican photo like that before. [01:59:34] Speaker C: Cool with the wing. [01:59:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:37] Speaker A: It looks like it's posed there, just hanging out. I love watching pelicans glide. And I love it so much more when they get close to the water and they, like, sit really, like low as they're humming along. And then when they put their big feet out and they. [01:59:56] Speaker C: It's impressive. [01:59:57] Speaker A: It is very big. They're a big bird when they come in for their water landings. Put the big feet in. Last one. This one's called Snooze and Groom. Bendigo Agricultural Show. I grew up in a dog show family who ran obedience classes. And we had Australian champion level standard poodles. I had to snap this photo. As I remember, there were always. There was always the partner or the kids sitting around in the background looking bored. Not another dog show. [02:00:37] Speaker B: Yeah. He's dreaming of, like, the golf course or, you know, a beer by the pool, but no. [02:00:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Or just going home. [02:00:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:00:50] Speaker A: Being in bed. [02:00:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Anywhere but here. Very cool. [02:00:56] Speaker A: We're getting through it. We're getting through it. Where are we? The. [02:01:04] Speaker B: The Dennis Smith. [02:01:06] Speaker A: The Dennis Smith. I found my Canon 450D and 50mil plastic fantastic. My first camera. Plugged a battery in and boom, fired up, took it out for a night. Made a bunch of work, and the files looked stunning. It was like going on a date with an old girlfriend. Lots of stories, a few tears, and amazing new memories. And of course, no one on the socials noticed a thing. It's true. It's true. You could have told me that this was from a brand new camera that. That's yet unreleased and is the most epic thing you've ever used. And I'll be like, wow, I wonder what sort of camera it is. This photo looks amazing. [02:01:51] Speaker B: But to be fair, to be fair, you could give Dennis a pinhole camera and he would still make magic. [02:01:58] Speaker C: Yes. [02:01:59] Speaker A: Yes. And Dennis says, that looks a little soft. It's tech sharp. It is tech sharp. On my screen, you are viewing it through a live stream compressed. It's probably not getting all of the, you know, many, many megapixels as the, the 450D could possibly provide. But, yeah, it does look wonderful on the Screen. Oh, and there's a sick BTS vid on the YouTube. So go and check that out. Go to. At the School of Light or just search for School of Light Dennis Smith or whatever on YouTube and check out the behind the scenes of making this images. Okay. Next, Philip Johnson. Where is he? Down here. Let's start with. Which one's which. This one. Panorama. Blue mountains camera. Sony A7.4 lens, 7202.8 mark 2. Another morning shot of the Gross Valley in Blue Mountains National Park. Sometimes the clouds just sit on us. Shot as a pano handheld. Nice. [02:03:21] Speaker B: What am I seeing there? [02:03:24] Speaker C: Is that a detail or something? No, I think it's just a rendering I was getting on my end. [02:03:29] Speaker A: I think it's the rendering pushing through that, making the rocks look like a bit over. [02:03:36] Speaker C: Yeah. I thought it was a helicopter on one at one point, but. [02:03:39] Speaker A: Yeah. No, it's just. It's a big pano. [02:03:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it looks cool. [02:03:43] Speaker A: The files. Yeah, the files. Big. Look at this. Clouds and fog. [02:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:03:51] Speaker A: You live in a beautiful part of the world, Philip. [02:03:54] Speaker C: Yeah, we don't get that in Bendigo. [02:03:57] Speaker A: No. Our mountains aren't as big. [02:04:00] Speaker C: No. [02:04:02] Speaker A: And there's another one from a similar spot. [02:04:05] Speaker B: Oh, wow, that's cool. Good framing. [02:04:10] Speaker A: Let me make my screen less pano for you guys. There we go. [02:04:16] Speaker C: Nice. [02:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:04:18] Speaker A: And then great to follow up with more tree bark. Tree bark is addictive. This shot of the bark. This shot of the bark of a squiggly. A squibbly gum. In the megalong valley, I found the best time to shoot trees, and especially tree bark is wet, misty weather. You shot any more bark