EP98 Sony RX1R iii Surprise Release (compared to Q3, GFX100RF, X100VI)

[00:00:15] Speaker A: Well did someone say sony that's right. [00:00:21] Speaker B: The sneak attack the surprise attack from sony just when you thought there would be no more really expensive point and shoots released in twenty twenty five sony. [00:00:30] Speaker A: Come out of nowhere out of nowhere out of nowhere we've been talking about point and shoots for months because we've had some crackers we've had some disappointments we're seeing more and more in this market and sony just changed the game i would have to say or did. [00:00:48] Speaker B: That did they wait too long i. [00:00:52] Speaker A: Don'T know i don't know because you. [00:00:55] Speaker B: Know what's interesting about this is it's not the typical like obviously it is a surprise this come out of nowhere even to the big news sites like us no i'm kidding big news sites like petapixel they didn't have they didn't have one of these cameras to test beforehand and it sounds like unless they're being tricky they didn't even have you know a press release prior to the world knowing about it so it's quite an interesting strategy well i don't know. [00:01:20] Speaker A: If it's a strategy or if they just proved to be better at containing leaks than others you know these days we are seeing leaks drop on everything before they come out you know we knew what the xc five the the what was the x half or the half x we knew what that was going to look like we knew what the gfx was going to look like before it dropped you know we're seeing a lot of leaks and and leaked spec sheets and you know so i think sony's got a tighter lid on. [00:01:47] Speaker B: Things i disagree i disagree i've actually this was rumored it was rumored it was coming before i bring that up i'm just going to say hello to philip johnson because he's a legend hey hey philip philip says did someone say sony how did that happen morning gents morning ian thompson good morning paul he says hey that youtube alert thingy works yes what do we tell you if you hit the bell the notification bell it'll just tell you when we go live that way when we do these random shows when cameras get released you'll know about it so do that if you've got a chance right now please do the notification thingy on youtube i'm going to bring this up this is the rumor that was out prior to the leak we can see prior to the sorry the release this is on photo rumors rx one r three camera rumors improved operations four k video updated evf this was published on april tenth twenty seventeen so that's just a guess they knew this was coming eight years ago which is pretty amazing but look. [00:02:56] Speaker A: In eight years ago any idiot could. [00:02:58] Speaker B: Have said oh it's going to have. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Four k video of course it's going to have four k video it's going to have better operations what does better. [00:03:03] Speaker B: Operations mean i mean did they improve the evf well we'll have a look we'll get into it we'll have a look but anyway i thought that was interesting because i was like i wanted to see were there any rumors floating around before this and this was one of the first ones that popped up and i was like wow twenty seventeen ahead of the game quite quite early on the release of this camera anyway for those of you that aren't aware the the previous rx one mark two come out in october november twenty fifteen so almost a decade ago this this is the update and i guess actually should we talk a little bit about greg do you want to give people a quick rundown on like what is the rx one r series if you. [00:03:45] Speaker A: People don't know the rx one r series is sony's full frame compact fixed lens powerhouse system it always had a bit of a niche cult following it was great for street it was kind of a photojournalist it was also a great travel camera because it was kind of like a bit like when you know justin went to america was that last year yeah may last year you know you look you took you like a q three which is a compact fixed lens full frame camera so this is sony re entering this market after a decade keeping in mind that sony have had other compacts they've had their what is it the rx one hundred mark vii is the latest is it the rx camera yeah but that was. [00:04:31] Speaker B: Like that was a ton smaller smaller sensor more of a a true point pocketable point and shoot a true yeah. [00:04:37] Speaker A: But impressive nonetheless and that was their mark vii that was a good seller but that's getting old too. [00:04:44] Speaker B: That was twenty nineteen yeah so that's so sony. [00:04:48] Speaker A: You'Ve held off on on this space and i think i mean we'll get into the into the ins and outs of it in a bit more detail but you know this camera is i think sony's shot across the bow to fujifilm maybe leica to a degree but especially the fujifilm x one hundred and the gfx one hundred series it kind of sits in the middle middle of that kind of that field give or take closer to the gfx obviously well. [00:05:16] Speaker B: Price wise it's essentially the same as the six thousand one hundred rf so that's very interesting yeah that's a that's a big thing to take a bite at you know like that that fujifilm of didn't iterate up to that level of camera until six versions of the x one hundred and then they were like all right let's have a crack at sort of like a dollars you know in a point and shoot and sony yeah i don't know so interesting fun fact the leica q was released in june twenty fifteen so it was released a few months before the second version of the rx one r so the rx one r mark two so sony was quite ahead of leica in terms of the original rx one r producing a full frame fixed lens high quality point and shoot camera yeah only to then essentially disband it as leica's you know disband that series stop iterating on it as leica built in in that time leica built the q series to being one of the most well known high quality point and shoot cameras that there is you know every time a q gets released the internet explodes. [00:06:27] Speaker A: So so it makes me wonder you know was sony playing a cautious game or were they intentionally playing a long game you know that they weren't quite ready to drop the mark iii of this rx one r in twenty seventeen anyway and you know and they've just been watching the market and they're going you know what actually fujifilm are going to start stealing some of their market share with some of these things the leica q three is probably already stolen a bunch of market share but i don't know how how good a seller the the original rx one r and the mark two were or whether they. [00:06:58] Speaker B: Were slow it obviously wasn't a massive seller otherwise they probably would have kept on that series they probably were seeing massive uptake of their cameras for hybrid photo video and video and they probably just pushed r and d and probably correctly you know like you could look at this negatively and say well they could have been so much further along with this series could have been a great seller for them but you know like the leaps and bounds they've made in the video world you know in their in their just general alpha series cameras maybe maybe that r d was rightly diverted to that yeah world so i don't know it's hard it's hard to know just quickly so lim two thousand one burger says hello gents hello lim two thousand one burger if you are if you are new here this is what we do we go live so that you can comment and ask questions or just ultimately give your opinion on this new camera so we want to hear from you if you're listening live if you're listening back later then well you missed out but jump on the next one but still enjoy the. [00:08:03] Speaker A: Show and where are you where are you watching us from let us know and what do you shoot are you a sony shooter do you like this. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Camera do you hate this camera are you interested in buying it paul says wasn't able to listen live to the whole monday night episode but just caught up justin it looks like i'll be doing a geology photography and whiskey tour around the new zealand south island about a week before you damn it paul what when do you leave versus when do i get there we might be able to cross paths briefly but you'll have to give me maybe give me some tips if possible as to must see locations because we've got two and a half weeks in a camper to go wherever we want so i like. [00:08:42] Speaker A: That combo though geography photography whiskey yeah yeah very cool my name's patrick sorry. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Patrick is easier to say patrick easier to say than your username okay patrick lim two thousand one burger watching from sydney great to have you here and the question please the question was did the rx one r mark ii have reliability issues don't know why they had such a big gap not not that i know of did you hear about anything like that no i don't think. [00:09:14] Speaker A: It had reliability issues i think the biggest issue with it was that it was kind of ahead of its time a little bit you know it was a compact big sensor camera that you know took massive files and i don't i it was kind of a bit of a revolutionary kind of entry in the marketplace because no one was really doing that effectively obviously we talked about that with the leica and fujifilm already had their x one hundreds but they were aps c and they were much smaller you know megapixel density and performance and things like that and price the. [00:09:49] Speaker B: The rx one the rx one and rx one mark ii they were a lot they were nowhere near in the price range of like a leica q but they were definitely expensive yeah compared to an x one hundred at the time from what i remember yeah and. [00:10:04] Speaker A: It just i think back then people felt like you know that it was just too powerful for a point and shoot people just didn't understand it and i think the same will happen with this one especially when you look at the price and we'll get to price a little bit later but you know let's let's just talk about some of the basic specs yeah well before you. [00:10:22] Speaker B: Do that can we i just want to bring up nev clark's comments good to have you here nev hey nev nev's a die hard fuji man but has recently been expressing a lot of interest about this style of camera including a q three and he says i don't understand this camera at all i really don't i just don't and i know they're coming hang on coming from a fuji user that's kind of like saying you don't under understand pancakes with barbecue sauce on them okay i don't know if i understand that comment exactly in a similar way to you not understanding the camera but in terms i think i get what you're saying which is you don't think that the combination of specs and everything and price fits the intended market i don't know which. [00:11:11] Speaker A: Is what people thought about the gfx one hundred rf hang on that doesn't make sense yeah let me just speaking of specs let me just get some specs out of the way so sony electronics incorporated have announced the rx one har mark three rx one r one mark three it's hard to say third gen it's a sixty one megapixel thirty five millimeter full frame x more r cmos image sensor so it's you know it's it's got some grunt it's got the latest bions bion's xr image processing engine and the fixed lens is a zeiss sonar t thirty five f two full frame lens the original lens of. [00:11:53] Speaker B: The original rx one r and and rx one r mark two they don't roll off the tongue we need to abbreviate them we'll just call them the r two like a pirate pirate camera yeah yeah so the original lens the sensor out of the a seven r mark four and five which is an amazing sensor probably the sense a similar sensor that's in the leica q three and the m eleven i think sixty megapixel sony built sensor fairly sure sounds. [00:12:23] Speaker A: Like it might be you know while they're in a factory just put one in a in a leica box put one in a sony box so old. [00:12:29] Speaker B: Sensor but amazing sensor it's it's you know while that's been out for a few a few years now it's perfect for this camera in terms of if you want epic quality there's no no shortcomings in the sensor other than for video work it does have rolling shutter issues and stuff like that but in terms of just high quality imagery that could rival the gfx one hundred rf but in a in a slightly less you know not one hundred megapixels but sixty it's it's up there in image quality it's about as good as you can get in full frame these days. [00:13:03] Speaker A: But it doesn't have it doesn't have ibis oh no yeah what are they gonna do well i'm not really sure to be honest it does have a crop shooting mode they call it step crop shooting which will deliver thirty five mil which is its n focal range at fifty mil and a seventy mil and you can do that via an assigned button or you can you know customize it what else can we get also has kind of a slight magnification it's a zero point two six magnification with a twenty centimeter minimal focus distance similar to the q three i guess in that respect that it kind of has a macro mode yeah q three. [00:13:44] Speaker B: Has an actual yeah it's a manually engaged macro mode that moves some elements in the the lens itself to get very close it works well well that's. [00:13:54] Speaker A: Good and an interesting thing that i saw in the in the promo video that i watched this morning was that they are adding i think they're adding like twelve creative they call them creative looks which is isn't that what leica calls them they have leica looks like. [00:14:07] Speaker B: They'Re just called leica looks and and essentially they're they're both in a similar vein to the fuji film simulations yeah. [00:14:16] Speaker A: So this has got it too okay so this has got a whole bunch of film sims including like polaroid and film and so people are seeing the i guess brands have seen that you know fuji are doing well with their film sims i mean they're making it a dedicated dial on most of their entry level cameras now because it's appealing to people it's people that are used to smartphone shooting where you can apply filters in instagram or other apps you can just do this in camera so which is great it's a slick looking thing the evf is is a two point three six million dot xga oled so good contrast nice resolution it's not it's not an astounding evf in terms of megapixel resolution but it's okay it's. [00:15:02] Speaker B: Pretty i think it's pretty average compared to the competition from what i can tell yeah compared to the q three and the gfx i think it's it's i can't remember i need to double check my before i throw stones but. [00:15:13] Speaker A: I'M pretty sure the battery three hundred. [00:15:16] Speaker B: Shot life it's not a lot no it's hard to know with those things too i can't remember what what the others are rated to my like my q three i can't remember what it's rated to it gets pretty good yeah range but it's also so that that battery thing though like it's a very small body the rx one r is a very compact camera the lens let me give you some very small body. [00:15:40] Speaker A: Let me tell you how big it is because it's yeah it's tiny and when you think what they've packed into it pretty impressive so it is for our what do we use we don't use imperial we use metric for our metric friends it's one hundred thirteen by sixty seven by eighty seven mils for our for our imperial friends is four point five by two point seven by three point four inches so it's really compact in terms of weight with the with the battery and an sd card it's four hundred and ninety eight grams or one point one pounds so it's really compact it's really lightweight the lens does protrude a bit and you can actually opt to buy sony are also selling it separately which i think they should always include it but lens hood. [00:16:29] Speaker B: Yeah so this it's funking expensive as. [00:16:33] Speaker A: Well so there's three accessories that sony are promoing with this with this release and it reminds me of the release of i don't know if leica did this but when they released the fujifilm xe four i've always talked about how they released a fuji made thumb grip and a fuji made base plate that had a grip at the front so you can improve your ergonomics they're doing the same thing here but the pricing is crazy so the tg two that's a dedicated thumb grip that attaches into the hot shoe that's all it is it's a alloy thumb grip the alloy thumb grip is three hundred us dollars. [00:17:08] Speaker B: For for a thumb grip that's good that's dearer than the leica thumb grip yep which is lycotanium there's a lycotinium. [00:17:20] Speaker A: They found that in wakanda too there's also a compact body case dedicated the camera model the body case is what is it that's another two hundred fifty and then there's a lens hood which again is a must robust construction a high strength aluminum material and that is two hundred dollars is it no it's also two yeah two hundred us yeah so you know should we talk about the price while we're talking numbers i. [00:17:50] Speaker B: Think we should and then we'll talk about the price we'll jump to some comments and then we'll dig deeper into some of the yeah what we yeah what we see as being the pros and cons of this particular camera and how it's going to sit in the market against these other beasts that have been dominating the category let me share. [00:18:05] Speaker A: My screen okay so i always find this a bit easier to have graphics here we go this is the brand new sony rx one r mark iii estimated shipping the end of this month. [00:18:16] Speaker B: Just pretty quick it's interesting so the estimated shipping end of this month but again we didn't see any you know you normally see the six hundred most popular youtubers are all have their videos go out exactly at the same time. [00:18:29] Speaker A: On a day peter pixel with an. [00:18:31] Speaker B: Actual review with a review hands on and they said they said we have not had our hands on this camera we expect one to be arriving very. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Soon no there's very few videos on youtube yeah very interesting kind of influences. [00:18:44] Speaker B: I think so there was i didn't even see any there was there some. [00:18:47] Speaker A: I think there were ones that sony made where people are talking yeah yeah. [00:18:51] Speaker B: Exactly not a usual crew they haven't sent it out to anyone okay all. [00:18:56] Speaker A: Right let's have a look at this screen all right so here it is here the rx one r so this is us dollars this is b and h b and h is a good point of reference because they stock everything literally everything so five thousand ninety eight us dollars which we're not going to do a straight equivalent to australian dollars because of tariffs and stuff pricing is all over the shop so there's no point doing like oh it's going to cost this much in australian dollars because that's not going to be accurate and we would be doing you a disservice but so the rx one r is five thousand and ninety eight let's have a look at the gfx so the gfx is only a couple of hundred bucks less okay and that's a that's medium format or larger format one hundred. [00:19:40] Speaker B: Two megapixel yeah and essentially at the yes close enough because different companies have different ways they set up their pricing and all that kind of stuff but with it's going to be within that exact same ballpark and that price in australia is eight thousand seven hundred and ninety nine for a gfx one hundred. [00:19:57] Speaker A: Rf so here we have the ted site which is an australian site pretty mid range pricing. [00:20:05] Speaker B: Yeah well i was also looking at on fujifilm house of photography so they're they're like in house brand and that's they've got it at that same eight thousand seven hundred ninety nine yeah a couple of people have it one hundred bucks off but that's about the best you'll get a deal on these at the moment so in. [00:20:19] Speaker A: Australia we're looking at it's going to be somewhere between eight and a half and nine yeah just for the camera interestingly the gfx does come with a metal hood a square like two hoods yeah included in that pricing so you're forking out quite a lot extra you know if you get all three of those accessories if you like me and you like to kit up your camera what do i call it pimp your camera you know you're looking at an extra sort of eight hundred bucks on top of the us us it'll be. [00:20:49] Speaker B: It'Ll be over over ten grand if you want the whole kick the extras for the whole kit then you're gonna need paul says au seven thousand eight hundred seven where'd you see that paul where did you see it that sounds cheap or has you just done a conversion off the us pricing because their pricing is also pre tax pre state tax usually yeah whereas our pricing includes gst away so that can be a difference so i'd be interested paul is that a conversion or did you have you found it somewhere because that would be that would be cheaper it'd be a thousand bucks cheaper than our estimates. [00:21:23] Speaker A: So yeah it's interesting pricing let me just look at quickly at the q three price at the moment in the us just because that is i think that's worth comparing it to yeah come on keyboard you can do it like q three we'll just go for the stock q three so that's sixty seven so the q three sixty seven thirty five that's come down a bit because obviously when it came out it was a lot more and it has dropped. [00:21:47] Speaker B: A little bit in in the us you mean no so so sixty seven thirty five us in australia the q three is still similar to what it was i think which was about eleven just under yeah okay let me just check so ten nine ninety that's that's the price that it's been oh hang. [00:22:05] Speaker A: On oh it hasn't come down no. [00:22:07] Speaker B: They'Ve got it on sale at diamonds though for a for nine eight nine zero that's the only that's one of the few times i've seen okay on a deal so so yeah maybe it's hard to know maybe it has come down a touch if there's a deal floating around yeah and it depends on. [00:22:23] Speaker A: Where you shop and you shop and all that sort of stuff paul just. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Converted it from the us five k yeah i think once you add our ten gst and then whether there's any additional costs going through like the australian distribution system it's going to get in out of those warehouses that's expensive yeah i don't know i would be i don't know what do you reckon greg would you be pretty confident that it's going to come in at close to that gfx one hundred rf price yeah. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Because sony cameras are more expensive in general anyway they're a little bit more pricey than say you know a fuji but you are you are buying premium you know sony make most of the sensors for most of the cameras we shoot with so their sensor technology is supreme their autofocus performance is really hard to beat in specific scenarios canon canon r series have stolen back some of that autofocus glory especially like with the r five mark ii and you know canada can confidently say our autofocus performance is you know class leading but sony have been able to say that for. [00:23:29] Speaker B: A lot longer i think i disagree i just think maybe not mirrorless but i would argue that canon were still dil they were beating them in terms of autofocus in dslrs in the pro level while sony but sony was making big strides in the mirrorless game and then canon was late to that party with a substandard autofocus for a few years until they actually got to the yeah yeah got to the do agree with me is what you're saying nuanced agreement asterisks let's get to some comments a couple of quick ones lim two thousand one burger otherwise known as patrick says was interested in the mark three until i saw the price the recent high prices with new camera releases is certainly helping to curb my gas i saw some other price comments too before i hang on let's go to i want to read john pickett's comment where is john john john john pickett the fuji gfx one hundred rf still looks better for the price medium format high megapixel better evf and a flippy screen that's right this thing doesn't have a screen it's like straight out of twenty fifteen oh wait a minute not like these are designed to be sports cameras so autofocus isn't a big deal in my opinion agree but i would prefer i would like faster autofocus on my q three i really would that that holds me back a little nev clark says all i'm saying guys is i just don't understand why you would do this camera yeah it's it is really small and i think that's hard without having it in i remember the original one i've seen it in stores in i've had my hands on it in japanese camera stores and it's it's markedly smaller than the q three i don't think that's a benefit to me personally that the q three is well and truly small enough i think until you because that's the thing until it's thin enough to go in a pocket like the ricoh gr three everything's a three yeah until it's thin enough to go in a pocket it doesn't make a big difference that it's you know slightly smaller in my opinion it's and because there's pros and cons to that too like the q three feels great in my hands i don't know if this would because it felt quite fiddly when i held the rx one r mark two it's quite a small camera to. [00:26:02] Speaker A: Hold small buttons and it's interesting that sony have decided to beef it up a little with these accessories granted at a significant cost but small rig and lens made online they'll all make third. [00:26:14] Speaker B: Party i don't think that strategy was about beefing up the camera i think that strategy was like everyone else seems to be making great money out of accessories oh yeah there's that too don't. [00:26:25] Speaker A: Get me wrong they wouldn't do it if they weren't making a buck out of it i get that and you know and with these prices they're making more than a buck but you know it's interesting that these brands like when they did the xe four they went oh actually the ergonomics isn't great so we're going to offer you at an extra cost a thumb grip and a base plate with a grip on it but it is small the buttons are fiddly but it is a good looking camera i gotta say you know it's clean it's neat you know this top plate's really minimal it's got i don't know about i don't know about a. [00:27:03] Speaker B: Mode a mode dial on a nine thousand dollars camera when you could have a more useful dial for a manual shooter like who who needs quick access to their modes i don't know yeah. [00:27:14] Speaker A: Am i wrong there new systems are pretty shit so what they are they're complex they're very stuff so having access to a mode switch might be actually. [00:27:24] Speaker B: A saving grace true i just think i i just think you know when you've got very limited manual inputs a mode switch that you know if you shoot manual only a mode switch is a waste of time yeah it's a waste of space maybe you can customize it i don't know it's got all those icons on it so that doesn't really make a lot of sense so you've basically got an exposure compensation dial and i've got an mode dial so they've wedged a little that looks busy. [00:27:52] Speaker A: It looks awkward i wonder where the. [00:27:54] Speaker B: Thumb grip goes there so it goes in here it must i know but where does it you know you've got three dials and a menu but that's cluttered that's i know it's a small camera i don't know let me it. [00:28:05] Speaker A: Would have to that's weird anyway stop. [00:28:09] Speaker B: Throwing rocks at them i'm not trying to be mean i just i don't. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Know no it's when you're asking this much money it's got to make sense yeah you know if it doesn't make sense to you then it's not for you that's you know that's yeah couple. [00:28:25] Speaker B: More comments where are we this is interesting sony is doing a toyota lexus i don't know like as in having a higher priced they're you know trying to introduce a premium brand but they haven't introduced any kind of branding with this they haven't sort of called it some sort of specific more emotive or fancy line sony gold or something yeah some sort of fancy thing so i don't know about that and i guess if a company could pull it off it would be fuji and sony sony doesn't have a lot of in my opinion fuji's got quite quite an appeal quite a brand identity sony's brand identity for me and maybe it's because of when i grew up is like tv's and you know they make cameras cast areas don't get me wrong they do make great cameras but you know and you could say canon make great fax machines but i don't know it's just spending that much money on a on a point and shoot camera is harder for me for sony than something like fujifilm or especially leica because leica's got that you know look at me i'm cool i have a leica thing about. [00:29:48] Speaker A: It but i from my memory the original rx one r and the mark two they were both kind of outliers like they weren't they weren't you know they weren't sort of part of the alpha interchangeable lens and they weren't part of that the rx one hundreds one to sevens they always sort of set apart primarily because they were so high specced and like i said i think ahead of their time in that regards but also the pricing they've always been felt like out of reach to me but. [00:30:20] Speaker B: But yeah yeah it's i don't know it's very interesting a couple of other interesting comments obviously yes it's it's the same lens where are we jason very interesting they've decided that with that lens over a decade old that can handle the higher resolution you know what's interesting everyone said that about the leica twenty eight mil with the q three they said hang on a minute this is the same twenty eight mil lens that was originally introduced in the queue that was like twenty four megapixels we're gonna see this lens not rendering enough for this they should have updated it then they brought it out and everyone said fuck that looks awesome and it wasn't an issue and this could very much be the same thing i feel like sony probably quickly checked before they released this that the images look okay but i think there's been some comments about the fact that the lens jason says the zeiss lens had nice rendering but i think there were some comments about it being slow to focus which is my concern the lens holding up the focus sony's epic updated algorithm that i'm sure will be great and the process will be great but can the lens move fast enough yeah so you're. [00:31:40] Speaker A: Concerned about that yeah i'm concerned about that and you know we saw it with the x one hundred from fuji when they finally i think it was with the version four they upgraded to a mark ii lens because the the original twenty three f two lens was just starting to get a bit slow on like the x one hundred mark iii and and then so they introduced a new lens which i think is. [00:32:00] Speaker B: Sensible jason morris in the chat hopefully jason i'll get to see you at frame fest this weekend all honesty i think sony got a bit arrogant and forgot to innovate and move with the times earlier yeah highly possible but do you think maybe they just redirected their resources more towards video video creators and saw this line as something that they they maybe incorrectly predicted that this line would not grow and that maybe it was dying and they just didn't i don't know didn't stay with it it's hard to know but i do agree they were having a lot of success during those times. [00:32:43] Speaker A: Yeah it is interesting. [00:32:46] Speaker B: How much for an a seven cr and a forty mil prime a lot less than this but it would be a much bigger camera not much bigger but bigger camera get the benefit of changing lenses get the benefit of ibis which is quite wonderful in my opinion that's the other thing leica's got optical image stabilization this doesn't this does this has no image stabilization has digital stabilization for video modes only i think greg discovered yep so yeah so an a. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Seven cr what's on sale at the moment but it's about three thousand two hundred so you know it's already significantly. [00:33:28] Speaker B: If you were looking practically you know you could you could build a nice little camera kit with the a seven cr oh yeah for this kind of price so practically that's a way better option you know and then you've got choice you've got flexibility but this isn't a practical camera unless you love thirty five mil it's the only focal length you want to shoot let's talk should we talk focal length because you love the thirty five mil focal length but would you be happy with that to be stuck with that for nine thousand dollars i think it's too too narrow. [00:34:08] Speaker A: No but you've got a digital you've. [00:34:10] Speaker B: Got a digital crop that makes it narrower but yes sony have jumped on the digital crop i don't like with. [00:34:19] Speaker A: The one hundred r f the gfx you're not buying this for that level of flexibility but you're buying this it's. [00:34:27] Speaker B: Got a twenty eight it's just that little bit wider that you can capture more of a scene and then you can crop in if you need and i'm just worried that a thirty five is it's you know it's it's coming in fairly tight for a fixed camera you know so you can't go wider you can always crop in a little bit with sixty megapixels would they have been better off redeveloping it yeah maybe. [00:34:50] Speaker A: Putting starting at like twenty eight and then cropping in seems to be the. [00:34:54] Speaker B: Sweet spot for the other brands but also this gives it a point of. [00:34:56] Speaker A: Difference it does give it and it's it's in keeping you know and then they don't have to reinvent the lens like they've got a lens that they know already works pretty well and obviously i'm sure they've tested the shit out of it to make sure that it actually will work with this processor and sensor and the focus algorithms you'd hope it performs at that level for that price yeah i think it's like i said it's like with the gfx and the and the and the fuji granted the the fuji x one hundreds there are thirty five f two it seems to be kind of a bit of a go to there's there's obviously a bit of a throwback to film cameras often having a fixed thirty five mil lens of some sort you know and fuji have been rocking the x one hundred for almost a decade no more than a decade i think anyway yeah i think it's been more than a decade now so and that's with the thirty five f two that hasn't changed so i think people want it whether it's the most practical or not well that's you know but i i guess with with a camera like the with a thirty five f two fixed lens you're covering most genres that everyday people can shoot this is true you know and i think they're trying to they're trying to harvest a bit more of the travel crowd the edc carry crowd people that want a slick looking camera in their kit you know in their bellroy backpack or or whatever it may be that's who this is appealing to this is an edc delight this camera an edc for those that uninitiated is everyday carry i'm a big fan i love everyday carry items you know and people like compact do it all cameras for that sort of purpose which is why the x one hundred mark vi took off and the five took off so much when it did because no one else is really offering anything at that level and influences tick tock well yeah and the influencers loved it and so they flogged the crap out of it people wanted one because it looked good it took great images it had fujifilm color all that sort of stuff so i think that this is what sony is trying to capture a little bit of that market it's interesting because. [00:37:13] Speaker B: Though because it's like that the five and the six that that's when that range like it really come into its own as a solid mature camera offering that was it was extremely good the early ones were great too don't get me wrong but like it was refined by that point so that when someone on tiktok says hey this is the best camera ever i don't imagine many people bought them and were disappointed with them you know like because by the. [00:37:39] Speaker A: Time you got to the five and the six yeah fuji had refined their focus performance they'd refined their processor and their sensor technology they had ibis and it had ibis in the six so in in a like flag flagship performance and features and specs in yeah an edc carry camera like you know edc. [00:37:58] Speaker B: Camera yeah do you think okay so let's talk about something else no flippy screen but they've changed it to a fixed evf because the the old one was like a pop up evf or something wasn't it that's right so it's a fixed evf which i think is much better it's going to be more solid it's crappy avf based on the specs it's not a great evf but no flippy screen either fixed screen on the back which is like even the bloody leica's got a flippy screen now and they were one of the last holdouts for that kind of tech do you think that's a problem i do. [00:38:38] Speaker A: For that no one no one's asking no one's asking for fixed screens anymore no like you know we talk a lot of flippy screen i i yeah i don't like those articulating ones that come out to the side of the. [00:38:49] Speaker B: Camera and then you wouldn't do that. [00:38:51] Speaker A: On this camera no you would no that would ruin it yeah just flip up even if it only flipped up forty five degrees it would give you a little bit of flexibility in shooting from lower if you're shooting if you if you've got a perfect composition but you've got light hitting that screen you just flip it up a little bit to get the glare off it so you can compose your shot you know but not being able to do that it does limit it what did we say the resolution was on the screen. [00:39:18] Speaker B: The screen's actually quite good i think it's two point seven million i think the screen is quite two point four. [00:39:27] Speaker A: Million interface why are you looking that. [00:39:30] Speaker B: Up jason says mach one had an add on evf the mark two had a pop up evf that's right pop ups very cool but obviously that's complicated to engineer and i think it's a potential point of failure long term yeah. [00:39:45] Speaker A: But yeah pop up flashes are the same in my opinion it's just waiting to get to go wrong you know they use a spring and yeah i'm. [00:39:53] Speaker B: Glad that they went this direction because i also think an add on evf is something people don't want to pay for and yeah this is a great point here this one will probably have much better eye relief on the evf than the pop up and that's essentially if anyone doesn't know eye relief is kind of like i don't know my q three s in the other room it's how much it kind of sticks out from the camera and it makes it comfortable to get the eye cup close to your eye to block out distractions and light so you can without. [00:40:21] Speaker A: Having to sort of smush your face into it to create that kind of that vacuum of light it's a two point three five nine million dot screen so that's actually really good that's quite. [00:40:32] Speaker B: Bright and punchy yeah good back screen probably had to compromise on the evf i'm guessing just to fit it in. [00:40:38] Speaker A: There well it's the same resolution so that's good often one suffers over the other i know it's not the evf's not great resolution but they're the same at least but the lack of a flippy screen i think is a mistake. [00:40:50] Speaker B: It'S it's half the half the resolution of the q three evf yeah so that's literally half it's a lot but it is a it's a smaller body camera it's a smaller camera so that i'm sure they had to make compromises to fit it all into that body whether that was the right choice i don't know maybe it should have been a bigger body that's a point that. [00:41:08] Speaker A: We would need to talk about because we felt you know when when we talked about the gfx one hundred rf there was these thought you know this camp that said oh it's it's it's missing stuff it's only this lens and it doesn't have ibis and it doesn't it's only an f four wasn't it an f four lens fixed lens it. [00:41:26] Speaker B: Is only an f four and it. [00:41:28] Speaker A: Does have yeah so yeah so all of the thirty five f four which is a twenty eight millimeter full frame equivalent on that gfx you know and people are like well it feels like they've made compromises and my answer to those critics is that yeah they have and yes that's disappointing but it's either that or you pay for a fourteen thousand dollar camera instead of a ten thousand dollar camera potentially that that would be the the trade off is that you're going to have to pay for it you know i think the other thing that we're we lose track of is that people often compare the price of new products today to products that came up like this well before COVID post covid everything went up in price and shipping especially became more expensive for a lot of companies and you know now we've got tariffs and all these other issues going on in the world that are impacting prices the cost of this camera say compared to the mark ii may feel significantly bigger but you know we've got the it's been a lot of time has passed there's so. [00:42:32] Speaker B: Much that but comparing it to what else is on the market yeah is is what people are going to do and they're going to be comparing it squarely with the gfx one hundred rf the leica q three and ultimately probably the x one hundred at a far cheaper option that delivers very very close i know there is a big difference between full frame i agree too but. [00:42:58] Speaker A: But it's a fixed lens so it's not like you can you're not really going to optimize that sensor by dropping on a one point two and f one point two lens you know what i mean like. [00:43:08] Speaker B: Yeah i just mean more so like the market's going to decide yes obviously it's dearer than the rx one mark two they've jumped the rx one r they've jumped it up a lot in price more than what inflation and tariffs and stuff would equate to they've they've pushed it into a pricing point where they've probably just looked at the rest of the market we think we can compete here but to compete there i don't know it needs to be good because there are some sony fanboys but i don't think a lot of people are just going to buy it because it's sony yeah maybe i'm wrong any sony people out there want to comment is this something where you just see it and you're like i wouldn't even consider the other options because i'm sony that's what i shoot. [00:43:49] Speaker A: And i've been waiting for a better compact fixed lens camera not a point and shoot necessarily in the more of a compact full frame camera so patrick's. [00:44:00] Speaker B: Got to go bye patrick thanks for. [00:44:02] Speaker A: Joining thanks for dropping in come back. [00:44:04] Speaker B: See you next time what was i gonna say the you know what else is interesting i should go and get my q three so we can talk about it but they haven't advertised weather. [00:44:14] Speaker A: Ceiling no i noticed that. [00:44:20] Speaker B: I don't know which is interesting i'm seeing it somewhere but no i wouldn't trust that website i haven't seen on any of the on any of the websites i've got a team about yeah timu advertises weather sealing so i don't know that's another issue is the gfx one hundred rf weather sealed. [00:44:38] Speaker A: That'S a good question. [00:44:39] Speaker B: The q three most certainly is and i've tested it and it handled it. [00:44:42] Speaker A: All great question i can't i can't remember let's have a look my computer keeps going to sleep my keyboard weather yeah weather resistance once the included adapter ring and filter applied to the lens. [00:45:01] Speaker B: Oh that that was the yeah that. [00:45:03] Speaker A: Was right that's the caveat which is like the x one hundred mark vi weather sealed provided you put on fujifilm's lens mount adapter and lens ring adapter and filter filter yeah okay unfortunately with the gfx it comes with that in the kit to do it so it's not like you have to buy more stuff to make it weather sealed this time it's actually in the box i'm. [00:45:27] Speaker B: Seeing here that the so yeah not advertised as being weather sealed despite it having a magnesium alloy body but we might see more about that. [00:45:37] Speaker A: Yeah you. [00:45:37] Speaker B: Know we might i don't know details come out but the i don't think. [00:45:41] Speaker A: So because the b and h site's pretty thorough like it's got a comprehensive. [00:45:45] Speaker B: Spec list but maybe they haven't i don't know maybe they're going to release more later or something but the rx one r apparently had some issues with dust and moisture intrusion particularly around the lens and sensor so there's a risk. [00:45:58] Speaker A: With fixed lens cameras you know that if you get you know if you get dust in there it's a fucker to fix. [00:46:11] Speaker B: If this is true i don't remember this jason says i recall zeiss tried to make a similar camera the zx one that had a built in hard drive and onboard lightroom took forever to come to the market never took off i don't remember that did that really happen they have like a fold out keyboard like a like a. [00:46:30] Speaker A: What were those blueberries didn't the blueberries sometimes had a little blackberries blackberry what did i say blueberries sorry what is it the zeiss zx one let's have a look zeiss one review petapixel a dp review oh yeah interesting let me. [00:46:52] Speaker B: Bring it up while you do that i'm going to get my q three to prompt me to ask some more. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Questions you do that and i'll bring up this thing let it go here it is i vaguely remember this camera jason yeah interesting isn't it when did that come out twenty twenty one thirty seven point four megapixel full frame sensor and a fixed thirty five f two lens so yeah a lot of similarities to the rx one i was just saying justin it is very similar in. [00:47:31] Speaker B: Specs looks bigger for sure or is that just a trick of the eye. [00:47:36] Speaker A: Came out four years ago didn't actually. [00:47:39] Speaker B: Come out did it yeah no it. [00:47:41] Speaker A: Launched they reviewed it what just what am i doing i do say i do like the black and yellow that. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Is kind of cool i like that. [00:47:51] Speaker A: I like that yeah i like that a lot and yeah thirty five f two fixed lens zeiss lens so i've. [00:48:01] Speaker B: Heard zeiss make okay lenses yeah they. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Do okay but you know it's a pretty slick looking design for the era. [00:48:08] Speaker B: It'S kind of like the first iteration on the sigma bf yeah you know like they they kind of went with that smooth design and yeah yeah interesting oh wow okay apparently it was announced about three years before it come out so that's why yeah it took forever and then maybe it was it was potentially maybe it was outdated before it got to market i don't know yeah. [00:48:33] Speaker A: Probably interesting there you go so what have you got in your hot little. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Hands well you know this is the q three this is this is the competitor i think a lot of people are saying that it's still much more expensive i don't think fifteen hundred or two thousand dollars is going to change people's mind if you're thinking about spending assuming we're talking about australian prices assuming it ends up being nine thousand dollars australian which maybe it won't but that's what that's the calculations we're doing guesstimates you know nine thousand dollars for a sony rx one r mark three versus ten thousand eight hundred or under ten thousand on a deal currently from george's for leica q three i just they're in the same price point in my opinion yeah and as much as everyone wants to say like is there a bit wanky and they are the red dot does mean something to people whether they want to admit it or not add to that comes with a lens hood included okay and a red dot. [00:49:34] Speaker A: You paid eight grand just for that. [00:49:36] Speaker B: It is weather sealed it has the sixty megapixel sensor it has an epic twenty eight millimeter f one point seven lens which has been tested and proven to be an amazing lens it has optical image stabilization which is like ibis but old school for those that don't remember so it does have stabilization and it has a flippy screen flippy screen and an evf that's twice the resolution yeah it's a bigger body it is definitely so if you want the ultimate compactness the rx one r mark three might prove to be the ultimate in terms of compact full frame you know cameras i think it will be the smallest is it the smallest i think. [00:50:24] Speaker A: It is amongst yeah it's pretty small you know and again it's it all comes down to to compromise you know you can get this smaller camera but it doesn't have as fast a lens as the leica pretty close though like. [00:50:40] Speaker B: Thirty five f two that's that's not like when you know the the gfx one hundred rf at an f four which is f three point two equivalent full frame that's significantly slower i'd put the f three you know thirty five f two that's fast enough for me in my opinion it's pretty close but it's it is it is not my preferred focal length i prefer the wider focal length on a fixed lens camera yeah so that's a preference thing i don't know but it's more just the like you're playing in a pretty high stakes game with the other competitors and i just don't know if they've brought enough that's why when i titled the thumbnail of this episode it was like worth the wait i'm not it's almost like if this camera had come out in twenty nineteen it would have been great but we're in twenty twenty five. [00:51:27] Speaker A: Yeah lots has changed and you know and i just don't know what it would have cost sony because obviously we have no idea what goes into camera design development production all that sort of stuff but what would it have cost them to tweak the lens a little bit and call it a mark two. [00:51:46] Speaker B: Like to be able to say we've revised the optical formula to have better. [00:51:49] Speaker A: Performance even if they tweak the autofocus system or something you know even if. [00:51:54] Speaker B: They just lied to us and said they did we wouldn't have known buddha said great it's an optimized lens let. [00:52:02] Speaker A: The youtubers work out the rest you know like let the youtubers make the. [00:52:05] Speaker B: Mistake but until you know gordon or i don't know who does great who does the really technical stuff gerald undone someone until someone someone crazy got amongst it and done done gerald undone but. [00:52:20] Speaker A: I mean it is a cracker of a lens but yeah it's yet to be you can't tell from looking at it whether it's actually going to keep pace with with sony's latest algorithms although it does have an ai focused performance chip love ai it's cool they have added a second chip in here that is it's got ai printed on it so it must mean something but it's yeah apparently for improved focus performance so maybe that's how they've compensated for an older lens that they've just made the the focus performance so tricked out that. [00:52:52] Speaker B: And this is this is the problem with us speculating on a camera that's not out yet we're speculating on whether the autofocus is going to keep up with the lens the lens is going to be able to keep up with the autofocus and stuff we don't know we haven't used it but based on everything that we're seeing that lens wasn't fast to begin with at auto focusing so if it's the same it could be a bit of a struggle just quickly jason says biggest advantage of the leica which is the q three is the true manual focus mechanical lens and that is something that i didn't mention and i absolutely agree shooting manual focus for this does feel like an m it's solid it's not decoupled to a twisty ring that doesn't feel you know like you turn it from here to here that's the focus throw you know exactly where it is everything's mechanical yeah you can't see it because my canon wants to focus on me but like it's it's it feels great to manual focus with that is a big advantage if you're into that definitely so if you if but if you're into that like you're going to be drawn to this camera probably anyway yeah for sure so yeah which would you take the out of those three cameras so what are my options okay so leica q three the gfx one hundred rf i know you love fuji and the new sony rx one r mark three and. [00:54:17] Speaker A: What are my criteria like what are my boundaries cost doesn't matter cost matters. [00:54:22] Speaker B: Because that money you that you know the extra money you'd have to spend on the leica maybe you could use on your thumb grip and stuff for the sony so cost matters but you've made the decision to spend that much money on a camera but it is your money it's hard isn't it yeah. [00:54:39] Speaker A: Because there's a compromise in every option so for me i i'm instantly drawn to the gfx one hundred rf i would buy that camera if i had the money if i was looking for a point and shoot com great it's. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Got no eyes every photo will be. [00:54:55] Speaker A: Blurry no it doesn't work that way matt robins anyway keep in mind that matt doesn't sit still so he needs ibis just in life he needs shares with ibis so people can find us. [00:55:08] Speaker B: On you matt probably thinks i'm making fun of him i'm not i'm actually very squarely on the fence of like that camera should have had ibis i think i think i think it would be useful for the way that i shoot when i shoot those kind of images i like to be able to get down to really slow shutter speeds without a tripod when i'm traveling for me that's a big advantage so it's funny i yeah i keep i keep bringing it up it isn't the be all and end all in cameras but i actually i believe for my personal use it's very handy for the way that i shoot which is often with these cameras i'm not carrying a tripod. [00:55:42] Speaker A: No chance it's very rare that i i wish i had ibis but i don't like the idea of an f four lens yep to me that's just sloppy it really is like it should not have been that slow clip it oh my god sloppy said it should not have been that slow like at worst go for two point eight that. [00:56:04] Speaker B: Would have been amazing and it would have and we've but we've said it it would have made the camera it would have made the lens bigger and heavier but it probably would have been a better overall camera even with a bigger lens but they said a lot. [00:56:16] Speaker A: Of limitations you've got one hundred two megapixel sensor and you're running an f four like come on let's let's make the most of that and just get such insane sharpness with background obliteration you know like it's it's it's just there for the picking but you can't because. [00:56:30] Speaker B: It'S an f four i can't believe i've got a clip of you saying that the the gfx one hundred rf f four lens is sloppy shit i. [00:56:39] Speaker A: Think it is sloppy and they did the same with that x half well. [00:56:43] Speaker B: Yeah i think that lens is terrible i reckon that was a whole different. [00:56:47] Speaker A: Team that i reckon they just plucked that out of one of those those disposable snapshots you disposable thirty five mil film cameras and just stuck it on it that'll do anyway what would i choose oh man it's hard i don't know that the gfx is for me it's big i don't like big cameras necessarily if i was going purely on okay if i was going for size and ergonomics then i would go this but i would get the grip and the thumb rest provided that thumb rest didn't compromise controls interesting so you so you would choose this yeah i reckon because it sits in that i don't need one hundred and two megapixels okay but i do like a fast lens i'm not like an f one point two you know i mean it's harder to get those in fuji at a good price i'm happy with an f two f two is my perfect speed in terms of aperture max aperture so this this camera and lens really appeals to me for that reason okay and i like thirty five mil so i don't need to go wider like you so but i also like a flippy. [00:57:51] Speaker B: Screen well i've got another question for you then but first jump to a couple of comments if you're listening along which quite a few of you are right now please do me a favor one i'd love it if you subscribed please please please two hit the like button but if you can't be bothered doing either of those that's cool what i'd really like you to do is comment what camera would you spend this much money on at the moment would you buy this camera or not yeah. [00:58:18] Speaker A: Or if someone said hey here's ten grand you've got three choices the gfx fujifilm gfx one hundred rf okay this brand new sony rx one r mark iii based on what we know or the leica q three the standard q three which would you choose let us know in the comments. [00:58:38] Speaker B: Well maybe later. [00:58:39] Speaker A: On our socials we'll put a poll up on on our social media stuff. [00:58:44] Speaker B: But but yeah yeah yeah definitely and while you do that a couple of comments ecstasy co what's up the the new sony rx one r three looks really good xlim hey xe the new sony rx one r three looks really good good to have you both here what's happening jason says ecstasy and xlim seem in agreement wrong account yep all right we'll get to here we go ibis expands the shooting envelope into new areas of creative use not just stabilizing a shot i agree and that's what yeah can do that's what i use it for i use it for two things well yeah one i like to try and get some motion blur or something like that while being handheld without a tripod i've actually used that and really enjoyed the shots that i've got from it while traveling but also i bet sometimes i have shaky hands and i move around a lot i bet sometimes ibis has probably helped me save a shot that might have had a little bit of motion blur introduced from like camera shake handshake as opposed to you know because i was just being a bit casual with the way that i took the shot i bet you because i often try and sit at around that two hundred and fiftieth three twentieth four hundredth around there for a lot of my casual shooting to keep things sharp but if i'm not that's still even though that's fast i could still fluff a shot at two fiftieth if i was really just casual with the way that i went about it yeah yeah so i bet you it saved me a couple of times. [01:00:23] Speaker A: All. [01:00:23] Speaker B: Right so there's a good question from john pickett we'll get back to that in a second the question i have for you now greg is your choices are the x one hundred six at its current price of three thousand whatever it is two thousand eight hundred something like that yep x one hundred yeah. [01:00:47] Speaker A: It'S about two thousand eight hundred all. [01:00:49] Speaker B: Right twenty eight ninety nine these are your only choices are the x one hundred six or the rx one r mark three twenty eight ninety nine for the x one hundred vi and i'm going to play a game we're going to would you would you so with your options you got two options sitting in front of you at the camera store twenty eight ninety nine this is your own money would you buy the x one hundred six or would you buy the rx one r mark three for nine thousand dollars australian that's easy. [01:01:20] Speaker A: What i'd buy the fujifilm x one hundred mark vi and the money i saved i'd fly to japan to do. [01:01:26] Speaker B: Some photography all right what if the rx one r mark three was eight. [01:01:30] Speaker A: Thousand dollars the rx one r mark. [01:01:33] Speaker B: Iii no seven thousand no six thousand no five thousand hang on are we. [01:01:42] Speaker A: Talking about my money or your money. [01:01:44] Speaker B: Your money no four thousand yeah maybe yeah okay so somewhere in that four four thousand four and a half thousand mark that's where it would become a compelling option for you over the x one hundred mark vi i'm not talking about whether it's worth it or whatever i'm talking about yeah no i'm greg greg's own choice just like hey this is my money yeah the rx the x one hundred mark six is a great camera it's got a it's got a flippy screen it's got ibis forty megapixels thirty five millimeter equivalent lens f two it's hard to justify that extra. [01:02:23] Speaker A: Well you know the thing for me for greg i predominantly shoot street and travel i do some product stuff but i've got a different camera for that yeah and when we do events for you know with lucky straps and for bfop and i use different lenses but for a street and travel camera i find it really hard to beat the x one hundred mark via for value performance features and fun you know i think that the rx sorry the x one hundreds add this this this ethereal fun joy of photography element that a lot of brands get wrong yeah there's a bit more heart in fuji cameras i find than sony camera sony cameras are very technical very specific very dedicated you know whereas i find that there's a bit more i don't know a bit more creative freedom in fuji cameras personally which is why i've gone with the brand you know it works for me it doesn't have to work for everybody some people out there probably hate the way fujifils look they just whether they look different or not they've just got an opinion that they hate the way they look they're not detailed enough but for what i do you know a three thousand dollars camera is perfectly good which is why i invested in the fujifilm xe five over anything else yeah you know because the xc five to me is pretty much an x one hundred mark vi because it's got forty megapixels it's got ibis it's got the same processor but i can put whatever lens i want on it yeah. [01:03:56] Speaker B: Exactly and that and that gets us into a whole different thing which is also what john pickett said here so why not get a sony a seven r and then have a better lens option still pretty small okay let's let's let's explore that option the a seven sorry the a seven cr did i say that right a seven cr yeah yeah which is their like rangefinder style sixty megapixel isn't it is that saying yeah it is sixty yep so it's got what do we got it's got an electric view electronic viewfinder it looks like it's a bit similar two point three six million dot evf so average evf not a good i know yeah. [01:04:40] Speaker A: No the lcd is only one million. [01:04:42] Speaker B: Dots yep so an older and a flippy the the non good style flippy lcd but still you know it works it's the the flippy add either side not the good yeah the good one so it's obviously the benefits are you can put any e mount lens on it which there are tons or any. [01:05:03] Speaker A: Lens because you can get adapters for sony's for pretty much everything yes but with a forty if you go for a forty f two point five which is a g lens it's three eight hundred american us dollars sorry because i think who was it that asked that. [01:05:22] Speaker B: Question sorry oh yeah well it's it's only it's four grand in australia plus a lens yeah you know like that's a lot of money for a couple of nice primes i'm trying to see what the weight what what the weight is size and weight it is that's not right. [01:05:46] Speaker A: So the size of it in millimeters in sorry in inches it's four point nine by two point eight by two point five in millimeters one hundred twenty four by seventy one by sixty and again it's only one point one pounds so it's the exact same weight for the body only yeah as. [01:06:03] Speaker B: The new sony yeah the new the the rx one r mark three gosh is actually lighter than the a seven cr with that lens on it like as in with with no lens the compared you know it's it's heavier with no lens so there is a significant difference in the body and packing stuff into something small does cost money so. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Yeah but that lens that forty mil what did i say it was an f two f two point five so it's not terribly fast but you know that's only one hundred seventy three grams it's not a huge no it is there like it will bump up the size but it's not huge it's not. [01:06:46] Speaker B: Huge you could definitely live with it but if you're looking for the the optimum in size then yeah spend your money on spend nine grand but yeah anyway drunk wedding photographers here hey yeah it's it's but it's that age old thing that we we've talked about with everyone's talked about with every camera people say the same thing about a q three oh why wouldn't you just get a this and this and one of them i think you know the magic that leica have with the q three that's been it the twenty eight mil there's this thing that they can say where they say that's a ten thousand dollars lens by itself if you want to buy that lens for the m system it's ten grand for something roughly equivalent that's a big despite whether that's a inflated price or not that's a big selling point to people when they're thinking about investing in that camera and they're like gosh i'm basically getting the camera for free because i want that leica lens that twenty eight mil high quality lens that normally costs ten thousand dollars and again that could just be a you know it's a fugazi it's made up it doesn't really matter ultimately what matters is the pictures it takes but it could help people justify in their head spending that much money on a fixed lens camera whereas what do people see for the equivalent of a sony thirty five mil f two lens they think oh that's that's a lens that's probably worth eight hundred bucks you know like what what do they perceive the value of that lens to be yeah maybe i don't know could be wrong there. [01:08:28] Speaker A: Yeah i think there's what is there there's a sony three thousand five hundred fourteen there's a sony zeiss one point four my internet's really bad what else we got this is thirty five zeiss two point eight it's about a thousand australian at thirty five eighteen thousand bucks yeah or you can get the cheaper one for six hundred so you know you've got options that's the other thing too is that if you if you go with it like with any fixed lens camera you know you're committing to if this is going to be your primary camera you're committing to this focal distance and the limitations that that offers you limitations are often you know great for creativity because it makes you work with what you've got but be very careful about choosing a fixed lens camera yeah and understanding you know if you already shoot let's say you've got a zoom let's say you've got a kit zoom like a twenty four to seventy or you know something like that go into your lightroom cataract catalog look at all the photos you've taken with that lens and look at where you've taken most of them at what focal distance and then work out they'll all be at the wide end yeah. [01:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah or or often at the seventy you know like it's so weird you just like oh geez i better buy a twenty four mil prime or i'm like oh do i really actually want a twenty mil because i'm always like out as far as i don't walk backwards or whatever but yeah anyway but. [01:09:56] Speaker A: It'S a good way to work out what you're shooting and where and why and then you can look at the aperture you're using for most of your shots like you can really break down that data and then understand okay if i'm taking most of my shots at thirty five at around like wide open at whatever your lens is f two or two point eight or whatever it is then you could cope with a fixed lens camera with a thirty five f two you're going to be absolutely fine especially if you want to travel with it you want something lightweight and compact you want something discreet you know you want something that's powerful enough to get what you want and if you have to crop in on images not necessarily in camera but even later in post production when you're editing then you've got some bandwidth to move without losing too much image detail but if you do that experiment and you find that yeah you're shooting mostly at twenty or you're shooting mostly at seventy this isn't going to work for you that's right. [01:10:48] Speaker B: What do we got here well this is the lens they say that the and whether it is or not i don't know leica people will know more than me that the twenty eight mil so it's the summer lux twenty eight mil it's an f one point seven on the q three but there's an f one four this is what they say is the equivalent on the m series and yeah it's it's dearer than the q three is to buy just the lens and that helps people get over the hurdle of buying that first leica and i think the q three or the q two or the q was a lot of people's first leica yeah it's like a gateway drug anyway. [01:11:25] Speaker A: Well it is because we often we often refer camera we often kind of compare camera brands to other things like someone earlier said you know the toyota lexus kind of model you know we sometimes refer to leica as you know they kind of make rolex the rolex of the camera world yeah i tell. [01:11:41] Speaker B: People it's like buying a nice watch. [01:11:43] Speaker A: For yourself yeah and it's you know it's a statement piece it's a treat because it is it is a treat it's a big trait to buy a leica you know you feel good about it it makes you feel inspired and energized you feel like you've stepped up your game but it is a treat and maybe you're not ready for that level of treat and if so then start smaller and build up to it. [01:12:04] Speaker B: You know yeah or you don't you know or just it's not the right way to spend your money particularly if you're trying to achieve something with your imagery that doesn't require that camera you. [01:12:18] Speaker A: Know. [01:12:20] Speaker B: Yeah anyway a couple of quick comments philip johnson hammering home that same point says looks great looks like a great camera but i'm a landscape shooter and if i had ten grand to spend it wouldn't be on a point and shoot and that's the thing like for most people there's way better value out there and that's fine that's always been the same with this kind of category of camera people would say the same about the gfx one hundred rf it's like hey i could spend i could probably get better landscape shots with. [01:12:46] Speaker A: Something else probably and it's about where you want to spend that ten k you know if you've got a interchangeable lens camera let's say it's an older sony mirrorless right and you're happy with the camera it performs well the autofocus is good but you're just not inspired by the image quality then go and spend a couple of grand on a really nice lens for yourself make that your first treat rather than going to a fixed lens camera system like go and get a beautiful lens get a get a one point two and just rediscover your photography all over again it will make the world of difference i. [01:13:18] Speaker B: Mean or just invest in a really nice leather camera strap so that you can take your camera out more places and feel comfortable while you do it. [01:13:25] Speaker A: They help you connect with your craft. [01:13:27] Speaker B: Anyway it just you know for those of you that are new this show is brought to you by lucky straps which is which is what we do we make great leather camera straps quick release suit almost every camera can be personalized extremely comfortable we i like to. [01:13:42] Speaker A: Say that they're and they're leather they're. [01:13:43] Speaker B: Beautiful and they're leather we do wrist straps shoulder straps all sorts of stuff we even developed a brand new style of camera strap when canon first released the r five we worked with them to release a custom camera strap for the r five in australia and then also on the r five mark ii so we're trusted by canon we're trusted by om system we're trusted by photographers all all over the world just like you so if you do want one there's our ad read go and go and get amongst it you can even use code greg or code justin for fifteen percent off just pick your favorite yeah greg it is greg it is what was going to say comments project x says hi hi project x where are you from and do you like this camera jason says i'd buy the rx one r mark two for a couple of grand over the rx one mark three at five grand and yeah that's a fair point cool yep same lens yeah following up from that that's a good point following up from that as i think about it i realize a lot of the things i'm looking for and nothing to do with sensor size ibis wi fi controls weather ceiling handling weight optics and general field that's exactly it that is exactly it and that's what really does make the x one hundred vi compelling camera because it has they've over six generations they've dialed in a lot of that stuff yeah that that's why that you know again like if this was the if they were releasing the rx one r mark vi what what would that camera look like but it should be coming out in twenty twenty five whereas based on the current maths that's going to come out in twenty fifty. [01:15:23] Speaker A: We will all have we'll already have cameras embedded in. [01:15:26] Speaker B: Our irises so yep and they'll be coming they'll be like look we've got the rx one r mark six and we'll be like what dude you know i got an an arri cinema camera built into my ray bans fool what else we got again if the tech doesn't also add to the philosophy of photography then it becomes less important this is also true what are we actually doing yep tim siamus good to see you tim some nice listing material for my lunchtime run ah good work getting out in amongst it at lunchtime go you love a new surprise drop rewinding to the start okay so you're not hearing us say this right now well if you're still running when you get to this because this is an hour and fifteen and you're doing a great job yeah well done keep going push hard we're proud of you run run have a sip of water and then keep running good job what else what else xe says it'd be better to have a wide and or a teleconverter to maximize the uses of the camera i think it yeah it's like there's that as well like are they going to have any lens adaptery things like. [01:16:36] Speaker A: Fuji did with the fuji yeah but. [01:16:39] Speaker B: Which is also though they do that and then you think well why did you buy a fixed lens camera as well and then you start to you know because those teleconverters always generally are not as good as having a dedicated lens in terms of quality usually they're. [01:16:54] Speaker A: More just a magnifier with a front front cap to protect it yeah with a front lens to protect it yeah. [01:16:59] Speaker B: So then you're carrying around something else you might as well be carrying around a couple of lenses and in this case an a seven cr and a couple of primes as opposed to getting this and teleconverter so maybe it's not worth making you know maybe it's like hey you want a thirty five this is the camera you want a range of lenses this is not the camera but buy a different camera yeah yeah. [01:17:22] Speaker A: Although there is a lot of appeal to you know sticking you know and there's that sort of fanboy service isn't it like x is a fanboy he he's got an x one hundred mark vi and he's also got the teleconverter the wide but you know he's kitted up his because it's already got a retro look so he drops this teleconverter on it it's got a leather half case he's got a strap you know he's kind of made it into his kind of go everywhere camera and plenty of people do that but yeah i i had the when i when i owned one of the x one hundreds i've owned the first three first three or first four can't remember and first four sorry and the i had the wide teleconverter and i just found that i just wasn't using it you know it just didn't didn't gel with me and that's fine it's just you know anyway so people in the chat if you were using justin's money what would you buy would it be the gfx one hundred rf would it be the leica q three or the other q three with the what is it a forty three mil equivalent. [01:18:26] Speaker B: There'S this yeah there's the forty three q the q three forty three or whatever they call. [01:18:32] Speaker A: It yeah or would you go hang on did i miss them or the sony rx one r mark three what would you buy if justin said hey. [01:18:40] Speaker B: Want a treat want a treat yeah so pretend you won a photography competition and lucky straps are giving you your choice of those three cameras you can just pick whichever one you want while you guys are thinking about that rudy is in the chat hey rudy hey rudy hey rudy says hey this is rudy from california thanks for joining us whereabouts in california socal we've got a few folks from california norcal middle cal i've been in the photography business for over sixty years that's epic well done we'd love to talk to you one day about your journey that'd be cool you want to come on the show i have a q three and the a seven cr with the forty wow so tell me like what which one do you prefer why do you have both is the rx one r mark three in any way compelling because you've got two very sort of similar cameras in that range that we've been talking about like what do you think which is this something you would consider john pickett the most expensive leica possible with justin's money good choice yeah jason says the q yeah the forty three the q forty three okay so you like that focal length and you like the q why tell us why and rudy's in san jose which way san jose that's south of la yes i don't. [01:19:59] Speaker A: Know california at all. [01:20:03] Speaker B: California i didn't go there i know that which means. [01:20:14] Speaker A: Another question for the chat bring it. [01:20:16] Speaker B: Up while i'm looking at it myself just in case anyone's interested i'm just. [01:20:20] Speaker A: If you were looking at picking up a second camera body and you thought oh maybe i should get this sony or a fixed lens system would you get that or would you opt for a second interchangeable lens body to already use the lens range you've got because i know a lot of people especially in sort of more professional fields they'll have a complete kit and then they'll have like a q three like justin has justin's got a canon kit and almost every canon lens that has ever been made but he also has a q three rudy's just said that you know he has the a seven cr a seven cr yep that one plus a q three you know and so a lot of people will get this smaller compact fixed lens system as a run around everyday carry camera but what would you do would you get a would you get a fixed lens would you get a second interchangeable body and i know there's going to be situational but yeah let us know. [01:21:14] Speaker B: Yeah okay so i actually did i did go near san jose when we went yeah we basically went we stayed night in santa cruz and then we went basically to san fran and i we didn't quite go across actually don't think we went even through it fremont livermore good gym in livermore and then yeah we drove over the golden gate and headed out heading up to yosemite very cool very very amazing area very expensive i think to live there i don't know about your location specifically but like just the general that general san fran santa cruz all that that's beautiful the beaches are beautiful okay rudy says i love my leica the images are very different philip says justin's money go with the q three this is the thing and this is where i think it's a lot of people are saying oh there's still a big price i think when when you're playing in that price range there's a lot of people that are like gosh if i was going to spend ten grand australian we're talking because we're in australia if i'm going to spend that amount i really want the q three you know it's got that. [01:22:28] Speaker A: I think it just ticks a few more boxes too specs and performance yeah. [01:22:33] Speaker B: It'S like do you want to buy do you want to buy the porsche or for almost the same amount of money do you want to buy the toyota that performs as well as the porsche does and toyota like hey it's exactly the same and they're like yeah but you know it's not but you're. [01:22:47] Speaker A: Using the same wheels you used last. [01:22:48] Speaker B: Year yeah the wheels off the twenty twenty fifteen porsche what are you doing. [01:22:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:58] Speaker