EP82 | Did We Ruin Photography? The Random Photography Show

[00:00:22] Speaker A: I could just listen to that all night. [00:00:24] Speaker B: Such a good song. [00:00:26] Speaker A: That's such a good tune. Welcome, everybody, to yet another episode of the Camera Life podcast. This is the random photography show. Although maybe it's not so random. We've got some things to discuss. We've got some. [00:00:39] Speaker B: It's getting more and more organized every week. [00:00:42] Speaker A: We're amazing, aren't we? We're such a duo. We like Batman and Robin. It is the 26th of May, and this is episode 82 on the march to 100 episodes, as well as 2,000 subscribers. Speaking of which, if you're following along and this is your first time joining us, please make sure you hit the like button. It helps out with the algorithms. And also subscribe, tickle the bell because then you get notified. What do you get notified for, Justin? [00:01:08] Speaker B: Every time we go live. Because sometimes shenanigans. Yes, shenanigans. That too. Sometimes we go live twice a week regularly, but sometimes we do a secret extra irregular show, so, you know, you don't miss it. [00:01:20] Speaker A: We are the most irregular people you could find for this show. Don't jump to some hellos already. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Yeah, there's people in the comments. Good. Good evening, Bruce. Good evening, Philip. Good evening, Rick. Good to see you all. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Guys. Welcome, welcome. [00:01:34] Speaker B: Can't wait to see what you think about tonight's. Tonight's topics that we have to talk about. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a good one. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Yeah, we've got a bit to cover, actually. [00:01:42] Speaker B: I'm excited to see what Bruce thinks about that one of them because Bruce wasn't around for our Friday show, so, you know, I think he might have some hot takes maybe. [00:01:55] Speaker A: He might indeed. [00:01:58] Speaker B: And good evening, Brett. Great to have you all here. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Welcome, welcome one and all. [00:02:06] Speaker B: Welcome. [00:02:08] Speaker A: How. [00:02:09] Speaker B: How have you been, Greg? I haven't spoken to you for hours. [00:02:13] Speaker A: Two hours. Yeah. Good. Busy, you know, writing away my little. My little stories about cameras and lenses and photography. [00:02:23] Speaker B: Little tap, tap, tap, monkey at the typewriter thing. You get a whole lot full of those. [00:02:27] Speaker A: I. I do have a whole room of monkeys and fortunately they all know how to use AI So, yeah, the article writing stuff is a breeze for me now. [00:02:38] Speaker B: It's just so easy just cranking them out. [00:02:41] Speaker A: Just cranking them out. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Especially getting AI to write the articles for unreleased cameras. That's. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's genius. Absolutely genius. Anyway, enough about AI for now. We'll get to more of that a little bit later. But how about you? How are you doing? [00:02:56] Speaker B: I'm good. It was A busy day, busy Monday. So just trying to get on top of things. I've got a shorter week this week. Fly up to Brisbane on Thursday afternoon straight after the Thursday podcast. So trying to fit, fit a work week kind of into Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Right, nice. So you've got a little trip to Bris Vegas. Any hot plans? What are your hot plans? [00:03:20] Speaker B: We're up there for a CrossFit competition. Just, just to. Just a view. Not to participate. That'd be madness. So yeah, we're kind of. That's our weekend. Few friends. We're just, you know, we're up there for the Friday, Saturday, Sunday and then back home again. Just a quick, quick one. [00:03:38] Speaker A: Just a quickie in Bris Vegas. Yeah, I think we've all been there, haven't we? We've all had a quickie in Bris Vegas. He's gone suddenly quiet. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Anyway, moving right along, I've renamed this week's first segment which used to be called Viewer Comments but now it's called Week in Review. It's going to be a bit more broad and encompassing, you know. [00:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Let me know if you like it or if, if you don't like change, that's cool too. [00:04:07] Speaker A: Yeah, if you don't like change, then I have a good number for the therapist. Highly recommend. [00:04:14] Speaker B: Shall we look at some YouTube comments? There was only a couple this week again, which is crazy because our Friday show about the Fujifilm X half was probably the biggest. The chat went insane and it was the busiest chat we've had. [00:04:28] Speaker A: It was insane. We had a lot of people watching, a lot of eyeballs on the prize. We don't know where they were coming from, but they were watching. [00:04:35] Speaker B: Everywhere was good. Now speaking of that show, how do you pronounce this at Zachary Carr. That wasn't too hard. The BF is already back ordered, I believe. So the BF being the. We were talking about this on the show, the Sigma bf, which is that fancy aluminium machined camera that only has one, one or two buttons and looks very cool but may not be that great to shoot with. It's hard to know. We haven't had our hands. [00:05:03] Speaker A: It is hard to know. [00:05:04] Speaker B: We will try but yeah, apparently they're not making many so it's already gone on back order which is I guess a good sign for Sigma taking a chance on that one. [00:05:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Speaking of cosplay cameras, I think the Sigma BF is a camera cosplaying as a MacBook Pro. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah, well. Or is it the other way around? Yeah, it's definitely got The Apple vibe going on. [00:05:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:28] Speaker B: Which is, I think cool. [00:05:31] Speaker A: I think it's cool. I like it. [00:05:33] Speaker B: Evening, Ned. Good to see you there in the comments. [00:05:36] Speaker A: Hey, Nev, what is it like lunchtime in Western Australia? In Western Australia, you and I haven't even had that. That chat we had two hours yet. Two hours ago hasn't happened. [00:05:47] Speaker B: Rick Nelson says they can only make four bfs a day. I. I thought that was seven, but I could be imagining that as well. But yeah, there was definitely a cap on what they were pumping out because they're so like the machining and all that sort of stuff and they're obviously trying to keep it fairly limited because it's not a mass appeal camera. It's going to be quite specialized, I think. [00:06:08] Speaker A: But it is. But it is interesting that. Yeah, yeah, we're going to try and get our hands on one for the channel. We're going to try and do some video and other content. But yeah, it'd be interesting to see how well the BF does. [00:06:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be a. I mean with. With other cameras coming out with more and more buttons and mechanical things on them. This one had less and less, which was bold. Definitely bold. [00:06:37] Speaker A: I dig it. [00:06:38] Speaker B: No, you dig it. You said you. [00:06:39] Speaker A: I'm all for minimal shooting. Yeah, I do want one. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyway, next comment. This is from a video that I did last year when I was doing a video a day. The video is called testing the Canon R5 Mark II autofoc Point of View Mountain bike, sports photography. And I was making a video every day. This was a video I did with a GoPro on my chest while I was shooting a paid shoot for a client where I have two hours, usually with a rider who's also getting paid to get out and shoot both photo and video content enough to pull together a full review article and full review video for a new mountain bike that's being released. That's what I do often for a company called Flow Mountain Bike. You'll find them on YouTube and the web and all that stuff. Anyway, so I made that video. Nev Clark remembers that video. [00:07:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Love you, Nev. [00:07:32] Speaker B: Anyway, the comment from richmid100 says, why didn't you do some with off camera flash? You would have gotten much more dramatic images. Your shots here look rather washed out and flat. Try to push your envelope and don't stay in your comfort zone. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Yeah, Justin, you should have had a coffee in hand at the same time. [00:07:52] Speaker B: Thanks. Thanks, Rich. I do. I see what you're saying, Rich. And yes, you can get Quite cool and dramatic shots using off camera flash. I have done that before. Kind of hard. When you're shooting hybrid photo video in a couple of hours and you're like, everything's on my back in a backpack and we're on bikes. We're not like cruising around with a car or wheelie bags. And that's not a studio. It's not a studio. And I know I can do quick and dirty light off camera flash. So I could take flashes with me. But you gotta imagine setting up for, you know, setting up for a shot for video. You're gonna set up similar. A similar shot for photo. And you're not gonna do the same thing if you're gonna light flash. So I'd be doing two completely separate shots for photo and video if I was using off camera flash. And it would slow everything down way more. The rider would be like, dude, I don't have this kind of time. I'd end up delivering way less images, less variety. And not to mention the client doesn't do the off camera flash look. They like their look to be more natural, to feature the trails and that kind of stuff. But I appreciate you telling me to get out of my envelope and push my comfort zone or something like that. The shots looking rather washed out and flat. I don't know if you saw in the video, but they all JPEG straight out of camera and I thought they looked pretty good. So bring it. Bruce Miles says he has a point. Just. That is just phoning it in and excuses. Yeah, they were all excuses. I'd practiced those before the show. Yelena says she's, she's. Hang on, what's this? Watching by myself on the Facebook Live. Oh, you're on the Facebook Live feed and it's not exciting over the ear. There's no chat on Facebook. Like, except for. Hang on, Ian Thompson was there. Good evening, Ian. Facebook, good to see you. So now Ian Thompson's watching there by himself because Yolanda left. And finally Nev Clark says sports with off camera. LOL. Let's chuck an 80 centimeter softbox on the bike. That'll work. Yeah, I mean you'd have to use. I used. If I've done it, I've used a reflector usually not a softbox. Unless we're doing something just for one shot. You know, going out there to get one cool shot. Not. Not an entire series of images anyway. [00:10:08] Speaker A: Yeah, but that would be cool to put a SO box on the front of the bike. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Well, we could try it. [00:10:15] Speaker A: Big octagon. [00:10:16] Speaker B: I could Fly it with my drone. And finally, the drunk wedding photographer. I actually was telling him how my on the show, that is my Nikon F5 wouldn't turn on because the contacts were dirty. And he says use one of them corrosion removal pens to clean the contacts. Usually all it needs. And I didn't realize those were a thing. I tried cleaning it with like some steel wool and stuff. But I'll go and try and find a corrosion removal pen, I'm guessing from somewhere like JCAR or an electronic store and I'll. I'll figure that out. Thank you. Drunk wedding photographer. Nev Clark is on a treadmill laughing. And no one in the gym can understand why I'm laughing. Oh, that's awesome. You're at the gym. Get it done, Nev. Nice work. And you're listening to us. Yeah, go faster. Put it up to 11. [00:11:04] Speaker A: Yeah, come on. [00:11:07] Speaker B: Get out of your comfort zone. [00:11:09] Speaker A: Open your envelope. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Don't just stay on the treadmill, go on the stair stepper too. Yep, come on, push your envelope. Okay, what else we can review. [00:11:20] Speaker A: A couple of things. [00:11:21] Speaker B: Last week we had a really cool Thursday guest. [00:11:24] Speaker A: We had a great Thursday guest. Andrew Ravenko, Ukrainian born, Melbourne based fine art photographer, talked about, joined us to talk about his originally unintentional large format and medium format film photography project called the Rocket Girls Chronic. The Rocket Girl Chronicles. Basically it was during the sixth lockdown of the pandemic here in Melbourne. Melbourne had I think the world's longest lockdowns. When you combine all the days together. We had multiple lockdowns and during the sixth one where it all sort of turned to poo, he started going on walks with his daughter. And his daughter was into space and everything. Space and astronauts. So he and his wife made her a spacesuit complete with I think it was a paper mache helmet might be wrong but. And took a. Proceeded over the course of lockdown to go on walks with his daughter. And obviously lockdown you're only allowed to walk. There weren't that many people out. There was no traffic. There was no, you know, no one really. And captured these amazing fine art images on large and medium format cameras. Or was it just the large. [00:12:34] Speaker B: No, no, most of it was with the. What was it? The 67. So medium form. Most of it was. He was only sort of progressing into large format more recently. But yeah, most of it was with the medium format film. [00:12:50] Speaker A: The six by seven. [00:12:51] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:52] Speaker A: Anyway, so wonderful chat and I think for me that. And I emailed him today to thank him for being a guest on the show, I do that with all our guests. I touch base and. And offer a little thank you gift on behalf of lucky straps in the camera life. And we, we had a chat and I said, you know, for me, what really stood out about your story and your telling of your story was that you were. You weren't recounting necessarily a photography project. You were recounting a really precious time that you spent with your family. You know, it was a really tricky time here. Well, was