lately, Greg? [02:04:47] Speaker B: Every now and then when I'm out with the camera, I'll grab a couple of shots. Sometimes I edit them, sometimes I don't. But yeah, it's certainly. Once you. Once you get an eye for it, it's like macro. You start just looking everywhere for it. You start seeing it. [02:05:04] Speaker A: I've never done it. I have to try it. I was actually interesting about. You've got some interesting trees. [02:05:12] Speaker C: Yeah, like. Oh, the bark would be interesting, I think. [02:05:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was been thinking about macro a bit lately. I'm gonna. I'm gonna do it one day. Let me give it a try. [02:05:24] Speaker C: You've got some interesting trees. [02:05:27] Speaker A: I do have some interesting trees. There's bugs everywhere. [02:05:32] Speaker B: Oh, you've got that. Yeah. You've got a big. What's that big pine tree you've got at the front? Norfolk Pine. [02:05:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I had one of those growing up. [02:05:42] Speaker A: There's a bit of stuff in my backyard and front yard that I could play around with. Plus we've got the creek and stuff. I think there'd be maybe a macro world I could discover, but. [02:05:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, once you. And like I said, once you start seeing it, you just, you can't, you can't not see it. [02:05:58] Speaker A: You can't unsee it. [02:06:00] Speaker C: Do they make a 50 mil macro for Canon? [02:06:04] Speaker A: No, but they've got a beautiful 100 mil macro which is an owl lens. [02:06:11] Speaker C: You need another 50. [02:06:14] Speaker A: There's no other 50s for me to get. I've got them. [02:06:17] Speaker C: I'll. I'll email Canon and tell them to make a 50 macro. [02:06:21] Speaker A: I'm all 50'd out. But yeah, I, I thought about it and then I was like, I've got a 35, so I'll play around with that. It's a 35. It has a little bit of macro capability. That would be enough for me to have a little play with. But like everyone says, it's a close focal, like a close working range to really do much with. Yeah, yeah. So cool. [02:06:44] Speaker B: Great. [02:06:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Great work, Philip. Phil Thompson says, from the blossoms of scribbly gum trees, bees make beautiful tasting honey caramel like flavor. [02:06:56] Speaker B: There you go. [02:06:57] Speaker A: And Phil, Philip says tree bark is very abstract. It is. You see what you want to see. All right, that leaves, I think just myself and Greg. Who do you want to go first, Greg, me or you? [02:07:10] Speaker B: You go first. We'll end on a high note. [02:07:12] Speaker A: Ha ha ha. Thanks. All right, there's a few here, so I'll go through them fast. We don't need to look at them all, but basically these are some of the images that I shot at the rescue comp over the weekend. My job was among getting some shots for a few other products and things was to follow a team they put together. So this was a mine rescue competition. There was 13 teams entered, all the teams working rescue teams from various mines around the country. But one of the teams was a all women's team put together from women from all over the place. And they actually only got two days to train together, whereas the other teams trained together all the time. Because they work together, that's part of their role at their job. So these girls had to figure out how to work together as a team in a very, very short amount of time after meeting each other. And they actually ended up crushing it and doing really well. I think they either came fourth or sixth, I'm not sure. But they won a couple of the scenarios and they did A great job. [02:08:13] Speaker B: Cool. [02:08:14] Speaker A: So this was the fire scenario, obviously. [02:08:20] Speaker C: How close were you allowed to get? Like, in the scenarios? Were you a fair way back? [02:08:24] Speaker A: Yeah, in the fire scenario, I stayed a fair way back. In some of the other ones I got amongst it. You'll see in some of the images. So I had to use a 7200 a little bit. And then I was also using a mixture of wides. I had the 50 on a bit, at the 20 on a bit. Yeah. Them getting in the door of this, basically when. So when this was all closed up, it's like a hot box inside there. And they opened up the little side door and had to put that fire out. Yeah. And. Yeah, you can see the heat coming out of there. [02:08:59] Speaker B: Oh, that's