B: Jason says i'd choose the leica for the real summer lux lens with manual focusing correct zone focus ability and the look of the leica files and trust me me those leica files the jpegs are fantastic absolutely fantastic the the and the raws are great to work with the only problem i have with leica is i'm having a real problem getting the raws to look like the jpegs but so that i can then tweak from there i really struggle with that i can't do it in lightroom if anyone's figured it out let me know i want the leica what do. [01:23:34] Speaker A: I want so like lightroom doesn't have a leica look preset that replicates the. [01:23:39] Speaker B: Raw the jpeg nothing that looks the same as it especially their new leica looks that they're introducing vivid and i really enjoy i can't remember what it is that i use and now i think my battery's flat so i can't even check it the one that i shoot in most of the time and i just can't get it to be the same i can get them to look great but they're not the same and i'd rather start from what i'm seeing in camera because i often shoot jpeg and raw yeah but then it's it's hard to sometimes get what you want out of a jpeg in a high dynamic like high dynamic range scene so yeah true rudy says yeah it can be hard so you know you shoot to then what you know you can get out of the file later is what you always do with raws and then when i do that i have to start from scratch and i'm not getting that look that i want straight out of the jpeg it's yeah anyway it's a battle and if anyone's figured it out please let me know rudy have you figured it out rudy says i also work for a camera store need to work to pay my bills here very expensive yeah yeah you're. [01:24:47] Speaker A: Doing well to still be working in a camera store after sixty years of. [01:24:50] Speaker B: Taking photos it sounds like it sounds like you would be the person you want to walk into a camera store and ask you know like you've got a multiple great cameras you've been shooting for sixty years that's who you want to talk to at a camera store yeah john pickett says depends what i'm what i'm wanting the second camera for if it's a backup i'd get a camera in my current system it was something for travel or edc type thing the x one hundred vi is hard to go past and that's the thing when you're talking real money real real money of your own pocket it's really hard to justify triple the cost for these other cameras yeah yeah with the tariffs it's about to get even more expensive jason says not to get political yep leica files are amazing though yeah it's yeah the leica files are amazing and this is the thing this this sony this rx one mark three gosh said that too many times this show should have insane raw files the same as all of the other sixty megapixel sony sensors yeah will it have the jpeg magic that leica's got currently no idea probably not but no idea sony. [01:26:02] Speaker A: Files don't don't inspire me jpegs don't inspire me like others do they're very clean they're very technical they're great they've got great dynamic range and all of that sort of crap but i don't know they just lack a bit of heart soul soul heart and soul heart and soul. [01:26:23] Speaker B: Iktarius great great username and great profile picture too iktarius says i'm not the most informed on camera specs but it really does piss me off that they made it five grand and that's five grand us and yeah i think that's what a lot of so i was i was like trawling on the reddit threads in both the sony alpha reddit like subreddit and the r photography and yeah like the vast majority of the comments just it's expensive you know everyone's saying it they're like yeah there's a lot yeah that price they. [01:26:58] Speaker A: Were they were saying that they said that about the gfx one hundred rf the price was a big thing but there was also a lot of compromise do you think that there is as many compromises in the rx one r mark three to the gfx this is. [01:27:13] Speaker B: The thing with the gfx it did something no one's ever done before one hundred megapixel medium format sensor in a tiny camera this is the version three of a camera that the version two come out ten years ago almost like yeah it's it's a different thing people have expect no one had any expectations of the gfx there was rumors floating around they were disappointed with the lens as you are some were disappointed with the lack of ibis as i am but ultimately it's it did something that no one's done before it's very cool and it's it's for some people only and i think this this camera is dearer than the mark ii by a lot not just the amount of general inflation over the past ten years it's jumped up further from there probably because of tariffs and probably because sony were like why wouldn't we play in this space you know why wouldn't we play in the same space as these other cameras that have similar specs yeah so. [01:28:16] Speaker A: Yeah i don't know well yeah and it feels i don't want to say it you know like you said when fuji brought out the gfx one hundred no one had done it before there were people had wanted it and that was the thing people were asking for it yeah they wish that there was a like an x one hundred version of a gfx and they did it to their credit they did it you know but this one people were expecting at some point for sony to reenter this market like they were successful in the past why wouldn't they so at some point because fuji are doing it leica has been doing it for ages you know other brands are wanting to get into it and it feels like a little too late you know they've they've they've re entered at a time when most people are no longer interested in shooting with that sort of camera or they've moved on to another system you know potentially and it's a lot. [01:29:12] Speaker B: Of money i think you might be right it might be too late for them to establish any kind of dominance in this segment yeah now now that there's so much history from other players and no like a big ten year gap of history from sony they've lost their momentum that they had yeah it is an iconic camera those original ones and people always kept talking about the amount of articles that are out there like will they ever do this you know version of this cracker of a camera but it just it just dragged on so long maybe covid was a thing maybe they were thinking about doing this in twenty twenty and then it was like hey let's shift all resources away from this because it's not a priority for us you know when they were having when everyone was having production issues and supply chain issues and stuff like that who knows i don't know it'll be interesting to see i don't think they're going to this isn't a big enough win for them to claw this segment back to being or not with this generation anyway no if they had come out and did something really special they could have really made some waves okay so ektarius actually first let me cover your first comment just join sorry if you are just joining it's awesome to have you here we've been going for an hour and a half already this is what we do we talk about stuff we have the live chat going sometimes we do camera reviews that we've actually had our hands on this time we're just throwing stones from over the fence because we haven't had our hands on it because it only got really so easy to do it's so easy to do but we also do interview photographers every single week on this show on thursdays in australian time amazing photographers from all over the world mostly from australia at the moment but we are expanding we've got some good ones in the works and we also do a monday night australian times show which is not as good for you us folks but that's when we talk about random stuff so if you've just joined you can always go back and listen to this from the start you might as well stick with us now stay live for a little bit and then you can go back and listen to from the start whenever you want you can also listen later on our youtube channel obviously but also spotify apple podcasts all those things just search the camera life you'll find us yeah and. [01:31:21] Speaker A: Folks just to reiterate we do every show live so we want you in the comments we want you asking questions we want you throwing shade at things or at other people or even at us yeah we're here for it because this is how we differentiate we're available to you guys we're very community focused here at the camera life and we want to hear what your thoughts are there's no point you tuning in just to listen to to to us just rabbit on about our thoughts we want to hear about you too we don't. [01:31:48] Speaker B: Know what we're talking about too no. [01:31:49] Speaker A: I'Ve never even taken a photo. [01:31:54] Speaker B: Ektarius great username again do you think the price will kill it at the end of the day photographers will pay whatever but i really think this one's on the line and i think you're probably right i think that i think sony found the line i think this if this was dearer everyone would be like no way i think if it was cheaper it probably could have been a big hit and they found the line of the balance of like profitability will people buy it won't they buy it they priced it right on the edge probably for multiple reasons will photographers pay it you know i would have said no because of the current economic climate how expensive everything's getting but i don't understand people just keep releasing expensive stuff and it sells out so the gfx is selling well i didn't think the gfx one hundred rf would sell i thought it was a great camera for them to release but i thought it was going to be a tough sell. [01:32:47] Speaker A: So i can't make them fast enough. [01:32:48] Speaker B: For the us they released that x half which is barely a camera and that sold so i don't know i have no idea but i would think that it might be a bit of a tough sell given sony don't have the momentum behind this category to be really something people are going to desire like really have that strong desire for. [01:33:11] Speaker A: And also shadow dropping a product like this that hasn't been around for over a decade i don't know that that was the wise marketing move i agree i should have built hype they should have built hype a classic is on its way back you know and fujifilm have been doing this a little bit more where they show these sort of silhouettes you know the range finder is on its way back to you like you know it's and then get it. [01:33:36] Speaker B: In the hands of you know they put this thing in the hands of the gfx one hundred rf i'm talking about street photographers john street they filmed he he shot thousands of photos with it street photos what it was what they designed it for they said here go and use it let's make a video with you let's have example photos from you you know like they could have done that even just with a handful of great street photographers even if it was just they were just like hey we just keep this in japan we'll keep it you know like keep it really tight couple of people and i know they've made their own videos but i think you need to go that next step to where it feels yeah well i think it was potentially a rushed release because i think let's talk the real real yeah i think i think that they've seen the success of other cameras in this segment and they've rushed back into the market possibly with an undeveloped underdeveloped version three compared to what would be possible with all of sony's engineering might i think they possibly could have done something a little bit cooler and i think that the. [01:34:43] Speaker A: Lens is now over a decade old. [01:34:45] Speaker B: Yeah wait so is the q three's lens so you know not really because. [01:34:50] Speaker A: They updated it for the q three but this is the same lens i had on the previous camera i don't. [01:34:54] Speaker B: Think they did update it i think the q three is just the same lens as the q two yeah i'm. [01:34:59] Speaker A: Pretty sure i thought it was an. [01:35:01] Speaker B: Update no i'm pretty sure it's just the same i don't know i might have got it wrong but yeah anyway what i'm getting at is. [01:35:10] Speaker A: Where was. [01:35:10] Speaker B: I going with that sorry i think no it's okay it's like i just think they they might have rushed it in back into the market because of the success these other cameras are having in the they would have seen the stats map camera releasing stats like oh gosh they're selling tons of these are selling tons of those maybe sony were like we got to get this thing to market asap we don't have time to do the six month lead up campaign getting it out to people doing all this stuff let's just get it in people's hands the reviewers will still do the reviews we'll still sell the cameras let's just go because we don't have time maybe or. [01:35:44] Speaker A: They were just purely arrogant and thought people will buy this because it's sony they love our stuff yeah i don't know everyone's been asking for this to come back they'll. [01:35:52] Speaker B: Just buy it maybe they're changing their release strategy you know like that fx two just kind of come out yeah. [01:35:58] Speaker A: It didn't yeah that yeah that shadow dropped too that wasn't really it was it was rumored it was going to happen eventually but you know you could say that for every camera but yeah it's interesting interesting just to just drop it and like yeah like you said even peta pixel are caught off guard and usually they're the first ones to drop a video review or a preview. [01:36:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:36:21] Speaker A: Wong who else you know that three elephant and a man is it three elephant and a man or three. [01:36:27] Speaker B: Men three blind elephants you know what i mean that guy i don't know. [01:36:33] Speaker A: Group that always get the first release reviews you know. [01:36:40] Speaker B: We'Ll never get those. [01:36:42] Speaker A: We'Re still young i think we might. [01:36:43] Speaker B: Be too honest yeah maybe but be brutal i think we were a little bit too honest to get the the yeah anyway we'll see anyway i don't i don't want the secrets i don't want the it's easier when we don't have the secrets we can talk about. [01:36:56] Speaker A: Whatever we want yeah because remember like you know because for those of you that watching i often get sent cameras for review i review cameras for a website here in australia it's actually a global website called shotkit shotkit dot com dot com sorry and often i get them before launch and i'm under embargo and you know it'll come up in our podcast here and i have to stay tight lipped about it i can't i can't break i've got to honor the embargo obviously i try and get. [01:37:22] Speaker B: The info out of him but he does it's very difficult but i'm like. [01:37:25] Speaker A: He knows he does be well now. [01:37:27] Speaker B: Greg'S like i don't have a camera i'm like dude i've seen the rumor sites i know these cameras what is it and he's like don't have one it's fun it's a fun game that we play whereas i i am not a camera reviewer i'm a photographer and i make camera straps and that's it's i don't know i'd buy the products and then then review them and then sell them again yeah it's a lot easier no expectations anyway let's have a look at a couple more comments before we before we call this thing we won't be on too much longer so if anyone has any comments or questions throw you two cents in rudy says camera price is getting ready to increase from every camera company i would absolutely believe that in the us some already. [01:38:09] Speaker A: Have including sony. [01:38:14] Speaker B: Thought the om three jason says that thought the om three looked like a veritable look it was overpriced but it looks like a veritable bargain compared to some of these recent new releases agree actarius they had their time with their first couple of cameras this is sony's talking about yet companies like fuji have really taken the lead here yeah i agree i think that and now they're going to have to play catch up and it can be done i just don't know if this was the statement that that needed to be made but again