EP34 BFOP 2024 Recap the EPIC Bright Festival of Photography

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Good morning. [00:00:04] Speaker B: Good morning. [00:00:06] Speaker A: Good morning, Justin. How are you? [00:00:08] Speaker B: Oh, a little frazzled. We just had some technical difficulties trying to get everything set back up again after being away for the weekend. [00:00:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. Someone's been messing with our stuff. It was Jim. [00:00:18] Speaker B: It probably was Jim. [00:00:20] Speaker A: Morning, Jim. If you're watching. Morning, Yelena. If you're watching anyone else that's watching, good morning. Welcome to the Camera Life podcast. This is, what is it? Episode 34. Um, and it's Wednesday the 16 october. Yes, that's right. It is a Wednesday. We're coming to your ear balls and eyeballs a day early because other plans life gets in the way sometimes. But nothing, nothing will stop the camera life podcast from going ahead. Especially this week. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Especially this week. Especially after all the feedback we got on the weekend. We missed so many listeners. [00:00:55] Speaker A: We're gonna unpack everything. Well, most things, some things are best left in storage. I will show you a very fortunate photo of Justin in a moment. If you're watching along at home. Welcome to the podcast. This is the camera life brought to you by lucky camera straps. We had the good fortune to go to our first befop. [00:01:18] Speaker B: We did it. [00:01:19] Speaker A: We did it. [00:01:20] Speaker B: We came, we saw, we walked away. But we were there. [00:01:25] Speaker A: We walked away very tired and sore. Yeah. Now I don't drink. For those of you watching that long at home, Justin clearly does, but I don't yet. I woke up Monday morning, we're still in bright. And I woke up Monday morning feeling like I had a hangover. [00:01:41] Speaker B: A photography hangover. [00:01:43] Speaker A: Creative photography hangover. Anyway, today's episode, Bruce in the chat. [00:01:50] Speaker B: Hi guys. Nice to meet you. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Hey Bruce. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Did you meet Bruce? [00:01:54] Speaker A: I think I might have. Hmm. I think I might have at some point, or at least in passing of a Ned Kelly look going. Not that I can talk. It's a great profile pic. Obviously Bruce knows how to use a camera. Let's, let's just quickly, I need to get this out of the way. I need to share this screen. So we had a seventies night on the Saturday night. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Why are we opening the show with this? [00:02:22] Speaker A: Because I think it's funny. That was Justin. That was about after his fifth can, I reckon. [00:02:30] Speaker B: Come on. [00:02:35] Speaker A: He rated that jacket from Jim's closet. [00:02:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:38] Speaker A: Hey, Tony. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Jim got it from another friend, so hopefully they're not watching this. [00:02:43] Speaker A: But I think that goes to the lumberjack look. [00:02:45] Speaker B: To be honest, it does a bit. Can you zoom in on that awesome camera strap? [00:02:51] Speaker A: Yeah, believe I can look at that. [00:02:52] Speaker B: This helps sum up be fop a little bit. This whole, this outfit, this, this night. [00:02:57] Speaker A: It does. It was, it was pretty wild. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Go up a little. Oh, what's going. Some lightning problems. [00:03:06] Speaker A: Hey, you. [00:03:08] Speaker B: We can only see the beer can. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll do. [00:03:12] Speaker B: That'll do. Close enough. [00:03:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Sorry. What's going on there? 0000 I'm a photographer anyway. This strap is a one of a kind that Justin had made for him. [00:03:25] Speaker B: It was my costume. [00:03:26] Speaker A: It was part of, was the, the key component of your costume because really everything else is just what you wore for the rest of the weekend, including the glasses. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:03:36] Speaker A: But look, in today's episode we're going to talk all things befop. Our first b fop experience. What is befop? We're going to talk about some of the workshops that we both did. We're going to have a look at some of the images that we both captured. But I came away from be, I don't know about you, Justin, but I came away from be feeling incredibly inspired and motivated to try new things. New things in photography. You know, I did workshops that are not normally things that I do and I learned a huge amount, just not only from the instructors but just from those around me. And I think it was really cool. It was really, really cool. It was one of the most important bits of it, apart from all the wildness and shenanigans. What about you? [00:04:26] Speaker B: That was definitely one of the things that Matt and Nick, who are the directors, the directors the festival really mentioned a lot was don't just do the workshops that you are drawn to because it's your normal style. If you're a landscape photographer, don't just do landscapes. If you're a sports photographer, don't just do sports. And I think it really gets embraced by everyone at the festival. Everyone seemed to be trying at least one new thing and some people were trying all new things, like they were doing all different workshops. Speaking of Nick, he's in the chat. Morning, Nick. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Oh, g'day, mate. [00:05:03] Speaker B: I can't believe he's awake. I thought he'd be asleep for at least two weeks. Good to see you. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Seems to have a lot of energy. [00:05:10] Speaker B: A lot of energy. [00:05:11] Speaker A: A lot of energy. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Both of them. It's quite amazing who else we got. We've also got Tony in the chat. He says, hey, dudes, hope your weekend was better than mine. What wrong? What went wrong with your weekend, Tony? I thought you were just watching Bathurst. What could go wrong with that? [00:05:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Where should we start? Can we start with a bit of an explanation of what beef hop is. [00:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah. For those that don't know, I feel like most of the people joining us live this morning were probably beef hoppers yourself. If you were there this weekend, let us know in the chat that you were there and how it went. For those of you that don't know, Greg, what is befop? [00:05:47] Speaker A: So befop is a three, four day long weekend. It's held in, befop stands for bright festival of photography. It's held in bright in Victoria, probably one of the prettiest places in the state, if not in the country. I think even just you and I driving in to bright, it's just like, I was just going, oh, look at that. Oh, my God. Look at that. Oh my God. Like, it was just phenomenal. [00:06:13] Speaker B: We go there a fair bit to mountain bike and it's kind of a good base for some of the snow fields like Mount Hotham and Falls Creek. So we go there a fair bit and it is beautiful and I always appreciate the beauty. But, yeah, as we were driving in, for me it was like, oh, yeah, we're just, we're close to bright. And Greg was like, oh. Oh, look at that. We could take photos there. [00:06:33] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, it's like old farm building. This is before we even arrived. There's old farm buildings and fields of, you know, it was just absolutely stunning. So anyway, back to befop. So Befop is an annual photography festival organized by, I guess steered by two key players, which is Matt Crummons, who we've had on the podcast in the past, and Nick. And they have a whole team of people around them, even just their wives do a huge amount of work in the lead up to and during befop, everyone was hands on. You know, I think, you know, between them, they got a couple of hours sleep in total each night. So. And befop, if you watched our ticket book in Shimozle a couple of weeks ago, basically befop holds. So they hold a bunch of workshops that you can help run by photographers that specialize in that field. And I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but there's countless workshops every day and they run from early in the morning till very late at night. Some of them are held in local buildings like retirement. No, what's called the senior citizen center in. And also, like up on the mountain, you can catch a bus, you can go up to the mountain for half a day or a night. And the workshops are run by experienced professional photographers and they impart their knowledge and skill, but I think befops a lot more than that, than just a workshop schedule. That's kind of the bones, but the meat that clings to those bones is the community. That's what I saw, anyway. [00:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. I think you're right. And I think the beating heart of it is the. Is the beef up hq, which is like, is the venue where everything kind of revolves around. It's all weekend long, it's open, so anytime in between workshops, you can just kind of roll in there and visit camera brands and there's a camera store in there and then there's always. There's always some of the instructors, like, swanning around in between their workshops that. Just chatting with people and, yeah, they. [00:08:48] Speaker A: Had a big stage and they did the free. They had, you know, talk. Yeah, you pay for a ticket, but they had talks running constantly, so you didn't. If you weren't in a workshop, there was so much to do, you know, and I think that was one of the best things about it wasn't. You weren't just sitting around your hotel room waiting for your time to come about. You wanted to be at HQ because that's where all the action was that. You're right, that was the beating heart. So there was presentations and talks throughout the day. On stage, there was a camera house had set up like a big stall. They're one of the key supporters of befop. And then there was Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony, Tamron, Lauer and wandered. The guys from blonde robot were there. Who else? There was a couple of other Nissi team were there. There was. [00:09:42] Speaker B: Which they took. That's the pixel one team. So there was like Nissi, but they've also got some, like, tripod brands that I always forget the name of and bags and all sorts of stuff. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So they were all there not only selling goods to beef hoppers, but they were loaning out countless lenses and camera bodies. They were providing on hand technical support. Canon brought with them a. What was. What was Louise title again? It wasn't technician, he was a service manager. [00:10:12] Speaker B: Service manager. So sensor cleanings, even. Even like basic troubleshooting of my lenses, doing this weird thing when I attach it to the body or anything like that. Obviously, they didn't have. He didn't have his whole workshop there, so he couldn't like, pull cameras apart and fix them necessarily. But he was doing a lot of. Yeah, a lot of sensor cleans and a lot of sort of just general troubleshooting for people, which was awesome to see. [00:10:36] Speaker A: Yeah. So this big community center, the hub of beef, or beef hop hq, as they called it, was constantly thriving. And you need to remember that. I think there was over 500 participants. Bruce has jumped on the chat to, say, 40 instructors. [00:10:55] Speaker B: And what they did about four workshops each, roughly because some workshops went for, say, an hour and a half or maybe two or up to 3 hours. They were kind of the smaller workshops that were generally closer by. But then there was also, yeah, as we said, like full day bus rides, which is pretty crazy. People were jumping on buses like 09:00 a.m. and they weren't getting back to 09:00 p.m. and good morning, Jenny. [00:11:21] Speaker A: Hey, Jennifer. Yes. Was there with bells on, said hi to you at the coffee van. Thank you, Jenny. And that wasn't that. Lisa. It's a very good segue. Thank you, Jenny. I do like a good segue that a big part of that. It wasn't just about these workshops and these people learning out gear. It was just a community feel to it. You know, you could just stand at the, you'd be at the coffee van. They had a van that was constantly making coffees all day, and they had another van from alpine platter who were doing a food truck who were doing the most amazing, amazing smoked meat rolls and, you know, breakfast burgers and loaded fries and all with, and they smoked their own meat. And, you know, it was fun, too. [00:12:09] Speaker B: They were happy to customize meals for me, which was pretty nice. [00:12:12] Speaker A: Justin, one day, Justin wasn't feeling quite so hungry. I was a little hungrier, so I got something bigger. But Justin got himself a bucket of meat. [00:12:19] Speaker B: I said, can I just get meat in like a bucket? And they were like, yeah, what meat do you want? I said, all of it. One of, one of each, everything, whatever you got. And they did that. And then another morning, I was starving. They did a bacon and egg roll. And I said, can we, can we level this, this bad boy up a bit? And they said, what do you want? I said, not one egg, three eggs. [00:12:40] Speaker A: Three eggs. Yes. [00:12:41] Speaker B: And you know what they said? They said, do you want extra bacon, too? I said, yeah, I do. They were awesome. [00:12:49] Speaker A: They were a lovely couple, really friendly, and everyone was in this great, great mood, great spirit. And you'd be sitting down. There was like a big outdoor table and some benches along this creek that ran next to hq. Good morning, editor. Seb. [00:13:07] Speaker B: Hey, seb. [00:13:10] Speaker A: He's excited to hear all about befop. And you would just start talking to people. And the thing that I found, I said this to Justin a couple of times throughout our week and I said, it's just magical because I'm really big on community, but when you're surrounded by your community at that level, you know, 500 photographers, 40 instructors, plus all the back end stuff and countless people there, the sense of community is so rich and thick, you know, you'd just be sitting on the bench looking at the creek and someone coming, hey, how's your day been? Yeah, good. What workshops did you do? And all of a sudden you an hour long into a conversation with someone about everything to do with our craft. Right? Anything and everything, our history with it, our, you know, helping with a camera idea or a shot idea or. Oh, you shoot Fujifilm, why would you do that? Well, you know, crops in, really, let me tell you, chewed a few ears off and, yeah, it was just magical because we'd go off and find somewhere to eat or we'd go. We'd be walking through the middle of bright and there'd just be groups of photographers here, groups of photographers over there. [00:14:25] Speaker B: That was the cool thing to see the workshops just kind of like. Because they'd be going on photo walks for like, all sorts of things. Pet photography, obviously, a little bit of street photography, that kind of stuff, and street portraits. So you just see this group of photographers just kind of moving, moving through the streets of brighten and just the cameras. Yeah, there's some wild cameras kicking around too, like. [00:14:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was full on. It's really interesting to see how many people are shooting with, like, enthusiasts, not pros, but enthusiasts, and even some amateurs shooting with Big Nikon, mostly Nikon and canon, obviously, they're the dominant brands in the, in the biz, but big, big camera bodies, current gen camera bodies, big lenses, you know, a lot of people that are, obviously, this is their primary hobby and lots of rights, retirees or, you know, people at that stage in life where, you know, they've worked hard, they've got a bit of cash, they're gonna get the best of the best. [00:15:29] Speaker B: I think there was a really, there was a really good balance between teaching, like, so many workshops. Obviously the primary function is to get people out and shooting and hopefully expose them to some new techniques or some new ideas, get the creative juices flowing and also help them use their camera in a better way. But people love gear and they like learning about new gear and maybe they're ready to upgrade. So there's a really good balance between purely just focusing on the craft of photography, but also at BFOP HQ with all the camera brands and all the experts that are around, if you were thinking about upgrading, you had the better resources than you could ever hope for at just a single camera store because you could go to the team at camera house, you could find out prices, you could learn off them and then they might say, hey, go over to. Well, this was the thing that's on my list to talk about. You could borrow basically anything you wanted from any of the camera brands. I borrowed a Canon R one. It's not even out yet. They let me take it overnight. I didn't tell them I was sleeping in a van. [00:16:39] Speaker A: In the middle of. [00:16:40] Speaker B: A park, in the middle of a caravan park, but they let me take a canon r one and the flagship camera that is not released yet overnight. And that wasn't like special treatment because, you know, I've got this massive podcast. It was. [00:17:01] Speaker A: Insta famous. [00:17:02] Speaker B: Insta famous. It wouldn't matter who rocked up if they would. If they were sort of genuinely interested. They were getting offered loan gear, massive sports lenses, I think. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Huge lenses. [00:17:12] Speaker B: Like, I think canon. At a 428 there, they might have had a 500 or a 600, like 20,000 lenses. Yep, same with Nikon. Obviously Fuji aren't very good. They only had like one lens. No, I'm kidding. They had a giant table of like GFX stuff, series, x series stuff, birding, binoculars. [00:17:33] Speaker A: But I mean, you mentioned a good point about people offering. Selling gear. Like they were all offering really great discounts through camera house. Through the Croydon camera house. Who was the representative there? [00:17:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Which they alone did a massive effort to bring up all their stock. Not all their stock, obviously, they didn't close their store, but they brought a ton of stock up and staff and staffed that sort of booth all weekend. Yeah. [00:18:00] Speaker A: And people were ordering crazy amounts of gear. Like, I remember I was standing it at the camera house table talking to a couple of people and one guy came up and he pulled out this ruffled old yellow piece of note paper with scribblings on it. He goes, okay, I want to counter an five reals mark, two reals. I want a. You know. And he lists it off about five or six rf, like top notch lenses, you know, like 2.8. And, um, you know, I don't know. [00:18:26] Speaker B: He had been testing them, I assume, or at least chatting to the camera, the canon team about. [00:18:30] Speaker A: Yeah, because. [00:18:31] Speaker B: Because he kind of went. Came over already ready to go to the camera house booth with this. Yeah, this like. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Yeah, let me just jump to Wendy Clark. G'day, Wendy. Hi. Justin and Greg watching at home. David is at work and disappointed he can't watch live. Love my lucky straps hoodie. David and Wendy Clark. [00:18:49] Speaker B: So that Wendy Clark, that's Digi Frog's partner. Digi Frog's been out. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:18:54] Speaker B: We met and he. Yeah, what a legend. What a legend. I'm sad that he's working. That's no good. [00:19:02] Speaker A: Yeah, we had good chats with him. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Yes, very good. All weekend. Yeah, we met heaps of people and so. And same. So I was showing someone a few camera straps, different sizes, and she said she just bought a 600 mil Nikon lens. And I was like, wow. [00:19:20] Speaker A: It seemed to me that a lot of people use beefop as kind of their annual stock up of gear. [00:19:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Because camera house is offering such good prices. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:32] Speaker A: And, you know, you're in the spirit. [00:19:34] Speaker B: You'Re in the mood, and like I said, you've got the resources there to literally to pick the brains of the experts. [00:19:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:40] Speaker B: The cat. The camera brands had brought their experts to the event. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:45] Speaker B: You've got the instructors to pick the brains of, who are generally, you know, if they shoot Nick on, they're going to know the system inside and out and they'll be able to give you sort of some. Some genuine advice on whether that's the right lens or whatever it is you're trying to achieve. And then. And then, yeah, you can flow straight through to a pretty good deal by the look of it. And that's what. That's what I was getting at it in terms of. There was a very good balance, I think, between gear and that fun side of, you know, new camera gear, which we all like. But also, if you had no interest in buying something new, that this wasn't a trade show. [00:20:21] Speaker A: No, no, no. There was no pressure. [00:20:23] Speaker B: It was a workshop festival and you can just spend all weekend learning to get more out of your camera and not worry about buying anything. So I think there was a great balance. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Now, I'm quite impressed, Justin, because I don't believe you bought anything. [00:20:36] Speaker B: I don't buy anything. [00:20:38] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's, you know, I don't know. [00:20:40] Speaker B: Do you know why the r one's not out yet? [00:20:43] Speaker A: See, if it was there, I got a couple of things I got. I would have been. Huh? [00:20:49] Speaker B: I would have been in trouble if it was available. [00:20:51] Speaker A: You would have been. But I ordered a battery for my x 70 because the batteries are starting to die and I got a small deflector for when I do product stuff. But I also managed to get some reflectors. Sorry, I keep saying it. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Deflector to try and keep, you know, knocking the products away or something. [00:21:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But I did get some fujifilm socks. Oh, yeah, that's probably the pride of my. And I got a Fujifilm pin. This. I didn't buy this. This was free. Got a little Fujifilm pinnae. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. [00:21:19] Speaker B: There was a fair bit of swag and stuff like that, you know, like prizes. A ton of prizes. [00:21:25] Speaker A: We'll get to that in a minute. [00:21:27] Speaker B: We'll get to that. Some of the major prizes, the way they gave away was. Was pretty fun. [00:21:31] Speaker A: It was pretty wild. So befop, the structured part and the meat of B fop was the, you know, the workshops, the events at HQ, the. The partners from retail and different brands, and they were busy. They were constantly busy. And my friend Adam, who represents Lauer and wandered here in Australia, he said that the Friday, the very first day, was the busiest, one of the busiest days he's ever had a beefop. And he's been going pretty much every year, I think. And I. He said, usually people wait until Sunday, you know, the last day, they're gonna go home. Then they. Then they flock the, the part. The. The, you know, the vendors to try. [00:22:20] Speaker B: Hit him up. Hit him up for a crazy deal where they're like, you don't want to take these bags back. I know you don't. [00:22:25] Speaker A: Come on, come on. But he said Friday was the busiest. Like, Friday was just. I mean, every day seemed busy for them, which is great, because these guys, they're not just there to sell products. They're supporting befop. They're major sponsors. They support some of the instructors to be there. I know Fujifilm. I can speak for Fujifilm Australia. They supported our good friend Ian Tan. [00:22:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:46] Speaker A: As you know, we had on the podcast a number of weeks back, talking about his cosplay photography. [00:22:52] Speaker B: Cosplay. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And so he was there. He ran a cosplay workshop, and from the feedback I saw online, everyone loved it. A lot of people were. No, he didn't come to the after. He was only there for the one, one night, I think, and he was too tired. He had other stuff going on, so we weren't able to see him because. [00:23:10] Speaker B: I was like, did I just, you know, walk past him at some stage and just kind of not even realize that it was him or something? But no. Okay, so he wasn't around much. [00:23:17] Speaker A: He wasn't around as much. Yeah. So. But, yeah, so these. These brands support the instructors in various ways, which is wonderful. I mean, I think that's that's real. That's, you know, they give back to the community in that way. [00:23:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:33] Speaker A: Through making default possible. And I know that, you know, some of the, like, camera house Croydon and Nikon, I think they're the biggest, longest serving attending sponsors. Sponsors and partners to be fop. So. So, yeah. So the meat and the bones of it is. Is all of what we've just discussed. But there's a lot more that goes on at BFOp than. Other than a structured workshop and a central location that's the beating heart of the festival. There's also the. I kind of think of it as the agitated gallbladder, which is all the shenanigans and crazy stuff that goes on. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Yeah. So at the end of each day, most of the workshops wrap up in the evening. 06:00, 07:00. Some push a little bit later, especially if they're night based. There's light painting. There was some sunset shoots that by the time you come down from, say, Mount Buffalo, you're not getting back till eight or 09:00 or whatever. The big bus trips that they do was at Charlie and Brendan's giant bus ride that they did. They usually didn't roll until 08:00 but at that part of the night, it was like everyone came together and there was shenanigans on stage which revolved, literally, literally shenanigans. So giveaways and just activities where they were getting people up on stage to take photos and stuff like that. I'll show you some behind the scenes images I got of that before. So they're doing like photo challenges. They get people to text. Oh, there was trivia, which got me very excited to get my trivia podcast happening that I really, really want to do, where we get people on the battle. Battle photography, trivia. Um, it was, it was super fun vibe in the evenings that brought everyone together. [00:25:27] Speaker A: Let me bring up a couple of shots that I took. These are just some behind the scenes stuff. Hopefully you can see. No, hang on. Sorry. So, for example, the Friday night. So that's the first night now officially be pop. They had an opening ceremony at one where they sort of laid out what, you know, what to expect for people and ground rules and that sort of stuff. But this is an auction that they held Friday afternoon, late Friday afternoon. [00:25:58] Speaker B: It's a blur. [00:26:00] Speaker A: It is a bit of a blur, but they hold a charity auction. So these are prints captured by images captured by many of the workshop instructors. And then they were auctioned off, you know, a fun charity auction. And then that money went to. I can't remember the name of the charity. I don't think even Matt Crummons knew what the charity was at the time. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Well, it's a new charity, and this is like, this is their first, biggest sort of funding injection, it was, and. [00:26:27] Speaker A: They raised thousands for it, which was great. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Yes, I think it was Chris Hopkins as part of it, the new charity. Yeah, he was one of the instructors. [00:26:37] Speaker A: But here's like the. This was sort of half full by the Saturday night, which we'll get to in a minute. This was. Maybe this was it Friday. No, no, this is the Saturday night. This was. Yeah, this was chockers. Like it was. There was hardly any room to move. [00:26:54] Speaker B: And that's the same stage that during the day, if you didn't have a workshop running, basically from about eleven or 12:00 until 05:00 there was a talk running every hour on that stage. So you could just roll in and just hear some of the great instructors just running a talk. Yeah, which, which I did to fill in because I only did three workshops across the weekend to keep my schedule nice and free. [00:27:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, definitely. There was always something to do. Bruce. Thanks, Bruce. Just under $4,000 raised for that new charity, which was wonderful. And when we get Matt back on the show, Matt Crummond's down. We'll give him some time to recover. We'll have a chat to him about that charity and get some more insight into it if you want to. [00:27:35] Speaker B: I was gonna say I'll try and get Matt and Nick on. I reckon that would be fun. Yeah, really get that. Find out the. There full debrief once they're. Once they're fully recovered, which will probably be, I'm guessing, in about March. [00:27:45] Speaker A: Yeah, Paul, highlight of the weekend. The brutal takedowns by the instructors and organizers on each other. [00:27:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:27:51] Speaker A: And yeah, no one took themselves seriously. No one. You know, there was this constant sort of digging into one another about something that happened. Someone dropped a camera off the edge of Mount Buffalo or, you know, or a lens, I think a lens went rolling away for someone and, you know, it was all just. It was all fun, it was all. Yeah, everyone was engaged and delighted to be there and be a part of what was going on. [00:28:12] Speaker B: So under my list of my. Sort of my favorite things about it is I've got just right on that. Point is, no one was too cool for school. None of the instructors were like, I don't know, everyone was approachable and were taking the piss out of each other and just having a good time. It was really fun. [00:28:33] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. So they had the charity auction. They had a bit of a shenanigans night. So there was a dress up theme. It was after dark. I think that was the theme of it, wasn't it? Beef up after dark? [00:28:45] Speaker B: That was the cool part. [00:28:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:48] Speaker B: That. That we thought was sort of rolling into what was going to be a. Mostly we watch a few things on the stage and that. [00:28:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:55] Speaker B: I said there was this after dark thing, and I didn't really understand what it is. What. How would you describe what after dark was, Craig? [00:29:01] Speaker A: You mean the outdoor bit? [00:29:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So, well, just before Twilight, we. Justin and I. Well, Justin volunteered us. I didn't want to help at all, but Justin and I helped Laydena out these, you know, these little electric candles. You know, they come in, like, from a dollar store or Timu, and we had, like, thousands of them. And we laid out a path along, outside of the community center near the. That runs along kind of next to the creek. And then we went inside and we did the shenanigans, and they did, you know, dress ups. People were wearing dark masks and I think gave away prizes and things like that. And then we went outside. They said, you know, go outside and relax and went outside. And along where we had laid the path, there was four or five performers doing. Four performers doing, you know, like, twirling with fire and dancing with. With kind of fire apparatus and. And. And funny kind of led lighting setups, and they were all dressed in sort of dark, moody kind of costumes. I want to try, and if you got any shots there. [00:30:08] Speaker B: I was going to say, I've got a ton of shots. If you want to check out mine, I'll just see if I can make them a nicer shape. Yeah, it was. It was a great. I didn't realize that part was going to be so, like, there'd be so many performers and so many opportunities to take. [00:30:33] Speaker A: Yeah, and I think that was one of my favorite parts of the. I got some of my best shots there. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was very, very cool. [00:30:42] Speaker A: Can I just show you one of mine? [00:30:43] Speaker B: Go for it. I'll hold off. [00:30:47] Speaker A: Let's go to lightroom. So this is one of the performers that was, like a hula hoop that was filled with leds. Is that gonna work if I go full screen? No. [00:31:03] Speaker B: Doesn't play balls. [00:31:05] Speaker A: No, it doesn't. Um, so she was just standing on a picnic bench, twirling and dancing. Um, here's another one that I really liked. I cropped that a bit um, but I kind of liked the way that she was. And here's another one. [00:31:21] Speaker B: Yeah, very cool. [00:31:22] Speaker A: With a sepia toning. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Yeah, old school. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Yeah, very. Yeah, I've been getting back into that. [00:31:31] Speaker B: Um, I might even. I'll just pull up. I'll just pull up my lightroom. We'll go through some of these images because, um, actually, bit of backstory. I did, I did. I did a workshop on the Friday. It was a two part workshop. Then part one was on the Friday, part two was supposed to be on the Saturday, but I missed that one. So I did Friday and then Sunday, which meant I had a big gap between the two workshops. And the workshop was about storytelling. With Chris Hopkins, who's a press photographer, was about creating a photo essay, which is usually around 1012 images for obviously, like he does for journalism. But it was all about editing your images down. First of all, shooting with purpose, in terms of being able to create a visual narrative that's not explaining this very well, because I'm not a workshop instructor, but a narrative that flows and walks the reader through a series of images, or the viewer through a series of images without burning them out, without being repetitive, and that tells a story. So it was about shooting a variety of establishing shots, detail shots, portraits and those portraits. And then the bulk of it would be action shots. And those portraits and action shots could form little vignettes around characters within this story. And it was a really interesting workshop, and it's exactly what I wanted to learn because it's not something that I've ever sort of dug into with photography. So then we were supposed to go out and spend an hour shooting this photo essay. And me being me, I decided to procrastinate, trying to think of a better idea, because I had till Sunday morning to do this. [00:33:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:18] Speaker B: So then I decided to basically spend the weekend doing my photo essay on the be Fop festival, which meant I got some cool behind the scenes shots. And that's what I'm going to share with you. [00:33:29] Speaker A: Yeah, please do. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Where are we? Let's see if this works. There we go. So this was. Yeah, during the after dark part outside. This was at the. And it's not showing me my settings here, but it was at a very. It was like a 6th of a second at f 1.2, at 3200. So it was certainly after dark. Yeah. And then these are just some. Some images from around the festival. These, in case you didn't have your workshops, like, noted down digitally, they printed every person, every attendee and their workshop schedule they printed and stuck up on the walls outside of BFOP hq. It was so cool to see people, like, walking, looking for their name. It was all in alphabetical order. It was. It took up. [00:34:18] Speaker A: It reminded me of being in high school and finding out what. What electives you got, exactly. [00:34:23] Speaker B: Yeah. What class am I in? Oh, we're in the same class. Yes. [00:34:26] Speaker A: Yep. Yep. And they also had laminated a four prints of each of the B FOP locations with a QR code. And you'd scan the QR code with your phone, and it would go straight to maps. Yeah. Where you're supposed to be, or at least meet, because some locations were a bit remote, so you had to meet where, you know, you could carpool and. Or, you know, if you were doing that one of the bus tours, where to meet for the bus and that sort of thing. So, yeah, it was really cool. [00:34:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was very good. Just made it nice and simple and you didn't end up in the wrong spot. [00:34:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Nick has just added to the comments. Definitely up for coming on the pod. [00:35:04] Speaker B: You just let us know, Nick, when you're recovered and ready to go, and we'll get you on. We'd love it. [00:35:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, we would. Go on, mate. Sorry. [00:35:12] Speaker B: These are some behind the scenes shots from the fire flow forest workshop with Aaron Walker, which was like a flash studio kind of shoot, but with fire, you know, more of the same kind of like from the. What we did at night, but bring him into a studio environment inside using flash and gels with color and stuff. And I learned a lot, actually, about color theory that I. No one had ever explained it as easily as Aaron did. And I was like, oh, I actually understand that. Okay. Color theory is not as hard as I thought it was, because I had always used gels with my flash work, which is mostly out of the studio. I'd either use, like, cto orange filters to warm up the flash, or, you know, the cooling filters to cool down the flash. It was mainly about controlling the white balance, and that was basically it. And beyond that, my color theory with gels in flashes was similar to. Similar to Adam Sandler in Happy Gilmore, where. No, Billy Madison, where he'd be like, well, I drew a blue duck because I really wanted to see a blue duck. And that would be. That was my theory. I'd be like, well, I put green on it because I thought green would look good. So I agree, you know, like, whereas he explained about using complementary color sets. And, yeah, it was. It was very cool to watch him choose his gels. Unfortunately, I shot all this in black and white. So he came see any details. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Really honored him. [00:36:36] Speaker B: Yeah, really honored his work. Now, I. So I shot this whole series in black and white purposely. They're all uncropped, as they are out of camera. And they're also with the 50 mil canon RF 1.2. And this is actually shot on the Canon R1. These are all shot on the r1 at very high ISO because this was a dark studio, very dark hall with just modeling lights or this didn't even have modeling lights. That's. That's Aaron's face, but just lit literally by the fire coming from the performer. That was at 25,600, at 1.2, which has got grain. But, man, that one can focus on. [00:37:15] Speaker A: What you're telling me. Pretty much shoots in the dark. [00:37:18] Speaker B: It basically does, yeah, yeah, it was impressive. [00:37:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:23] Speaker B: Some more shots behind the scenes. Shots from that. Setting up the lighting, getting the angles right. This was from the after dark, I think. Are you in that shot, Greg? [00:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I am. I'm standing there. [00:37:35] Speaker B: There you are. Behind whatever this giant camera is. [00:37:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:39] Speaker B: So that's what it was like. People were just sort of heading down this. That's a shot of one of the directors of the festival's bare feet in his ghoul costume or whatever he was in. [00:37:53] Speaker A: He. [00:37:53] Speaker B: Wasn't he on the after dark night now? [00:37:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:37:58] Speaker B: Yep, yep. Yes. This is interesting. They had a giveaway for a camera and they. They got everyone in the crowd to sort of remain standing, depending on how old their camera was. Was it that one? [00:38:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think. I think that was first they sort of whittled it down by brand. [00:38:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:21] Speaker A: And then they whittled down by age of camera. [00:38:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And anyway, basically they. They found two photographers that would be willing to smash their camera in order to win a new camera. But the thing was, there was two boxes and the camera is only in one of the boxes. And they had to play a little game of what do you want to keep this box or swap it with the other? The other. [00:38:43] Speaker A: It was like an old game show. What do you want to choose? Kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. [00:38:51] Speaker B: And I think this gentleman's name is David. And he won. He won the little box, flippy floppy standoff where he. He tricked the other gentleman into swapping the wrong box with him. And so he ended up with the box and he had to smash his Sony camera in order to win the new camera that's in the box. But what we didn't know was that Nick and Matt had pre planned. They were counting down from ten and just before ten they were supposed to stop him from swinging and save the camera. And then they were going to auction that camera off for charity. But unfortunately there was a bit of a miscommunication on who was going to do the stopping. And. [00:39:36] Speaker A: And David. [00:39:37] Speaker B: David. David swung and hit his. His Sony Dslr. I think it actually might have survived. [00:39:43] Speaker A: Yeah. It was a glance. You can see there. He's hit it. It's glanced it and it's. [00:39:48] Speaker B: It was a glancing blow. [00:39:49] Speaker A: It was a glancing blow. It's still on its way. [00:39:52] Speaker B: That is not a fake sledgehammer though. Oh, no, that is a real sledgehammer. And you can see here Nick realizing what has happened. [00:40:02] Speaker A: Yeah. That's not Nick's natural hair, by the way. [00:40:05] Speaker B: It was. No, this was seventies night. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:08] Speaker B: And so this. This isn't what was supposed to happen. Like. And, and Matt. But yeah. After all that a. A camera was one. [00:40:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:23] Speaker B: And that was it. [00:40:24] Speaker A: Seven mark two z seven. [00:40:26] Speaker B: It was a serious camera. And. [00:40:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:28] Speaker B: I think they gave him a credit towards a new lens as well. [00:40:30] Speaker A: Yeah. I gave him a badge. He had what he had to do the duck dive for the lens of. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Oh, that's right. Yeah. Because. So Nikon had this, uh, this duck pool. And each duck had different, um, prizes and stuff on it. And the better prizes, they sunk the ducks to the bottom of the pool. So you had to put your whole head in there and uh. And try and drag out a duck. Which I actually have a video of myself doing that, which, uh, maybe. [00:40:52] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:40:53] Speaker B: Page. [00:40:55] Speaker A: But yeah, it um. But you couldn't use your hands. You had to use your mouth. [00:40:59] Speaker B: That's right. You had to use. [00:41:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it was like bobbing for apples. [00:41:01] Speaker B: But it was ducks which feature quite a bit throughout my photos. [00:41:06] Speaker A: Yeah. They. And they. They were kind of everywhere. But also I think he got a $1000 voucher. Yeah. [00:41:13] Speaker B: Was it a thousand? [00:41:14] Speaker A: I think it was a thousand towards a Nikon lens. But he still had to duck dive for it. I think I'll give it to him anyway. Yes. It was so damn funny. It was also like at one point I'm standing next to Justin go, oh no, he's gonna really do. Oh no, they can't. They can't. Oh my God. [00:41:26] Speaker B: He's got to do it. [00:41:27] Speaker A: You know, it was very. It was a bit stressful, but also funny. And the. The flip side is that, you know, he got a brand new camera. I hope that the other one was recoverable. [00:41:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I reckon it'd be alright. I think that'd be fun to find out whether it was still operational afterwards. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:45] Speaker B: They also played a game of volleyball on seven. [00:41:48] Speaker A: Can we just go back one image? Who is this, this mob? These were. [00:41:51] Speaker B: These were. These were a lot of the performers, the models, the. The fire dancers. They were up the front and they brought the energy for David. They were cheering for him the whole time. When they saw him smash that camera, they were very, very excited. He was. He was the people's champ, that's for sure. [00:42:10] Speaker A: Yeah, he was. I've got a great photo I'll show you in a minute when you finish with yours of David the very next day. [00:42:18] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:42:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Get through your lot first. [00:42:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:42:21] Speaker A: And then we'll jump to that. [00:42:22] Speaker B: We'll whip through these. But this was the. The mega game of volleyball, which I forget. This is the Fujifilm guy I think was the ref. I can't remember what his name was. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Matthew. I've got a feeling it was Matthew. [00:42:35] Speaker B: So he. He was reffing the game in an awesome seventies ref outfit. And. Yeah, as you can see. Whoa, whoa. Love it when you do that. As you can see, the whole crowd were getting into the seventies theme. [00:42:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So basically what they did was they split the hall in half and in the walkway down the middle, they made everyone stand up. They stretched a long volleyball net and they played volleyball with that beach ball that's in the air. And that was to whittle down the crowd, wasn't it? [00:43:03] Speaker B: Yeah, they had to slowly sort of whittle down into another prize pool lightroom. What are you doing? And, yeah, it was a vibe. There was people. That ball was going everywhere. [00:43:11] Speaker A: Crazy. It was crazy. It was so much fun. And, you know, they would do this just to halve the crowd so they could have just said, oh, everyone on the left, stand up, it's your turn. But no, they had made them play this volleyball game and that whittled the crowd. I know. And from that they would. They would blow the whistle and the last person who touched the ball was chosen to then take part in a photography challenge. And this challenge didn't. Yeah, this challenge didn't go quite to plan. As much as it hurts me to admit it. They had the Fuji cam, the Fuji GFX with a 500 mm f 5.6. They're at the back of the stage and they had to try and take a steady shot at a slow ISO. Unfortunately, if something went wrong with. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Slow shutter. Sorry. Yeah, something went wrong. But they quickly just jumped to another comp. [00:43:59] Speaker B: Speaking of which, this is one of the shots that I think really sums up what this festival is like. So this is obviously a. The Fujifilm rep. Obviously very technically proficient, trying to troubleshoot what's probably, what, $15,000 worth of camera gear. [00:44:18] Speaker A: Yeah, a little more. [00:44:19] Speaker B: I don't even know. Yeah, a little more. [00:44:20] Speaker A: A lot more. [00:44:21] Speaker B: Actually trying to troubleshoot why it wasn't wirelessly connecting to the, you know, the screens up on the stage or whatever, but just the fact that he's in like, this seventies ref outfit while he's doing it. Massive hair with massive hair. That's what Bef is like, the whole weekend. It's just the weirdest and strangest kind of. Yeah. Stuff that you'll ever see when it comes to photography. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it was Joel. [00:44:45] Speaker B: Joel, he shot like twelve rolls of film or something. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Yeah, he just posted on the face on the BeF Facebook group this morning. Big bag full of film is about to drop off. Morning Cam, Blake. Morning, Cam. Thanks for joining. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Yes. From the world famous down south photo. [00:45:02] Speaker A: Show podcast, probably the world's greatest photography podcast. We're the world's greatest live photography podcast. [00:45:09] Speaker B: That's right. Equal but different. What their photography podcast is, why it's super impressive. I think they've been doing it for three years and it's basically every week just consistency. I reckon it possibly the most consistent photography podcast in Australia at the moment. I'm not sure of that, but I think it is. [00:45:26] Speaker A: Let's give it to them. [00:45:27] Speaker B: We'll give it to them. They can win. [00:45:29] Speaker A: Saying all the right that Kenzie said. Saying all the right things. Kiss, hug, kiss, hug, kiss. We're gonna, we're gonna. We're gonna do a bit of a collab with. [00:45:39] Speaker B: Yeah, we're gonna get them on the show at some stage and in the meantime, try and get him some camera straps. Yeah, yeah. Looking forward to it. It was great to catch up. They were flat out all weekend running workshops. [00:45:51] Speaker A: Do they always stop for a chat? [00:45:53] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. Always on for a chat, even though they're probably super tired. Some more scenes from this was out the front. This is like, out the front was just beautiful. There was people just milling around on chairs and taking photos and all weekend, that's what it was like. There was always photographers everywhere. [00:46:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:11] Speaker B: And what else we got? This was a. The beat. They got the bmx riders on stage to do a. Basically try and do some tricks while people did a competition of who could take the best shot being directed by couple of pro photographers. And that was super fun. We could see the photos they were trying to come up with on the screens on either side of the stage while it was happening. It was, yeah, that was some of the good things that were happening at night that were just fun to watch it all unfold and put people under pressure, try and make them take a cool photo. [00:46:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:46] Speaker B: Some more craziness from after dark. Let me skip through all that. Oh, yeah. Here's the canon, the cannon service center there to speak. [00:46:54] Speaker A: Oh, there's Lloyd. [00:46:55] Speaker B: This is Lloyd doing lens cleaning on, on the side there. Always working hard. [00:47:01] Speaker A: He's a lovely chap. We had a good chat at the, at the end of the beef hop festival. Oh, that's great. I haven't seen that one before. [00:47:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So these were some of the shots. These are all kind of a little bit out of order because I was doing the sequencing and playing with that for my storytelling workshop. These were some of the shots from the Fireflow forest workshop where I did use drag shutter. So instead of going high ISO with the r1, I did bring it down, open the shutter up a lot and. And then caught the strobes during that time. [00:47:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:34] Speaker B: And. Yeah. But still trying to do a bit of behind the scenes stuff in black and white. [00:47:39] Speaker A: Very clever. [00:47:41] Speaker B: What else. What else have we got in here? Just finding. Yeah, all the. [00:47:53] Speaker A: It was pretty brave. He was, he was. Because I said, only come up if you prepare to have your camera smashed. [00:47:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:59] Speaker A: And he went through with it. [00:48:00] Speaker B: He was. He was prepared. [00:48:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:03] Speaker B: And then. Yeah. Some of the craziness that happened on stage. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Yeah. A lot of people got up and danced. [00:48:08] Speaker B: Got up and dancing. Different characters. It was. It was a wild couple of nights. The vibe of all that sort of stuff. Oh, that nick on ducks again, on a horse head. This is. [00:48:19] Speaker A: It's just jumped in the chat and said David's camera was buggered. [00:48:22] Speaker B: Oh, it was. Damn. It's gonna be a. There's gonna be props to Sony if it could survive a sledgehammer smash. [00:48:28] Speaker A: But I think it was a Nikon to begin with. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Was it a Nikon? I thought that was a Nikki for some reason. [00:48:33] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure it was a Nikon to begin with because I think that's when they whittled it down, you know, everyone stand up. Sit down if you're a Olympus shooter. Sit down if you're a Fuji shooter. Sit down if you're a cannon shooter. All right. Unique on shooters. Who's got the oldest camera? And then they went through that. I think. I'm pretty sure. [00:48:50] Speaker B: I reckon it was a Sony. No, look. [00:48:55] Speaker A: Oh, it was two. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm pretty sure I might have got that thing else. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I think they gave away a different nick. Oh, they gave her a lenses they gave way because they did do that if they had a nick on mount. [00:49:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:49:08] Speaker B: To give away, they would whittle it down canon. And like you said, it was a. [00:49:11] Speaker A: Bit of a blur. [00:49:12] Speaker B: It was a blur. They gave away $25,000 worth of camera. [00:49:16] Speaker A: Gear and prizes and accessories and vouchers. [00:49:21] Speaker B: Cam says Sony left the festival after that moment. You know, it's interesting, Sony got picked on a little bit throughout the, throughout the festival because I think they, it was their first year there and I don't think they realized quite how loose it was, how not just how loose it was, but also how long the days were gonna be and how much. I don't. So they were often not there as much because they had workshops to run and stuff. So their stand was unmanned. Some of the times or at night they weren't around as much and I just, I don't think they were quite prepared. Whereas like Nikon, the veterans, Julie and Ross, they were, they were there from like. And same with Cannon, even though it was their first year, they were there early all the way through to the end of the night and dressed up for seventies night and getting amongst it and chatting to everybody. Yeah, yeah. [00:50:13] Speaker A: It was a different vibe. So I don't think Sony were quite prepared for the vibe as well. [00:50:17] Speaker B: No, no, I don't think so. We hope they retweding. [00:50:22] Speaker A: We hope, we hope they return because there was two, there was two Sony shooters there. So his camera. [00:50:28] Speaker B: Yes, he's now a Nikon shooter. [00:50:31] Speaker A: He's now a Nikon shooter. Um, and uh, can I just share a photo just to show you something? Yeah, that's all right. Um, just very quickly, um. You think by now I'd have this down pat but it still buggers me. And here he is the very next day. This is the day after. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Ah, and that's with Ross the Nikon. [00:50:53] Speaker A: That's right, yep. So here's his new Nikon. He's being. See, he's just sat down. [00:50:59] Speaker B: How do I use this thing? [00:51:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And basically. So Ross just sat with him to spend some time getting him familiar with his brand new camera that he's won. And that again is sort of indicative of what goes on at befop. Like if you've got a question or a challenge, you know, you speak to someone and everyone had these wristbands on. You can see there that David's got a wristband on and they were different colors and presenters had kind of red ones. There was white, yellow. [00:51:29] Speaker B: That was a really clever idea. [00:51:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Beginner enthusiast, pro, like, you know, you knew your stuff. There's presenters and runners and organizers, so. [00:51:41] Speaker B: You can scan around the room and so. All right, that's a red band, that's a presenter. I could probably, you know, talk to them about something really complicated. But then also. Yeah, within the workshops, you know, if you're band, if you had a sort of a higher level band, people might ask you, do you know where this setting is? Or whatever? And vice versa. Yeah, it was. That was a really smart idea. I think that was the first year they've done that. They said, I really liked it. Yeah, we'll see that again. [00:52:08] Speaker A: Nick has jumped in to save Fuji from disgrace. The Fuji challenge was an issue with the wireless HDMI. It didn't like an eight k output, so this. But they gave both participants the intended prize, so that's pretty cool. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:24] Speaker A: They could have just called it and said, I didn't work, but. [00:52:26] Speaker B: And that's the thing. [00:52:27] Speaker A: Hang on, hang on, Justin. The Fuji camera was too powerful. [00:52:32] Speaker B: Is that what we're going with? It was. It had too much resolution for the eight k output, maybe? [00:52:38] Speaker A: Yeah, it was just too much. Too much. [00:52:41] Speaker B: I knew it wouldn't be an issue with the Fuji camera. It was. It was an issue with the transmitting the images live to the screens, I think, with it. And there would have been so much wireless stuff bouncing around that hall. Who knows what was going on? [00:52:53] Speaker A: And Cam's just jumped in to say, nikon are always the heroes of befop. This is coming from an om user. They always go above and beyond credit to Julie and her team. [00:53:02] Speaker B: An om user, how do those ones work? Are they still. What sort of cameras are those? [00:53:07] Speaker A: Do they still cameras? No, they were now om. Yeah, they still make. They had a story. [00:53:13] Speaker B: Are they like point and shoots or something? What are they? [00:53:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I think they're like, um, you know, like what your parents take on. [00:53:19] Speaker B: A holiday must be something like. [00:53:21] Speaker A: No. And your dad holds it up like a tourist. [00:53:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And then you put him in like a slide projector to show everyone later on. Cam's never going to come on our podcast, their TikTok cameras om equals tick tock. Is that. Is that why the podcast is going so well? You guys are going viral on tick tock? Yeah. [00:53:45] Speaker A: You got tick tock. I did. I did see a lot of om users. Did you really? And even. Yeah, and even people bought because people, which was, you know, and we've spoken about this on the podcast before, you know, you carry big canon, you know, full frame bodies because you're compensating for something. Whereas I moved from canon to Fuji because the weight was impacting me physically. And a lot of people that I spoke to, not a lot, but, you know, a few people I spoke to that were testing om or had moved to Omnip had been previously big, big camera and glass shooters, but they just found that the weight was just ruining the joy of photography. So it's great for these alternatives, I. [00:54:26] Speaker B: Assume, too, when it comes to landscape, which is what Camblake does, the smaller sensor isn't necessarily a hindrance because you can just shoot your lenses more open but still get the depth of field. So say instead of shooting at five six on a full frame, you can maybe shoot at two eight or three five or something on, so you're not necessarily losing image quality because you could run a higher ISO and. Yeah, I don't know. We need to have to have him on the podcast and ask him. [00:54:58] Speaker A: Lauren. Hey, Lauren. As a micro four thirds girl, laughing. [00:55:03] Speaker B: At compensating, laughing at compensating. [00:55:05] Speaker A: And Cams just jumped in and said, we should ask Nick and Matt what the breakdown of brands are at BFOP 24 each year they gather those details. That would be interesting. I will say that Justin kept giving me a hard time at the four Fuji shooters that were there. There was more than four, I'm sure of it. [00:55:22] Speaker B: I mean, when they. When they basically said, you know, if you're a Fujifilm shooter, stay standing. The entire room sat down and then there was four people to pick from. [00:55:30] Speaker A: I had two cameras, so that's five. [00:55:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. I definitely think canon. I don't know, it would be hard to see. But there was one where they were giving away prizes and they got the canon people to stay standing and it was. Looked about half the room, but that might have just been an optical illusion or I think at some point people realized that if you just stay standing, you might get a prize. So it's like you just. Yep. [00:55:57] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe. But even just being on workshops and chatting to people, it was mostly Canada. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Nikon that I. Yeah, yeah, I think so. [00:56:10] Speaker A: And it's interesting because, you know, just from the workshops I went to, you know, there's always been this. And, look, we're probably the worst at disproving this because we've, in the, in the three to four months that I've been on the podcast here, I think we've only had one female photographer. And that was Natalia. [00:56:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:30] Speaker A: And it does at times feel like a, you know, white, cis man dominated industry. Aged, white, cis man beards. [00:56:38] Speaker B: I just say bearded. [00:56:40] Speaker A: Yeah, bearded, bearded people. But in most of the workshops I attended, I reckon 70% of the attendees were, were female, which is amazing to see. [00:56:54] Speaker B: Definitely seemed I was interested because I've got that in my notes as well. Was a wide demographic of both participants. Participants and instructors. [00:57:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:02] Speaker B: And it'd be interesting to know whether, whether it was 50 50 kind of men and women ish roughly, or because it felt like maybe there was a few more women there than men. But, yeah, again, it's hard to know exactly, but it definitely was a pleasure to see just a massive range of people. Like there were. Oh, yeah, you know, there probably, there wasn't many really young people. Like, I don't think there was a larger demographic of 18 year olds there, but I. There was, there were people in their twenties at the earliest, probably all the way through to what? Seventies, eighties? [00:57:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I think there was one guy in one of my workshops, I reckon he would have been 80. [00:57:46] Speaker B: So yeah, it was a big, wide demographic of people. And again, same with the instructors. There was, you know, there was everyone from the joels with their tattoos and their beards and their hipster film cameras all the way through to all sorts of other, like women, men, old, young, all great photographers, all teaching their craft. [00:58:13] Speaker A: Yep. And I, and I also noticed a lot of people with mobility issues were there, which was great given that we're in, you know, we're in regional Victoria. And every workshop was a travel. I saw a number of people. There was a couple of people in wheelchairs, there was people, you know, walking with sticks, with frames, which is amazing to see. Yeah, they're still getting out there and working their magic with the craft and being involved in the community and you know, sometimes those people are the ones that I got the most joy from having a chat with. [00:58:45] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. [00:58:46] Speaker A: Which was wonderful. [00:58:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:50] Speaker A: What else is on your list of discussion points? I'm glad you made it. Normally I'm the one with a spreadsheet. [00:58:56] Speaker B: I'm still recovering, make a little bit of stuff. So what's, what's on my notes? Yeah, met a ton of people trying to remember his last name. Phillip had a good chat with Philip, who is a podcast watcher, and met a lot of people. So we made lucky straps made straps for the golden ticket holders for the weekend. They were the vip's. They were the people with more money than sense. And. And we, we also made a, I don't know, probably another 20 or 30 be fop branded straps for people that wanted to purchase them in the lead up to the festival. But beyond that, there was a ton of people there with. With lucky straps that they've been using for years, including Digi Frog, who had a classic. He added like a ten year old strap. [00:59:41] Speaker A: Yeah, there were a couple people with OG straps you pointed out to me. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You could tell because they're real soft and. Yeah. Anyway, it's very cool to see. [00:59:50] Speaker A: I thought it was good because you and I were wearing lucky straps, t shirts and hoodies a lot. And we were both obviously carrying lucky straps. I mean, I think you took five, I took three. But often people would say, oh, you're here with lucky straps. And then we just have a chat and encourage them to have a look at the brand, obviously. But that wasn't why we were there. We were there to be a part of it. [01:00:12] Speaker B: But I need to feel very welcome. Like, everyone that sort of said that they were like, yep. And then they'd ask some questions and talk to us about it. Yep, that was it. Certainly, mate. Like, I've said it already, but like, we're. Unless Nick and Matt banners from the festival, we will be back there next year for sure. And definitely trying to get more involved. That's. [01:00:34] Speaker A: Yeah, we have plans. [01:00:36] Speaker B: We're pumped. [01:00:36] Speaker A: Which is really exciting because I can see why, you know, having been to the festival now. I mean, I had friends that had been going for years and had talked about it and it's something I'd always wanted to do, but having been, I can see why people are eager to go back again and again and again. [01:00:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:00:52] Speaker A: You know, we bunch into people who say, this is my third time, it's my fourth time. And some people saying I've been coming every year over Covid, they had to do virtual stuff, obviously, because, you know, we were all in lockdown, but, yeah, so. And Justin had some stock in the van of the gloves that. That is sold on the lucky strap. So what's the brand for the gloves again? [01:01:14] Speaker B: It's valorant from Norway, some of our. [01:01:17] Speaker A: Straps and a little bit of the t shirt and hoodie merch. So if people had questions, Justin would usher them back to the van and say, does this smell like chloroform to you? No. [01:01:28] Speaker B: I'd slide this door open and be like, yeah, yeah, the straps are in the. In the van. Jump in. [01:01:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm also living in the van and. [01:01:37] Speaker B: And so we weren't selling anything there. You know, we weren't. We didn't sort of set up for that and that wasn't part of us coming across. Oh, hey, Matt. [01:01:45] Speaker A: Hey, Matt. Welcome. How you feeling? [01:01:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Are you awake? Yeah. Still on the couch? [01:01:52] Speaker A: Yep. Are you? Good? So for those watching along that don't know Matt, Matt and Nick, the directors of Beefop. And we've had Matt on the show before. You can check out Matt's episode on our YouTube channel. And a lovely message from Tim. Where'd it go? Just ordered two straps while watching this. Oh, keep watching, Tim. That's what could happen. And Matt's replied, saying, hello. Thanks. Feeling good. Nothing a few beers didn't fix. So there's more than a few beers going around because Bright Brewery was, I think, also one of the sponsors and they had a. They had a bar set up at the back of hq. [01:02:33] Speaker B: Which was great in the building. So literally, this was what was crazy within. Look, you know, I do like to have a beer after hard days of photography, but within almost my arm span, not quite. I could get a beer and borrow a canon r one. [01:02:53] Speaker A: That's because you were leaning on the bar. [01:02:55] Speaker B: Yeah. But that was out. Like, it was that. Yeah. The vibe of having the festivities right. Mixed in there with, you know, the biggest brands in the camera world. It was pretty cool. I've never. [01:03:09] Speaker A: And you would have a beer with them. [01:03:10] Speaker B: They were having beers after they finished their day's work, in case any of the Canon rep executives are listening, they worked very hard and they helped everybody all the time. But then they became part of the. Part of the shenanigans, which was great. [01:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it was good. So, yeah, so bright Brewery was there and I mentioned the other food services as well. And one thing I found, even walking around town, you know, we would go into different. I went into a couple of different cafes to get coffee and everyone was really interested in what we were doing. And for sure you and I arrived. [01:03:46] Speaker B: Sorry, I was just gonna say, I guess when you see that many people sort of swanning around town with cameras, you're like, what is happening here? [01:03:53] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. Now, you and I arrived on the Friday at lunchtime and we. We had our. The van was chock full of stuff, but we had a couple of big boxes of the be fop lucky straps, golden ticket ones. Obviously they were the priority, but also the ones that people had ordered with the Befop 2024 code. Is that still on offer for anyone watching that wants to get a strap? [01:04:14] Speaker B: I haven't turned it off. So, hey, if you're not from befop and you're listening to this, just block your ears. But, but if you type b fop 2024 in when you check out, and we'll actually check, hopefully. Tim loved I used the code. If not, Tim, I'll sort you out with a refund or whatever, but you can get 20% off still with the befop 2024 code, whether or not you want to put the logo on it, leave a note when you place the order, or we'll email you anyway, if you use that code, just to check. And we might do another run with the logo if people want it. If nothing, use the code and save it on a regular strap. That's no stress. We're just winging it. [01:04:51] Speaker A: Tim's just said, yeah, he did use it. So well done. Nice discount. Great couple of straps coming your way. But we bumped into a lot of people who were curious about the brand, which was lovely. People that had seen us on the podcast who hadn't necessarily commented, but had said, oh, you're Greg. I've seen you on the podcast. I'm like, oh, you know, it was really, really lovely that, to get that recognition that people are actually tuning in at some point. And when we, when we did our. I don't know. For those of you watching along at home or watching later, you might recall that we did a live booking of our beauty flop workshops. It was a bit of a shamozzle. And we bumped into people, actually, we sat next to. I can't remember her name now. Sat next to a lovely lady who joined us on the quiz night. Cause you had to form teams, so you want to be in our team. And she talked about how she. Later, she couldn't comment at the time because it. She didn't watch it live, but later she watched our episode of Booking Beef op workshops and she was screaming at this, screaming at the screen saying, just press check out, Justin, just press checkout. [01:05:56] Speaker B: At least five people told me that they couldn't believe what I did when I was trying to book the workshops, which is pretty fun that they actually watched that episode. [01:06:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So that was good. But, yeah, so, yeah, Justin and I arrived on the Friday, stopped and had an amazing. One of the best meat pies I've ever had on the way in. [01:06:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Gum gully pies. [01:06:19] Speaker A: Gum gully pies. And then we, we went to HQ. We dropped off the straps and everything just kicked off straight away. And so it just felt like it was, it was constant. Be Fop entertainment value and then be Fop ended about 01:00 on the Sunday. [01:06:36] Speaker B: Yes. [01:06:37] Speaker A: Would that be right? Yeah, I think about 01:00 they held a closing ceremony to thank everyone and talk about the successes of beef bop and, and, you know, next year's date. They announced next year's dates and are. [01:06:48] Speaker B: We allowed to say that? I assume they're public. I guess, you know, like if you, if you were there, you already know, but if you weren't there and you think that coming next year they do know what the dates are. And I just watching to see if Matt's going to say. Don't say them, but I'm pretty sure we can say them. I don't see why we would. [01:07:02] Speaker A: And we're going to get Matt and Nick on. In. Nick on. Not Nick on. Matt and Nick on the podcast. We hope to get them back in the lead up to the date website. Ah, cool. In the lead up to be Fop 2025, which the dates are Justin? [01:07:19] Speaker B: The 10th to the 12 October 2025. It's currently 359 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes and 30 seconds right now until next year's befop begins. [01:07:31] Speaker A: So start making your plans. [01:07:33] Speaker B: The tickets aren't available yet, but they. No, I believe it's going to be within the next week or so. I'm pretty sure. But again, I'm not sure if that's for past participants only or like an open, like an early bird type thing or not. I'm not sure. But anyway, stay tuned. [01:07:50] Speaker A: We'll keep you up to date because we're keen. We're going back. [01:07:53] Speaker B: Oh, we're going back for sure. [01:07:54] Speaker A: We're going back for sure. We're going to go back bigger and better. Justin and I on the, on the car ride. So I trained up to Seymour and then Justin. Justin picked me up on the way to, to bright from Bendigo at Seymour. And we traveled in reverse on the way back and we talked about what are we going to do next year. We brainstormed and then we were exhausted, so we went quiet. This was at a workshop. This was slow food, fast food with Carl. [01:08:23] Speaker B: For those of you that are just listening, I've just pulled up a photo of Greg. What are you eating? [01:08:28] Speaker A: Something that's Carl's home. He makes his own because he's a chef and a photographer. He does food photography and product brand photography for, you know, tiful and all these sorts of brands. He's like their lead photographer for the parent company anyway, and he ran a workshop, and it was all about photographing food. And he makes this salted caramel sauce, which is phenomenal. And he constantly said, oh, if you get a bit on your finger, don't be shy. I didn't actually put that in my mouth. For those of you watching along that did the workshop after me. I didn't put it in my mouth. I was just pretending. But, yeah, this is us taking photos. That's not a real kitchen in the background, by the way. That's just a pop up. What? Yeah, it's just one of those, like the flexi backdrop. That's a backdrop. It's just one of those flexi, you know, so it's got like the. The bendy rim, so you. Collapses down into a small space, but. [01:09:21] Speaker B: It'S just a kitchen backdrop. Hang on. Is this a bench or is this, um. Is that. Is that. [01:09:25] Speaker A: That was just a bench. That was at the front of the footy club. [01:09:28] Speaker B: I thought you were gonna say that's a. Is this like a vinyl thing? [01:09:31] Speaker A: No, no, that's a real bench. He had some of that. [01:09:34] Speaker B: Sounds fake. [01:09:35] Speaker A: They had some of that stuff, but, um. But so, yeah, he's a chef as well, and, yeah, so we did. We did cocktails, we did wine pouring. [01:09:45] Speaker B: And you said this was all natural light. [01:09:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it was all done with natural light. Yeah, no, it was all about making. I mean, it was a beautiful, bright day. We were in the pavilion, which is like, you know, where the sports clubs are, and some of it was outside under shelter, so it wasn't direct sunlight, which was great. But, yeah, we did drink, we did wine pours, we did photographing food. Even taught people how to do stop motion. But the highlight for me was the salted caramel sauce. [01:10:15] Speaker B: Caramel sauce? Yeah, I'm just. I'm just scrolling through on the Befop groupies Facebook page, which is a private group, but it's got over a thousand members in there. And I'm just trying to find some of the shots from the weekend of. I mean, you can probably see while I'm scrolling through, there were so many sort of different workshops going on. [01:10:36] Speaker A: One of the big things that happened. So the Friday night, everyone's in a great space. You know that we've had a huge, creative afternoon. The shenanigans have kicked off and have taken place. The fire things happening outside. Everyone's gathering around that. They had the fire pits set up in the car park of the community said, everyone's just standing around chatting. And. And then someone came out and said, oh, my God, the aurora is flaring. [01:11:03] Speaker B: That's what I'm trying to find. [01:11:06] Speaker A: Some on the very right. Look on the right there. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I can bring those ones up there. Oh, my. [01:11:10] Speaker A: So a whole bunch of people jumped in their vehicles and headed up to. It's buffalo. Yeah. [01:11:16] Speaker B: Or yes. This is the one with the hut. Is that. That must be buffalo. Someone will tell us we all this stuff. [01:11:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Justin was a bit inebriated. [01:11:26] Speaker B: Ah, a little. So this is taken by Karen Wickworth. [01:11:31] Speaker A: Hey, Karen, if you're watching. So the aurora was flaring and buffalo the horn. Thanks, Matt. And. And so, yeah, everyone rushed out and some people were coming back from a sunset shoot. So they were up there with the bus on an afternoon shooter doing the sunset. And there's actually a time lapse somewhere. [01:11:54] Speaker B: I'm finding it. Yeah, I'll find it. Oh, my gosh. Did they get it at the oval? [01:12:00] Speaker A: That's the pavilion. Yeah. I mean, I was standing next to the fire pit and I sat my XC four and 23 millimeter on the ground pointing sort of upwards and just opened the exposure for like 3 seconds. And I was getting very strong pink in the sky. Sorry, gotta finish sentence. [01:12:21] Speaker B: Greg, keep talking. Not to derail from the aurora. I will find the time lapse and stuff. They're deeper into this Facebook group. But this photo that I've just pulled up that was in this album. This is the light painting workshop with Dennis Smith. And we actually managed to. Wasn't an official workshop, but we got to see him working for about half an hour, 45 minutes or something. With Kim. Yeah. Kim vulling in an impromptu, like, light painting portrait workshop. And it was amazing. [01:12:54] Speaker A: They were just in between two Shibari workshops. And we had an hour and they invited us to come up and have a look. And they just were playing around and experimenting with different lights. And Dennis had made his own Led handles and grips and lights, like, just phenomenal. [01:13:11] Speaker B: That's what these like. [01:13:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:12] Speaker B: See how there's this two colors and they swirl? And he's made these sort of multicolored, led spinning light wands that he uses. And he's like. He's. He's like a visual artist, cross dance performer, cross painter. It's like a choreographed because he'll open the shutter and it'll maybe be open for. What do you reckon? Sometimes as long as 10 seconds. [01:13:38] Speaker A: Oh, no longer than that. [01:13:39] Speaker B: Maybe even longer than that. Yeah. He very sneakily creeps around the dark frame without the sensor being able to expose him. And around his subject, which is often cars. But also we saw him doing it with. With a person, a portrait. And then you only end up seeing the person and all the, like, the light paint. Hopefully they put some of those photos out at some stage because it was. [01:14:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it was just magical to watch because it was so impromptu and they. [01:14:09] Speaker B: Were having a great time doing it. [01:14:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And they were just. They were riffing off each other creatively and we were just. We were just sitting in the dark watching. And it was really inspirational to watch them just engage with one another and talk. And then they. As they finished up and the Shibari people arrived, the next workshop group, they were like, oh, we could do this. And with the naked form and, you know, like, it was. They were really into it, though. It was such. Such a beautiful moment. [01:14:35] Speaker B: It's very clear that passion flowing through. Despite the fact that they probably both had massive weekends teaching, their brains probably fried. But they were still able to get into this mode where they were genuinely excited about making something for no other reason than just doing it, you know? [01:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, so this aurora happened, and full credit to Nick and Matt for organizing that. [01:15:01] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know how you guys. I heard last year you did fireworks and then this year you were like, let's get the Aurora. And who do you even call for that? Yeah. [01:15:14] Speaker A: So, yeah, everyone was really, really, you know, excited for the Aurora. And it was just such a magical night. There was so much going on. It was just all about visual creativity. And then it was just. That was just the first half a day, you know. And then you launch into a Saturday morning. My first workshop the next morning started at eight. I think some of the bus trips left earlier, you know. And I will say, I. You know, I've never hitchhiked in my life. Oh, look at that. [01:15:44] Speaker B: Yeah. So these. These are some of the shots from. I. Like Cam stayed up there, I think. Or did you go back up? I've had. It's such a blur. I've forgotten. But, like, this was obviously his team, his crew's workshop crew, all. They're taking shots and he's managed to get a behind the scenes shot for an aurora. I've never even shot an aurora. He's got a behind Aurora. That's crazy. [01:16:10] Speaker A: Matt said that some say that Nick is actually God and who knows? [01:16:15] Speaker B: Well, he's done well. [01:16:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Look at that. That's magical. So that aurora is pretty strong. They were saying that that and two nights before, it was strong as well. The one two nights before that. That would have been like the Thursday night, maybe the Wednesday night. It was one of the strongest. People were in Queensland photographing it, pointing south. It was so strong. [01:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah, we got lucky. Well, we didn't, but all the people that took the effort to go to the top of a mountain in the middle of the night in the darkest and be cold to get it. [01:16:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:50] Speaker B: Where is this time lapse? Because it is impressive. [01:16:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it's really cool to be there. So what is up there doing that? Yeah, there was a horse workshop. What was it? Um, something to do with a princess. There was that one with a child and a horse, but, yeah, it looked. [01:17:03] Speaker B: Like they had a smoke machine. [01:17:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:06] Speaker B: Oh, that's cool. Wow. [01:17:09] Speaker A: That's very cool. Search Adam Edwards. Matt has said, oh, I don't even. [01:17:15] Speaker B: Know how to search. I don't know how to do things. Do you think I am a completely. [01:17:20] Speaker A: Search bar on the top left? [01:17:21] Speaker B: I feel like I'm so close, though. I don't want to give up. You know when you're, like, scrolling and you're like, it must be almost there if I stop now. I love this shot, by the way. Was that Paul carpenter on Tom putts workshop? [01:17:35] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [01:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:37] Speaker A: That's amazing. [01:17:38] Speaker B: It was Saturday morning. [01:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Matt screaming at the screen now. Again, top of page. [01:17:42] Speaker B: Top of page. Do it. Oh, here we go. Top of page. Yeah, I see. So who was it? Adam Edwards. [01:17:48] Speaker A: Adam Edwards. Adam was the. The guy that organized my accommodation. [01:17:54] Speaker B: Oh, the search works so well. Thanks. Can you guys hear that? Sorry. I'll turn the music off, but, yeah, this is a time lapse, and that is cool. [01:18:06] Speaker A: Are they that. Are they satellites or meteors? [01:18:10] Speaker B: It's probably got to be satellites. They seem to be very well coordinated. [01:18:13] Speaker A: Starlink, probably. [01:18:14] Speaker B: It's starlink. [01:18:18] Speaker A: So cool. [01:18:20] Speaker B: It is beautiful. Whoa, look at the colors come up. [01:18:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:26] Speaker B: Now I feel way more fomo again. Every time I've watched this, I get more and more fomo. [01:18:33] Speaker A: Oh, Glenn. Glenn seems to think. Glenn Lavender seems to think that it's planes flying. There were a lot of planes. Bright. Must be. [01:18:42] Speaker B: Don't the plane. Seagulls? I mean, maybe. [01:18:48] Speaker A: Yeah, it's probably seagulls, mate. [01:18:50] Speaker B: Probably seagulls. [01:18:51] Speaker A: What? [01:18:53] Speaker B: They couldn't be planes, could they? [01:18:55] Speaker A: I don't know. Well, I mean, they light up. [01:18:58] Speaker B: Yeah, but don't they flash and stuff or maybe. I don't know. [01:19:02] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:19:03] Speaker B: We need an expert. [01:19:04] Speaker A: We'll blame Elon anyway. [01:19:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Who was there a hundred percent planes headed to Melbourne all on the same path? Okay. [01:19:12] Speaker A: Oh, okay, Glenn, we'll go with that. You better than we. [01:19:14] Speaker B: I mean, we're literally just guessing. [01:19:17] Speaker A: Yeah, we're arguing with you, but we have no idea. [01:19:20] Speaker B: We have no idea. [01:19:21] Speaker A: You're wrong, Lynn. [01:19:23] Speaker B: Now, how do you not search anymore? I should. This is not good. I do some things, but not many things. Anyway, there was a massive range of photography styles and stuff all weekend, but I'd say for most people that the people that were able to get an aurora, that was probably the. Has to be the highlight, surely, especially coming from someone that didn't get an aurora. [01:19:48] Speaker A: Yeah, sorry. That said, probably Tom's drone illegally flying through the national park. And Glenn said, I'm married. I'm used to my opinion being doubted. [01:20:04] Speaker B: And Grant says, yeah, beef up. Hey, Grant, do you want to come next year? It's the 10th to the 12th. Oh, do you guys want to know some sad news? I told Jim to save the dates. He's got an alley already booked on the 11 October. [01:20:17] Speaker A: Can't they move it? [01:20:19] Speaker B: That's what I said. So. [01:20:22] Speaker A: Hey, Grant, good morning. [01:20:23] Speaker B: Yeah, good morning, Grant. Come next year, Grant. Lock it in. 10th to the 12 October. [01:20:28] Speaker A: Yeah, because we need someone to watch the lucky strap store while Justin and I go do workshops. [01:20:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we'll be busy. [01:20:35] Speaker A: Thanks. [01:20:35] Speaker B: Stand there. That's great. [01:20:37] Speaker A: Really big of you. What else, what else? So. Well, so we had the Friday afternoon night. Saturday was workshop, Saturday night, Sunday was more workshops. B fop came to a close at 01:00 and they had a closing ceremony. Amazing experience with lots of, you know, thank yous and accolades and things that were achieved and what the hopes and dreams are for b fop moving forward, which was great to hear. And it certainly, you know, it certainly inspired me to want to come back because that energy just was sustained the whole way through, which was great. So it came to a close at one. We did manage to speak to the guys from down south podcast, and they ran an impromptu podcast from. Everyone else was cleaning up around them. [01:21:30] Speaker B: Yeah, they went live. [01:21:32] Speaker A: And went live. [01:21:33] Speaker B: I didn't realize. Anyway, I didn't get to listen to it live, which is a bit of. A. Bit of a shame, but based on the look on their faces and the fact that it looks like they're having beers, it was probably a great podcast. [01:21:44] Speaker A: Yeah, we did get a mention. They're gonna, they're talking. They talk about how we're gonna do a collaboration together and how lucky straps is gonna prepare something special for them. [01:21:55] Speaker B: That's the plan. [01:21:56] Speaker A: That's the plan. But that, that wasn't the end of beefop for us. When once the closing ceremony finished, there was still lots of people to talk to and just. And I went and caught up and had a meal. We'll call it a business dinner so that we can claim it on tax. Um, and then we met up back at hq later that afternoon, um, to be bussed up to the red Earth Lodge, which is, um, on Nick's. Nick's houses up on. Up on. Halfway up the mountain. Gorgeous property. So amazing. Where all of the organizers and I, workshop instructors and partners, all met for just an unwinding session. There was plenty of beers, there was fire pits everywhere. They brought in a shitload of food. And it was just a nice way to end what had been a huge, creative weekend to sit down and talk to people about everything from photography to life and everything in between. I mean, I know photography is life, but you get what I'm saying. [01:23:08] Speaker B: Yeah. I think everyone was. A lot of people were just enjoying a chance to have a chat with people they hadn't caught up with through the weekend because they were so busy. I said it a few times that night, actually, because everyone looked pretty tired, pretty exhausted, and sort of ready for a rest. And I was like, I feel like Greg and I cheated a little bit because as much as it was a big weekend for us, but we didn't have. Teach any workshops, we didn't have a stand to run, so we were kind of like, we were just participants, basically. Yeah. And we got to still. Yeah. Get the full benefit of being part of it and also fly the flag for. For lucky straps at the same time. So we. Yeah, I think we might have figured out a hack this year, but next year. Next year, next year we'll be going in. [01:23:54] Speaker A: Although if Grant and Jim come, then they can, you know, we'll talk later. [01:23:59] Speaker B: Then we'll figure it out. [01:24:03] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. How would you summarise befop for someone that had never been before to kind of not just say, oh, look, it's a photography workshop festival or it's a, you know, it's a schedule of workshops. What. How would you impart what befop is? Its spirit to someone that you're explaining it to? [01:24:26] Speaker B: It's tough to summarize. I summarized it with my images in a post in this group as it was like we fell down the rabbit hole, like, we thought we were going to a photography festival and we ended up in upside