great. [02:09:02] Speaker A: And then that was inside the confined space test. It was pretty dark. [02:09:08] Speaker C: Did you enjoy shooting? [02:09:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, shooting this stuff's awesome. It's like I don't have any control over the situation. They're just doing their thing. I just have to try and document what I can and try and show the team doing their thing. This is the girls with their captain briefing them on one of the next scenarios. This is them trying to get a stretcher off the fourth floor of an old La Trobe University building. It was all held at the La Trobe University in Bendigo, which is pretty cool. Some of the old buildings, they're being demolished, basically. So these guys were just tearing into stuff inside the buildings. That's drilling like drilling rope anchor points into the concrete floor of the. Of the classroom. That's cool. Yeah. Can't really see it through the Internet there, but she was like. They were working hard. [02:10:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Sweat. [02:10:03] Speaker A: Sweat or. [02:10:04] Speaker C: Yeah, [02:10:07] Speaker A: that was inside the confined space. That was like some of these shots at some point. I was shooting it a lot at 12, 800 and some 25, 600, which weren't. Didn't look great. And then I was even pushing the shutter speeds down while I was in here. Some of the shutter speeds were as low as a 50th of a second. Even though there was quite a bit of movement. It was just. It was dark. Yeah. Car crash scenario. Oh. The Jaws Gills girls chopped the door off and the B pillar. They were the first team to do that. All the other teams before that had just tried to work around it, so it was pretty cool. Yeah, they did a great job. [02:10:51] Speaker B: They're amazing. Justin. [02:10:52] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. This is them in the Hazmat scenario. So they had to go full. Full HAZMAT suits look like little jelly beans, like Romping around the. [02:11:04] Speaker C: That would have been hot. [02:11:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that was hot. And then when they come out, part of the Hazmat scenario is you got to wash them down. So it looked like sort of a. Some sort of weird covered type scene or something from China. Remember when that news was coming in where it was like, you're seeing those like clips and stuff and they were getting around in those suits and everyone was like, what the hell? [02:11:25] Speaker B: Yeah, look at them. And then. [02:11:28] Speaker A: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's it. Gummy bears. They look like. So yeah, it was, yeah, it was super fun. Heaps of fun. I use the R5 Mark II and the R6 Mark III, both great cameras. I was shooting video as well. Obviously these are just stills and really enjoyed the black and white. This is their debrief after one of the scenarios with Dan, who's the guy that I do a lot of my work for. He was also their sort of trainer. And then this was their mascot dog, Bear. And Bear is going to be coming in to do a photo shoot very soon. [02:12:12] Speaker B: Oh, really? That's so cool. [02:12:17] Speaker A: Okay, [02:12:19] Speaker B: lots of love in the chat for your, for your images, mate. [02:12:23] Speaker A: Thanks for sitting through that chat. I know I don't show images very often, so when I do I have to show 19 of them. What have you got, Greg? [02:12:34] Speaker B: Another gorgeous golden hour afternoon at Prans Skate and Basketball Park. Just there for a couple of hours, just wandering around shooting people on the, the kind of. The skate park. There was also kids on the half pipe and there was a couple of groups playing basketballs at each end of the court. So yeah, just again, just sort of getting used to this new lens is 2314 and just seeing how it works with a whole bunch of different stuff that I'm shooting and really, really loving the process, to be honest. [02:13:11] Speaker C: And are you approaching anyone or are you just sort of just shooting, just [02:13:14] Speaker B: candid, Just my usual style. I mean, I'll smile to people and. Yeah, and then one of the skaters will come up and ask me what I'm doing and I'll tell my, I'm just a local, I'm just doing some stuff and I'll give them a card, one of my cards and. Yeah, and I tend to do that like the previous one. Do you remember when I first got the lens and I went and did those kids on the, on the, on the big half