everyone said that you know like when canon come into mirrorless and they had the eos r and everyone was like really this is what we waited for to get into mirrorless was this kind of like not quite as good as the market already mirrorless but they got there it just you know they just had to start running and they eventually got there yeah what else lim two thousand one burger is back hey why isn't this i'm back good to see you and goes on to say when i think about the prices and how these cameras are still selling well makes me think that maybe i'm the only one that's poor no don't worry. [01:39:21] Speaker A: We'Re all poor or. [01:39:22] Speaker B: We buy q three and then we're poor but at the end of the day we're all poor just we might be poor with a q three sitting. [01:39:30] Speaker A: On our desk all of these prices cause us cringe yeah yeah we all feel a bit oh oh can't do. [01:39:36] Speaker B: That it is actually a good point to be made of like do not think that you need to be spending this kind of money on a camera these really are as greg said before a treat and if you want one great i treated myself i'm probably going to sell the q three sometime soon because having that much money sitting around not getting used as much as i'd like kind of hurts it was a treat but you don't you do not need it don't let youtube videos or podcasts like this make you feel like you need something like that to be a proper photographer or a anything an artist or something or just that you've got the best thing you don't need. [01:40:14] Speaker A: Like i said earlier you know save your money keep the camera you've got go buy treat yourself to a nice lens spend fifteen hundred bucks on a new lens there's your treat and you and just use the crap out of that lens re explore your photography with a new focal distance and a new aperture like you haven't before that in itself is a treat you know save that money spend buy a second hand gen two or gen one and go. [01:40:38] Speaker B: On a trip somewhere that's what i was going to say better yet buy nothing if you've got some equipment something go on a trip even go on a cheap trip go on a road trip yeah you know take take hundreds of dollars and just drive yeah and stay in the cheapest motels that you can and and take photos and then come home when you run out of your budget if you can get time. [01:40:58] Speaker A: Off work or if you've got a little budget and you want to do something creative with your photography don't buy new gear go to a workshop if you've never done astrophotography book into an astro workshop yeah you know it will just blow your mind what you can achieve with dark sky photography that you've never really probably done before so you know it's just another tool it's it's like any any carpenter has a toolkit and it's you know a hammer is still a hammer still gonna put a nail in it's just how quick do you want to do it yeah. [01:41:30] Speaker B: Lim two thousand one burger i know your name is patrick but i really like the username it's cool full credit to sony for at least trying to keep up with the market what they're asking for i agree that is true like i'm glad they did it instead of not doing it other cameras are still making vlogging cameras yes i agree i think that might i've said it before i'll say it again i think they might be chasing vertical content a vertical content market that's going to be disappearing as wearables become more common i've said it here i'll say it again yep i think verdict they're going to chase vertical image making only for vertical to slowly disappear over the next i'm going to say five years we'll see this podcast will be still going ektaris says bro honestly the xr being released now at that price was a big mistake it's what people wanted except the price was just too high for what it is not related but yeah no it. [01:42:30] Speaker A: Is related it is it is another point of people trying to enter into a market or create a market and they can't i think you know hopefully the mark two is better yeah. [01:42:42] Speaker B: Yeah lim two thousand one berg is going to treat himself to a holiday and say good choice him her oh patrick him he's going to treat myself to a holiday instead perfect rudy says the camera is a piece of metal doesn't know what you know agree it's a. [01:42:59] Speaker A: Good way of looking at it yeah. [01:43:01] Speaker B: Yeah ektar is going to treat myself to the new xe five because i currently have a nick on d five thousand one hundred do you want to give him any tips greg about it. [01:43:12] Speaker A: No you're a champion that's a that's going to be a killer that camera is going to outsell so many systems it's just going to be a killer it's going to be amazing camera yep. [01:43:22] Speaker B: That'S that's another great option in this this not in this category that's kind of in this category you know if you put the right lens on it like it's it's not but if you get really you know everyone's i want a fixed lens camera you can open it up to the point of like okay what what non fixed lens cameras with compact lenses are a possibility and that is one of them and that's a great camera and so expandable when's your when's your xc five arriving greg. [01:43:49] Speaker A: Sometime in august i haven't set a date so this is the xc four with a twenty seven mil pancake you know and that's in my that's my big australian hand american hands are smaller but that's my big australian hand that's got the the grip and the thumb rest on it and it's interchangeable lens everyone thinks it's an x one hundred. [01:44:07] Speaker B: But it's not was that thumb rest three hundred us dollars nah it was. [01:44:12] Speaker A: Only a couple of hundred bucks for the two if that anyway what else. [01:44:17] Speaker B: We got ray ban meta quality is not bad yeah i really want to play with some of those yeah at some stage but i'm bored talking to. [01:44:24] Speaker A: A friend of ours lucinda goodwin a couple weeks back if you haven't seen that episode roll back and watch it and she talks about how she used wearables for while she's shooting so she shoots concerts but for her kind of b roll stuff and for her social media stuff she has a wearables instantly recording while she's doing photographs so it actually gives like a bit of a behind the scenes view of what she's doing without her having to set up a separate camera it's really clever yeah. [01:44:49] Speaker B: It'S very cool i want to play with it but i just i've been spending way too much money lately and i need to reign that in my printer is supposed to be arriving any day now we'll unbox that on monday show canon program eleven hundred thing iktarius i like the lens that it ships with yeah the pancake twenty three lens twenty three mil thirty five equivalent i like fuji but i don't want to pay a large price for the x one hundred and stick with one lens so yeah it's a great choice you picked right perfect choice xe five not weather sealed no joystick is that true no joystick no thumb i thought it had a little a little knob yeah i mean jason knows his stuff though. [01:45:32] Speaker A: So he does yeah it's hard to argue with with jason and it's not. [01:45:36] Speaker B: It'S not weather sealed is that true. [01:45:38] Speaker A: Yeah that's true but only babies need weather sealing no it's got a little focus lever a little joystick it doesn't have a the circ the old circular selector wheel wasn't really a wheel on fujifilm cameras but it does have the selector stick on the back for focus and menu and all that sort of. [01:46:04] Speaker B: Stuff so that's but not a little joystick nub for focus point selecting well. [01:46:10] Speaker A: Fujifilm'S version of it yeah which is and i've got that on here i think yeah it's the same one. [01:46:19] Speaker B: Oh yeah i thought it had something like. [01:46:21] Speaker A: That that's cool it's got that little nubbin little nubbin that's not quite a. [01:46:26] Speaker B: Nub it's more of a nipple a. [01:46:28] Speaker A: Nurple it's a focus nipple heard it. [01:46:31] Speaker B: Here first folks maybe that's another t shirt we can get made we need to get t shirts made i can't think of any designs so unless one of you legends out there sends me a design into my email which i'll pay you for justinuckystraps dot com that you i need we need to make camera life t shirts and i think i'll just get i'll just use the logo maybe because i don't know i need we need some t shirts and some hoodies it's winter over here it's cold yeah i stand corrected yes you do it has a focus you're half. [01:47:05] Speaker A: Right. [01:47:08] Speaker B: Ray ban and camera glasses have definitely improved a lot i watched casey neistat vid from when ray ban first released big leap in five years yeah and it's coming fast like it's that stuff i think is going to come really fast and i think what what we will also see is rapid adoption of wearable like apple vision but they're going to get better and better wearable displays in which case vertical content will no longer have to live in our pockets on in our phones it can be it'll it'll end so it'll no longer have to be vertical it can be way more immersive much wider i'm predicting the return of panoramic photos you heard it first it'll happen because yeah the moment you're right you take just take an epic pano and then post it on a on a vertical phone. [01:47:57] Speaker A: Screenplate no i think you're right and but i think in general like we saw with the gfx they introduced that that ultra wide aspect ratio of the old film camera yeah what was it three or four frames of a but. [01:48:12] Speaker B: Where do we post it what do we where do we display it posting it is even bad the fact that that's what i say as in like photos are to be posted where do we display it unless we can print it where are we putting these photos. [01:48:24] Speaker A: Yeah unless you print it i think. [01:48:26] Speaker B: It'S lost how good would a virtual gallery be that i can invite so i could set up a gallery virtually and i can invite everyone that watches this podcast to step into my virtual gallery i could be hanging out in there and actually talk to you and we can see huge digital prints of images from like a small collection so instead of having to put together an exhibit that costs thousands in a physical location that none of these people watching the podcast can come to because they're from all over the world i can just invite twenty thirty forty people to a digital exhibition that they wear their goggles to come into and people can. [01:49:07] Speaker A: Just tap to purchase they can just tap on the print they like and they can order what rather than you having to because a big part of the cost of holding an exhibition is actually printing and framing your works you know and hoping that you sell them to recoup the costs but this way people can just order on mass whatever. [01:49:23] Speaker B: They like yeah i think it's i don't know it's a dream and i hope it comes true or some version of it often we think about the future and we can only base it on what we've been told what you know like current tech and then trying to iterate on it and sometimes things come out of left field that we don't even see coming and you can see that sort of stuff when you watch old videos like robocop and you know videos from the eighties about the future and they're like yeah they just had no idea how it would evolve even in this short term like twenty twenty five versus nineteen eighty there's tech that we have that they couldn't even predict in those sort of futuristic movies so that's pretty cool like what's that other one demolition man is it demolition. [01:50:07] Speaker A: Man it's a great i've seen that i remember because i used to work for optus which was until a few years back was the second australian telecommunications provider so we did mobile phones smartphones and pay television but this is in the early days when smartphones were still analog that's how old i am and i remember someone came i don't know if they were from apple or some big company came to do a talk to us at work about the future of mobile phone technology and none of us believed him he was talking about watching videos on your phone and being able to do video calls with people and commerce and we just because we were all running around with these old nokias with the green screen you could play snake and that was about it you know that was that was at that stage and now look at us like there's there's nothing you can't do in your phone you know we've just set up smart housing in a smart lighting in our home and everything is now on an app you know it's just the technology is just leaps and bounds anyway i sound like an awful. [01:51:04] Speaker B: Man it's fun the smart lighting isn't it check this out so good oh yeah this one's this one's based on bahrain f one track look i'm going to cancun yeah tropical twilight now back to my colorful colorful podcast lighting that was a happy accident that i didn't want and now i'm keeping it all. [01:51:29] Speaker A: Right i think it's great you're supporting. [01:51:30] Speaker B: Pride couple of couple of comments and then we'll get back to cameras before we wrap this show up but digi frog hey dave hey dave from tasmania says camera life underpants i'll see what i can do. [01:51:44] Speaker A: Are you boxes or a brief man or a g banger or a g banger where would you. [01:51:49] Speaker B: Put the logo i'll see what i can do here where would you put your the logo what else we got xpan ratio does look great and the gfx has the resolution to do it it does and it's got the native cropping canon please it's just a firmware update give us more cropping native cropping aspect ratios in the camera so i can wander around and pretend i'm shooting an xpan please because sixteen by nine is just a video format give me like a really wide panoramic crop give us option it doesn't have to be limited to just five yeah it's just software in camera it's just software because then it applies to the jpegs the raws have the cropping frame lines in lightroom so it comes in cropped but the whole image is still there you know that's what happens when you select you know aps c crop mode in the in the r five mark ii you know it crops in comes into lightroom cropped but it's all still there you can zoom back out you can change it so but give us so we can see when we're wandering around through the evf this way that we want to see the world help me be more creative please give it to me cost nothing other than a bit of dev time put it in all your cameras come on need to catch up this goes for any of the other brands that don't do it too i don't don't know if sony does it or whoever it's basically only fuji and who else panasonic lim two thousand one burger says panasonic has the sixty five to twenty five crop i think don't don't know rudy says i just got a pair of i don't know what's this what's vitu glasses pretty good my image is in three d wow i don't know what those are have you heard of those no i haven't. [01:53:34] Speaker A: Heard of that brand i've been seeing some brands because i'm a gamer that plays bit of switch there's a there's a company that does a couple of companies now plus a thousand temu versions that do these glasses that basically create like a cinema sized screen but in. [01:53:49] Speaker B: Your glasses this is for switch two greg i'll pull it up this is exactly what these vertua ones are might be that yeah i don't oh my gosh it come up with a pop up i don't even know what it is i don't want to pop up yet whoa okay let's see if we can get a visual on these yep the best just got better the virtua luma series wow look at the imagery whoa our website's so outdated compared to this but we are we do make leather camera straps as opposed to really technical classes so i guess that's fine for them to for our website to be a bit more chill look at. [01:54:29] Speaker A: That controller four d what's four d. [01:54:32] Speaker B: What'S the extra dimension smell maybe it. [01:54:35] Speaker A: Sprays water on you if you're watching porn yeah. [01:54:41] Speaker B: Rodney nicholson says i'd love a waterproof set i assume you're at the current part of the show