down land where everything is different and there's seventies afros playing with $15,000 cameras. And it, it's not your regular photography festival, but it is absolutely something that I think anyone can get a lot out of anybody from any style of photography. Any, any instructor that I don't, I'm imagining they don't have any trouble finding instructors. But if an instructor wasn't sure if this was the festival to be a part of, it absolutely is. You'll have a ball and the participants will be super excited just to be a part of whatever it is you're putting on. The, you know, people weren't joining workshops just thinking, oh, I better get enough out of this to make it worth my while. They were just joining thinking, this is going to be fun. [01:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:29] Speaker B: So yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to summarize it, but it is absolutely unique. I don't know of any other festival like it, that's for sure. If there is, I want to go to it. But, yeah, I can't imagine. I've never been to anything like it before. [01:25:44] Speaker A: Yeah, no, same, yeah. I think for me, I used a couple of words talking to you about it and others. I said that it was very surreal and it was almost magical. [01:25:55] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:25:56] Speaker A: And I think at one point I said to Matt towards it, although granted, it was after we got off the bus from the after party, so, you know, a few beers have been had. But I said, thank you so much for a magical weekend. He kind of laughed at me, but as a first timer, it was so, it was the most fun you could have being a visual creative, a photographer or videographer. There was lots of video stuff too, but it was the most fun you could have being a photographer that you absorbed so much creativity, so much knowledge and skill. And also that sense of community was absolutely massive. [01:26:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:38] Speaker A: You know, and everyone was there for everyone. No one was really there for themselves. You know, it was all about sharing experiences. Like, you know, one of the workshops I went to was run by Jesse, who's a bright resident and photographer. And this was actually his be fop because even though he lives in bright, he's always been on shoots or away every time be fops on. But we had a workshop doing intimate couple, intimate portraiture with a couple, lovely couple. And I got some of my best shots at that workshop. But Jesse's such a very open and emotional person, and he's very much about connecting with his clients or with his models. And it was such a, such a deep emotional experience that he created for us, standing in this, you know, wooded field with the sun coming in at a low angle first thing in the morning. And one of the participants kind of piped up and said, look, I'm sorry. I don't know if I can do this. You know, I've just had a recent tragedy in the family, a loss. And she started crying, and then Jessie started crying. And then the model started crying. And then one of the other participants started crying. And then I started tearing. You know, it was just really, you know, you don't get that at normal photography workshops. It was very wholesome, very humble, very real and raw. And I think that's sometimes the best way to learn things is to, you know, when it's when you expose yourself and make yourself a bit vulnerable, don't hold yourself up like, oh, I know how to take portraits. I don't need to, you know, do a breathing exercise before I start taking portraits. But, you know, it just changed the dynamic of what some people might find to be a dry process. You know, sitting through a class, learning something you think you might already know. It just turned into such a memorable, I'll never forget that moment as a creative. [01:28:28] Speaker B: I guess it also could help some people switch away from the thought of what settings am I going to use, you know, like, like instead of approaching a portrait from lens choice, aperture, you know, that sort of stuff. And they start thinking more, more deeply about, yeah, situation and, yeah, and being. [01:28:48] Speaker A: Present and observing what's going on. I took some of my best shots of that couple during that shoot with Jesse. While Jesse was, I was listening Jesse, I promise. While Jesse was talking to, talking to the group, I was sitting on the ground capturing the couple's intimate moments and moments together while they were just waiting for the shoot to start, you know, because they were being very open and raw with each other and it was just, yeah, incredible experience. It's really hard to put into words despite having spoken to for the last five minutes non stop. [01:29:23] Speaker B: You seem to find a way. [01:29:24] Speaker A: I do, don't I? I do like words. It's kind of my, so I make money. Um, but, um, huge credit to Matt and Nick. Yes. [01:29:36] Speaker B: Massive. [01:29:36] Speaker A: We're not sucking up because we want to spot it next, next year's. [01:29:39] Speaker B: Yeah, we are sucking up. We love you guys. [01:29:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's totally shallow. Um, but no, it was, it was an incredible experience, guys, full credit to you. Like, there is nothing like that anywhere. And I think, you know, to you and your partners, equally well done and thank you. Thank you. For such an incredible, eye opening, real experience doing what we love most. It's really. It's really quite beautiful. So that's kind of our wrap of beefop 2024. If you've been watching along Justin, scrolling through the Befop Facebook group, what's called BFOP groupies. [01:30:22] Speaker B: B fop groupies. There's so many posts in here, you can go for days just, like, scrolling through. [01:30:28] Speaker A: And when you do scroll through, you'll see just the crazy variety of photography styles. You know, like, here's a. Here's a child being a princess with a horse, and then, you know, there's this flame photography with performers and there's just so much going on, I think. Justin, didn't you go to a BMX? Did you go to the BMX workshop or was that something else? [01:30:53] Speaker B: I didn't. I wish I did, but I didn't. I chose to try and get out of my comfort zone a little bit, but this is what I was looking for. So somewhere there is a video. I don't know where it's gone. Oh, anyway, there's a. Yeah. [01:31:09] Speaker A: Video of a kind of mobility scooter riding a skate park. [01:31:14] Speaker B: Skate park with cameras coming at him from every angle. [01:31:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:18] Speaker B: And I still don't know if that was planned or if he was a random local. I have no idea what. Or was he at the. Was he a participant? [01:31:25] Speaker A: I don't know. It was funny. If you've always wanted to do. To attend beefop or you've heard about it, take it from us, it's well worth trying to get a ticket. It's well worth looking into some workshops that will challenge you and put you in, put. Put you out of your comfort zone and really test your photography skills because you'll learn so much. What is going on here? [01:31:55] Speaker B: I believe that's Tom putt, who was one of the. There was some, like, all of the instructors were amazing, but there was a few standout characters, obviously. Obviously Matt and Nick. But, yeah, Tom put great sense of humor and heaps of energy. Dennis Smith as well. Yeah, I mean, there was tons of them, but, yeah, they all seem to be sort of bouncing around all weekend, keeping the vibes high and being silly just with. [01:32:21] Speaker A: Sorry, cut you off. [01:32:23] Speaker B: No, I was just going to say, that's what I. When I wrote down, no one was too cool for school. That's really sort of what I thought. It's like everyone seemed to have a very good sense of very light hearted approach to their work. While they're all artists, no one took themselves, too. Seriously. [01:32:38] Speaker A: No, it was very cool. Regarding the guy, the elderly man riding his mobility scooter through the skate park. It was just a local went through and Tim said, and he also said, you're never too old. What a great attitude. [01:32:53] Speaker B: Hang on, hang on, hang on. Is this. That's what I think it is. This is the countdown to the three, two. [01:33:08] Speaker A: Oh, no, Matt didn't say one. He stopped. [01:33:12] Speaker B: And they actually stopped. They grabbed the hammer, too. Watch it again. They actually grabbed the hammer. [01:33:17] Speaker A: Four, three, two. [01:33:25] Speaker B: That's so good. I hadn't seen this video before. [01:33:28] Speaker A: That was the worst. Nicky was so bad, this game. He had one job, which was not counting to ten. [01:33:36] Speaker B: Good night. Oh, that's great. It is so good. There's so much stuff in this group I haven't seen yet. And that was one of them. And that was fantastic. So that's how it went down. That's how the Sony got smashed. But it all worked out well with a nice new Nikon. [01:33:53] Speaker A: It did. And good luck David learning a new system. [01:33:56] Speaker B: Oh, here he is. [01:33:57] Speaker A: Oh, here we go, here we go. [01:34:01] Speaker B: Just a local coming through during bmx photography. [01:34:05] Speaker A: I don't think I've ever seen a mobility scooter with wheels that big. I think he's done this before. [01:34:09] Speaker B: I reckon he's done that before, too. [01:34:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I reckon he's down there weekend with the kids doing nangs. [01:34:15] Speaker B: That was great. I think that's. That's about the best way to wrap up and summarize that week in those two videos. [01:34:24] Speaker A: Yeah, most definitely. Memorable. Inspiring, fun. Just funny. Just laughing so much. [01:34:35] Speaker B: Yep. [01:34:36] Speaker A: And just. Yeah, engaging with people. It's just really wonderful. So, yeah, thanks again, Nick. [01:34:40] Speaker B: We've got a. And the team, we've got a massive list of photographers from the weekend that we're going to harass to try and get on the podcast. I'm sure they'll try and elude us as much as they can, but we will chase them down and drag them on. [01:34:55] Speaker A: I've got. [01:34:55] Speaker B: Because you've got names. [01:34:58] Speaker A: We'll take your names all weekend. [01:35:00] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll be coming for you. So you can run, but you can't hide. Everyone wants to hear from you, all of the. All of the instructors, when you get them all on and, yeah, go through. Go through what they did. Glen Lavender. Cough. Cough. You just wait. Oh, yeah, you're on. Everyone's on. [01:35:21] Speaker A: Yep. But I think that's about all from us today. We. Justin, what have you got planned for the weekend? You've got some stuff coming up. I know. It's a nice day. [01:35:30] Speaker B: A last minute flight to Cairns to the Palm Cove for a wedding on Friday. We weren't going, and now we are going. It was. [01:35:42] Speaker A: How does it make you feel to know that you're only going because someone canceled? [01:35:48] Speaker B: There's more to the story than that. Oh, we were originally invited. We couldn't go. Now we can go through some fortunate events that allowed us to be able to go. And now. So we made the snap decision to go. But that means this, this week, this work week for me has gone from a week to Tuesday and Wednesday, which is why we moved the podcast. So thank you to those that tuned in on it on a different day. And yeah, I'll be up there. I'll probably. I'm trying to decide what. What do I take? So I'm going to a wedding. I'm not the photographer. I do enjoy taking photos from a guest's perspective at weddings, especially if I just do what I did here and shoot them in black and white and don't edit them or crop them because there's no post processing and it makes life easy. But do I take the 50 on a cannon again or do I take the Q three, the Leica Q three that I didn't shoot on at all during this festival? No. [01:36:45] Speaker A: It sat in the car the whole time. [01:36:47] Speaker B: Yeah, it just sat there. [01:36:49] Speaker A: Why don't you take the x 100? [01:36:52] Speaker B: The original one? [01:36:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:54] Speaker B: Because it challenges us. Because it sucks. It barely focuses. [01:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's the challenge, isn't it? Put it in manual focus. [01:37:04] Speaker B: No, they're horrible in manual focus. There's no feedback. They just dial the ring in and then it like slowly changes an unknown distance of focus. [01:37:14] Speaker A: All I'm hearing is excuses. I would probably just take the Q three. [01:37:18] Speaker B: Hmm. Think about it. [01:37:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you're going to take carry on, aren't you? You're only taking carry on or are you checking? [01:37:24] Speaker B: Yeah, now we're taking carry on. Yeah, take the Q three. [01:37:26] Speaker A: Although it's pretty heavy. [01:37:27] Speaker B: But still pretty heavy. 700 grams. [01:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah, but for the size of it, it's heavy. [01:37:35] Speaker B: I don't think so. For a full frame camera with a prime lens. I don't know if there's anything much longer. [01:37:42] Speaker A: I don't know if you've noticed along at home people, but Justin's all about sensor size. He's been giving me crap all weekend about my crop sensor. [01:37:50] Speaker B: It's interesting. It's interesting. Greg, you seem to play both sides of this because you, you champion the crop sensor. Yet you also talk up the GFX system for its biggest sense of image quality so that I don't know if you can have it both ways. Although Fuji has figured out a way to have it both ways. So props to them for basically going, you know what, we can just go either side of this. [01:38:10] Speaker A: I think you just answered your own question, mate. [01:38:12] Speaker B: We win both sides. Cannon for the win. Cannon always for the win. I'm. I'm becoming more and more a one eyed cannon monster. Talking to them all weekend and look. [01:38:25] Speaker A: You make lovely images with it. It. I'm sure that they appeal to someone. Today I'm going. My photography plans this week. Like you, I've. Yesterday was kind of a down day. I just, I started editing my photos. I had about 3000 on two cameras. Whittled it down to about 500 at this stage. So still going through that process of editing and reviewing and stuff. Today I'm actually off to the city in Melbourne. I'm meeting up with some photographers for greybeards that are heading over from I think Geelong in Victoria and I'm taking them on a street walk through Melbourne. [01:39:06] Speaker B: Nice. Because you just hadn't hung out with enough photographers recently. You just were keen to. [01:39:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm hooked. But actually got. While we're away, I think I showed people on the podcast last week. I got this tie Poc 28 mm that was all metal. It's a one four manual focus lens for Fuji Xmount but they do it for rf and e and all of that. They also sent me a 35 mm which is much the same but it's an all metal chassis 35 one four. So I'm going to take that with me today. It's manual focus which I discovered I hate but I'm up for the challenge. Um, yeah. Other than that I've got to get some writing done. Gotta pay some bills. [01:39:50] Speaker B: Pay some bills. [01:39:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:39:51] Speaker