pipe? [02:13:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:13:35] Speaker B: Their parents were standing around the outside watching and I went up to each of them and introduced myself because I thought I'm photographing your kids. Yeah, they were teenagers Some are little, but I said, I'm just a local. I live around the corner. Here's my card. You know, email me if you want any images. So, yeah, that's kind of the. The extent of me asking permission in most cases. But yeah. Another gorgeous afternoon. Amazing light, deep shadows, lots of really interesting characters. And yeah, just in. Just enjoying the light and saying what I could do with it. [02:14:10] Speaker A: I love the basketball shots and the framing of this one. Yeah. [02:14:16] Speaker B: Because I'd never shot anything like this before. Not basketball, anyway. [02:14:21] Speaker C: This is like a movie. [02:14:23] Speaker B: Just give it a shot. [02:14:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:14:24] Speaker B: If you, if you go back one, this one. I love the. The way that they're lined up like they're all behind one another. It's kind of like a progression. I was looking for those sort of motion kind of opportunities when they were playing, but obviously basketball is very dynamic and it's hard to pick the patterns. [02:14:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You just gotta wait and be ready and get lucky. [02:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But, you know, that's. That's half the fun. [02:14:53] Speaker A: And. [02:14:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And some of these, I just went, oh, wow, I'm just going to turn these into panos. [02:14:57] Speaker A: Yeah, this, I like that crop. [02:14:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:14:59] Speaker B: And these aren't like a set crop. I just. I just played with the crop until [02:15:03] Speaker C: it was just freehanded it. [02:15:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:15:06] Speaker C: Yeah, that's ruthless. [02:15:07] Speaker A: Swinging it crazy. [02:15:09] Speaker B: But again, sort of trying to every shot. I think in this series, again, the only editing I did was I dropped one of my. One of my presets that I've. A Fujifilm simulation that I've then sort of altered a little bit, and a linear gradient filter usually in one of the bottom corners just to sort of. Just to enhance the darkness creeping in, just add a bit more depth. So, yeah, it was fun. It was good. [02:15:39] Speaker A: I have to give you some constructive criticism on this shot, Greg, please. You gotta have the wheels in there. You just gotta. [02:15:47] Speaker C: No, you don't. [02:15:49] Speaker A: You do. [02:15:50] Speaker C: No. We spoke last week. [02:15:52] Speaker A: Huh. [02:15:53] Speaker C: We spoke the other day with Peter [02:15:54] Speaker A: Coulson about not cutting the wheels off a skateboard. [02:15:59] Speaker C: About, you know, it's all about. [02:16:01] Speaker A: I know, fixing it. Well, yeah, we put that in the article that your mistakes might be your style. Yeah, well, but I, as a. As a go on. I just, I just. Because I want to know what color the wheels were on his board. Is it a hoverboard? There's questions unanswered for me. No, Maybe that's the point of the image. [02:16:25] Speaker B: Maybe. And the other thing that I've been doing with these images and the last slot the last slot that I showed you guys is that I've been trying to break some rules. So I've been going with backgrounds tack sharp and foreground people out of focus. I've broken some rules around, you know, cropping, framing, all that sort of stuff. Just sort of just. Yeah. Just exploring what I can do with this lens. [02:16:52] Speaker A: Just not. Yeah, not, not just adhering to what has sort of. [02:16:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:16:58] Speaker A: The standard or whatever, the default. Like that looks good. [02:17:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:17:03] Speaker A: You know, I like this. It's gonna make it bigger on my screen. It's probably. It's a bit hard because of the format. Because it's. Yeah. The subjects are small. [02:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah. If you go into the subjects, [02:17:25] Speaker A: Surprising amount of detail in that crop sensor. [02:17:31] Speaker C: Surprising. Dennis has said rules are just someone else's style. Reading the article right now, Justin. [02:17:38] Speaker