why would they need to be waterproof rodney. [01:54:49] Speaker A: What'S going on there rodney i know you live by the sea and you're a sea dog but come on tarius. [01:54:54] Speaker B: Says i know about those i've been thinking about getting there those cinema glasses they seem cool but kind of limited in use for now yeah i'm sure because it's early it's early you know like there's going to be a lot of iterations on this stuff so it's like don't jump on it if it if you're yeah not sure you know yeah because because this these will probably be outdated in a year you know but it's very cool rodney wants them. [01:55:18] Speaker A: So he can surf with them ah. [01:55:19] Speaker B: Right i thought it was something more nefarious dave says justin can we shoot five four on the r three now i think we can only shoot three four three four three two square one to one and sixteen by nine i think that's it oh and the one point six crop in which again it's like why just one point six i know that's because what an aps c cannon sensor is and that's all they think but we could have multiple digital crops like everyone else is putting in in fixed lens cameras you know like punch in it doesn't have to just be one point six anyway well you. [01:55:57] Speaker A: Know what would be really cool is to have some industry standards have some extras and then have custom oh custom. [01:56:05] Speaker B: Crops well i mean you can do. [01:56:07] Speaker A: It in lightroom and photoshop so why not do it in camera you know what i mean like if you're gonna create the option to create a crop line you still get the full sensor readout but for shooting purposes you want a very specific ratio then imagine being able to dial in a custom yeah. [01:56:23] Speaker B: I think maybe not custom because that might be very hard for them to do software wise with a lot of potential bugs and stuff but i do like why not so give us a ten to twenty options everything from different aspect ratios to also punch in a one point one a one point two or one point three you know like crops up to a two x crop yeah that you can see in the evf and then have it like canon do with a lot of this stuff where you can select or deselect them those options from the crop menu so that if you don't want to see and if you only want to see three oh sometimes i shoot squares sometimes i shoot pano well then that's cool and then if you want to cycle through all of them then that's cool too you know like favorites that can. [01:57:07] Speaker A: Pop up in your quick menu and. [01:57:08] Speaker B: That'S how they do it with autofocus modes and all that stuff you can deselect anything that's not relevant to you that's how it should be because then you're not scrolling through a million options but cropping has just been an aspect ratios has been left behind by the bigger brands like canon i don't know. [01:57:26] Speaker A: Yep. [01:57:29] Speaker B: Iktario says i've always liked the way canon only used nikon due to it being available at the time canon the only thing turning me off from canon mirrorless is their lack of physical lack of physical buttons it's got a ton of buttons what are you talking about on the r five mark ii they got buttons everywhere oh you mean maybe compared to fuji the fuji's more traditional style physical dials and buttons as opposed to can canon's very ergonomic in a different way fuji fuji's ergonomic in a classic sense canon's ergonomic in like. [01:58:06] Speaker A: Yeah a modern sense you know we. [01:58:08] Speaker B: Yeah we've had thousands of pro photographers iterate on the one series bodies for decades this is exactly where that button should go exactly this is what they. [01:58:19] Speaker A: Want this is what they demand is what they love yeah yeah when you're. [01:58:22] Speaker B: Shooting sports the fastest way to do things is with this button to be right here yeah and it's a different thing to fuji they're both good in their own ways but they've they've got their own design philosophy fizz around yeah but but canon's got a ton of physical inputs and that's that's one of the reasons i really like them and. [01:58:37] Speaker A: I think you know going back to this this sony this rx one r mark iii again putting a mode switch on instead of a physical shutter button i i look forward to the day where they make mode switches a little lcd in their own and you can change what actually appears on it you can have it as an iso like dial you can have it as a shutter speed dial as a mode switch as a film sim switch and it will it's an led and it it will actually put the characters in it. [01:59:06] Speaker B: Could you imagine the dial on the. [01:59:08] Speaker A: Dial you can make it whatever you. [01:59:09] Speaker B: Want expensive taste greg that sounds like that sounds hard to hear first folks. [01:59:16] Speaker A: Five years they'll have digital dials i. [01:59:19] Speaker B: Don'T know i don't know about that ektari says good night for now thanks for the inputs yeah thank you thanks very much for joining us in the chat make sure if you get a chance subscribe subscribe and please give give this episode a like as well because that really helps every time someone likes this episode youtube shows our next episode to more people and that will help us grow the channel and we just want to grow the channel because we want more people in the chat because then we've got more oh look at this new subscriber iktarius just subscribed to your channel but yeah how good's that thanks thank you very much yeah give us a like it really does help i know every youtube channel always say that but it literally is like it sees that people like what we do and then it's like i'll show it to a few more people see if they like it and and that's how we'll eventually have a chat that's just going crazy and we can build a bit of a community and have fun. [02:00:08] Speaker A: It'S going to be good that that's where we try to differentiate ourselves folks is that we we like the likes because it actually helps us expand the community not not necessarily just the the whole you know oh i need more likes for the analytics sort of thing because the more people that see it the more people join the more people get involved in the chat have questions answered you know just have a good time and just talk shop we all love talking about photography and this is the opportunity to do it live on youtube so yeah make sure you stick. [02:00:37] Speaker B: Around yeah thank you very much everybody says love the show thanks rudy really appreciate you and i'm not even kidding if you ever want to come on give us a shout out we love people that have had long long careers in the photography industry we've had. [02:00:53] Speaker A: Rodney. [02:00:53] Speaker B: Nicholson'S name rodney nicholson fifty one years in the industry amazing interview go back and have a listen to that if you want to hear a few stories yeah andrew chapman same massive career his full interview will be coming up later in the year we'll get some cool people coming up on thursdays but there's a ton in our back catalog so go and have a listen yeah rudy. [02:01:14] Speaker A: Says he'd love to yay do you want to give him your email address. [02:01:18] Speaker B: Email me justin luckystraps dot com just just so we've got your contact details let us know and then we'll organize something i'll be in touch and lim two thousand one burger says whoops thought i was subscribed yeah i think that's one of those things it's like i i listen to a heap of stuff on youtube and i forget to subscribe you love it and it's like you just don't i don't know sometimes it gives it to you if there's a new show and sometimes it doesn't whereas if you subscribe and do the notification thing you always see it so thank you thanks patrick and thanks rudy rodney they're better than a book yeah good on you rodney cool is that about. [02:01:55] Speaker A: It i think we've pretty much covered everything we want to about this particular camera like justin said earlier guys stick around and just stick around like subscribe and hit the bell button so you get notified like today for example was a completely random show the camera dropped overnight for us here in australia so we i woke up this morning to a very early text message from justin saying let's do a podcast and the best way to let you know that that's happening is by being subscribed and having the bell icon selected so you get notified of all of our upcoming videos but every monday night we have a random photography show and that's seven thirty pm australian eastern time is for us so you can work out the math for where you are and we just talk shop like this we talk about photography we talk about projects every now and then we might have a guest on to talk about something that's coming up them and then every thursday morning nine am australian eastern standard time we have an interview every week live with a photographer to talk about their genre their work their history what got them into photography and much much more. [02:03:01] Speaker B: Which actually is tomorrow as as philip has rightly pointed out he says thanks gents until tomorrow morning literally in less than twenty four hours we'll be going live live with where is it make sure i get the name right live with brett wood who is a professional full time landscape photographer mainly focusing in new zealand and australia epic work from new zealand i'm going to new zealand in a few weeks so i'm going to pump in for information about where i should go and we'll just have a chat to him about what life like life is like as a professional landscape photographer he runs workshops he's traveled the world amazing images so yeah join us if you want for brett wood tomorrow or listen back later and then we've got other great ones coming up. [02:03:44] Speaker A: Too so yeah and guys this is this is the camera live podcast this is actually episode ninety eight there's quite a back catalog of videos interviews and random photography shows for us to go for you to go back and you know waste a whole day at work really just watching videos if you can get away with it i say do. [02:04:03] Speaker B: It exactly and don't forget if you need a leather camera strap you know where to go to luckystraps dot com we make them here in bendigo australia we ship them all over the world including the us and apparently no tariffs on them as yet but we don't really know what the deal is but you buy them and so far no one's been getting hit with tariffs but if you do let us know and we'll we'll figure that out for you. [02:04:25] Speaker A: If you use code greg at the checkout g r e g you'll get a fifteen percent discount that's the least i can do for you well at least that's the least that justin would let me do for you you know. [02:04:38] Speaker B: What i should do that we never do on this show is actually like one thing that i never tell people about is so we make these leather this one's a custom one that i had made to pretend that i was media with this gold you can actually get your logo and stuff done in this embossing gold foil silver foil even just plain black but anyway getting away from that soft leather leather with padding inside rolled edges really really comfortable but the important thing is it's got a quick release system that we designed ourselves that means you have to leave nothing on the camera it fits canon slot type but also the little triangular rings on nikon and stuff like that so it threads through threads through i can't really show you because of my stupid canon focusing threads through the camera and back onto this little hook that we designed on the clip can't do it because i can't hold onto everything at once anyway oh no wrong person you took me away i'm so sorry anyway so it threads through but this webbing that we use to make it that you can't really see is made from dyneema which is cut resistant so makes it a lot harder for people to steal it's abrasion resistant should last for ages and then also it has a little safety lock on it too so it's almost impossible for someone to pinch your camera if you've got the strap across your body and you're wandering around the streets of rome or somewhere cool so check that out check out our quick release system with safety locks dyneema webbing cut resistance load tested to fifty kilos one hundred fifteen pounds yeah there's. [02:06:15] Speaker A: Even a video out there of justin swinging his q three on yeah on a lucky strap swinging there is in. [02:06:21] Speaker B: The air there is that there is also a video of me showing you the cut resistant webbing and comparing it to my d eight hundred fifty i think nikon strap that is not cut resistant and how easy that is to chop with a pair of scissors so yeah it's we've spent we've been making camera straps for eleven years now like i said we make them here in bendigo they're australian made certified australian made with the australian made logo ship them all over the world to great photographers we've got over well over a thousand five star reviews i don't even know where it's at at the moment and we've also within the last week i think it was shipped our twenty thousandth order congratulations which is another cool milestone so yeah it's not something we talk about much on the show as you guys probably know we don't do ad reads and all that sort of stuff and since we're here and you guys are listening i thought it's probably a chance to just let you know who i am and what we do but. [02:07:19] Speaker A: Yeah and we also do wrist straps. [02:07:22] Speaker B: Smaller oh yeah that's craig's favorite is. [02:07:25] Speaker A: A wrist strap yeah i'm a wrist strap person same same quick release mechanism same quality leather and padded strap kind of person and if you want to if you want to find out more about the yeah that's lame no one does that but if you want to find out more about how these are made if you head to the luckystraps dot com website in the about section there's a blog page all the blogs that i've written for every interview that we've done on the site also about how we make these straps and it's called from our hands to yours and it's a lucky strap story so you can go check that out don't get. [02:07:58] Speaker B: Too excited about these if you've got a canon r five you can't get one only the first one thousand pre orders of the canon r five in australia got these limited edition made with canon this is where our deluxe strap came from we designed it specifically for cameras like the r five that are lightweight but have heavy lenses because they're used by professionals so yeah yeah all right we should call it that was that was the longest and probably the only ad we'll ever do john pickett says got four lucky straps three shoulder one wrist that is awesome are you doing straps for the bright festival of photography this year we are but we haven't released the details yet but we. [02:08:39] Speaker A: Will secrets we'll be there too we'll. [02:08:43] Speaker B: Be there we've got some little surprise in store wrist straps yep wrist straps are cool so yeah rodney says penguin in bondage i don't know what that's. [02:08:53] Speaker A: Referring to but you know rodney whatever you're into mate i knew that you love being by the set and i loved it that much yep on that. [02:09:02] Speaker B: Note on that note let's let's go. [02:09:06] Speaker A: We'Re gonna call it guys just a reminder this has been the camera life podcast it's been a special episode one off the books don't tell the boss okay but it's the sixteenth of july twenty twenty five this has been episode ninety eight and from justin and greg. [02:09:21] Speaker B: And say farewell yeah and if actually if you're listening back later and you want to leave a comment leave it down below on the in the youtube comments because we will get to them on monday night if you if you've got any opinions on the rx one r mark three or anything else that we've talked about throw your opinions in there so we can read them out and chat about it but otherwise thanks everybody be safe and thanks patrick thanks philip johnson thanks rodney dave jason everybody thanks for joining us today rudy even dave zarius what a chat talk soon bye everybody.