globally, but we had lots of lockdowns, lots of restrictions, curfews at night. Like, it was really full on. But he dedicated his time to spending what time he could with his young daughter and with his wife and to take her out and see the world when the world had shut down. So for me, his story was all about family and family time. And that's really powerful, I think, because it, it was an undercurrent throughout his telling of the story, and it was definitely an undercurrent of the Rocket Girl Chronicles project. So. So, yeah, go back and watch that one, guys. It was last Thursday. Andrew Ravenko, he's also got a book that he made of it. And that book itself, I mean, he won awards for the Rocket Girl Chronicles. [00:14:10] Speaker B: He said. So he was on the show. He said his work is currently getting exhibited. Was it in Argentina or somewhere? [00:14:17] Speaker A: Yeah, somewhere in South America. [00:14:19] Speaker B: So it's getting exhibited at a place he's never been to. Basically, he sends them the digital files and they print them and curate an exhibition of his work in a gallery on the other side of the world, which is insane to me. [00:14:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And so he created a book for it too, a beautiful coffee table book. And that ended up winning awards. [00:14:41] Speaker B: Yeah, several awards. The list of the awards were, like, from all over the world as well. I was reading through. Yeah, oh, my God, this guy's. And he gets on there and he's like, I'm not a real photographer. I don't, you know, I just. I just do this for fun. So I'm not like, you know, the other photographers you have on the show. I was like, dude, your work is very humble. Yeah, very, very humble. So definitely worth a listen. And it gets you thinking about how, you know, sometimes we're searching for projects to do and often they come out of the something that you're not even thinking about being a project, and it just naturally evolves. And that's where the magic was for him. He wasn't searching for a photography project when he started doing this? [00:15:27] Speaker A: No, no, it just, it just Sort of came into being. All these little points connected at the right time for him and his family, obviously. And that's what came of it. I think it's a. It's a really beautiful silver lining story from a shitty time. Yeah, you know. [00:15:42] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. [00:15:43] Speaker A: So, yeah, so that was great. [00:15:45] Speaker B: And that was. The other thing is I. I really think the. The. Because I wasn't exposed to the work, it got really popular during COVID because of what was happening in the world. I never actually saw the images during COVID and so I was exposed to them well, well, after Covid was over. And yeah, it completely stands on its own. It wouldn't have even mattered to me when they were made. It doesn't. You know, it's more. The feel in each image is so. I don't know, otherworldly and also whimsical and fun. Most of them make you smile. It's. It's, yeah. Super, super good work. Very, very unique. [00:16:23] Speaker A: So check it out. [00:16:24] Speaker B: Bruce says he's looking forward to catching that interview over the next couple of days. Stupid work requires things. It's so inconvenient. [00:16:32] Speaker A: Responsibilities. [00:16:33] Speaker B: I know. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Unbelievable. [00:16:37] Speaker B: And. Yeah, well, the other show we had was our surprise show where you talked through your review of the Fujifilm X half. But we'll. We'll recap that in one of the later segments a little bit. All right, go over now. [00:16:52] Speaker A: I'll put a pin in it as a court. [00:16:55] Speaker B: Put a pin in it. I've also got some stuff from the Lucky Straps mailbox. I'm expanding this section to include that. So first of all, let me read this one out. [00:17:04] Speaker A: This is. [00:17:06] Speaker B: Yeah, viewer letters by the name of Robert Horton. And he says, hey, guys, my order arrived today and the strap looks great on its attachment to the Nikon F2 that I purchased back in 1972. So this guy bought an F2 brand new in 72 and he's only just. [00:17:27] Speaker A: Got a lucky strap? [00:17:28] Speaker B: Yeah, up until this point, he's been no strap. Terrible. I think. I think it's a fitting strap for the old timer. I also have a Nikon F from 1968, and it looks like it might need a lucky strap as well. Regards, Rob. Now, he also included a picture. That's why I've got. Why I'm doing this. Let me bring this up. Check this beast out. Look at it. [00:17:59] Speaker A: That's phenomenal. [00:18:01] Speaker B: Nice. Right? [00:18:02] Speaker A: Now, what strap is that on it there, Justin? [00:18:04] Speaker B: It's a Deluxe 45. That. My only criticism to Robert is his name's upside down. He's had it personalized, and then his name's upside down, his photo. So that makes me sad. But other than that. Look at that thing. [00:18:18] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:20] Speaker B: Hasn't been used until he got the strap. Yeah, it's just been sitting on the. [00:18:24] Speaker A: Shelf, just been waiting for the right. [00:18:25] Speaker B: Strap, waiting for the right strap to come on. [00:18:28] Speaker A: But, yeah, we've all been there. [00:18:29] Speaker B: It's so. [00:18:30] Speaker A: Oh, look at that lens. What is that lens? [00:18:33] Speaker B: It's a zoom in a bit, you can see 50 mil. 50 mil, 1.4. Nikkor SC auto. 50 mil, 1.4. I can almost read the serial number to skits, you know. Very nice, very nice. Anyway, some of the cool stuff we get in the. In the inbox. Oh, and. And this is a belated inbox. Nev. Clark says, Sexy, and Paul says, I got my bfop lucky strap to go on the K1000, but it subsequently moved to the R5. Yeah, nice. Yeah, it's a good match for the R5. Okay. [00:19:14] Speaker A: So you know what I found? With multiple cameras, it's just easier to have multiple straps. [00:19:20] Speaker B: You trying to do it? [00:19:22] Speaker A: No, I'm not doing an average. I'm just. I've just discovered that, you know, rather than bouncing my lucky strap, because I only use wrist straps, the deluxe wrist straps, rather than bouncing my lucky strap from one camera to the other, because I generally only walk out the door with one, I have two straps. I mean, granted, I'm privileged. I work for the brand. So, anyway, yeah, use code. Greg, get a second strap. [00:19:43] Speaker B: Don't use code. Yes, Yelena said use code. Greg. Yelena, come on. [00:19:48] Speaker A: And you're. Later. [00:19:51] Speaker B: So another one from the lucky mailbox. This one I actually missed was from weeks ago. So after we had Dean Cooper's episode, we ended up at some point chatting about infrared cameras. And a legend by the name of David Leporati sent me an email because we were talking about hotspots and all that sort of stuff and conversions. And he basically sent me an email with a heap of links with some information about dealing with infrared hotspots, choice of infrared filter conversion, which lenses are compatible, and all that sort of stuff. And here we go. Let me just read this part. There are four main infrared filter conversions available. I mentioned that I had a Fuji XE2 converted by imaging Design Melbourne, but I don't know if they do it anymore. There's a website in the US called LifePixel.com that do these conversions, and they've got a lot of information and samples. A few more links to a couple other Great websites. But then he also said, oh, this is interesting. When a camera is converted, it needs to be calibrated for a lens and is set with a custom white balance. I didn't realize that either. So it has to. You have to choose the lens when you convert a camera for. For infrared photography. Does that sound right? That's what he said. Am I reading that right? [00:21:15] Speaker A: I don't know. I think we need crackers. Carrick on board too. Yeah, maybe we need to get Greg and David on. [00:21:23] Speaker B: Well, I want to get David on because basically then David said also there's a bit more work on my website if you want to see some more examples of infrared images. And I was like, okay, let me check this out. I'm going to bring up his website because I was like, these photos are very cool. So he's got a whole gallery of infrared black and white images that he's taken with the X E2 and also 400D, Canon EOS, 400D. And I just love that, I love that look. [00:21:57] Speaker A: It's crazy, isn't it? [00:21:59] Speaker B: So punchy, so punchy, you know, like these sort of random streetscapes and things. [00:22:07] Speaker A: Look at that. [00:22:08] Speaker B: And it just, just changes the way everything looks. I feel like it would be really a really fun. Just get out and see everything completely different again. It would be like learning photography again. [00:22:20] Speaker A: You would photograph everything, wouldn't you? You'd go through that just, just to see. [00:22:23] Speaker B: Just to see what. [00:22:24] Speaker A: It looks very. Yeah, yeah. [00:22:27] Speaker B: So I really enjoy it. Wasn't until I saw it. And he's got a whole gallery of color as well. But which, which is fun too. But it wasn't until I saw it, you know, with these really dramatic skies and the contrast and stuff. I'm like, I need to, I need to do this at some stage. I just don't know what, you know, what camera and all that sort of stuff. [00:22:46] Speaker A: But gosh, it takes me back to my film days. [00:22:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:53] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyway, so that was very cool. And then I was like, I wonder. So it's got About David on here. Anyway, David says in his about page, sorry, David, I didn't tell him I was going to read this stuff out on the podcast if you happen to be listening now or later on. But it says, I've worked in many areas of photography for more than 47 years. And he originally started by joining the RAAF, which is the Royal Australian Air Force, to be a photographer. So trained at the RAAF to be a photographer, used tons of cameras, lots of film. It goes through everything Moved to Fujifilm in 2015, which will make Greg happy, and then got, you know, got into infrared. So we're going to try and get him on the podcast. He sounds like he'd be a really interesting guest and has been very, very helpful with his knowledge on infrared. [00:23:45] Speaker A: Speaking of knowledge, couple of comments, young Bruce. No, actually, Yena. Yena. Yelena. Sorry, Elena. Use code. Greg. In case anyone missed it earlier, Bruce has said, yum. Big fan of infrared and black and white. And then he's also gone on to say autofocus wouldn't be accurate on a conversion, I would expect. Are you talking about the lens? Are you talking about. Because the sensor has changed. Bruce, let us know what you. What you mean by that one. [00:24:15] Speaker B: And I wonder how does that work with mirrorless. Yeah, because it's on sensor. Yeah. Interesting. [00:24:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Lucinda Goodwin. Hey. Lucinda's joining us on Thursday morning for a chat, so make sure you tune in for that one. Guys. Camera Clinic used to convert infrared. Pretty sure they still do. They are in. Is that easy Or Essay Street, Collingwood. I think it's Essay if it's Collins. [00:24:39] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe Camera Clinic. I'll do this later. I'm just getting ahead, you know, so I don't forget. Thanks, Lucinda. [00:24:48] Speaker A: Good hot tip. [00:24:51] Speaker B: And yeah, I think that's. Is that pretty much it for the week in review? [00:24:54] Speaker A: I think that is the record review. I didn't really get out with my camera at all. [00:24:59] Speaker B: I did. I. I got out with the. This one. We'll talk about that later. [00:25:07] Speaker A: Okay, good. Nice segue. All right. [00:25:11] Speaker B: Bruce says wavelength is different and. And some would be cut depending on the conversion. Also depends on phase or contrast. Focus. Yeah, okay, but I could be talking out of my ass. Yeah, well, that's all we do. [00:25:23] Speaker A: It's all about the confidence, Bruce. It doesn't matter what. What bullshit you're saying. It's all about the confidence. Just look at any politician. [00:25:32] Speaker B: We're definitely. Yeah, we're definitely going to have to do it, though. We're gonna have to try this. Wow. Camera. Is this their current website? Oh, my gosh. [00:25:43] Speaker A: Bring it up. Bring it up. [00:25:45] Speaker B: Can I do this to them? I probably can. It'll be worth it. I'm getting there. Bear with me, folks. Here I come. This is Camera Clinics. [00:26:02] Speaker A: What? Yeah. [00:26:04] Speaker B: Straight from the 70s. Yeah. Hey, I mean, they do good work, so I don't really care, but I was just like, this is. Oh, wow. [00:26:12] Speaker A: There's no need for a Wayback Machine for this one. [00:26:15] Speaker B: No, it just doesn't change. You go way back Way back. Just the same. It's one of the first websites, but they obviously get so much work that they don't need a fancy website. Because when you need an expert, you need an expert. [00:26:33] Speaker A: Although looking at that website, that is a website designed by someone that's very technically minded. It's all laid out very accurately. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:40] Speaker A: It just doesn't replicate the sort of websites we're used to, which are light and fluffy. [00:26:46] Speaker B: And larger. But. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, interesting. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Designed to fit older monitors. [00:26:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:54] Speaker B: Okay. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Vertical. Oh, vertical. [00:26:56] Speaker B: Vertical. [00:26:57] Speaker A: Hey, vertical. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's all the rage. [00:27:01] Speaker A: That's all the kids are talking about. Vertical, vertical, vertical. Let's talk news and rumors. [00:27:07] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, hang on, let me move us through with my sound effect. That was the wrong one. I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. It was an accident. [00:27:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, they're both. [00:27:19] Speaker B: One's yellow and one's green. Anyway. [00:27:22] Speaker A: All right. Gonna get Justin's label maker for Christmas, folks. What news have we got? A couple of little things we talked last week about. I think we talked about. Was it Leica, Canon. And then Sony announced price increases due to the U.S. tariff and the economic uncertainty. Well, it turns out that Nikon are also looking at increasing their prices for any products made in China because of the tariffs. So apparently none of their camera bodies are made in China. They're made in Vietnam or Thailand. Anyway, Jim will know. Jim, can you look on the bottom of your camera and tell us where it's made? But a lot of lenses and accessories are made in China and. Yeah, they're putting their prices up, too, so it seems. Everybody's doing it. [00:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:17] Speaker A: Not a fun fad. Not at all. [00:28:19] Speaker B: They're doing it. Hang on. They're doing it everywhere. Or they're doing it in the U.S. [00:28:24] Speaker A: In the U.S. only at this stage. [00:28:25] Speaker B: In the U.S. only. Okay. Well, that's good. [00:28:27] Speaker A: Yeah. All the brands are starting to fall asleep. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Sorry, US people. But. [00:28:31] Speaker A: Yeah, but you know, you voted for it. What else? The humble little SD card celebrates 25 years. That's pretty amazing how quickly that time has gone because what. [00:28:47] Speaker B: What was. But does anyone remember Sony memory sticks? How cool they were? [00:28:51] Speaker A: Yeah, but they're expensive. [00:28:53] Speaker B: That were expensive. [00:28:54] Speaker A: I think my first one was four megabytes. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Yeah. And they didn't really. They didn't get compatibility, did they? [00:29:00] Speaker A: No, but they. Some of them. But weren't some of them long sticks, but then others were short and you had to buy an adapter to make them long again? [00:29:11] Speaker B: I only remember the long stick. [00:29:12] Speaker A: Maybe I'll think of something else. Yeah, I'm sure they had also had short ones and you could put them into a little adapter because I had them for my. My first, my first digital camera was a Sony Cyber shot was silver and it was kind of long like this and the lens was at one end like this. Didn't have a screen. I can't even remember if it had a screen but it was like a brick. And I thought it was really sexy because it was slick and silver and like early Apple kind of design. But before that was compact Flash. [00:29:49] Speaker B: Well, I've actually just. Hang on, I've just found a website that's put this together nicely for us. Greg Carrick says yes, I have a short one with an adapter. So there you go. [00:30:01] Speaker A: Thanks Greg. [00:30:02] Speaker B: Paul says those sticks were weird. I agree. And hang on, let me bring this up. This instead, this is from Photo Shelter. So who knows whether it's gonna be good or not. Cause they just, they sell software but they've put this article up and it basically it's the articles before SD cards we save photos on these. And it says 1988 Fuji MC1P used a card. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Wow, it looks like an old SIM card. Remember when SIM cards used to come on like a credit card size and you'd pop them out. Do they still do that? I don't know but that's what it looks like. [00:30:53] Speaker B: 89 Fuji X memory card. Fuji was doing some memory cards. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Yeah. That were pretty, pretty savvy in the early days. [00:31:03] Speaker B: Eight megabit SRAM. Then compact flash 1994. Very nice. The miniature card by Intel AMD, Fujitsu and sharp back. The miniature card aka mini card. But you'll likely have never seen one in this format because it was more ah yeah, like digital audio recorders and handheld PCs. Okay. Smart Media card. Interesting. Multimedia. [00:31:36] Speaker A: Multimedia, yep. Is that basically the sd? It is, isn't it? [00:31:42] Speaker B: It looks like it, but it doesn't say. Well, hang on. 20 years would have been 25 years would have been 2000. Good, good maths. So we're getting to it. We're getting to it. It looks very similar. Oh no, we need someone else to run this show with Greg. Hey, I can't do it. [00:32:03] Speaker A: Let me just show you these comments. It's funny. So, so Greg Carrick has said three and a quarter inch floppies and then Lucinda has said those floppy disc cameras were epic. And then almost instantly at the same time, Bruce said those floppy cameras were crazy. [00:32:21] Speaker B: Yeah, everyone's, everyone's keen on the floppies. So Sony memory stick that's the long, the long skinny one. [00:32:29] Speaker A: That's the long ones. Yeah. [00:32:30] Speaker B: 1999 micro drive with IBM as the world moves to solid state, IBM along with Hitachi decided the miniature spinning drives that miniature spinning drives stay at a place in the world. These tiny 1 inch drives fit into the compact flash slots. But reliability and durability issues made this storage impractical. Microdrives all but ceased to exist by early 2006. Wow. So that's a compact flash sized spinny disc. [00:33:00] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:33:01] Speaker B: That's cool. [00:33:02] Speaker A: Imagine putting that in your camera. Oh you'd worry, take off and blow. [00:33:06] Speaker B: Up, have those sounds that they used to make when the discs were spinning. Yeah, yeah. That's cool. Okay. [00:33:13] Speaker A: SD 1999 those drives were used for ipods apparently. [00:33:17] Speaker B: Really? Those early drives, no ipods were solid today. [00:33:22] Speaker A: He could be talking out of his ass again. Paul said my 256 megabit CF card cost $220 duty free in Japan back in 2003. And that was cheap. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Wow. [00:33:38] Speaker A: 256 meg. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Great. Garrick. Hang on. I've got to defrag my stick. Defragging. Don't have to do that anymore really do you? Bruce says you have one. Are you serious? [00:33:53] Speaker A: He's an audio guy. There's no surprises there. [00:33:57] Speaker B: Spinny disc thing. I still think he might be messing with me. The XD card. I remember that the Olympus xd. Olympus and Fujifilm teamed up to create a proprietary format as a competitor to sd. Whoops. Poor adoption. Undoubtedly hurt by the proprietary licensing scheme. Yes, but yeah, so Fuji's had a crack at quite a few medias then cfast boom, XQD fast and then that's. [00:34:32] Speaker A: XQD is a Sony only thing, isn't it? [00:34:36] Speaker B: Yeah but now it's CF Express. Like they fit into the same slot. No, you're think sorry, Sony only. No, you're thinking CF Express type A versus type B. XQD and CF Express type B. Or if I might have those backwards, I don't know are the same shape but they use different like architecture. XQDs aren't as fast and they're basically gone now. We use them in the Nikons a lot. So anyway that was random and unplanned but good learnings for all of us. Yeah, XQD was Nikon. Yeah and they were like, they were good. I, I much prefer a lot of people complain about those formats, like various formats changing in different cameras and stuff but I really like the durability of XQD and CF Express type B, compared to an SD card, they just, they're much more solid course like. Yeah, yeah, they just feel way better. They don't break. And now that the prices come down, they're actually for, for high performing cards, I think they're cheaper. For high performing, larger cards, they're cheaper than sds, I'm pretty sure. [00:35:47] Speaker A: Yeah. It's fascinating, isn't it that during that, that those initial two decades of camera tech being developed that no one, there was a couple of little collaborations like Fuji and Panasonic and you know, trying to develop their own proprietary system and you know, SD won the day. But it's just interesting to see how desperate they were to have their own lead the market. [00:36:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And to license it and be like, hey, we made this. If you want to use it, you have to pay us. And yeah, but if it doesn't catch on, then it was all not wasted, I guess. But it was just, you know, they don't get that big payoff. It is interesting when you look back how it all developed. [00:36:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:34] Speaker B: What else we got? Rumors. Now what do we want to talk about first? That. Well, it's not. It's like half rumor, half news. The, the. [00:36:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Let's go Rico GR4 announcement. [00:36:45] Speaker A: No, it's. It's not a rumor anymore. It's confirmed by Rico. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's news now. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Yeah. They put out the, the teaser. [00:36:53] Speaker B: How much of it's confirmed and how much of it's still rumors. When it comes to like what the. [00:36:57] Speaker A: Camera will be, pretty much nothing is confirmed. [00:37:01] Speaker B: Okay. [00:37:03] Speaker A: It's interesting and we'll. I don't know whether we should talk about this now, but basically they put out on socials and I think on their website. What does it say? There are some details, but it's all, you know, improve this and more this and it will have a 28 millimeter full frame equivalent, which is. It's an APS C camera. Obviously. It's an F 2.8. [00:37:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:29] Speaker A: I haven't said what's it called. It's got a new 24.24 megapixel image sensor. It's got a new processor. Apparently it's shifting away from stabilization to 5 axis image stabilization. So there are a few bits and pieces and apparently they are looking at making a HDF model like they did with the Ricoh GR3 where they've got seven different versions of the same camera. [00:38:00] Speaker B: Pretty much the HDF model was the one with the Misty filter, the highlight diffusion filter. That's it. Yeah, the softy filter. So did you say that the. The resolution has just had a tiny little bump but basically the same? [00:38:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it has. Compared to the three. [00:38:18] Speaker B: To the three. So it is a new sensor we would presume. Well I mean it will be a new sensor but it's not, not vastly different in terms of megapixels. The lens. I think I read somewhere that the lens is supposed to be a new design but not also not vastly different. Just one extra aperture blade or something. [00:38:38] Speaker A: Yeah, newly designed 18.3 millimeter cropped 28 millimeter F 2.8. So I mean there are some details but it's very early days. Apparently it's going to be a prototype non working, just basically a dud at an upcoming show in Japan, a photo show that's happening in Japan. I think a lot of this info went out mostly because Fujifilm on the exact same day, about an hour earlier released yet another compact camera that's got people talking. And I think GR are feeling the squeeze because Fuji have two successful compact cameras and one that's questionable remains to be seen. And we're talking of course about the Fuji X half. So I think you know, they jumped on this very quickly and got this teaser out and then later confirmed some specifications. But you know, more to come is basically their stance, which is fair enough. [00:39:44] Speaker B: People have been hanging for the GR4 and so I guess knowing that it's coming, will people get hyped up knowing that it's coming in some sort of duration, you know, say if it's later this year or whatever, people start planning to make their purchase or whatever, maybe they'll hold off from buying that other camera that they thought might do the job instead or whatever. [00:40:07] Speaker A: So yeah, because people have been hanging out for an updated GR. The GR3 has been out for quite some time. Granted they brought out the, the filtered one, the hdf and they also brought out the, what was it, the X which has got the different lens. It's got like a 40 mil equivalent lens I think at least on the GR3. Yeah, so they released. So there's the GR3, the GR3 HDF, the GR3X, the GR3X HDF and then there's a whole bunch of small special. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Edition versions, street editions and stuff, diary edition. [00:40:38] Speaker A: I think there's like three different colorways which is great. But the biggest complaint is that a lot of people couldn't get their hands on one. Yeah, especially given that the X versions are only fairly recent compared to, I mean the GR3 has been out for ages. So it's timely and it is good timing for them to get something new out because I think people are a bit frustrated with the brand. They want something a bit more punchy. They're saying that the, you know, the X100 Mark VI is, you know, pushing out 40 megapixels with, with IBIS and a, you know, Fuji's best processor. So they've got a lot to compete with when in the compact market, obviously fixed lens market. So yeah, look, I wish them well. It's a camera that I've certainly had my eye on. I've wanted to review one for ages last year. [00:41:30] Speaker B: I like the form factor. It's definitely. It's far more pocketable than the X100 despite they're not that different. But they are, I think if, you know, it's sort of the difference between could you get away with it in a jeans pocket to like, you look like a goose with an X100 in your jeans pocket. You know, like it's. If you can get it in there, it looks weird. [00:41:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Be like the 80s when I wore skinny jeans. I have my siggies. You could tell it was a siggy packet in one pocket, my Zippo lighter in the other and like they were always in there. And so it would create like a permanent crease with a faded bit the shape of box. [00:42:06] Speaker B: Can you dig up some photos of you in the 80s? [00:42:10] Speaker A: Photos of Greggy from the 80s, yeah. Anyway, okay. Tr3 Greggy in the 80s. [00:42:20] Speaker B: Some more rooms. Rumors coming in. In the chat, Greg Carrick says rumor Fujifilm are making a Fujifilm Interesting. It's. It's a current, it's a modern. It's a modern phone, but it's actually got a hand crank that you have. It doesn't do anything. But you have to wind that if you want to make a phone call. It's like a modern, but it has the vibe of vintage aesthetic. Sorry, I couldn't help it. Anyway, more rumors before we, before we move on. I don't know if it's a rumor. This is another one where I can't. I have lost track of keeping up whether they're rumors or like, what do you call them, press releases about a development announcement. Yeah. What's the deal? The Sony FX2, is that a press released announcement or is it a rumor still? [00:43:15] Speaker A: From my understanding, it is still a rumor. The problem with rumor sites and collecting your news from rumor sites, Justin, is that rumor sites love to write rumors as though they're news, which is what baffles people and confuses us to thinking we've seen something, which. [00:43:31] Speaker B: Which is why we've changed the name of this segment to News and Rumors. Because now I can just put it all in one bucket. [00:43:38] Speaker A: You make up your own mind. Let us know in the chat whether you think it's a rumor or whether it's news. [00:43:43] Speaker B: Now, I saw some Youtubers getting angry about the FX2 release and I was like, I don't understand what this is about because obviously Sony's FX line is. It's like. It's Pro video, I guess you would call it. Pro Video. Not Mega Pro, but Pretty Pro. The FX3 and the FX30 have been insanely popular for video. They sort of step over some of the limitations that you get with just your standard hybrid mirrorless offerings from Sony. But what's interesting about this is it's rumored or supposed to be having the 33 megapixel sensor that's in the A7 IV and the A7C Mark II. [00:44:28] Speaker A: Yep. [00:44:29] Speaker B: So it says. Also mentioned. Mentioned by who? Maybe this is mentioned by Sony. I don't know. [00:44:36] Speaker A: No, no, no. [00:44:37] Speaker B: It's got rumors. [00:44:38] Speaker A: It's all rumors. So granted, big bag of salt here, folks. Big bag of salt. One thing that is consistent across the news sites and the rumor sites, regardless of who you read, is that it will have an improved EVF incorporated into the camera design. [00:44:56] Speaker B: Okay, but. So what's weird is that sensor is old and it doesn't do 4K60 at Native. Like, no. With no crop, which, you know, all decent cameras in this. Unless it's going to be cheap. I don't know. I don't understand. Maybe Bruce understands. It moves from Pro Schumer to pro depending on the model they are meant to match easily right up to Venice. So how is this pro though? Like, unless it's very cheap. But that's. It's an old. [00:45:32] Speaker A: Well, the rumoring is going to be $3,500 USD, which is about 45,000 Australian dollars at the moment. [00:45:40] Speaker B: So it's going to have rolling shutter issues, potentially. If it is the. If it is the exact same Sensor as the A7IV, it's going to have rolling shutter issues and it doesn't do native 4k60. I don't know. I don't understand what the benefit is. Well, true. Okay, we'll wait and see. [00:45:58] Speaker A: So for me, this, this, this reminds me of the arguments I was seeing on the Internet and on YouTube when the Fujifilm GFX100RF was just a rumor people were losing Their shit over it. They were arguing, they were saying, oh, but it's going to have this. No, it's not going to have this. [00:46:16] Speaker B: I know the fools that were like, oh, it's going to have no ibis and therefore lens. But then look what happened. It. Oh, no, hang on now. I couldn't help it. But no, you're right, it's. It. People get all riled up when it's not even out yet. Yeah. [00:46:30] Speaker A: And I'm seeing this more and more, you know, in the gaming world because I'm a, I'm a gamer in my spare time. See a lot of it there too. Emerging tech tends to get people agitated for what's next. And, and, and they act as though they know what's going to happen with it. It's really interesting to watch. It's a. Interesting social dichotomy. Oh, how's that for a word? Write that down. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Yeah. What Bruce is. Yeah, Words of wisdom as well. Bruce echoes what you're saying. I'm not sure why it would exist, but it's best not to think about it until it's announced. If it is announced. Yeah, good point. There's probably. No, I just don't understand. It's. It's sort of the rumors flooded out all at once as if someone like a press release had come out about it. Yeah, but, but yeah, it's weird. [00:47:15] Speaker A: The other thing that I found because I used to do a lot of news article writing for camera, for a camera website, is that once one rumor site gets onto it, they all have to mirror it because they want to stay relevant. They want to get the clicks on their site and they're just hoping someone finds their site before the original site that posted it. So often there's a lot of copy and paste. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's an interesting situation. But yeah, I think Bruce's words are the, are the best is let's just wait and see. Although that just completely crushes our news and rumor site section. [00:47:49] Speaker B: We'll keep doing it. All right. We'll keep echoing these rumors and then being like. But, but they're just, they're just rumors. So we've got. I just unshared it. I've got a couple of nice Canon rumors. There's been a little bit floating around from Canon. This one's got me most excited. Well, I did. I can't remember if I told you this or not. I did in an entire. Speaking of those mountain bike shoots that we were talking about before, I did one of those on when Wednesday last week. And I used the. I don't know where it is. I use the RF28-70F 2.8 STM lens, which is a non pro 2.8 lens. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Yep. [00:48:38] Speaker B: And I, I used it for the entire shoot. Hybrid photo video. Didn't take the lens off. I took my wide just in case and I actually had an entire. This was in a lighter bag, a small bag actually. Here's the lens here. So this bag I got. That's how much gear space it has in it. You can use my head for a reference. That's the lens there. The RF28 to 72.8. It's really, really light for a 2.8 full frame lens. And the camera and another lens fit in there. And I had my other bits and pieces, mics and stuff like that. And then the whole top was actually still open and free just for mountains. Very, very small bag compared to what I normally ride with. Not that I go over the top with gear. It's pretty running gun. So I had my whole other bag packed in the van. [00:49:32] Speaker A: Just hang on, hang on. Roll back a little minute. Roll back a little minute. Did I just hear you say you never go over top with gear or just on that occasion. [00:49:41] Speaker B: When I'm mountain bike shooting. Compared to what other people would probably take on shoots like that, I'm pretty lean and mean. Particularly shooting video. Because, you know, a lot of people shooting video maybe bring an external monitor. They'd have a video camera in a cage they might bring. I don't do any of that stuff. I just like shaky, crappy footage. Raw dog. That actually that's what. Yeah, that's cool new video thing we should talk about because everyone likes to have all the extra stuff bolted to the camera. It's like raw dog and video. It's just the, just the camera as it comes. [00:50:14] Speaker A: Not even a lens, just open shutter. [00:50:16] Speaker B: Open the sensor and you just, you just, just let it all. You use this as the aperture and you just try and make it really small anyway. [00:50:25] Speaker A: One of those little Oreo cookie lenses. I kind of want to try one. [00:50:30] Speaker B: Oh, I don't. [00:50:32] Speaker A: Anyway, so what do you think about this? [00:50:34] Speaker B: So, so this was the thing. I went on this shoot and I was like, I shot the whole thing at 28 to 70, which is a fairly limiting focal length for trying to get a variety, variety of shots for mountain biking. But I've done, I've done that kind of stuff before. I like, sometimes I've shot it with just primes and Things I like being limited. But generally with mountain biking you do want the ability to do some telephoto depending on what you're shooting. And then same with super wide, you know, out to 15 or 16 mil. And I thought, man, if they made a, you know, a lighter weight 2.8 because the issue is canons longer 70 to 2002 are the most compact on the market currently. And I've got the 7202.8 compared to what they used to be. It's insanely compact. But the 7200F4 is even more compact. It's almost the size of. Of this. When it's this 24 to 105 the same as the 7200F4 pretty much in the size of it, but always fighting for light with the long lenses shooting action. So I like to have 2.8. And then I saw this rumor. RF 70 to 152.8 is STM lens might complete the trilogy sometime later this year of. So you would then have the 16 to 28 2.8, the 28 to 72.8 and then this 70 to 152.8. And if it was like between 500 and 600 grams, nice and compact, it would be awesome. Awesome. It would be a beautiful little kit of lenses that are cheaper than L series primes. That's why. I don't know why this has got the red ring around it. Because it won't have one of those in that little picture. There may be. [00:52:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? They chose that. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Just to tease people. But I think it would be really good and I'm glad Canon are doing it and I hope it's true. Hope this room is true. [00:52:35] Speaker A: So wasn't it a couple of weeks ago that Sony brought out a. Was it a 50 to 150? Was that an F 2.8 or. That was. [00:52:42] Speaker B: No, that was an F 2. That was like game changer in the other direction. Just pure image quality and sharp F2. Sort of supposed to be like a mega wedding portrait or I guess indoor sports lens maybe, but. [00:53:00] Speaker A: Yeah, but there's no reason why this couldn't be used for the same applications. [00:53:07] Speaker B: I mean it could be, but it's. It's the other end of the spectrum in terms of like it's going to be. This is sort of heading further away from Pro and more towards very, very compact. But I found that. I found the autofocus to be great. It maybe wasn't quite what an L lens is, but Yeah, I had very few misses. It was very good my experience because. [00:53:34] Speaker A: Maybe this sort of thing is the future of pro grade lenses. That they're going to get smaller. They may not be as premium body wise, but image quality. And. [00:53:46] Speaker B: I like that they're going. [00:53:50] Speaker A: I. [00:53:50] Speaker B: Like that they're going both directions. I think they need to satisfy both ends of the spectrum because this, these sort of lenses stop me from considering, you know, Fujifilm X series or something like that to be more compact for travel or whatever. It helps keep me in the Canon ecosystem for that side of things. And it also tricks some people that have got too many lenses to into buying one of each. I'll have the compact one and I'll have the Mega Pro, you know, and I think that where they've often done it with primes, you know, they've done it. I'm trying to think of good examples. This stuff's been done before. But the problem is usually the sacrifices on the, the light gathering of the lens or just the overall quality. Often just, they're just cheap. They'll go, I will make a really cheap lens and we'll make our pro lenses. But this is a, it's not cheap. They're a couple of thousand dollars as opposed to the, the l version being 3 to $4,000. So they're cheaper but they're not cheap. Yeah, they don't sacrifice light gathering. What they're sacrificing is probably a little bit of the robustness of the build. Although they're still weather sealed. They've got the, the twisty lock. So you have to twist to engage the lens. Here it doesn't work. You have to twist it out to there. So that kind of sucks. But I'm getting used to it. I told Canon they need to tweak it so that when you twist it to engage the camera wakes up or when you twist it off, the camera sleeps. I don't know why you wouldn't have it do that. Makes total sense to me especially for a mirrorless where the screens are awake and stuff. Anyway, so I'm getting used to that. So that's one of the sacrifices. And then I'm guessing the other sacrifices are just the STM focusing versus their fastest focusing motors in the L series. But honestly I had no problem with focus. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So basically it's more of an enthusiast level offerings. If they bring this out, this trilogy. [00:55:55] Speaker B: That if, if I was at a camera store I'd be pushing people into this. If they're not like, if they don't Come in knowing like I want, you know, this L lens for this specific use case. If there was the option, I would be anyone that's sort of thinking I want a 24 to 72.8 L. I would be saying to save some money and buy this and get another, you know, get something to go with it. If you really want to spend three or four grand, get yourself another focal length or a prime or something else. [00:56:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:26] Speaker B: Anyway, yeah. Greg Carrick says. Justin, do you prefer RF or EF lenses? Overall, the RF lenses are better quality for sure. And I thought I was going to run a hybrid of adapted and non adapted lenses when I first switched to Canon mirrorless. And I very quickly switched everything to rf. Just one, because I hate using adapters when I'm working quickly. And two, yeah, the quality has stepped forward I think with them being able to use the space that's allowed on the RF mount. The designs have gotten better both optically and they're more compact and a ton of other things. So them's the benefits. Anyway, that was the rumor that I'm excited for. There's also a few can. There's rumors from canon about the R6 Mark 3 coming soon and R7 Mark 2 coming soon. And by soon I mean sometime between now and the end of the year. But who knows, none of the specs are really firmed up that are worth talking about. And there's a few big white lenses apparently coming as well. There's been talk of a 150 to 605.6 which would be pretty cool. And then also something, something really big. But anyway, just I spend a bit more time on the Canon websites than any other ones. [00:57:49] Speaker A: No, that's fair. And, and often those rumor sites which I, I follow them too. You'll see them drop or find and publish new patents that camera stores have. Camera brands, sorry, have they have to put out. They have to make those patents publicly accessible somehow through the patent process. I don't understand it fully but often you'll see the patents for these lenses and they'll be guessing and, and slowly they'll fit the patent into a lens that eventually gets announced. So it's sometimes those rumor sites, whilst they're often full of junk, repetitive junk, especially if you go from one to the other. It's almost like watching a carbon copy. [00:58:29] Speaker B: I think that what I certainly get. [00:58:31] Speaker A: To see a bit of history. [00:58:32] Speaker B: Oh yeah. As to how it's a development process. [00:58:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:35] Speaker B: Yeah. What I found is it seems to me that there's some rumor sites that Seem to put. I don't know if they put more work in or if they've got better contacts or something like that. There's some that seem to have more, dare I say it, integrity and also more. Yeah, maybe that's a strong word. We'll see. Anyway, there's some that seem more genuine and then there's some that seem like they copy every rumor they find on the Internet kind of thing. [00:59:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:01] Speaker B: And it seems like the guys behind Canon rumors are pretty solid. They're photographers, they're. I mean, everyone's doing this stuff's probably photographer, but like, you see him pop up on podcasts and things. They talk about the gear that they shoot with and that kind of thing. And they always. They often give it like a level of rumor, you know that I think they have a 1, 2 and 3. Cr1.cr2.cr3 is to like, where do we put this rumor? And if it's okay. Yeah. So they're like, if it's. If I think. I can't remember which way it goes. But say if it's a rumor that they're like, look, someone sent us this. We don't know them. It seems like it's plausible, but like it's worth us printing it, but we have no confidence other than that. And they'll give that like CR3. And then if it's a CR1, they're basically like, hey, we're pretty sure this is what's coming out. [00:59:52] Speaker A: Yeah, soon. [00:59:53] Speaker B: And they put that in there. So anyway, that's cool. [00:59:58] Speaker A: Now, speaking of non rumors, can we talk about Yashiko? We're going to leave that till later. [01:00:05] Speaker B: No, it's a great time to talk about Yashika. It's a good. It's a good way to segue into our next. I just unshared my screen. Sorry, guys, I'm. [01:00:14] Speaker A: Play the sound. [01:00:23] Speaker B: All right, so Justin, if you go. Sorry, if you go to yashika.infox, which is different to the actual Yashica website, you'll find this. Yashica FXD Digital Film Simulation Camera Analog dreams. Very familiar Digital wings. Wow. Which. [01:00:49] Speaker A: They used AI to write that. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Yes. This is crossing us from the news and rumors because it is the news and rumors into our next segment that we're calling. [01:01:02] Speaker A: Cosplay. Cameras. [01:01:08] Speaker B: Seems to be a thing. It seems to be a thing that now cameras are progressing from design to do with the usability of the camera, the aesthetics of the camera, ergonomics, size and shape, all of that sort of stuff. Obviously image quality. But we seem to be getting features now that are not necessarily imperative to the way the camera operates, but they give you a sort of feel like these levers, this winding lever. [01:01:48] Speaker A: You got a real problem with the lever, don't you? [01:01:51] Speaker B: I do. Look, I don't have an issue with. I need to be careful how I say this because I don't want to put my thoughts across incorrectly. I don't think anyone shouldn't make these products. Let me just put that out there. I'm cool. As with anyone, any of these camera brands making any product and going for it. What's interesting is just we seem to be getting a manual film advance lever and this is the second camera. Maybe there's more that I don't actually know about where they've got control inputs that don't actually do anything like they do. They're added to a function but they're not there to do anything. They actually slow you down or whatever. And maybe that's. [01:02:32] Speaker A: The manual lever can be replaced by a press of a button. [01:02:36] Speaker B: Exactly. So I don't know, are we kind of cosplaying a bit with photography? Are we laughing? Are we adding things to the process that don't function in any way? And what I want to know from the chat, if you guys are still listening, have we seen this in any products before in the camera industry, Any successful products or unsuccessful products where they've added things to the features and ergonomics that don't. That aren't optimized around shooting or image quality or anything like that? So Bruce is saying it's like a manual gear sticking cars. So. No, it's like a manual gear stick in an electric car that doesn't do anything other than make the engine slow down for a second and then speed up again. You know what I mean? So it's like you could just accelerate all the way up to 100ks an hour, but in your electric car there's a manual gear stick and an electronic programming that it just limits the throttle for a second and makes you pull the gear stick to simulate the feel of driving a manual car. So it's a user experience feature, but not anything to do with photography itself. And I'm just interested to know what everyone thinks about that. [01:04:06] Speaker A: So the reason, just before we jump to some comments, because there's some great comments coming through, we called it cosplay cameras because we are seeing these sorts of features. We talked about it last Friday. Was it? We had a chat. Yeah, about the Fujifilm X half, which also has a winding lever that advances a digital film or a digital film replication process in camera. So what Fujifilm did with the X half, just as a recap is you can treat it like a normal digital mirrorless camera and, or you can slip it into film camera mode. And in film camera mode, the rear LCD becomes a kind of a digital representation of like an old retro kind of film camera, I guess one that had an lcd. And it basically it prevents you from viewing your images that you take. So you've got to be very mindful and in the, in the, in the, in the moment and take your shots. You can only see those and you can select how many frames like from an old school 35 millimeter film roll of film. Once you've shot that, you then download your images to the Fujifilm X half app. And that's the only way that you can see them is to download them to this app. And the app goes through a quasi processing and development and provides you with basically a, a contact sheet and the ability to view all your images. So they replicate, they're cosplaying the camera as a film camera and it's a replication process that they've created. So with this Yashika, which interestingly I think they announced the day after the Fuji X half. [01:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah, it was clearly something very. And they've announced, they've announced that a Kickstarter is coming soon. So like it's not even, it's not even a Kickstarter, it's a Kickstarter launching soon. Which means basically they were, they were in the works with this and, and trying to do it. And then they saw the X half get released and they were like, let's jump on it, let's jump on the, on the, the hype train that Fuji have done a lot of work to, to build obviously. [01:06:17] Speaker A: Yeah, they already had development potentially and now they've gone, oh, we better get this out there, otherwise everyone's just gonna be talking about Fuji X half and we won't get a look in. [01:06:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:29] Speaker A: Interestingly, the last couple of Yashikas that have come out, I don't know that they were. You'd call them great cameras. They were more point and shoot. I think there was a city 100 and the city 300 by all accounts. [01:06:43] Speaker B: Were they the ones with the rolls, with the fake film rolls? [01:06:46] Speaker A: No, no, no. These were just digital point and shoots. They didn't do very well. People couldn't get them. They didn't know how to like. It was weird how you could buy them. Often they were broken when they Arrived faulty. Like really poor quality. Poor quality stuff. So again, kind of a. What's that term they use in grand designs? A pastiche of retro aesthetic camera design applied to digital sensibilities. How's that? [01:07:16] Speaker B: I'm gonna write that. Nice, nice. Write that down. Take a note. [01:07:21] Speaker A: Oh, we're recording. Let's jump to some comments. [01:07:25] Speaker B: All right. Well, Paul Henderson says Yashika put their name to various manufacturers and get some fairly ordinary results from what I've seen. Okay, so potentially you're saying that maybe this is. That someone else has developed this. Seems like maybe it's a Yashika product. I'm sure. Who knows who's making it or whatever. But yeah, I don't know. [01:07:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think Yashika owns Yashika anymore. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:07:53] Speaker A: I don't think the original company exists. I'm fairly sure they went under. [01:07:57] Speaker B: Oh, and someone might be purchased or licenses the name to release products. [01:08:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's what happened. It's kind of like, you know, how Kodak went through all those different owners and now you can buy all sorts of Kodak cameras. Thank you, Greg Carrick. I am correct. [01:08:15] Speaker B: Nev. Clark says tech has plateaued. So now we get gimmicks being introduced to keep us buying. We need difference for these cameras to sell. Question mark. [01:08:25] Speaker A: It's an interesting point, Nev. [01:08:28] Speaker B: It is an interesting point. I don't, I don't think it's true because I don't think they're, they're. I don't think they're focused on people that have any interest in tech in terms of like these cameras aren't to try and get us to buy them? I don't think so. They're trying to get. They seem like they're almost grown up toys, like as in toys for toys for 20 year olds and maybe even 30 year olds to buy that have a feel, but not necessarily so. I don't know if it's to do with the tech being plateaued. [01:09:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's more that they're trying to expand the market. They see a bunch of people walking around taking photos and video on their phones. And the more people they can get to keep their phones in their pockets and to buy a camera, the better it is for them in the long run, obviously, and the industry and for us. Because the more people that are buying cameras and spending money on cameras, the more that brands have to invest in newer and funkier technology. It is interesting though, because it's, you know, it's like how Vinyl has enjoyed yet another revival. Sasha and I have started collecting vinyls. We've got, you know, maybe, I don't know, maybe 30 vinyls now for our collection we have, you know, Apple everything and Apple. What are the, the pods, the audio pods that you set up in your home. Home pods. We've got a couple of those in lounge and they play beautiful music and it's so easy to say, hey, you know, Siri, whatever. But we love playing vinyls because it's, it's, it's a different experience. [01:10:06] Speaker B: But again, the equivalent of this would be like buying an Apple home podcast that you have to switch on and a thing turns around on top and you've got to wipe the dust off it. Otherwise it'll simulate crackle through the speaker and then you've got to put the needle on the right spot to play a track through your homepod. And it's all digital anyway. You know what I mean? That's kind of what this is like as opposed to vinyl is like shooting film on an old film camera or a nice new film camera. Like yeah, that's true. You can buy an old record player. You can buy a new record player. But it has its own advantages with vinyl, especially when it has been recorded specifically to be released on vinyl. So yeah, that's kind of the difference is it doesn't seem to add anything other than I guess the feel of the process, A simulated feel to a process and that's it. [01:11:06] Speaker A: My mother would say it's mutton dressed up as lamb. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But it's like digital mutton and it's actually just like a paste that's made from vegetables. [01:11:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:19] Speaker B: Bruce Moyle says it's a gimmick to be different. Some people enjoy just being different. Greg Carrick says modern yashikas are ya crap. [01:11:30] Speaker A: Yep. [01:11:32] Speaker B: Now this is interesting. Tony, get off my digital lawn. What's up, Tony? Thanks for joining. Says why does everyone make cameras that look really retro but no one seems to go the other way and make something crazy futuristic? Is it just Sigma BF is probably one of the first cameras that's tried to do that. Really? And it's not insanely futuristic, but it certainly is compared to what's out there. Is anyone else had a crack that camera? [01:12:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Sigma in the past have done that, didn't they? They did those weird. [01:12:03] Speaker B: The Foveons. [01:12:04] Speaker A: Yeah, they've done it before. [01:12:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think Sigma is probably one of the few. So. Yeah, it's a good point. It's the There's, I guess there's so much history with photography. It's like classic cars and stuff. But yeah, there doesn't seem to be a big push in, in any kind of futuristic direction. [01:12:25] Speaker A: And I think that's an important point, that there is a lot of history in photography. And so camera brands are trying to harness that to entice new photographers with these cheaper, less effective systems. You know, we all got, we all heard last week about my X half thoughts. So much potential missed. Yeah, because it's just not quite there. It's not quite enough. I, I don't think. And I've reviewed every Fuji camera, pretty much every Fuji camera, I think now almost every Fuji camera that exists and it just misses the mark. Which is interesting because. Because what Fuji are trying to do are trying to entice a newer, younger audience with the X Half by making it about. More about the history of photography, but having in doing so they're missing the mark on what it actually should achieve. [01:13:21] Speaker B: Yes, I think from a technical standpoint, I think so. And I think so. I listened to a few, I listened to a bit of content after we did our X Half show because I was like, you know, I felt pretty strongly about where we stand with it. Me as an outsider looking in that hasn't actually been able to use it yet. And you as someone that fully reviewed it, and a Fuji fanboy, as it says below. So Fuji, if you're listening to. We love all of your products except one. [01:13:55] Speaker A: I don't dislike it. Like I said, I think it's a brave and potentially genius move to harness a new market, but it just doesn't quite cut the mustard. [01:14:07] Speaker B: I mean, it's obviously something that is burbling in the industry when you see Yashika put one out to try and capitalize on the same thing. So it's like, how much of this, these cosplay cameras are we going to see over the coming years? I don't know. And it's. Yeah, it's cool that Fujifilm film are taking a swing at it, but I just, I listened to some other content. I looked at some other content. PetaPixel review versus the PetaPixel podcast. You got a bit more candid opinions on the podcast than you did on the review itself. Not, I wouldn't say they were being disingenuous in the review. It was probably just a little bit more filtered, obviously glossed over. Just didn't. They didn't until the very end. And then the very end was still, you know, in Their written review, it still says down the bottom, should I buy it? Yes, but you know, as long as you like. You know what it's for and you like it or whatever. But yeah, in the podcast, they were a little bit more candid about their thoughts about some of the limitations of the camera and also the fact that it. The feel that they were going for. This analog feel misses the mark in some spots, particularly with that winder. You know, you've got this winder film advanced lever. Keep saying winder to use, but it doesn't feel like awesome to use, you know, like a film camera. So. Which is. Obviously, that's going to be a very tricky thing to simulate that mechanical feeling of winding film and then hitting the end of the roll and all that kind of stuff is very tricky to do. But it missed the mark in a few spots there. He said it pulled him out of the experience. The podcast, that kind of got me a little riled up. There's a video. [01:15:53] Speaker A: I don't think I've ever seen you riled. [01:15:55] Speaker B: There's a videographer. [01:15:56] Speaker A: Much makes you riled. [01:15:57] Speaker B: Not much makes me riled. He's a cinematographer and he's got a very cool YouTube channel and he shoots amazing video. His name's Cam Mackey. He's definitely got a bit of a hipster vibe going on. Bit of a cowboy hipster thing. I'm not quite sure what. It's way cooler than anything I could imagine ever wearing. And he does great work. But he did. He did like an hour and a half live stream that was basically like gear heads have ruined photography. And anyone that doesn't get the Fujifilm X half isn't thinking doesn't have a kind of words that come out of his. I don't. I'm paraphrasing, but it was kind of like their brain isn't big enough to understand that it's not just about image quality. And that got me riled up a little bit because I was like, yeah, but It's. It's a 1300 and $50 camera and you're saying that image quality doesn't matter. And it does matter. And just. And we're not saying the camera shouldn't exist or anything or the people shouldn't buy it. If you love it, buy it, enjoy it. [01:17:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:05] Speaker B: But if it gets you. [01:17:06] Speaker A: If it gets you out and about with a camera in hand looking at the world, take creating images, have at it. [01:17:12] Speaker B: And I think Nev Clark's kind of summed up the thoughts here, which is the X Half was a great idea. Agree. It just needed a smidgen more tech inside it and that's kind of it. And so this guy Cam Mackey said people don't get it. You know, Fujifilm's Instax line is all about fun and it's not about image quality and it's about getting out and using the camera and taking photos and having fun. And that's what this X half is. And it's like, yeah, their dearest Instax camera in Australia is what, like 600, 700 bucks the Instax Evo wide. And it instantly prints the photos and is digital and it's, and it's less than half the price of this thing. And the image quality is not, probably not massively different. I'm sure the X hub is quite a bit better being a bigger sensor and stuff like that. But like there's a. This, this is the. Would you say that within the, the recent Fujifilm history, the X half has the worst image quality but by far. [01:18:16] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [01:18:17] Speaker B: Of an X series camera? Not as Instax because they, they're marketed as two different lines and, and you know, it's on the website with all the X series cameras. Yeah. And it sits. [01:18:28] Speaker A: Which is interesting because when it, when they first announced it, they told us in the, in the pre briefing, this is while it was still under embargo that this camera will sit aside from GFX and X series. It's a new entry. Like, it's almost like it's a new series or a standalone series but they've parked it right in there with X, with X series gear on global and regional websites. And so people are going to compare apples with apples. [01:18:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:55] Speaker A: If you're, if you're determined to get yourself a Fujifilm camera because you see the retro aesthetic and you've heard good things and they're compact and lightweight and all of that. And you go to the Fuji X website, you're going to see a range of cameras that stand out significantly better. The problem that I have, I think is that much of Fujifilm's marketing is talking it up like it's an X series camera. [01:19:18] Speaker B: That that's I think the issue, including. [01:19:20] Speaker A: The outcomes of it especially. Well, not, not video. No one wants to talk about the video performance of it because it just, it doesn't tick any boxes in video at all. [01:19:33] Speaker B: It doesn't even take half a box. It's not even X half. [01:19:36] Speaker A: There are no boxes. [01:19:37] Speaker B: Video. [01:19:40] Speaker A: From stills, images. Yes, it takes photos, it takes good photos, but it doesn't take anything comparable to any of the other X series cameras. Even older cameras. [01:19:49] Speaker B: Yeah. And so then, then the problem is, you know like Fujifilm could have just in my, I know it wouldn't have got the hype but I honestly think it might have sold better. Either give us a bigger sensor or a bright like a brighter aperture lens. Give us an f2 lens or something. Maybe even a bit more nail that image quality. Ditch the film advanced lever. Ditch the hot shoe that does nothing. The fake hot shoe cosplay hot shoe. [01:20:26] Speaker A: Yep. [01:20:26] Speaker B: You know, to give, to give us a little bit more image quality and stuff and maybe we could have pushed the price even a touch more. Maybe it could have been a seventeen hundred dollar camera if you gave it that X series level image quality. Maybe not with a full, you know like an APS C sensor. Maybe it's still some sort of smaller sensor but, but then it wouldn't have been, it wouldn't have gotten the hype that it did if it, if it didn't have. [01:20:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:20:52] Speaker B: The vertical half frame thing and all that sort of stuff because it's so different. So I, I, I'm not telling them how to you know, launch products. They're probably going to sell a bazillion of these. But it's just, I think they left some stuff on the table with image quality and the word is that the. [01:21:08] Speaker A: The interest board is quite high. [01:21:12] Speaker B: Yeah, wouldn't surprise me. [01:21:13] Speaker A: You know it I think and I, I don't know that I've actually thought of this before but maybe Fujifilm's intention was for image quality to be just okay. Well they wanted it to replicate a half sensor film image in terms of resolution because a half, a half a 35 millimeter frame, you know like with the Pentax 17 people said the image quality is great. The resolution's not excellent, but it's good. Maybe they, they intentionally, intentionally, intentionally dumbed it down a little because it was giving people an authentic Fujika Huff 35 mil film camera experience that you were getting these sort of half good images. [01:21:59] Speaker B: Is that, is that why they went for almost HD video? Because that's similar to the video that they got out of the Fujika half. [01:22:07] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly what they should have ditched video. I don't know. [01:22:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Let's, let's jump to some comments. Getting back to let's go all the way back. Bruce says Lytro had a crack at making a futuristic camera. This is, we're just looping way back. But then they got their. Got killed by their own greed. I don't know much about the lightroom story. We should dig into that. One day when they were talking about me getting mad. [01:22:38] Speaker A: What did Tony say? [01:22:40] Speaker B: Tony? Tony says I can do it. Greg just let me know when you want to see him mad. Tony can try and make me mad. And Nev Clark says I'm a counselor. [01:22:50] Speaker A: Haha. [01:22:51] Speaker B: And I get more riled up than Justin. [01:22:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. I've never seen. I've never seen him lose his cool. [01:22:58] Speaker B: No, it's not something I really do. This is me. Yeah, this is me riled up. Rick Nelson says, is this the brand seeing the demand for film and the cameras and the. And cameras like the Canon G7X or Kodak FZ45. So they blend them and get a digital film camera to try and steer the trend? Maybe. Yeah, I guess it is that. Yeah, it's like they see that. They see that. I just. So yeah, they see that and they want to capitalize on it. And there is something there with this cosplay camera film thing that will get fleshed out, I think. And I just think when you look at it. So you look at the X series cameras and you look at this new line that they've got of the X100. An absolute icon. Everyone loves it because the image quality is great and the usability is great. Always has been, always has been. GFX100RF controversial but the image quality is indisputably great. Doesn't have ibis, therefore image quality is great, usability great. X half caps off that series of three cameras of top, middle and now entry level and image quality could be in that package. Could have been better. Is better in much smaller cameras. Including you said Greg. The boys from PetaPixel said on their review and podcast. Not as good as a smartphone. And that's where it's like it doesn't quite fit into the mold of that line. Flip over to the Instax line. Yeah, maybe it could have been the flagship of the Instax line. And that reminds me. So this was the only camera I could think of in modern era that has something that is like a what we're calling these cosplay features where it's like, it's a feel feature that doesn't really do anything. And that's the. Is there a winder on the Instax Evo wide? Yes, a winder. It's like. [01:25:11] Speaker A: Oh yeah, yeah. But it's. It's like you're actually winding the film backwards. [01:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah, but does it do anything or is it just a. Like a digital input that tells the thing to print the. [01:25:23] Speaker A: The photo? Yeah, it's to tell it to print and it. [01:25:26] Speaker B: But it doesn't manually actually wind anything. It just, it's like tells us. Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's actually the first thing that I can think of that has. Other than Yashika's loadable plastic film rolls. I don't know. Greg Carrick says three Men and an elephant thinks the X half lens is brilliant. He's probably wrong, I would say. I don't know. Do you think it's Craig? [01:25:51] Speaker A: Yeah, he just likes the sound of his own voice. [01:25:53] Speaker B: He does. [01:25:53] Speaker A: Swear to God. [01:25:55] Speaker B: There's two podcasts. [01:25:56] Speaker A: So many big uses, so many big words. I'd never use big words. What was that word I used before? Dichotomy. [01:26:03] Speaker B: No, you said one that started with P. It was like. I can't remember. [01:26:07] Speaker A: Anyway, it doesn't matter. Let's move on from that. [01:26:10] Speaker B: But Rick, Rick Nelson's. Rick Nelson says, do you think the X half is actually worse than film in terms of image quality? And are you talking half filled? Well, I guess. Here's the question. Can someone that owns a Pentax 17 do a test? Do a side by side head to Ted test, We get some decent film scans done and let's see which one looks better. That'd be cool. [01:26:33] Speaker A: That would be very cool. [01:26:34] Speaker B: It's about as close as we can get as a side by side comparison. Someone should do that. We should do that. [01:26:42] Speaker A: We should do that. We should. We'll get into that. [01:26:45] Speaker B: You sent the camera back already? [01:26:47] Speaker A: The X half? Yeah, I can get it again. [01:26:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Don't tell them why unless. [01:26:52] Speaker A: Unless they've watched our podcast. [01:26:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. We love you Fujifilm. We really do. [01:26:58] Speaker A: And he never heard from Fujifilm again. [01:27:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Rick also says, why not call it the digital Quick Snap and seal it in a different category, pairing it with the throwaway Quick Snap. What's a Quick Snap throw away? [01:27:14] Speaker A: Disposables. [01:27:15] Speaker B: Oh, right. [01:27:16] Speaker A: So one of the