A: Gosh, that article caused some. Cause a stir. [02:17:42] Speaker C: That'll have to be a topic. [02:17:44] Speaker A: It might be. We'll see. Okay. I think that's it. [02:17:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's it for now. [02:17:55] Speaker A: Awesome work, Greg. Yeah, I'm, I'm as a few. A lot of people in the chat have been saying the same thing with especially Greg Carrick saying Greg's getting street cred. You definitely are. But yeah, just the style that's evolving. Like, it's big, it's, it's, it's honing in each time. But I love that you still, you're not just trying to then go, okay, that looked good. I'm going to just make all my shots look like that. You were trying to. Still trying to break the rules, but it's evolving towards a very unique style of street photography. A very authentic. What I think is authentic. [02:18:30] Speaker B: That's. Yeah, thank you. That's kind of what I'm looking for. I'm looking for something that's very me, something that I'm comfortable shooting. Like, it's not an effort to, you know, I want it to be a natural process for me. I don't want it to be a chore to try and get these particular style shots. And I. Look, I, I don't want to be a hypocrite because often, you know, I'm the first to say, hey, you don't need a new lens. Just use the one you've got, you know, and then I go and get a new lens and all of a sudden I'm saying, oh, my God, this lens has just made me feel so much different about my photography. And it's, it's interesting, you know, but having said that, I didn't rush out and buy the best Fuji lens from day one. You know, I've stuck with compact, slower primes, slower autofocus and aperture. And, you know, I've gotten to know the system really well over the years. And then finally I had the opportunity to step up financially more than anything and did that. And I feel like I'm now starting to see some of the rewards of that patience. You know, I've stepped up into a higher quality camera and lens because it was timely, especially for the camera. And the lens is proving to be some really good choice. And again, it wasn't like I rushed out and bought every Fuji lens or a set of zooms or a set of primes. I was very deliberate and specific about what I wanted to do with this piece of glass and how I wanted to explore my craft with it. That's why I went with a familiar focal distance that I already have. I just wanted something faster. And it's. It's working for me. So I'm. Yeah, I'm leaning into that. So thank you. [02:20:05] Speaker A: I. I think that's a really good take home. Point to end the podcast on is the fact that you don't need to rush out and buy the best version of any lens. Like, look, Jim's a professional photographer and he's still using the version 1:70 to 200 from Nikon. He hasn't even, you know, they've got a version 2 out. He hasn't run out and bought it. He's still using. [02:20:24] Speaker B: He's not bitter about it. [02:20:25] Speaker A: His version one is almost brand new. So you don't have to. You don't have to run out and buy the latest and greatest. [02:20:32] Speaker B: Someone say, it's mint. [02:20:37] Speaker A: Oh, dear. But it is a good point. It is a good point that you don't need to. You don't need to have the. The latest and greatest, fastest or anything, but once you find a focal length you like or once you know that something's a workhorse lens or you want to try and experiment with something different, you know? Yeah, it's not, it's all. You also don't have to go, well, it's not about the gear, so I shouldn't buy a new lens. You know, like, you can. There's no. [02:21:00] Speaker B: It's okay. [02:21:00] Speaker A: There's no rules. It's okay. [02:21:02] Speaker C: No rules. There is rules, but no rules. [02:21:04] Speaker A: There's no rules. Yeah, but there is rules, but you should break them. [02:21:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Break the rules. [02:21:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:21:10] Speaker A: Okay. [02:21:12] Speaker B: Good advice. [02:21:12] Speaker A: I don't know. Anything else? Anything else, Jimbo, tonight? [02:21:15] Speaker C: No, no, I'LL have some inventions next week, [02:21:20] Speaker B: if you could. Maybe just to help with that new softbox thingy you got maybe some behind the scenes of you using it. [02:21:28] Speaker C: It's. [02:21:29] Speaker A: It's so. [02:21:30] Speaker C: It's so big. I don't know if you guys could. If you saw