B: The, um. Was I gonna say do we want to do. Won't do. Any news today but there was, are there any announcements? There's an announcement that happened that we'll talk more about next week but just. [01:40:03] Speaker A: Very quickly Fuji released the XF 500 mm. 5.6 I've reviewed which is a. [01:40:11] Speaker B: What's that equivalent to on a 757? Yeah. So it's a massive like that's a. Yeah. [01:40:17] Speaker A: And it also pairs well with the 1.4 teleconverter. So you're looking at up to a thousand. [01:40:24] Speaker B: That's crazy. [01:40:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that looks like that. Right. [01:40:28] Speaker B: Oh, 750. Yeah. [01:40:30] Speaker A: There equivalent. So that dropped day before yesterday. So I got sent that from Fuji. That was what was in the big. The big case. [01:40:42] Speaker B: The big. [01:40:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I couldn't reveal it. 21. I was very good, but I reviewed that. That's now live on Shotkit calm. If you want to have a look at the review of the 500 mil, the brand new Fuji 500 mil, it's going to be about five and a half australian dollars. Five and a half thousand australian dollars. [01:41:01] Speaker B: Yeah. That's quite recent. [01:41:04] Speaker A: Yeah, around five. They also announced a mark two of the very popular red badge Fujifilm XF 16 to 55 2.8. I saw that. That's a cracker of a lens. The new one has a switch to turn off the clicky aperture, so it's also good for video. And they also announced the return of the Xm series with the Fujifilm XM five, an entry level APSC 26 megapixel, but the latest x trans processor. It's got some really current gen features, which is nice, which is the processor, but not the latest 40 megapixel sensor. It's an entry level camera, but it's a. It's a fun little compact shooter that takes all the x mount lenses. So that, that's the kind of the big. [01:41:48] Speaker B: In a camera that size. Honestly, I'd rather image stabilization than a 40 megapixel sensor, personally. [01:41:53] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that one doesn't have. [01:41:56] Speaker B: No, it doesn't have it. I was saying, if I. If someone said, hey, it's going to be 150 dero, would you rather it be 40 megapixel or stabilization? I'd rather stabilization, because 26 is perfect. [01:42:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And Fuji are flogging it as a bit of a, you know, like an influencer. Visual, creative vloggers. [01:42:16] Speaker B: So they're going up against om in the. [01:42:18] Speaker A: Yeah, and, you know, it's got a, like, the screen. The screen. The screen flips out and rotates so you can vlog, hold it and vlog. And the touchscreen has all sort of key kind of icons for camera settings and stuff, so you can, while you're vlogging, you can tap and change things on the go. So. Yeah, so that's. That's cool. But they also, when they did the announcement, they had two other camera bodies that were covered in, like, these weird japanese hankies. So strange on the table. So they had the, the XM five, the 16 to 50, and the 500 on the table. I'm pretty sure that's what they had. And then they had what looked like another small camera, which I'm hoping is a Fujifilm xe. Five. That's. That's going to be my next wishlist item. And then another bigger camera. Who knows? I mean, Fuji rumors predicted that the XM five was going to be a one inch micro four thirds sensor. Clearly they got that right. [01:43:18] Speaker B: Hang on, didn't someone say it was gonna be a half frame sensor? Yeah, half feet with a half frame film camera. That doesn't even make sense. [01:43:27] Speaker A: It was all like, you know, we've confirmed it, our inside sources have confirmed it, and. So. Sick of Fuji rumors anyway, so, yeah, there's a lot going on in the land of Fuji. [01:43:36] Speaker B: So. Hang on, though. You said this is a Hank, so you're saying there's two more Fuji cameras to come in development, but they just do it by showing a hanky with possibly any camera underneath it? [01:43:48] Speaker A: Yeah, but. [01:43:49] Speaker B: Okay, so one of them could be a GFX. So, yeah, bigger. Could be bigger. [01:43:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it looked big. I reckon I'm gonna. I'm gonna put a guess out. I'm gonna say it's a new GFX. Ah. Camera. So they had the 50 r, which is like a rangefinder style, look like a, you know, a beefed up X 100. But I reckon it'll have a fixed lens like the X 100. I reckon that'll appeal to that, Justin. [01:44:15] Speaker B: Yes. [01:44:16] Speaker A: So I reckon it's that. I reckon it's a new. I reckon it'll be 100 r with. [01:44:20] Speaker B: With basically a fixed version of the 50 Mil 3.5. [01:44:24] Speaker A: Yeah, probably. Which is like, compact, about a 27 or something. Doesn't it know about a 35? [01:44:31] Speaker B: 35, I thought. [01:44:32] Speaker A: Yeah, but it'll be compact for a GFX. [01:44:37] Speaker B: Wow, that'd be great. [01:44:39] Speaker A: I reckon the other one will be either. I reckon it'll be something like an XC seven, sort of a mid range xe five. It'll be a mid range, given they've just launched an entry level and they've already, you know, they've got the g effect. Sorry. They've got the X T five, XT 50, the XH two and the XH two sdhe in the flagship, sort of top tier. I reckon they'll have something like an XC five and enthusiast level. [01:45:08] Speaker B: Yeah. So would that. Would that gain the 40 megapixel sensor, maybe, over the XM five or something like that? Yeah. [01:45:14] Speaker A: And that'll go off and maybe ibis. [01:45:16] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll see. [01:45:18] Speaker A: Because, you know, they released the XT 50, which was technically an enthusiast level camera, even though. And they're also marking it at beginners. But the XT 50 has 40 megapixel x trans five processor and ibis. So it's all current gen stuff. [01:45:33] Speaker B: And it's the same price as an XT five at the moment. [01:45:35] Speaker A: Two basic cheaper. [01:45:36] Speaker B: Yeah. So they need something that is that next step down. [01:45:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:40] Speaker B: In price from. From that, for sure. [01:45:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Otherwise they're kind of. They're ignoring a big chunk of their market. [01:45:47] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [01:45:48] Speaker A: That middle band like me. So, yeah, that's what's happening in the land of Fuji. [01:45:52] Speaker B: Other than that, DJI air three s come out today as well, which we also won't really talk about too much, but it's basically the mid, I don't know what you call it, one down from the flagship mavic in there. Before you get into enterprise level drones, it's kind of like a second best drone you could get. I've got the Mavic three classic myself, but they say that the air three s and DJi actually said this. So the air three s has always been a smaller and. And a step down from the mavic. What, sorry? The Mavic three, or like that, they're pro ish drone. But every time, every so often, usually when same, when the two s come out, it's often in the life cycle that it actually becomes a better, a better overall drone in almost every way. And they. And they said this in their marketing. In their marketing press release, it says, the camera, the quality of the output is better than the Mavic three pro. [01:46:50] Speaker A: I'm like. [01:46:51] Speaker B: You don't often see that. [01:46:53] Speaker A: No. You know, like, supersedes a superior model, kind of. [01:46:57] Speaker B: It supersedes a superior model that's currently still for sale. It seems odd, but anyway, the test. [01:47:04] Speaker A: Maybe they're trying to drive people to. You know, they drive people to a different model because it's cheaper for them to manufacture? [01:47:10] Speaker B: No, I think. Yeah, well, yes, but maybe not because it's cheaper to manufacture. But I think they've found that there's this. They can maybe bounce people between product lines a little bit, which drives more, a more regular purchase cycle. So instead of me just waiting for the mavic four to come out, maybe I go, oh, I'll get the air three s. It's actually better, but it's also a little bit smaller. Blah, blah, blah. So I get that, and I have that for a year or two, and then all of a sudden, the mavic four comes out and it's better again. And so all of a sudden, instead of me just doing one life cycle upgrade, I'm doing two. [01:47:44] Speaker A: Yep. [01:47:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. I can't see. Because normally they just, companies like that would not put in their, in their act. They'll let YouTube reviewers say, oh, it's actually better or whatever, but they won't, they won't actually put it out themselves that it's better than their other model. So it's super interesting. Anyway. [01:48:00] Speaker A: It is. It'd be interesting to see, because we talked last week or the week before in the news segment about how DGI are being banned in the US because they're a chinese owned company and, you know, China's out to get China's, the new Russia. They're out to get them. Although having said that, there was an article here this week about how a popular model of vacuum robot household vacuum robot is hackable. And ABC did an investigation and a report. There's a video on it online. I have to find it where they got this guy who was in Germany to hack into this other dudes, this australian guy's robot vacuum, and access the camera. But he also dropped like a package. I don't know what the digital terminology is, but they, he downloaded an update to the vacuum so that he could manipulate its little, its little audio output because it beeps when it's running flat and stuff, or it's stuck to actually use like chip tones to create a voice. And he said, hi, Matthew, or whatever. [01:49:05] Speaker B: The guy's name was, the robot vacuum said hi. It's like, fuck that. So that's scary. [01:49:13] Speaker A: And so, and the brand has come out. The brand, they've known about this. The brand has come out saying, we've known about this floor for a few months, but they still haven't fixed it. [01:49:22] Speaker B: Wow. [01:49:23] Speaker A: And it's opened up another whole can of worms of being spied upon because. [01:49:27] Speaker B: Yeah, not only do they have cameras, but they all, I think a lot of them have like a lidar scanning. So, yeah, they map the whole room and like, if you can hack that. And I guess that's where that there's that potential, you know, there's, there's one thing to think, oh, maybe some random hacker might get into it. But then, yeah, I guess once you start thinking, hang on, what if it was a bigger or nefarious organization or potentially country? But like you say, that's probably just scary scare monger. Voodoo. Yeah, yeah. But who knows? Yeah, it makes you worry about having these devices around sometimes with. Yeah, yeah. [01:50:04] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean, I know there's been situations where some, some computers can be hacked to access cameras. That's been around for ages. And you can even buy those little stick on clips that cover your camera. [01:50:15] Speaker B: Yeah, awesome tape. [01:50:18] Speaker A: Yeah, bit of tape. Yeah. Anyway, it's just an interesting evolution of all that tech. But anyway, that's for another day. [01:50:30] Speaker B: For another day. What a way to work. [01:50:32] Speaker A: About the news, I mean. [01:50:34] Speaker B: But that's good because we've, we've dragged on for long enough that Digi frogs here. What's up? Hey frog. Jenny Cooper cost me a new lens. Haha. Why did I do the sports workshop? [01:50:45] Speaker A: What happened there? [01:50:46] Speaker B: I bought an awesome new lens. [01:50:48] Speaker A: Ah, okay. [01:50:51] Speaker B: I don't think you lost the lens. [01:50:52] Speaker A: No, it seems like. Justin, did you manage to get out of bright with the spare wheel, right? [01:50:59] Speaker B: I wish. I'm so, I'm so stoked you got that photo of me holding it. I think that might be the only photo of me with the r one. So I'm pretty happy that we got that. I'll have to get it off you. But no, I didn't steal the r one. I've got a good relationship with Canon and I didn't want them sending their, their security around to collect it off me at my house. [01:51:21] Speaker A: Yeah, most definitely. And look, I think on that note we're going to call it a day. This has been the episode 34 of the Camera Life podcast. Fortunately, not overly fujifilm flavored this. Finally, justice. Finally. Although I did get Fujifilm socks. [01:51:44] Speaker B: Well, we won't be getting any Fujifilm photographers from Be Fop on the podcast. We're gonna go Teddy, we're gonna go canon, then Nikon, then Olympus, then Sony. [01:51:56] Speaker A: Pretty sure I'm in charge of the guests. But anyway, what have we got up next week? So next week's the 24th and I think we've got a friend of mine, John, he's a Fuji shooter. He's a street photographer. He's just gotten back from a trip to the UK and some parts of Europe and he's an exceptional street photographer. So we're going to have a chat to him and look at some of his work. For those of you watching along at home, thank you for joining. Thanks to everyone who's commented. And if you're listening to the podcast audio podcast later, be sure to find some time to check out some of our images from, from this, from this week's show. I encourage, I don't want to encourage everyone to look into going to be fop because I don't want to miss out on going myself because I miss a ticket. [01:52:55] Speaker B: There is only limited number of tickets. They said they cannot grow it any bigger so it sells out every year and it can't grow. So if you are interested, do not delay in getting your ticket because I think it, it's capped at 550 and I don't think they're looking at expanding it ever. [01:53:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, so, but, yeah, phenomenal experience and I highly recommend everyone get to be flop at some stage in their creative career or creative pursuit time. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. [01:53:23] Speaker B: Thanks. Wendy says get back to work. Did you? Glynn Lavender says we're going to talk all things Tamron. I think that's actually a good compromise because basically covers off all brands other than canon because canon still clinging on to those proprietary lenses. But yes, that's a great idea, Tamron. [01:53:43] Speaker A: Yep. That'd be nice. And yeah, Lauren, peace to you, my friend. [01:53:48] Speaker B: Peace out. [01:53:49] Speaker A: Thanks again to everyone. And Justin, thanks for doing all the driving. [01:53:52] Speaker B: You're welcome, Greg, thanks for coming with. Thanks for coming with me from. Yeah, twice, twice a year be fop spring. Oh, no, be fop spring. No, it was spring. Need to have beef up. [01:54:08] Speaker A: Spring be fop autumn. [01:54:11] Speaker B: Bef autumn. [01:54:12] Speaker A: The fall of be fop. [01:54:13] Speaker B: Like two, twice a year be fobs. I don't know if the boys be able to handle that. Anyway, that's. Should we call it? [01:54:22] Speaker A: We're gonna call it. We love you all. Thanks for watching along. Feel free to continue to add comments and please like and subscribe. This is the camera Life podcast brought to you by lucky straps. And, yeah, get out and shoot. [01:54:37] Speaker B: Yeah, and we'll catch you guys. [01:54:40] Speaker A: I'm out of words. First for everything.