things that Fuji boasted though, in, in the, in the. I think it's in their new marketing materials that it uses the same. They didn't say the same lens but the same focal distance as their Quick Snap cameras. And they tried to use that as a bit of a selling point again, trying to tie it back to. We already use this in a film camera, this focal range. We're going to put it in. In this New quasi film camera. Like again it's tying it. It's a weird marketing plug to say that the lens is the same as a throwaway disposable. It's not, it's not the actual same lens but the focal range. It's a really weird marketing push but again I think they're trying to pull back or they throw, throw over to. Look it has some film camera heritage kind of thing. You know we took the, the same plastic crappy lens out of a quick snap, measured it and replicated it. Like it doesn't feel premium in any way to you know, take the other. [01:28:14] Speaker B: Thing I forgot that I think they should have done to make this camera really the, the entry level to that line of Fujifilm iconic fixed lens compact cameras. The, the OVF viewfinder that's got zero info in it. Does it? [01:28:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just a. What is it? It's a Galile Galilean. It's just a see through. It's a vertical. [01:28:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:40] Speaker A: And it's only, I think it's only 90% of the actual coverage of the lens. So it's like a quick snap which has really shit lens coverage. It doesn't match up very well. [01:28:49] Speaker B: Exactly. So it's close. It is closer to an Instax. Like that's what Instaxes are like. You're like you're looking through this little window and then the photo is going to be something kind of like that doesn't give you any of your settings or anything like that. No light meter? [01:29:03] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. [01:29:04] Speaker B: I think, yeah. And I think that so, so we all wanted maybe that so like a sensor, like a you know, micro four thirds or one at least, you know, maybe a bit bigger than what it is. But if it is what it is, at least a decent lens on it that lets in a lot more light and then a great shoot. Manual shooting experience. Yeah. It wouldn't have got the tick tockers and stuff like that but you could have put a top series Instax in maybe for that and then put this camera in at a few hundred dollars dearer. But with great image quality, a great lens and a better experience for a photographer. [01:29:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:44] Speaker B: Probably still would have sold truckloads of them. [01:29:46] Speaker A: Look, you know, having said all of this and you know, expressing my. It wasn't dissatisfaction for the product. In fact in my review I said that this is a mixture of genius and gimmick. There's a lot to be. There's a lot for Fujifilm to be proud of. We talked about this. On Friday, they brought. They've. They've opened their own envelope and pushed their own boundary. They're targeting newer markets and they're taking brave steps to try and see what else can they do with camera technology. And I think that should be applauded. Most definitely. The problem that. The biggest problem I have with the X half is, okay, leave the image quality, you know, leave everything the way it is and drop it by $400. Then it's an enticing offer at 1350. It is not an enticing offer because it. For 1450, depending on which store you go to, you can get the XM5, which is a 26 megapixel APS C X processor 5. It's got the fastest autofocus performance of any Fuji camera I've ever shot with. You know, it's a pocketable beast that comes with a shitty kit lens, but it gives you an open lens format to then expand your lens range. [01:30:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:58] Speaker A: You know, it's not a fixed. I know. It's a different. We're not comparing apples with apples necessarily. [01:31:03] Speaker B: No. [01:31:04] Speaker A: But when from a price point versus what you get for it, the, the. The X half is overpriced. [01:31:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So different. Completely different target market and, and that kind of stuff. Yeah. [01:31:16] Speaker A: And Rick Nelson. Hang on. Love you, Rick. They need to make the next generation of the X70 already. Give us a little proper compact manual Fuji magic again. Yes, yes. And yes. You know, the Fuji X. I mean, I, you know, if you do. If you search Fujifilm x70, a picture of me will pop up first because I rant about it so much. But it is a brilliant little compact camera and they should. They tried to do a remake, I think it was an XF15 or an XF10 and it apparently had the same processor and lens, I think, but it just fell short. It was plasticky and they painted it in rose gold and they were targeting young women with it, which is fine. They saw a market and, you know, charged at it. But the X70. Yeah, they need to make another one of those. I would rather have seen them put in, you know, that sort of camera. [01:32:12] Speaker B: Yeah. And look, it will remain to be seen whether, whether this is a genius move that's going to bring people into the Fujifilm ecosystem that are going to progress into wanting to have actual cameras instead of a cosplay camera. You know, the other thing though, like. So what happens when, when these people sort of get. They buy this camera, they have a great time with it, they learn about photography and then they're like, all right, I want to upgrade. I want to get, you know, some camera with some different lenses or whatever. I want to improve the image quality because the, this looks like my phone. And they go into a camera shop and the camera shop's like, yeah, well you've already had a Fujifilm, so what about this XT5 or whatever? [01:32:54] Speaker A: I don't do Yashika. [01:32:55] Speaker B: What about this XT5? And they're like, where's the film advanced lever? Where's the features that you've given me in my cosplay camera that I really liked? Why am I missing out on that stuff? And the camera person is going to be like, because this is a grown ups camera, you know, like this. [01:33:15] Speaker A: Actual photographers, it's like being raised on breast milk and then someone suddenly saying, from now on you can only have bottles. Am I wrong? They take away the joy of it all. [01:33:31] Speaker B: I'm very tired. [01:33:33] Speaker A: I'm often medicated or not. [01:33:36] Speaker B: Well, all right, anyway, let's, let's cap off this because it's almost time to go and we've got two more segments that we're definitely not getting to the last one. So the, let's cap off the cosplay thing. The only camera that, that I can think of that gets this kind of. So we've had a lot of vintage inspired cameras. We've got this OM3 that we're about to talk about that went sideways. It sure did go sideways, Bruce. We've got Nikon's various vintage inspired cameras. What was it called? I'm Losing the Plot, ZF Z and that sort of stuff. So they're, they're designed to look vintage, have more of a feel like, you know, all of Fujifilm's line arguably has that DNA in their design other than the X H2 and that kind of thing. But like they've got that DNA of manual dials, great sort of feeling input that has a retro aesthetic but all based around the usability of the camera. Every dial does something. It does what? It, it's an input to the camera. [01:34:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it's not cosplay. [01:34:49] Speaker B: It's not cosplay. But is there any other brand? You know, Leica does the M11D. What's it called? No, M11D. The one with no screen. The pace, P, MDP, MPD. Anyway, Leica's got their whole series of digital cameras that have no LCD screen. Digital range finders. Is that a cosplay camera? You know, is it cosplaying as a film camera? Because it's got no screen. I don't think so. [01:35:21] Speaker A: But aren't Leica's just average cameras dressed up to be expensive? [01:35:25] Speaker B: Apparently. Except that, you know, you shoot with one, you're like, fuck, the image quality's amazing. You know, you don't, whatever, you don't shoot with one. You're like, oh, smartphone would be better. You know, like, that's not really, that's not really how they roll. But yes. So I, I, I don't know. I really think this is the first time that in pushing into what we would consider a photography camera, not an Instax or something like that. This is really. Or, yeah. Or Yashika Y35 or whatever. This is the first time that we've seen features added that really serve no purpose. [01:36:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:04] Speaker B: I don't know. Correct me if I'm wrong, Let me know in the comments below. Or send me an email. You know, if you want to, if you want to get into the mailbox the week in review, just send me. Email me justinuckystraps.com. yeah, you know, send me, but use. [01:36:19] Speaker A: Code Greg in the shop. [01:36:20] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's different. Yeah. Where's Canon's A one dash rf? Where's their vintage camera? They'll never do it. [01:36:32] Speaker A: They could bring some crackers, couldn't they? [01:36:34] Speaker B: They could, but they won't. They're too focused on just getting really, really good, sort of modern cameras out. But I would like to see some interesting stuff come out of them. [01:36:43] Speaker A: Yeah, even their latest, like the, the Zed, what Was it, the ZV that just came out? [01:36:50] Speaker B: What was that, the V1V? [01:36:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, the vlogging camera like that is a slick piece of kit. [01:36:58] Speaker B: I want to try and get one of them to review. I actually think that will be Yelena's new camera. I just want to review it first. It's got a bigger sensor, it's got a really good feel. I just need to play with it first, see if it's, it's going to do the job. But I really like that. But, but honestly, like, it's, it's slick. I would probably prefer if it had a more of a Fujifilm look to it, honestly. Like, I would probably prefer, or, you know, a Leica or that. Like something a bit more aesthetic rather than the standard kind of Canon look. Yeah, but it's a really good camera. [01:37:32] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's hard to argue. [01:37:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I agree, Bruce. Missing features doesn't make a cosplay camera. That's, that's what I, I think that's the discerning difference there, where it's like Leica decided to emit a. An LCD to give you a film experience. [01:37:49] Speaker A: Yep. [01:37:49] Speaker B: As opposed to adding a lever that doesn't do anything. Well, I know it does. I keep saying it doesn't do anything. It does what a button. Put a digital button, push could do. Yeah, I know they've programmed it to do functional things throughout the shooting experience, but it's not. Yeah. It's not something that. [01:38:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:38:10] Speaker B: You've just added for a tactile feel. [01:38:13] Speaker A: And if you could program it, if it was customizable and you can go. Actually make it so that when I wind this, it activates eye autofocus or, you know, something you don't want to dive into a menu for. [01:38:24] Speaker B: So it just becomes kind of a different button or whatever. Different lever, different input mechanism, customizable lever. [01:38:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:38:31] Speaker B: Because. Yeah, we don't. [01:38:32] Speaker A: It's not even that. [01:38:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:35] Speaker A: You know, anyway. [01:38:37] Speaker B: But maybe we're wrong. We might be just tech heads that don't understand. [01:38:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:38:42] Speaker B: Creativity and fun and art. [01:38:45] Speaker A: No. [01:38:46] Speaker B: All right. [01:38:47] Speaker A: Boring. OM3 impressions. [01:38:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Look at this. OM system sent me the. Speak of the devil sent me the OM3. That's kind of cool to test. So we're going to do an actual camera review. It'll be, I guess it's. It's your many. You've done many camera reviews. But this will be kind of my first camera review and I think. [01:39:18] Speaker A: You know, I'll hold your hand. [01:39:19] Speaker B: It's equal parts stressful and exciting. But I just wanted to give my first impressions of this camera because I unboxed it. I had a bit of a play around with it over the weekend. Micro does mean micro that it's the lens and everything. It's so teeny compared to Canon stuff. Yeah. So small. So that's a 17 mil lens, which is like a 35 mil equivalent f 1.8. Well, this is. So this was interesting. This is their 50 mil 1.8. And then that's the nifty 50 canon. And even the lens caps are like the rear lens cap. They're just so different. And it's obviously, you know, I've never really shot with any smaller systems I've been on full frame for since I upgraded from my 60 day canon years ago. And you, you do start to forget that everything's just a little bit bigger. A little bit bigger. A little bit bigger. And then you, when you go back to something like micro four thirds, you're like, wow, everything's tiny. Everything feels a little. It's like, you know, the lens cap is just teeny. Everything's. Everything fits in nowhere. So that was my. [01:40:33] Speaker A: Glad they sent you some extra. [01:40:36] Speaker B: Extra lenses? [01:40:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, an extra lens. Oh, no, it's got more. Oh, how many did they send you? [01:40:44] Speaker B: They sent me all of them. I said, can I have all of them? They said, yeah, sure. No, they sent me. So they sent me a. The. The 50 mil equivalent. I was really keen for that because I want to do some comparisons with my full frame 50s because I shoot with them all the time. This is a 12 to 45 F4. It is also tiny. [01:41:11] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like a Fuji lens. It's even smaller than Fuji lenses. [01:41:14] Speaker B: I'm interested to see what you think of all this stuff because you're used to tiny lenses, but these are even a little tinier, I think. And this is a 40 to 150, which is also tiny. Interestingly, it has that same as the Canon that my new