how big it was before. [02:21:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it's big. We could tell. [02:21:36] Speaker C: It's taking up my whole background. [02:21:38] Speaker A: Bring it around here. We'll set it up in the shed with the, the paper backdrops and just use it as a giant softbox. [02:21:44] Speaker C: That would be good. [02:21:46] Speaker A: It would be good. Okay. Should we call it? [02:21:51] Speaker C: Yeah, we should call it. I need to edit some photos. [02:21:55] Speaker B: Busy, busy, busy. Well, look, thank you, lads, for yet another wonderful night here on the Camera Live podcast. And for those of you watching or listening along at home right now, we do this twice a week. Every Monday evening, 7:30pm we go live and we have our random photography show where we talk about latest news, latest products, we share things that we've been doing, and we also get to look at your images. So if you want to share your images with us and we can show them on the show, please send them to justinuckystraps.com but please also try to include maybe your specs, your camera settings, and a little bit of a story about the image or what you were doing at the time. But please try not to send too many photos because as you saw tonight, we had a lot to go through. [02:22:38] Speaker A: So at some point we're gonna, we're gonna implement a cap at some point. I haven't figured it out yet, but we're gonna bring in some rules if [02:22:44] Speaker B: you people keep pushing the boundaries. And then, of course, course, every Thursday morning, we interview an amazing photographer at 9am Australian Eastern Daylight or standard time here on the Camera Life. And this coming week, we have Craig Wetchen. He is a remarkable photographer. He covers a whole lot of different bases, plus he's a workshop instructor. And we, we got to hang out with Craig at BEFOP last year. We hope to see him again this year. So make sure you dial in for that. And on that note, very quickly, if you're new here, give us a like. It helps us out a lot. And also subscribe because that way you'll get a notification in your time zone as to when we go live twice a week. But that's about it for me. [02:23:24] Speaker C: Hang on. Before we end, Felicity Johnson, you just let me know. Give me a call. [02:23:31] Speaker A: I'm looking. She says she's looking at buying a Nikon Z7200 version 1 at the moment because I can't afford the latest. You might be able to get a very good deal. Yeah, look at that. Is it. [02:23:46] Speaker B: Have you. [02:23:47] Speaker A: So you haven't had it out of the box? [02:23:49] Speaker B: No. [02:23:50] Speaker A: All right, talk to Jim. Felicity. This might be a deal in the making. [02:23:53] Speaker B: He's around the corner from your Felicity. So you don't have to pay for shipping. It's a trusted source. [02:23:58] Speaker A: You can test there. Look at that. It's all still in the plastic. [02:24:02] Speaker B: Nice. [02:24:02] Speaker A: All right, guys. Well, that's easy. [02:24:04] Speaker B: Thank you, Jim. [02:24:05] Speaker C: Thank you. [02:24:06] Speaker A: All right, I'm gonna press play and read some comments. Tweak Production says a cap on images and a theme would be cool. I think that's how we got it. We're gonna head towards a theme. We might do some themes. And then once a month we'll do just like a free for all week where you can just send in whatever you want. I think that'd be fun. [02:24:24] Speaker C: I got an idea. If you're. If you're a member, you can send in extra images. [02:24:30] Speaker A: Okay. Jim. Trying to the membership and then there's the member can happy is that idea. It could be fun. Bruce Boyle says nice work everyone. Thanks for another great show. Pity about the caller in. Probably put him. Put him on the block list on the phone. Regardless, fun night. Gosh, we're going to run out of music. Tweak also said. Thank goodness I can stop walking now. Don't recommend the camera life workout. My feet and hips hurt. Great show. Great images. Thanks to everyone else. Thanks. Dennis Smith, David Skinner. Greg Carrick. He says smash that like button somewhere. Phil Thompson. Thank you. Who else? Greg Stubbings. Rules are written for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise people. Nev Clark. Thanks. Jason Rogers. Thanks everyone else. That I haven't said thanks. I don't know. The music's over. Rodney Nicholson. Who else? Stop. Okay, goodbye. [02:25:36] Speaker B: Bye, everyone. Be safe.