Canon lenses like, you lock it out. So that's like stowed and then that's at 40 mil, so that's usable. But then it doesn't extend anymore to go 40 to 150. [01:41:43] Speaker A: How bizarre. [01:41:44] Speaker B: How bizarre. [01:41:45] Speaker A: Kind of like it's just moving everything internally, but it still needed that extra room to do it. [01:41:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Bruce Moyle, coming in hot. It's cosplaying as an OM one that is something that we do want to talk about. But that's what's interesting is it's. Yeah, it's. It's a vintage, Vintage inspired camera that has some, you know, physical dials and stuff added to it, but they all. They all kind of have functions, so. Same thing. Is it different? Is this a cosplay camera or is this just a retro inspired camera like the Nikon? Yeah. I don't know. Has all the modern features. Yeah. Like the Nikon zf. [01:42:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:42:32] Speaker B: First impressions of the image quality. Very, very first impressions. Because I haven't actually used it for much other than just kicking around on the weekend. Took some photos of the nephews using their rock crawlers and stuff, which is pretty fun. [01:42:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you talked about that. [01:42:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep. I think you'd enjoy it. Greg, you might have to come and rock crawl with me one day. [01:42:55] Speaker A: All right, sure, why not? [01:42:57] Speaker B: And first impressions are. The image quality is better than I thought. I think again, I'd built up in my head how much. How much of a difference there would be between full frame and micro four thirds. But that being said, I haven't had A chance to test high ISO. It's mainly been low ISO which is obviously going to have a much greater difference as we creep into the high ISOs. [01:43:22] Speaker A: Yep. One thing I'll be interested to see your experience and anyone in the chat who may have experienced this. You know, having gone to befop the bright festival of Photography here in Victoria, but also doing talks at camera clubs and running street walks. Just how many people I've come across that have moved away from bigger full frame, big heavy setups, especially people that are either semi retired or retired and they drop their big systems and go to OM because of the size and the portability. You know, like me, they find that carrying heavy gear is too much of a burden on an aging body and they move to a much smaller kit. I mean you just saw the size of those lenses. You can carry a complete kit in a small sling style travel bag, which is what I do with my Fuji stuff sometimes. And it's interesting to see what, what that experience is like for you being a. [01:44:20] Speaker B: It's. Yeah, it's so much smaller, you know, like you know, looking at mountain biking bag, my smaller one that I took out, you know, I could put all four of these lenses in the body in there and easily fit it all in there, no problem. Yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's very different there. So it is kind of the overall kit volume goes down significantly once you start adding lenses and lenses and lenses and yeah, I don't know. So it's interesting here. Paul Henderson says love the idea of the OM3, but it just doesn't feel comfortable at all. Tech wise it's miles better than my own five, but that the camera is so much better to hold. I'm, I'm getting used to the feel of it. I'm kind of used to this, you know, no grip style of camera from shooting the Leica. I've got a way that I hold it. I didn't buy a grip for my Leica either. I wouldn't, you know, unless it's got a beefy. My hands are pretty big. So unless it's got a beefy grip like something the size of a Canon R5 or whatever at the grip, it wouldn't work for me really anyway. So I sort of, I think, I. [01:45:35] Speaker A: Think small rig make a wooden grip for it which would, if you're into that, that would suit it. They even made one for the Fuji X half. They announced it yesterday. A wooden grip for it. [01:45:45] Speaker B: Interesting. We'll see if those start popping up on TikTok. But, yeah, it's. It's. It's cool. But the problem is. Is my. Hang on. Which one? This finger, my third finger. It rests on the little knob. What do they call this knob? It's like the color profile knob. [01:46:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:04] Speaker B: Which is actually handy. I liked having four tactile switches for different color profiles. I was shooting black and white in color only I haven't actually figured out the other two really weird ones. And that's cool. But it's really aggressively knurled. And this finger wants to rest up. So when I'm shooting, it's kind of like that. And the third finger wants to rest up against this knob. And it's uncomfortable. And I'm still trying to figure out, like, where it can sit. That's not. [01:46:35] Speaker A: Well, I mean, you know, if you're gonna push. If you. If you're not gonna rest on your knob, where are you gonna rest? [01:46:42] Speaker B: Well played. So, yeah, maybe I just need to wonder if they'd care if I filed it down smooth. [01:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. I've got a Dremel. I'll bring that over. [01:46:52] Speaker B: Just. Yeah. Can you Dremel it down for me? Otherwise, I don't mind it because it's got. It's got like a little thumb grip on the back that my thumb can rest on. You know, the shutter buttons in a decent spot. I. I had a rookie error mistake. I almost. Bruce Moyle just says, just remove that finger. [01:47:13] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what the Dremel's for. Bruce. Wrong one. [01:47:16] Speaker B: Can we modify the camera? Not my hand. Anyway, so I almost snapped the mode dial because it's got the little button on the top. Now, I don't know if anyone has used other cameras, but the little button on top of the mode dial, you push that down and then you can turn the mode dial. You know. You know if you used a camera like that, so you hold the button down. Cause it's locked. So the mode dial's locked. Can't turn it. Push the button down and you can usually turn it. I can't remember what camera I've had that had that, but that was a feature. This was. [01:47:49] Speaker A: Fujifilm XT5 has it. There's two. There's one on the ISO dial and there's one on the shutter speed dial. But you don't hold it down to turn. It's just a pop lock. You have to pop it down and it's. And it's fixed. Or you can press it again. It pops up. Then you can just turn it freely. [01:48:03] Speaker B: That's what this is. I haven't used one of those before and I was like cursing. I was like, what is wrong with this thing? I'm holding it down. But it didn't, when I held it down, it didn't pop it just when I lifted it up. So I wasn't pushing it in far enough. Anyway, I had a little bit of a moment and I was like, gosh. [01:48:21] Speaker A: I just didn't break it. [01:48:23] Speaker B: Wouldn't have mattered. I'd just, you know, send it back and say it's broken. Bruce says Sony's do that on some models. Yeah, it's. Anyway, so the pop lock actually works. Now that I know how it works, it actually works really well because I would just leave it unlocked but if I was doing some sort of crazy shooting, lock it and manual or whatever mode I want to stay in. So it was cool. It's, you know, it's got video. Yeah. Ergonomics wise actually I like it. Other than this, this knob. Yeah. Otherwise it's pretty cool. I haven't shot with it much with the bigger telephoto, but I don't think that's going to be too front heavy. I think it's their bigger lenses to where you would really want a different camera if you, you, you know, one of their other bodies that's got a proper grip if you're using the bigger lenses for sure. But for these smaller primes, which I think is what this is intended to be used with, like that kit, that's what I'll take to Brisbane this weekend and I'm excited to give it a try. So anyway, that's, that's my first impressions. Image quality better than I thought. Ergonomics pretty good except for the knob and the lenses are tiny and the camera looks good in person. [01:49:30] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it and having a play with it. Folks, for those of you watching and listening along at home, we're gonna, we're gonna do a review on this camera on the OM3. We're gonna do some, maybe some video footage of Justin or me using it. We'll have a written review, we'll have a video chatting about it and we want you involved. A big part of what we do here at the camera life is work with you guys. We, we feed off your comments, your questions, your ideas and we pursue them. And if we need, if we think it's a topic worth pursuing more, then we'll get someone on board to have a chat about it. So we look forward to bringing you more gear related content in the future, so make sure you like and subscribe. [01:50:19] Speaker B: Speaking of people contributing, there's a few good comments about the OM series and the OM system. Rick Nelson says small sensor with fast lenses, it's amazing. I agree. I think, I think I'm maybe when I start using these F4s is where I might start to see limitations in terms of ISO and image quality and stuff. But yeah, with the little 1.8 primes I'm pretty happy. Paul Henderson what a legend. If you want to borrow some Olympus OM System lenses, let me know. The 40 to 152.8 is superb. 1.4 teleconverter 75, 1.8 and the 60 macro. I might take you up on that because you know the other thing and I know did you buy the OM3 and get rid of it Paul, or did you just feel it in the camera shot? Like do you want to play with it and give us some thoughts? As a OM system user I would be keen, I'd be keen to know. Bruce Moyle says I know a high end wedding photographer that moved over because of a wrist injury and it stopped him from retiring. So that's, that's it. The system is smaller and a lot lighter and even Nev Clark's chiming in. I only shoot GFX when I know the images are for clients or potential prints. Hello XT5 which is another nice small little camera system. Rather go hiking with the OHM system cameras and kit rather than Lumix gear. Brett Wooderson I moved to Olympus because I'm always getting around car shows whilst traveling for work and hiking. Glad I changed. Yeah a lot easier if you like. Just going on a little trip to toss some of this in your bag rather than packing a camera bag full of full frame gear or God forbid GFX gear. Yeah, I don't know. I'm excited, I'm excited to test it out and it's fun. [01:52:09] Speaker A: So don't forget to let us know in the, in the chat, in the comments what you guys think of this system. Have you had a crack at it? Have you seen it? Have you held one? Have you shot with it? What do you think? Let us know and that'll also form a big part of, of our thoughts too. So yeah, please jump in the comments with that. Yeah, I don't think we have time to talk about size does matter now. [01:52:33] Speaker B: We're gonna have to leave that one for next week. We'll get there. I mean that was kind of this segment really but not. But kind of, yeah, there. Paul says I've only felt it at an Olympus event in Melbourne, so very limited time with it. Would love to check it out with sport, bit of birding. That's where the om5s falls. Well short. Well, let's, let's figure out a time. I don't know when we're going to be able to do it because I'm going to get it down to Greg early next week. But then after I get it back from Greg, maybe we can catch up and, and you can take it for a few shoots. [01:53:11] Speaker A: I'll try not to hog it. I'll be quick. [01:53:15] Speaker B: Okay. [01:53:16] Speaker A: All right. Let's call it a night. [01:53:20] Speaker B: Let's call it a night. 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Rick, does size matter? We'll never know. Great show as always. Nev Clark says it's actually the perfect time for the show. Starts at 5:30, which coincides with gym time. A little too dark to shoot. That's perfect. I hope you got a good workout, Nev. Hope you got. Do you get in the mirror and flex afterwards while you're listening to us? [01:55:35] Speaker A: Next time we'll actually do that again. [01:55:37] Speaker B: Oh, Nev, next time, next week you got to come on. Just off your phone, I'll send you a link. You got to jump on for five minutes while you're on the treadmill and we'll ask you some questions. [01:55:45] Speaker A: We'll just barrage you with questions. [01:55:47] Speaker B: Rapid fire while you're working out. [01:55:49] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah. All right, let's call it. On that note, this has been the Camera Live podcast, Bradley, proudly brought to you by the team at Lucky Straps, makers of Fine, Fine, Fine fine handmade leather camera straps. From Bendigo Victoria head to Luckystraps.com use code Greg Greg at checkout and you'll get yourself a nice little discount. But yeah, check out the site. We do straps, we do T shirts. Oh no, I've got an Astro Boy one on today. Not representing very well. [01:56:21] Speaker B: Wait, one final question from the chat which we can't answer because it'll. It's a long discussion, but we kind of answered it on our previous show, Errol Ebanks. Why can't we use the X half? Good to see, Errol, by the way, I think this first time in the chat, why can't we use the X half as an event camera or portraits? The flash is an LED, so it's not very powerful. 2.8 on a aperture on a small sensor means that high ISO is going to be garbage. And there's. There's a lot of other reasons I wouldn't use it for events. But if you want to know more, check out our massive two and a half hour podcast we did on Friday about the X half. Read Greg's review on it and otherwise, I mean, you can use it as an event camera. Portraits. Yeah, I just. I just wouldn't. It would be a bad choice for the money. Yeah, but it would look cool anyway. [01:57:12] Speaker A: Maybe. [01:57:14] Speaker B: Nev Clark. I want a hoodie. We'll get you a hoodie. All right, that's it. Are we done? [01:57:22] Speaker A: Yeah, we're done. [01:57:23] Speaker B: Okay, we'll call it. [01:57:25] Speaker A: Have a good one everyone. We'll see on Thursday morning with Lucinda Goodwin. [01:57:28] Speaker B: See you everybody. Thanks for joining us. [01:57:30] Speaker A: Bye, Sam.