EP10 Weekly Live Photography Show

[00:00:02] Speaker A: We're live. [00:00:02] Speaker B: Hello. [00:00:03] Speaker C: Hello. [00:00:04] Speaker A: Hi. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Hey. [00:00:05] Speaker A: Good afternoon, gentlemen. That was a. That was a loud beer, Grant. Cheers. Cheers to you. Yeah. Good afternoon. How is everyone? [00:00:15] Speaker B: Very well, thanks. [00:00:16] Speaker C: How are you? [00:00:17] Speaker A: Yeah, how was. [00:00:19] Speaker C: How's the rain? [00:00:21] Speaker A: The rain was good. I had a shoot in the rain. [00:00:22] Speaker B: This morning with mountain biking. [00:00:25] Speaker A: Yes. [00:00:26] Speaker B: How'd you go? [00:00:27] Speaker A: I foolishly looked at the weather report and it said it wasn't going to rain till after lunch. So I decided I was going to shoot for the first time with just the 16 mil 2.8 and 50 mil 1.8 prime lenses because I've decided I think they're possibly the best. Those two lenses together are what people should buy as a kit lens for the Canon RF system. So I was like, I'll take them out and I'll shoot sports with them and see if they can actually handle autofocus speed and stuff like that. But I don't have. They don't come with lens hoods and they're not weather sealed and it rained the whole time, so. [00:01:06] Speaker B: And they're pretty short. Like, they're short lenses, too, aren't they? And they don't have like a deep. They're not deep like the 58 or anything that you could get away with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:01:13] Speaker A: So where are we? Yeah, so there's not a lot of. Not that you can see that, really, but focus. There's not a lot of protection for the element, but, yeah. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Can you get a hood for. [00:01:27] Speaker A: Yeah, you can buy a hood. I'm going to buy one. So. Yeah, and, yeah, yeah. Really good. I can't show. I'll show you guys next week because the bike we were shooting isn't released yet, so I can't show you anything, but, yeah, they went well and I'm pretty happy. I'm very surprised at how fast they auto focus. They're still nothing. Not l lenses, but they did better than I thought. And, yeah, quality of the shots is good. [00:01:55] Speaker B: Getting stuff, you know, there, if you can, stuff in focus and it works. [00:01:59] Speaker A: Yeah. If you're joining us, we are giving away another $200 voucher. I believe Grant was going to write it down already. He's going to write down names. If we bring them up on the screen, you go into the draw to win $200 voucher. We'll give it away sometime during the show. [00:02:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:18] Speaker A: So, yeah, ask questions in the chat, anything about photography or anything about Jim's facial hair, whatever. And, yeah, we'll pop you in the draw. If you missed last week. It was a good time. We had some fun. Lots of questions. We also are. Also had an interview this week too, which. Oh, did you? Yeah, this one. This one here with Lars about real estate photography. So if you're into real estate photography or think about branching your business out to something different, have a listen. Lars gives us all the details, so it was good. [00:02:58] Speaker C: Bit upset he's not driving a Ferrari, though. [00:03:01] Speaker A: No, no, he's not. He's not like a tick tock real estate photographer making fifty k a month. But he's doing very well. His business is successful, so. Yeah. You guys both shot weddings on the weekend? [00:03:16] Speaker B: Did, yeah. [00:03:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:03:19] Speaker B: Not the same wedding, though. [00:03:20] Speaker A: Not the same wedding. Two different weddings. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:03:23] Speaker C: Same wedding would be nice, though. [00:03:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Exactly. How. How did they go, Grant? How was yours? [00:03:30] Speaker C: It was pretty smooth, actually. Don't really do a lot of weddings, but this was a nice, easy one. The clients were nice and chill. Um, yeah, went out to the east Loddon wool shed, and, yeah, it's a pretty cool venue. Got pretty cold at night, but, yeah, I'm pretty happy with some of the shots I took and can actually, I was looking through them before, and as you can definitely tell, I need to improve a bit more, but it's all learning. [00:04:02] Speaker B: So you had a look? [00:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Tell us. [00:04:05] Speaker C: Uh, just figuring out the flash. Um, yeah, on camera. [00:04:13] Speaker B: Off camera? [00:04:13] Speaker A: Yeah, on camera. [00:04:14] Speaker C: Uh, probably on camera. It was pretty dark in some spots in the actual wall sheds. Mm hmm. So, yeah, it just took me a while to play around when I shouldn't been playing around. You've got the bride and groom there and you're there. You're just like, oh, hold on a second. I need to figure out the flash. Yeah. [00:04:37] Speaker B: What flash are you using? [00:04:39] Speaker C: The Godox 860. I think it is. [00:04:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I think you like Justin. I both had them. I don't like it as an on camera Flash. [00:04:52] Speaker A: It's. It's. It's fine. But it's nowhere near as accurate as the Nikon one, I don't think. Yeah, I had that same experience. I still use it because I don't know as much as you do, Jim, but I think if I was, um. If I was shooting weddings every weekend again, I'd definitely have a nick on Flash. Although I'd like to try that v one, see if that's any better. I don't. I don't know if it's any different or not. That's the godox. It's like a round head flash. [00:05:16] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:05:17] Speaker A: Lots of people. Yeah, they seem to really like it. For on camera, so give it a. Give it a try. But, yeah, I agree with Jim. The. The Nikon SB 910 seem to perform better, just more accurate exposure. [00:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty much bang on every time. [00:05:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:35] Speaker B: And obviously, if you're. You've got to be on your settings, like exposure adjustments and stuff like that. Yeah. Compensation and also on Flash and depending how you're using it. Yeah. [00:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:49] Speaker B: I haven't tried a new 1000, so. [00:05:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I haven't. I haven't either. Obviously. Don't shoot Nikon. So hard to try. Did you end up shooting high ISO at that wedding, Grant? [00:06:02] Speaker C: Yes, yes, I did. [00:06:03] Speaker A: Did you try the new lightroom AI denoise when you edited some of the photos? [00:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:11] Speaker C: So a bit of a story with that. It obviously updated lightroom, clicked on a photo denoise, and then it just made my whole photo purple. That was the photo that I sent through. And then I slowly figured out that my graphics card was not updated. So it wasn't really selecting the right things. But once I've done that, I couldn't really tell much difference between some of the photos when I did click the denoise. But I haven't really had much of a play around with it yet because I've only sort of done the daytime photos and then the nighttime photos were just dancing and stuff as well. So I don't know if I'll play around with it too much. [00:06:58] Speaker A: Yep. I had a bit of a play with it today. I'll show you guys in a second. It's interesting, Jim, Yelena says you. You might need some green lights or something just to try and. [00:07:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:10] Speaker A: Set the scene with the rest of us. [00:07:11] Speaker C: What does she mean, like a plant? [00:07:13] Speaker A: Oh, maybe. [00:07:15] Speaker B: Maybe both. It's. It's on the list, Joanna. [00:07:22] Speaker A: So what? Let me. Let me share my screen. Let me show you this. What I did with Lightroom today, because people were asking about the denoise and I thought, I'll have a bit of a play around. Lighting. [00:07:37] Speaker C: Lighting under your picture. [00:07:41] Speaker A: Let me see. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Lightly. Yep. [00:07:47] Speaker A: Let's do share my lightroom. All right. It's gonna be hard to see, obviously, via 1080 YouTube stuff, but this was shot at a live concert, obviously 3200. So not that high ISO, but easy to see the noise, obviously. Noisy, not noisy. Noisy, not noisy. Worked well. It definitely retains a lot more detail than when you just add noise reduction manually with the sliders, for sure. With. After I was playing with it for a bit. Got some glitchy audio there, Jim. [00:08:42] Speaker C: He's frozen. [00:08:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:49] Speaker C: Do you have Internet in Stratfield, Sage. [00:08:52] Speaker A: Yeah, you might have to jump out and jump back in again, Jim. So this is where it can become a bit of a drama, is it really smooths out skin. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:14] Speaker A: So this, this was about 40 to 50, the setting. So it's a slider that goes from like zero to 100. [00:09:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:20] Speaker A: And, yeah, it's a. Like, it looks cartoony, especially on guys. So this is obviously, this was very high. So high Isa. This is 51,200 and, you know, a usable photo. Like, it was just sort of a dance floor with. No, this is a really dark venue. No flash. And I was just grabbing some extra shots and I thought I'd try it out on this. And, yeah, it is. [00:09:46] Speaker C: It's very smooth, isn't it? [00:09:49] Speaker A: Very, very smooth. Very fake. So I definitely would not use that. Yeah, I think here, that's it backed off a little bit to, I think ten. Backed it off to ten or 15 just to see and, yeah, it's not that much better than the standard noise reduction for that kind of thing. Yeah, it's sort of like certain applications, but I think people are going to have to be really careful with it for working with people and particularly guys at weddings and stuff like that. For high ISO, it's not magic. Another example, master glitchy. Yeah. What's that? No, no. [00:10:39] Speaker B: You agree? I'm good now. [00:10:42] Speaker A: So as you can see, Jim looks. [00:10:45] Speaker C: Good in the other photo. [00:10:46] Speaker A: That was. That was at about 50. And it almost gives it this kind of weird cartoon. [00:10:54] Speaker C: Like he looks AI. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Yeah, AI, exactly. And it's AI noise reduction and it looks like it AI rendered. It's really interesting, but it sort of like, makes it almost fake. Yeah. So, people, all I can say is be careful and don't over process your photos of people because there's no way. [00:11:16] Speaker B: He'S that good looking. [00:11:18] Speaker A: No way. [00:11:20] Speaker B: Looks way too smooth, that skin. [00:11:22] Speaker A: But some of the fun stuff that I discovered is, um, so basically, once you, once you remove the noise. [00:11:38] Speaker B: You. [00:11:38] Speaker A: Can then crank up the clarity. So this one is regular noise reduction. This one is noise reduced. And then if we go into, if I get rid of this compare thing and we go into this one. [00:12:01] Speaker B: How's that data on the rock and stuff? [00:12:03] Speaker A: I know. So it retains all the detail and that allows you to actually crank the clarity to 100, which normally, if you crank the clarity to 100, it's going to look like a crazy mess. But look, that there's no noise, but there's crazy detail now. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. [00:12:23] Speaker A: It looks a little bit fake in the face. Not too bad, though. And particularly for, like, a marketing shot, it makes it pop. Especially if it was like a thumbnail or something like that. Is that gonna work? Yeah, like, it. It's kind of cool. So I was playing around with that. [00:12:42] Speaker B: It's especially a 15 mil shot. [00:12:47] Speaker A: It's. Yeah, it's interesting. It's. It's really interesting. So this one is the raw. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Just natural light, or is that flash. [00:12:57] Speaker A: Natural light. So that's the raw. A little bit noisy. That's it with the noise reduction. And then again, come on computer. If you wanted to, you could crank the clarity on either the whole image or just the writer or something. And it retains a lot of the clean sections. You know, it doesn't. You know how it. Normally, you just get noise everywhere. When you crank the clarity up too much, it's strange. It's different. I think it's gonna open up some doors. [00:13:40] Speaker B: Check it out. [00:13:41] Speaker A: So, yeah. Yeah, I was playing around with it, with stuff like this. Um, you know, you can do. Do this kind of thing and really kind of over, over produce it to something that I wouldn't normally like. Um, but it stays clean. So that's clarity. That's clarity at 100. [00:14:02] Speaker B: Looks insane, you know? Yeah. [00:14:07] Speaker A: And it's just. It's because it's. It's been noise reduced. Anyway, fun fact, I had a bit of. Bit of fun today, playing around with some of the. Some shots that. Yeah, I hadn't re edited for a while or whatever. Like, this one I was just able to get. Because this was shot at 6400, like, right before it was already getting dark. And then. Yeah. Can get a heap more detail out of, like, the rocks and stuff. Without introducing noise. By denoising at first and then cranking the clarity back up. [00:14:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Tad shot. [00:14:49] Speaker A: Hmm. Anyway, also, you can now mask facial hair, so that's fun. I had a little bit of fun playing with. Playing with your facial hair too, Jim. Yeah. Just like auto selects, same as it does eyes and lips and everything. Naked and auto select facial hair, I. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Guess, and then thickens up. [00:15:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Add a little bit of texture. [00:15:16] Speaker C: It's just getting too much. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Any funny, funny stories? I know Jim would have it on. [00:15:29] Speaker C: The weekend or just in general? [00:15:32] Speaker A: Hey, you got any from the weekend? [00:15:35] Speaker C: That was. [00:15:36] Speaker A: No, that's boring. [00:15:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:42] Speaker B: I had a good wedding. It was just fun. [00:15:45] Speaker C: What about any time, Jim, you've always done a lot of weddings. [00:15:50] Speaker A: You've done a lot of weddings. [00:15:51] Speaker B: I've done a lot of weddings. I don't know, like, funny. [00:15:55] Speaker C: Worst. Best. [00:16:01] Speaker B: Give us something. I think eagle Rock. You guys know Eagle rock, the song? Yeah. [00:16:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:07] Speaker B: You know the true. Do you know the tradition jockey Dax? Yeah, that gets. That gets pretty fun. [00:16:14] Speaker C: You like seeing willys? [00:16:16] Speaker B: No, there's never any jobs. [00:16:19] Speaker C: Hey, you have been to one with his? Been there. [00:16:24] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, we. [00:16:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:25] Speaker A: Sorry, we have photographs. Wedding with an eagle rock. [00:16:29] Speaker C: But, yeah. [00:16:30] Speaker A: Full frontal. [00:16:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Actually, I did a wedding. Um. People got their buns out. It was fun. [00:16:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Pretty common. Yeah, very common. Oh, did you see, obviously, it's been a lot of discussion in our chat about the z eight. Did you see the size comparison? [00:16:53] Speaker B: No, I haven't seen it. [00:16:55] Speaker A: Ah, well, allow me to present it to you. So it is basically. Yeah. Just the z nine without the grip part, by the look of it. So that is z nine. Z eight. That's z eight next to z seven. [00:17:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:28] Speaker A: That's how much bigger it is. I like that. You think it's like. It's almost the same size as the. [00:17:34] Speaker B: 850, but I've got big hands. That's gonna be perfect for me. [00:17:40] Speaker A: Mmm. [00:17:41] Speaker C: It's nearly the same size, isn't it? [00:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm keen. [00:17:45] Speaker A: Although. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it is. It's basically exactly the same size. So look at it compared to a sony. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm excited. [00:17:59] Speaker C: How long is that away? [00:18:01] Speaker A: Two weeks away for the release. And then who knows when it'll start rolling through. So, yeah, the. I don't know. I think the. It's gonna be an awesome camera. It's gonna be very similar to the nine. They'll just. They'll just take a few things away, probably slow it down just a little bit. But the. It'll be expensive, for sure, which we're talking about. [00:18:27] Speaker B: Do you think it's gonna get the big. The big sensor or do you think it's gonna be that still, that 45? [00:18:33] Speaker A: I think it'd be the same sensor as a z nine. [00:18:36] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't think that they'll put the big. I mean, bigger. Yeah. With that camera. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Higher ISO than the nine. No, no, no. [00:18:44] Speaker B: I mean megapixels. There's talk of, like, megapixels one. [00:18:52] Speaker A: I mean, maybe. I mean, the eight series has always been higher than the. But I just. I feel like there's too big of a gap there for people that want these features, but not in a pro size body, so to make it higher resolution. Although. Yeah. If they want to compete with the a seven, r five, then they could. [00:19:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Is anyone. Is the majority of people chasing 60? You know, 60 plus megapixels? [00:19:24] Speaker A: No, I think it's. It's mostly people looking for that. Yeah. 40 something in a. In an effective professional package with. Yeah. [00:19:34] Speaker B: A good frame rate like. [00:19:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see. So you think that's. That's you, your next camera set a. You're not even considering other brands. That's it. You're locked into Nikon for the rest of your life. [00:19:51] Speaker B: Not locked in. I can definitely be swayed. I really want to get my hands on some Z gear. Z nine would be nice. [00:20:05] Speaker A: It'll be your. Yeah, that'll be your handle for the rest of your life. [00:20:14] Speaker B: But it would be fun if we all shot different gear. You'd be born real shot if we all had our fives. [00:20:20] Speaker A: That's true. Even if they are the better. Even if they are the better camera. [00:20:23] Speaker C: It'S still have fun. [00:20:25] Speaker B: We'll have to see once I get my Z eight. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I mean, everyone loves the nine. The Z nine. So if the Z eight is just a dumbed down version of that, it'll be. It'll be awesome. [00:20:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I saw some for sale, some z nine zhdemen that were so cheap and. Well, maybe that could be a potential. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:50] Speaker B: If people are getting second hand. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, they're going to be close to the dollars. Just six. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Australia 6600. [00:21:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Because that's probably what the z eight is going to be like. Five to 6000, maybe even higher. I mean, that's what the r five was when it come out. It was. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:11] Speaker A: Seven when it come out. [00:21:14] Speaker B: We. Do you remember how much our dear fifties were? Actually? [00:21:18] Speaker A: No, there a lot. Yeah. [00:21:21] Speaker B: I don't remember how much they were then, actually, cuz. Yeah. Of all the stuff. [00:21:24] Speaker A: Mmm. Yeah, exactly. She's the. The chat is quiet tonight. [00:21:30] Speaker B: Very quiet chat. [00:21:31] Speaker A: 2020 minutes in and no questions. Not questions. Not a lot going on. [00:21:40] Speaker B: Jeremy doesn't want to be in the giveaway. [00:21:43] Speaker A: No. But he'd like to try the 16 mil, so. [00:21:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't think Elena wants to be in the giveaway, though. [00:21:50] Speaker A: Probably she's not allowed to win. [00:21:52] Speaker B: I feel like she's far. [00:21:55] Speaker A: Yeah, she's got a good collection. That was the other thing that I was. So I've been doing like a deep dive on, on camera reviews at the moment. [00:22:08] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:22:08] Speaker A: And that's why I said is I want to know who you, your favorite camera reviewers are on the YouTube. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:14] Speaker A: And yeah, I've been, I've been watching a heap too many, probably. Hang on, I'll finish this in a second. Mick Warren says, I'm amazed that everybody wants more megapixels. I don't know if everyone does. Obviously, there's always that race, but, yeah, I'm sort of. I'm really happy with that. I mean, I'm happy with the three reals at 2024, but it's. In terms of high resolution, I'm pretty happy with that 45 range. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I think anywhere in 25 to 40 is. Or 25 to 45. Like, it's enough if the body's keeping up with everything else. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess the only thing would be if. If you're doing landscape, like, a GFX 100 would be. Would be pretty nice. You know, if you're taking a shot every, like, one or two photos every half an hour, who cares how big the files are? [00:23:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And there's a purpose for those cameras. I think that that's. Yeah, I don't. I think for the everyday person, though, that's not really needed. [00:23:24] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, I. That's why I think the z eight won't be any higher megapixel than the z nine. I think it'll be. Yeah, they'll stick with that. And maybe. Maybe later on, they might bring in a high resolution body to separate from those two, but, yeah, I can't imagine people wanting it. Hey, Kenneth. [00:23:41] Speaker B: Hey. Hey, Kenneth. And hello, everyone else. [00:23:43] Speaker A: For that, you get an entry into the competition, but if you ask a question, you'll get another one. [00:23:49] Speaker C: Are we doing doubles? [00:23:51] Speaker B: Double entries. [00:23:52] Speaker A: Every time. Every time they go. [00:23:55] Speaker C: Every time they're on the screen. [00:23:56] Speaker A: All right. Yeah, yeah. Get that pen ready. So, yeah, so I was going through. I was going through who I like to watch reviews of, and I think there was something like we all. We all probably were. I watched Peter McKinnon. Grant watches Peter McKinnon. [00:24:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:13] Speaker A: Sounds like Jim probably does, too, but he doesn't do. He doesn't do a lot of reviewing anymore. He's sort of like, he's too big. Yeah. And he only shoots cannon, so it's like. Yeah, it's more of a feature on that camera and makes a cool video about it, maybe talks about what he likes, what he doesn't like, and then that's kind of it, I think, in terms of. In terms of specs, Gordon from camera Labs is my favorite, I think. Do you guys watch him? [00:24:47] Speaker C: No. [00:24:47] Speaker B: No. [00:24:48] Speaker A: Really? You don't? [00:24:50] Speaker B: I don't really watch a lot of camera. Yeah, camera reviews. [00:24:55] Speaker A: Ah, you will. Once that z eight comes out, you'll watch every single one of them. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Yeah. See not really interested in anything. [00:25:03] Speaker A: So don't tell me you don't watch a lot. It's more like you don't watch them when you're not buying. [00:25:08] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. [00:25:09] Speaker A: I. You've told me once that one of your go to reviews is. [00:25:15] Speaker B: Well, you. I just. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Ah, well, no. Well, yeah, but there's. There's someone who's been around for years that's one of your favorite reviewers. [00:25:26] Speaker B: Who is it? [00:25:29] Speaker A: I remember you telling me a while that it was, um. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Ken. [00:25:33] Speaker A: Ken. [00:25:34] Speaker B: Ken Rockwell. [00:25:38] Speaker A: He is. That website has been around for so long. [00:25:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I was. I was reading Ken Rockwell reviews on the lead up to purchasing. Purchasing a D 700 while I was at uni. [00:25:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a big deal. I spent a lot of money on D 700, I thought. [00:25:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. Yeah. [00:25:56] Speaker A: Yeah. He's, um. He's. And he's still going. He's doing video reviews now. [00:26:01] Speaker C: Is he stepping up on there? [00:26:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:04] Speaker B: I'll have to have a look. [00:26:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Um, Jeremy loves some Jared Poland Fronos photos there. Oh, there actually is someone at your house. That's funny. [00:26:21] Speaker C: Jim's got a meeting. He forgot. [00:26:23] Speaker A: No. [00:26:23] Speaker B: I don't know. A meeting. That was something like a mask, though. That's funny. I wonder if Elena text, because I definitely saw. [00:26:33] Speaker A: That's hilarious. [00:26:34] Speaker B: I think I saw all that and Gemma's car go faster. [00:26:36] Speaker A: Ah. She's teed up a stalker in your window. [00:26:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it's perfect. That's real scary. Maybe I might just shut the blinds next time. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Mick says not wanting more megapixels is coming from astrophotography as his main interest, which. Yeah, that makes total sense. Like, more megapixels means more noise. Not that you can't use high megapixel cameras for Astro, but, yeah, those sort of like the r six mark two three. All that stuff's perfect. Yeah, definitely. Scott. Jan Wagoner does some great gear reviews. I actually watch his. Watched his r three review and bought his. Bought the r three, and then he put out a video saying that he no longer shoots the r three. And I was like, unsubscribe? Yeah, unsubscribe. No, he's a. He's, like, more of a bird and wildlife photographer. So I think for him, the. The extra megapixels of the five reals were more important than, like, the fast three reals side of things, because I still with canon. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He just. He just went back to the r five for the high megapixel, like the crop factor, because he shoots, like, tiny little birds flying around all over the place and he could crop in tighter and recompose and things like that, so. But yeah, he's, he's good. Very thorough. He, I think he's in like Queensland or something. [00:28:02] Speaker B: Cool. [00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, Gordon, I like Gordon. Gordon Lang from camera labs. You guys should check him out. He does very detailed, like kind of like Ken Rockwell style where it's like every spec, you know, demonstrated kind of thing. Yeah, but yeah, good reviews. Highly enjoying canon stuff. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Or is he review, but everything. [00:28:31] Speaker A: He reviews basically every, everything that comes out if you can. And then who was the other one I was thinking of? Have you got. Did you guys ever used to watch digital rev tv? A while ago. [00:28:45] Speaker B: It rings a bell, but I don't know. [00:28:47] Speaker A: Yeah, and then there's, there was these two guys, the one main guy, Kai, I think it's Kai Wong. I'm not sure, but he's got his own channel now, if. Never heard of it. [00:29:00] Speaker C: No, sorry, I'm too distracted by Jim's windows. I'm waiting for a mask to come up. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, Kai, he's, he's gold. It's. If you don't want to watch a boring review, is this comedy gold? And they just do stupid stuff and it's hilarious. But yeah, definitely another recommended YouTube channel for the camera views. [00:29:32] Speaker C: I must admit I'm a, I'm a frok. [00:29:35] Speaker A: No, you're a fro Fansen. I'm not a fan. [00:29:39] Speaker C: I just watch the videos because he goes through a lot of cameras. [00:29:43] Speaker A: He does, he does review a lot of cameras and I have to. As much as he's um, you know, he's always slinging presets pretty hard. [00:29:52] Speaker C: Oh, every, every video. [00:29:54] Speaker A: Every video. Slinging those presets pretty hard. He, he does actually shoot in some real world situations. You know, like he shot at some proper sporting events and things like that. So I'll give him that. Yeah. [00:30:10] Speaker C: Yeah, but all the other ones like, you know, Chris Howe, Peter McKinnon, they just, you know, get stuff sent to them and then they're just like, yep. Sell this for us. [00:30:22] Speaker A: Pretty much, yeah, they're more vlog style and still like super entertaining. They know their stuff. They make great videos and things, but, oh, you know, so you guys will know because I send you his videos all the time. Trying to get Jim to change his business. Taylor Jackson, as far as like real world reviews and comedy gold mixed in together. Yeah, he's pretty good. He just released a book about shooting 1000 weddings. He shot a thousand weddings, obviously. [00:30:52] Speaker B: Might know a thing or two? [00:30:53] Speaker A: I think so. I think so. And he's also shot like, snowboarding and stuff like that. And he goes on like, travel and I. All sorts of things. So he's done a lot. He does a lot of hybrid coverage, video, photo, and he's shot with Nick on Cannon and Sony and Fuji. So he's, he's like, opinion. He doesn't do heap of spec sort of stuff. Again, that's like, yeah, that's. That's what the other guys are good at. But, yeah, if he'll just sort of be like, yep, I like this. I don't like this. Feels good. Yeah, I like his stuff. Doesn't even do photography. But she does enjoy Peter McKinnon's vlogs. You and the other 5.76 million people. [00:31:37] Speaker B: Yeah, he's quite entertaining. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:39] Speaker B: I've not watched one since we had the office together. [00:31:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You're too busy working. [00:31:44] Speaker B: Yeah, we missed this one, Justin. [00:31:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Pentax just released a monochrome camera, the k three mono. We did talk about this last week. Any thoughts on how you think it might be received? An economical choice compared to, like, hard thing is, is unless you're bought into the Pentax system, it's not an option. So it's like, oh, I mean, unless you're gonna buy some lenses and stuff. It would be cool if more camera brands did it because then. Because how are any of us going to find out what the benefits are to these dedicated monochrome cameras without shooting one and seeing, like, if Canon brought out like, an r five monochrome, I would want to get my hands on it. Shoot it, shoot my five reals, turn them into black and whites and be like, all right, what's the difference? Is it actually worth owning this camera specifically for that? So it's. It's interesting. It's very cool that they did it, but I don't know how many they'll sell because it's kind of, you know, buying into an older system like the Pentax system. It's a niche just to get that one camera. If it was. If Sony released, you know, like, they had that x one, what was it? Rxr one crazy thing that was like 45. It was like the a seven r three sensor in a point and shoot body with a 35 mil 1.8 lens on it or whatever. Fixed lens. Let me hang. I'll find it, I'll find it. But if they release one of those in a monochrome, that would be more likely to sell because it's like all in one. You're just buying this one camera to do this one thing. Whereas with the Pentax, you've got to buy lenses and stuff as well. Yeah. [00:33:35] Speaker C: Also with Leica, just released that new camera. But, you know, as Froknow says, it doesn't even come up with the Leica brand on it. So how is anyone meant to know that you shoot like. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Which is obviously the most important thing. Yeah, these. There was. There was two series of them. You didn't see these when they come out. So it's like that. It's like a point and shoot fixed lens, kind of like the Fuji X 100, but the lens is bigger. And the sensor was a lot. Yeah, a lot bigger. But had a pop up viewfinder. Where'd that go? How cool is that? But, yeah, if they released a monochrome version of that, that would probably. Probably sell. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:20] Speaker C: You wouldn't want to heavily invest into something like that. [00:34:24] Speaker A: I don't think so. [00:34:25] Speaker C: It's more of a novelty, I think. [00:34:27] Speaker A: I mean, unless you love. If you love black and white photography, if there are benefits. And they say that there's benefits, but I've never seen them. You know, it's really hard to. Because every photo is different. I've seen tons of black and white photos taken on color cameras that look amazing. So. [00:34:45] Speaker B: You could. You could definitely. You could make a business on only shooting black and white, though, if you branded like that. Yeah. Like, how many wedding photographers only post their black and whites? [00:34:56] Speaker A: Yeah, but if you were gonna only shoot black and white, you'd definitely buy that. Like a m eleven monochrome for 15 grand. Kenneth says when he needs inspiration, he watches Kim Grant. I don't know who Kim Grant is. [00:35:08] Speaker B: So again, I know the name, but I don't. [00:35:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I've heard that name before. [00:35:13] Speaker A: Kim Grant, former football player. I better do photography. [00:35:18] Speaker B: Maybe a different person. [00:35:22] Speaker A: Kim, she is a. If it's the right one. Visualizing Scotland, really connecting to nature through the art of photography. I have to check her out. Very cool. Maybe one. Come on the podcast. [00:35:36] Speaker C: Thomas Heaton is pretty cool as well. [00:35:37] Speaker B: He's. [00:35:38] Speaker A: Yes, yes. I was checking his stuff out today, actually. Can this. Can shoots pentax. I have a k. Three. K five, z one. Spotty. I don't know what a spotty is, but not buying a mono just yet. Is it on your. Is it on your radar, the monochrome? Like, did it. Did it excite you? Because it's part of your system and you. And that would be. You could slot it straight in and it would be something different? Or is it you're not into it? [00:36:03] Speaker B: Is that how that, like. Is that how they're selling it? That, you know, if you're in the system, you're sort of loving it, that it's kind of the novelty? [00:36:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:14] Speaker B: You know, like the D. You remember, like the Nikon DF. The DF. That vintage camera that they bought out. Yeah, yeah. [00:36:24] Speaker A: Which was more the style than anything. Like the. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just a cool looking camera. You could buy, like the cool looking 50 mil lens. Um, that was. Looked old, but obviously was new tech. Yeah, it had dials and stuff like that. [00:36:39] Speaker A: Afternoon, Paul. [00:36:40] Speaker B: Hey, Paul. [00:36:41] Speaker A: Good to see. [00:36:41] Speaker B: Welcome. Yeah. [00:36:42] Speaker A: Um. Yes. Scottish. I'll definitely check Kim grant out. We'll get onto it. [00:36:49] Speaker C: Kenneth was saying before he shoots Astro, so how would he go shooting black and white? [00:36:54] Speaker A: Black and white Astro? Haven't seen a lot of it. [00:36:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:57] Speaker A: Ask Richard when he comes on if it's something that he's done. I haven't seen him post much black and white stuff. [00:37:03] Speaker B: I think it's confusing Kenneth and Mick. [00:37:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, true. Four times the res with monochrome. That's what I've heard. And I just don't understand. Like, I know it's sharper because you don't have to separate into colors, but I don't. I'd need to see one. Like, I need to see them shot side by side so I can see the difference. That'd be cool. [00:37:35] Speaker B: But. [00:37:35] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know, maybe someone will do a. Well, I mean, someone could do it with that m eleven. That'll definitely happen when the. When the m eleven monochrome gets in the hands of a few people and they test it just next to the standard m eleven. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Massive difference in price, though. [00:37:54] Speaker A: Between which. [00:37:56] Speaker B: Like the Pentax and the Leica. [00:37:59] Speaker A: Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean side by side. Between the m eleven Leica, the color normal one, and the m eleven. Like a side by side comparison of just what's. What are the benefits? I mean, there was an m ten in them. There's probably someone that. Yeah. Paul Henderson, I like. Is it Dwight Burr? Yep. [00:38:21] Speaker B: I reckon you're up. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Also, love watching photography online. Was great. Hope they come back. Hmm. We'll have to do some googling. [00:38:30] Speaker B: It's opened up our eyes. [00:38:31] Speaker A: This is fun. Find more stuff to watch on YouTube instead of working. That's the sales pitch with mono astro specific cameras. Hmm. [00:38:45] Speaker B: Makes sense. [00:38:46] Speaker A: Interesting, but. Yeah. Is it a sales pitch? Does it really get you any more joy? Is it any more fun? Yeah. When I think of a monochrome camera. I think travel makes you feel more creative. Sort of locks you into that frame of mind, like shooting film. That's what I would want it for. And for me, that's like, that's got to be something that's not $10,000, you know? [00:39:17] Speaker B: Yeah. It's going to be more accessible. [00:39:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's kind of. That's what the Fujifilm X 100 was when I bought that, I sort of wanted it for that kind of thing. And what's sad is if you. If they brought out a monochrome version of the Fujifilm X 100, it would probably excite me. Even though you can just put it in black and white mode. [00:39:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:38] Speaker A: Like, yeah, I could just put it in black and white. It's like. [00:39:42] Speaker B: I feel like that would make, I guess. Yeah. Makes you just as happy. But having it would be kind of the end. Yeah. Being able to only shoot monochrome. [00:39:53] Speaker A: This is interesting. This is from Znep. One zip one. They did a focus group in Japan about what the Pentax shooters there wanted, and about a quarter of them wanted a monochrome camera. Nice. Yes. First batches sold out in one week. [00:40:11] Speaker B: That's huge. [00:40:12] Speaker A: Awesome. Yeah, that's cool. Which means we will be seeing some reviews coming out. That's awesome. It'll be cool to see what people create with them. Kenneth, I would like the new Pentax mono, but we'll set it for color to black and white for conversion for now and black and white film in a few years. I'll check out the Pentax mono. Second hand price. Yeah. Good plan. Good plan. Yeah. No need to jump on it straight away. [00:40:38] Speaker B: Nah. Grab a second hand and then you'll be able to just keep it. [00:40:44] Speaker A: Yep. Exactly. [00:40:47] Speaker B: It's a paper, Grant. [00:40:48] Speaker C: I am. [00:40:50] Speaker A: Show us. What are you putting him in? How's this? The competition. The competition is running. You're all ending up in the hat. I in. Grant, if you. If you want a chance to win, just be nice to Grant. Talk to him in the comments. [00:41:03] Speaker C: This is my bit of paper right now. [00:41:05] Speaker A: You're doing well. It's a sophisticated operation that we run here. [00:41:09] Speaker B: Yeah. A big budget podcast. [00:41:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:13] Speaker C: Speaking about that, we do have a Facebook group. [00:41:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, we do have a Facebook group. [00:41:17] Speaker B: I think. I think Grant dropped that in the comments earlier. So jump in there, say g'day. [00:41:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know what the plan is with it. Just last week, some people said we should do it, so we did basically what it. Whatever you guys tell us to do. We do. So. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:41:34] Speaker C: Bit of constructive criticism, or if you got questions about business, maybe upcoming photo walks, stuff like that. [00:41:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, like, maybe what he. [00:41:46] Speaker B: Wants to talk about, too. [00:41:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:50] Speaker A: I would like to one day do. If we get enough people involved, it would be nice to do a. Like a photo, kind of like a critique show. You know, like, just put everyone's photos up, like a little bit of critiquing, just checking it out. Maybe they can jump in the comments about what they were trying to do with the photo or where they took it. That kind of thing, I think. Be fun. [00:42:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:13] Speaker A: Um, AJ Cooper. For anyone getting into photography with all the options, with brands and sensor sizes, where would you start? Man, it is tough. [00:42:28] Speaker B: So, number one thing is budget, I think that's. [00:42:32] Speaker A: And where you think it might go, I think, is budget what you want to shoot? Do you? [00:42:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And use. [00:42:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you think maybe you'll head towards sort of photographing people, photographing landscapes, astrophotography, like you don't. Most of the cameras can do all of that, but there might be benefits. Pros and cons. We talked a lot last week about the weight. You know, there's some systems that are heavier and some that are lighter. And if that's important to you, if you're going to be doing a lot of traveling, a lot of hiking, might be better to just start off with a lighter system. [00:43:07] Speaker C: Um, yeah, my shoulders are still sore from the weekend. [00:43:11] Speaker A: Did you carry the. The old school 70 to 200 around? [00:43:14] Speaker C: I did. I did. [00:43:15] Speaker A: And you didn't. You didn't die, though. You're okay. [00:43:19] Speaker C: Ready for this weekend? [00:43:20] Speaker A: Told you you didn't need to buy those primes. [00:43:23] Speaker B: So what. What grant is saying is he needs a dual lucky camera strap. Justin. [00:43:28] Speaker A: He's got a money back. [00:43:30] Speaker B: Oh, he's got a moneymaker. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Yeah. They're not as comfortable as our prototype. [00:43:34] Speaker B: Definitely nothing. Not as counter. The dual lucky strap. [00:43:37] Speaker C: I haven't even seen the lucky strap one. [00:43:40] Speaker B: Well, it's a secret. Yeah. There's only two in existence. [00:43:46] Speaker A: I'm trying to think of how we can answer this question. Well, where would I start? Camera stores are useful if you're nearby a good camera store. There's people in there that will know the differences in specs and that kind of thing be able to help you. But putting your hands on the cameras might also help you get an idea of what feels comfortable to you. But if you're fairly new to it, it's also going to be tough to know what feels good and what doesn't until you start learning what all the controls do. Look, in my opinion, you can't go wrong if you're going for more expensive stuff. So a full frame camera that could potentially produce sort of professional results can't go wrong with Canon or Sony can go wrong with Nikon. I'm on the fence about Nikon. I don't know if I would recommend people choosing Nikon as a new system right now. If you're a Nikon shooter, I don't think you should jump systems necessarily. But I don't know if you could pick anything, why you would pick it over Canon or Sony, I don't see any advantages. [00:44:59] Speaker B: But if someone's getting into it, should they jump on like a digital SLR or do. You can go straight to mirrorless and. [00:45:05] Speaker A: Just straight, straight to mirrorless for sure. And. Yeah, so the choice would be for budget. You'd be like, all right, you're looking at maybe crop, crop cannon stuff. The cheaper new, like the R ten or whatever it is. [00:45:18] Speaker C: R eight looks cool. [00:45:19] Speaker A: Eight reals is a cheap camera for what it is. But that still might be TOo much depending on where you're starting. Fuji have a lot of really nice, more budget cameras. And then you can. The lenses are all the same across their system. That's the cool thing about Fuji. It's like they've got entry level crop sensor cameras, but then the lenses that you buy, which still work with, you know, the XH two s and the top of the range crop stuff from Fuji. So Fuji would be a really good choice, I think, for getting into photography, which is why it's been so popular. But you might find one day wanting to make the jump to full frame. I don't know. I hope that helps in SOme Way. Yeah. [00:46:01] Speaker B: It's such a big question, I think. Yeah. Keeping focus on budget and end use. [00:46:08] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mick Warren. Oh, this is about also the monochrome. [00:46:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:19] Speaker A: Get filters to collect your different channels and edit all the different colors into one image. They say the pixels register light, but with color, it is one in four. Yeah. So that's obviously. Yeah. [00:46:30] Speaker B: Hmm. [00:46:33] Speaker A: Yeah. That's how it was explained to me. But I still need to see a photo that shows me the benefit of monochrome cameras. Paul Henderson. I've got a 16 millimeter, 35 millimeter, and 50 millimeter basic primes. Would you suggest an 85 or 135 lens for portraits and events? Go, Jim. [00:46:54] Speaker B: So, yeah, so I've, I've shot with all of them. I hadn't. I had an 85 3585 early in my prime lens, when I was crossing over, then I went to a 135 and actually stepped back to a 105. And for me, that's the perfect length I was found for. Personally, the 135, I was always a step or two too close to what my subjects, whereas a 105 seems about right. I would. Is there one in between is what it might be. My question, uh, if not, I'd probably go that slightly longer at 135. Yeah, because you kind of got the 50. The 50 is very close to 85. Um, so, yeah, I'd probably say go the 135 for now. [00:47:48] Speaker A: Yeah, mine's gonna be. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Yeah, but the Sigma 135. So beautiful. [00:47:56] Speaker A: Yeah, it depends on. I can't remember if you've mentioned, Paul, what system you're on because it probably depends what system you're on, what camera with what resolution sensor. A little bit. Because if you can crop, you know, if you're shooting with a high megapixel camera and you can crop a bit, like, if you're shooting with a D 850, an 85 does give you a bit of reach. You can crop that in. So that might be an option enough. [00:48:23] Speaker B: You should do the day at 50, you'd say shoot with a 105 1.4. [00:48:27] Speaker A: Exactly. Well, if you can afford it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:48:30] Speaker B: Cheap. Now, 2nd, 2nd hand, they're like just under two grand. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Killer lens, beautiful lens. But yeah, if. I don't know, because the other option is, you know, do you get. Are you gonna stick with primes for portraits and events at all? Primes? You know, depending what system you're on, you could get a zoom to cover more of that. But yeah, for portraits, obviously, 85 is industry standard, shows 135. [00:49:00] Speaker B: You can't go wrong with either, really. No, you're gonna, you're gonna be walking, I guess, just as much with either. I'd probably. If you were with the current lens of three lenses you have, I'd probably say go the 135 though. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Just for that, a little bit more reach. And the 50 is very close to 85. [00:49:17] Speaker A: That's right. And the. The 135 will look a little bit more special with compression, stuff like that. Like you lay down on the ground and get that. A long shot or something like that. [00:49:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:28] Speaker A: Canon with a Canon R six. So you don't have the megapixels really to like crop right in. Yeah, I think 135. Would you be getting the RF 135? That's insane. That's just getting released. Or would you be getting the older 135 f two, which is still an awesome lens. Ft is still good and I think a lot lighter. That's probably what I'd recommend. Also, are you shooting with the. Just, you know, hijacking this whole thing just so I can talk about it? The issue with the 16 mil 2.8 and the 50 mil 1.8, like the. When you say the basic primes, like the RF primes, tell us, because that's what I was shooting with today and that was super fun. [00:50:11] Speaker B: I think like the 1.8 primes in a lot of systems do a great job. [00:50:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:17] Speaker B: You know, they're definitely not. That was 1.41.2s, but they're still sharp. Like you think if you're starting out there or even not starting out, it's still good. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Sony released a 1.4 g master 50 mil to go in between their 1.8 and their 1.2. And I kind of hope canon do something like that because like the 50 mil 1.8 is good and I can shoot with it. I'm happy with it. The 50 mil 1.2 is, was amazing and I keep wanting to buy it, but it's so, so heavy and so expensive. Yeah, I think it's three and a half, $1,000. [00:50:58] Speaker B: There's a big difference. There's a big difference in size though, isn't it? [00:51:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it's um, not as big, not, not that big, but um. Yeah, that old Nikon tank. Um, but yeah, it's, it's big. So it's like, give me a 1.4 that focuses fast, that's got weather ceiling, that costs 1500 or $2,000. Yeah. So you're shooting. Yeah, they. That's an awesome setup of lenses. So now because you're on the RF system, if you, if you are thinking about going insane, the 70 to 202.8 is an amazing portrait lens. If you could, if you could afford it. And it's so light and it's flexible. Really, really flexible for events. It would be a good complement to your primes. But if you're going to build a kit of primes, I don't know, I haven't, I haven't looked too deeply into the 85. I think it's an 85 f two, the basic prime in the range. But I haven't heard great things about, about that. And then, yeah, the 85 1.2s are giant, expensive lenses, but they're pretty amazing. So yeah, I don't know, I think that, yeah, the 135, the EF 135 maybe could be a good option depending on what your budget is or 7200 f 2.8. He's pretty awesome. Shoot with it. All the time. [00:52:26] Speaker B: It's a good lens. I've used it, I like it. [00:52:29] Speaker A: Yeah, but you're sticking with Nikon? [00:52:32] Speaker B: Maybe. [00:52:33] Speaker C: Say maybe you're definite before I'm open. [00:52:38] Speaker B: I'm open. Yeah, it's, it's gonna be canon on Nikon there'll be no. [00:52:44] Speaker A: No Sony. [00:52:45] Speaker C: No Sony. [00:52:46] Speaker B: No. I don't think, I think my. I just don't think. Well, I need to pick one up. I don't think I would like to feel. [00:52:54] Speaker A: But you haven't, you haven't held one. [00:52:55] Speaker C: In your hands and you already go in with that crappy attitude. [00:53:02] Speaker A: They've got two dials on the back now too. I really want to try one. I want to try, I definitely want to try a Sony. But when I do dig into the specs as a hybrid camera, it sounds funny to say this because Sony like, was the best hybrid, you know, mirrorless camera you could buy. The cannons do have better, a better balance of photo and video specs if you want to do both. Sony have some strange cropping in some of the modes in their videos. Canon, Canon doesn't crop in any video modes. So unless I'm off to check out, I can't afford to get an a one though. Maybe, um. Yeah, the a seven iv or the a seven r five I've been looking at and I'm like, oh, I could just, just test one. [00:53:52] Speaker B: That was probably the most frustrating thing, trying to shoot video with a dead 50, that if you'd shoot slow mo it would, um. Yeah, it would just crop. So you suddenly couldn't shoot wide, so you got it. [00:54:05] Speaker A: And that's the thing with the Sony's, you've got to be thinking about it all the whole time, like what, what mode you're going to be in. So for hybrid it's really sort of confusing. Whereas, yeah, on the three reals I don't think about that at all. I only use crop mode in video when I want extra reach if I'm shooting with a certain lens. So yeah, the. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Kenneth, what is happening with film production around the world? As soon as stocks in, it sells out, straight away I look at Walken's out of stock. Out of stock for many films, 35 for 120. Honestly, I don't know. And it seems, seems to be getting worse and worse. Um. [00:54:46] Speaker C: It's back in, is it? [00:54:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's pretty cool with like hipsters and stuff. [00:54:51] Speaker A: No, no, you mean back in style or back in stock style. Style. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, I know that. [00:54:56] Speaker B: That's cool. Yeah. [00:54:59] Speaker A: Yeah. But it has been. I think there's more and more manufacturers, like, more and more issues with getting it made. Combined with the increased demand. I don't know, it seems strange. You'd think it wouldn't be hard to scale up manufacturing if the demands there, but maybe they're trying to sort of control supply and demand so it's not. You know, so they don't sell out and then next month, no one wants to buy any or whatever. Yeah. Honestly, I don't know. [00:55:30] Speaker C: It's just the latest trend even. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Well, it has been popular for a while. [00:55:35] Speaker C: Like three or four people. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:37] Speaker C: A few people I follow. You know, they're like, always got a film camera on their side. [00:55:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:43] Speaker C: And they'll have, like, dual accounts. [00:55:46] Speaker A: One for film. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Yep. [00:55:48] Speaker A: Yeah. That's where it gets a bit funny, too, because it's like, people want you to know that they shot it on film because the photo is not quite as good as it would have been if they'd shot it with a modern camera. And. Yeah, it's weird. I love shooting film, but I've sort of gone off it a little bit now. Cause it's gotten a bit harder to get stuff developed and, like I said, harder to get film. I've got three or four rolls in the fridge ready in case I wanna dust off the Nikon film cameras. Where are they? [00:56:19] Speaker B: What lenses you still got for that? [00:56:20] Speaker A: I think I've only got 135 mil, but you've got plenty. Let's come knocking on you. Knocking on your window. [00:56:27] Speaker B: Yeah, that's where the gorilla suit. [00:56:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I've still got the f. So I've got this, the f five, which was super fun. But I've still got the f 100, which is in at the office as well. [00:56:41] Speaker C: Talking about suits, I reckon. Here we go. [00:56:46] Speaker A: Oops. [00:56:46] Speaker B: Oh. Oh. [00:56:47] Speaker C: What happened there? Sorry. [00:56:51] Speaker A: Do I buy a ghillie suit for a secret proposal? Only if you. Yeah, yeah. Only if you tell them that you're going to do that. Because otherwise you might end up getting beaten up or something. [00:57:03] Speaker B: Is that like one of those, like swats? Like the nas? Yeah, probably not, Jeremy. Just be. Just be really sneaky. [00:57:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You gotta sneak in to. Gotta have it planned. Have a route. Watch out for sticks. It's always in the movies, it's always a stick that you step on that snaps. [00:57:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And do things like get them to play music so that any outside noises, like yourself is masked. Have a clear path. Clear hidden path in. [00:57:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Come from. Come from downwind. Otherwise, they'll smell you coming. Oh, no, that's. It's wildlife. [00:57:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:48] Speaker A: Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes. What else? Another DJI drone? [00:57:57] Speaker B: More. [00:57:57] Speaker A: And then another. [00:58:01] Speaker B: Jeremy's put off film because he's been. Has to develop it every day, so Jeremy was in camera house in. In Bendigo, so that's fair enough. [00:58:11] Speaker A: He's our professional camera man. Grant, you buying a new drone? [00:58:20] Speaker C: I'll wait till I buy a new camera first, I think. [00:58:23] Speaker A: Yeah, probably a good idea. I'm actually kind of happy. This. This drone does look really good. This is the new mavic three pro. I shoot with the mavic three classic. So mine has one camera, I think this one. This has three cameras. And then there's a mavic three nothing in the middle. So this is the classic, the nothing, and then the pro, the nothing has two cameras. This has three. So it's basically got 24 mil, 70 mil, and 160 something mil, and I think it'll be. [00:59:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Was it 116? [00:59:02] Speaker A: 160? I thought. [00:59:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I thought it said 16. Sorry. [00:59:07] Speaker A: I could be wrong. I could be wrong. We could scroll down and find out. Yeah. Triple lens, 24 mil, 70 mil, 166 equivalent, seven by optical zoom, f 3.4, but, yeah. So they think it's you that people are sort of saying it's usable, like, much, much more usable than the telephoto lens on the Mavic three, as opposed to Mavic three pro. But they reckon the medium tally. The 70 mil is really good. Very usable. But what I'm happy about is the camera. The main camera is the same as the camera in the drone. They haven't updated that camera compared to my drone. So now I don't feel like I'm missing out and I don't have to sell my drone and get a new one. [00:59:53] Speaker B: You're not going to use 116? [00:59:55] Speaker A: Oh, no. I would love to see. I'd love to use the 70 if we're shooting in more open situations, but, yeah, you need to be in an open situation to really make use of that 70. I hit trees as it is. If I was trying to shoot with a 70 mil lens, I'm gonna be hitting trees all day, so. [01:00:15] Speaker C: Well, I watched Chris Howe on his review on it, and he crashed it when he was on the 166, because he said just depth of fields right out. But he said he crashed it, and it kept flying, and then he got. [01:00:27] Speaker A: It up again, so I crashed mine. I crashed mine the other day. It kept flying. Will thought it was going to hit him in the face. And it just stabilized itself and kept going. Was cool. [01:00:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's good. Awesome. [01:00:37] Speaker A: It's. I'm very impressed with the ability to crash and then not go down. [01:00:43] Speaker B: You crash a lot. That's great. [01:00:45] Speaker A: I crash a lot. It's hard shooting. Mountain biking in trees is not as easy as people would think. [01:00:52] Speaker B: And dense trees too. They're not like quite very open. They're very random australian bush plus I. [01:00:57] Speaker A: Don'T think I've played a video game for 20 years. You know, I don't have the thumb. [01:01:04] Speaker B: Did they have video games when you were a kid, Justin? Yeah. [01:01:08] Speaker C: Joystick, wasn't it? [01:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah, we had game boys. You wouldn't understand, Jim, but you had to put like a hard disk into it. It wasn't just. You didn't just download the game, buy a physical disc and you had to slide it into the game thing. [01:01:24] Speaker B: Like a Nintendo. [01:01:26] Speaker A: Yeah, like a Nintendo. You see them at a museum. Sure you did. [01:01:34] Speaker C: He also said he flew it like one k in the air then ten k away without any breakup with his controller. [01:01:43] Speaker B: It's a long way, long way. [01:01:46] Speaker A: Unfortunately that's completely useless for us here in Australia because it's highly illegal, which I was talking to a lovely gentleman about drone licensing this week. I've learned a little bit more about drone licensing. I think I might get him on the show to try and explain some stuff to people because it's very confusing. Is that basically. No, no, he does. I don't think he does licensing like training. So basically from what I understand now, I'll probably still get my license. I definitely am correct in that I don't need a license to do what I'm doing. I don't need a license to fly my drone to make money because it's under two kilos. You need it to be able to fly in certain proximities. You need it to be able to do anything. If you want to be able to do anything where you have to get approval from Cas or anything like that, you need a license. I personally need a license to be able to use it at the alpine parks. But that's not a law. That's just because that's their privately run alpine parks like Mount Hotham Snow fields. So they can dictate what their requirements are and your insurance is a lot safer. Insurance is a grey area without a license and that's scary. Yeah, I think. I think an insurance company would still. [01:03:07] Speaker C: Have to be registered. [01:03:08] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. You have to register. And also if anyone's listen to this, please don't take my word for it. Go on. [01:03:15] Speaker B: This is not. [01:03:16] Speaker A: Go to Castro and google it. But you definitely have to register your drone. And you have to get a registered operators certificate or an arn as well. Yeah, that kind of stuff. So, yeah, there's this. A few things that you need to do regardless of. Of what drone you're flying. [01:03:32] Speaker C: And you got to pay now too, don't you? $40 or $20. [01:03:35] Speaker A: Oh, maybe. I'm not sure. Yeah, maybe 100% sure. Traveling in New Zealand recently. Plenty of sites with no drones allowed. Is this the same in Australia? Not as many as New Zealand, but it definitely is a thing. Um. Yeah, yeah, but just depends where. Yeah. [01:04:01] Speaker B: I've ever seen, like, at the beach, like, lifeguards finding someone who's flying a drone over the beach and be like, you can't do that here. [01:04:08] Speaker A: But no, when I went to New Zealand, I did not. It was. It was in a lot of spots. Yeah. So it's. It's happening more and more obviously, as it becomes a problem. So, yeah, make sure you check your zones. And the other thing is, it doesn't. The. No drones allowed areas aren't always in the DJI map, so you can't rely on the DJI map. They're really good with like airports and stuff like that. But I know some of the alpine parks and stuff because they're not. Yeah, they weren't on the DJI, like lock zones and things. Paul Henderson can remember using a tape drive to load games, then floppy disks back in the last century. Yeah, I never had the tape drive, but. Yeah, floppy. Floppy disks. And then. Yeah, it was. Once we got to CD Roms, it was a game changer. Yeah, way better. [01:05:07] Speaker C: 700 megabyte. [01:05:08] Speaker A: Wow. Yeah, you could much stuff. The graphics got so much faster. The sounds were better. [01:05:16] Speaker B: Good times. [01:05:17] Speaker A: Good times. [01:05:20] Speaker B: So Yelena actually thought Jeremy was going to propose in the. In the suit. [01:05:27] Speaker A: Do we know for sure yet? [01:05:29] Speaker B: How sneaky are you trying to be, Jeremy? [01:05:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:31] Speaker B: You sneak up and propose on. [01:05:36] Speaker C: I'm happy Yelena's comments are getting read out tonight, too. [01:05:39] Speaker A: Yeah, last week was a disaster. [01:05:44] Speaker B: We got that in the end. [01:05:47] Speaker A: Ah, yeah, I just. We just missed it. [01:05:50] Speaker B: Not today. [01:05:51] Speaker A: Not today. What else. What else has been happening other than. Other than back and forth about buying cameras? I don't know why I'm still. [01:06:03] Speaker B: Wedding. [01:06:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you shot a wedding. How was your wedding? We asked about grants. We didn't care about yours. You shoot them all the time. [01:06:08] Speaker B: You did ask, but then we just moved on afterwards. [01:06:10] Speaker A: Um. [01:06:11] Speaker B: It was good. I actually, really good wedding. Um, two grooms, and it was really fun. They had a good day. And it was, um, a big. Yeah, actually, um, just normal. Like normal size. They. They did something different, though. So I've shot at this venue I don't know how many times. Countless, like, maybe 50 times. [01:06:34] Speaker A: Which venue is that? [01:06:34] Speaker C: The one up the road. [01:06:36] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's closest venue to my house. It's called chatter deray in Mandarin, just out of Bendigo. And for every wedding, the ceremony is generally always in the same spots in a little garden, which, if it's overcast, is amazing. If it's sunny, it gets a really dappled light through the trees, which it looks nice during the day, but on camera, it's really hard to photograph. You kind of got to just meet in the middle of an exposure of compensating for both people and hoping for the best. I have been talking for a couple of years about trying to switch the ceremony around. And yeah, this couple did it. They went the reverse ceremony location, so the sun was behind them and it looked awesome. It looks way better. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:24] Speaker C: So is that where the part where you walk in normally? [01:07:27] Speaker B: Yes. So they're about five steps in front of that. They had some nice, pretty epic florals standing up, um, by, like, a local florist. And then. Yeah, there's. There's like, a new path that's coming from the back, so it makes it really easy to come down the aisle. And, um, it was really good. And for light wise, it's definitely game changer. [01:07:47] Speaker A: Awesome. Only took you that long. Now, if you could, uh, help them improve. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Taking me a long time to come. [01:07:52] Speaker A: Indoor lighting setup. [01:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah, we're working on that. It's on the agenda. [01:07:58] Speaker A: It's on the agenda. Yeah, that's where. That's the only place I'll need the lightroom aid. Noise. [01:08:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it's very dark. [01:08:08] Speaker A: I'm excited about that, denoise. For creative editing, it was fun playing with these photos. [01:08:14] Speaker B: Mmm. I think the person's head's not too big. I think it, like. [01:08:18] Speaker A: Like yours. [01:08:19] Speaker B: Yeah, like, it worked pretty well. The shots of wheel looked awesome. And, like, the shot of Dan was great. Like, in the mind. [01:08:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:08:27] Speaker B: For those, like, it's gonna potentially make your life a lot easier. [01:08:32] Speaker A: No, you can know it will not. [01:08:34] Speaker B: Why? [01:08:35] Speaker A: Because it takes, like, you have to create a DNG for every file. [01:08:38] Speaker B: I forgot to mention it's made. Sorry. [01:08:42] Speaker A: Do you want Joey Jamie to show you one? [01:08:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I thought it was just like, you just hear, boom. [01:08:50] Speaker A: Done. [01:08:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's do. [01:08:54] Speaker A: Let's do one live. A live. That's not it. Come on. There we go. I forgot to show you this one, actually, this was a fun one because it, like, when you de noise it and then crank it up, like, you get this really clean, crispy rippling of that. Like, you know, on the regular one, it's sort of like that. [01:09:32] Speaker B: Noisy through that to the CFA and then. [01:09:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Crazy, right? [01:09:40] Speaker B: That's crazy. You can crank the clarity up that much, but it hasn't ruined the image at all. [01:09:44] Speaker A: It's like the clarity is the secret weapon to making the denoise cool. For certain photos, it's an over process, for sure, but for, like, for that style marketing image, like, look at that versus that for making it pop. Whereas before I was scared to push it because of the noise. What do we got here? I mean, that. That doesn't have a lot of noise in it, but also, if I wanted to push this, like, if I want to push the shadows, we'd get. We get a lot of noise. So look at that banding noise. I know what's gonna happen here. Let's. Let's bring those shadows back down a bit. It's not a lot of. Let's see. So basically, you go to the. The noisy bit and you hit Denoise. It does this for a little while. [01:10:30] Speaker B: Cool. [01:10:31] Speaker A: I'm not. I'm not sure why. [01:10:32] Speaker B: The preview of death. [01:10:35] Speaker A: Well, and that. But also the preview screen is pretty clunky as well. It's like, why isn't it the same interface as light as the rest of lightroom? [01:10:43] Speaker B: That's probably because it's a Photoshop thing. That looks like a photoshop. [01:10:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:47] Speaker B: Screen to me, anyway. [01:10:50] Speaker C: Zooms in too, at the start. [01:10:53] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's. And it's a very close zoom into a part of the photo that's usually not relevant, which is pretty standard for Lightroom. It's like, spot removals. [01:11:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I think I tried it on the wedding that I just shot, and I just kept zooming in on, like, the grass. I'm like, I don't care about the grass. [01:11:10] Speaker A: So, yeah, this is going. This is going fast. As you can see. We won't be. We won't be doing this to every wedding photo. [01:11:17] Speaker B: No. [01:11:18] Speaker A: For an entire night. Yep. So we've zoomed in on a little bit of stuff. So you can zoom out, but then it's teeny and then you go, alright, what's going to be a good reference point for me? Maybe this helmet here is kind of handy. So then if you click on it, you can see wow. Without enhance, with enhance. But that's when you, if you're just looking at this bit, you're like, oh, yeah, I need to, um, I need to, you know, crank it right up. But, but don't so look halfway is a pretty intense effect. [01:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:56] Speaker A: Ten to 20 is probably where you want to try. If it's for people, like for, for say people with face expressions and stuff like that. If it's this dude in the helmet, it's all good. Let's do 50. We go. Enhance. [01:12:10] Speaker C: Enhance. [01:12:11] Speaker A: And so now it's actually creating a DNG file. So we'll have a separate file which, a DNG is a different format of raw file. It's still super flexible. You can still edit it. It's a more universal standard than like a CR three, like Canon or Nikon specific raw file. So it creates that. It's just done that and put it in a stack. So now we've got two photos down the bottom here. The before and after. Let's just put that into. [01:12:42] Speaker C: So you'd want to do that last. [01:12:44] Speaker A: Pretty much before you do any. They're recommending do it before any masking or like spot removals or other AI stuff. Before, otherwise before, yeah. [01:12:59] Speaker B: Edit everything through that. [01:13:00] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what, that's what, yeah. Okay, so let's have a look in here. Yeah. So look at that. Nice and clean. [01:13:08] Speaker B: Look at, look at that torch light. That's insane. [01:13:12] Speaker A: Yeah. So for these kind of images, I found them. I found it's useful. It definitely gets rid of some grittiness and sort of realness, but it crisps them right up as well. So it's like, it depends on the purpose of. But for marketing images like these, I actually think. And these were all shot, these weren't like, this wasn't a stage shoot, this was live rescue training with fire and stuff. And I was just shooting it. So that's why there's not heaps of lighting and stuff involved. But if we now go to develop. [01:13:49] Speaker B: Did you crank that cloud yet or not? [01:13:52] Speaker A: That's what I mean. So now, now we've just cleaned it up, but now you've got this flexibility to like do that. [01:13:58] Speaker C: Yeah, that's cool. [01:13:59] Speaker A: And like, yeah, we're getting, we're getting a little bit of banding in there, but could back that off a bit. Maybe drop the shadows a touch and. [01:14:07] Speaker B: Then show the client these photos and they might need to re edit them. [01:14:11] Speaker A: Maybe. I was supposed to have a shoot, I was supposed to have a shoot tomorrow, actually. So now, comparing that to the previous one, it's a lot darker because we haven't cranked the. Like, if we crank the clarity in this to the same amount, like, it's messy banding, so. [01:14:33] Speaker C: Wow. [01:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah, that's on this. It's obviously very small in my screen, but it looks. [01:14:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I know, you guys, we can't see it very well, but anyway, yeah, anyway, it's slow, but that's what I've been doing today, just playing around with it. Um, let me see here. There was a few questions coming up. Paul Henderson. I tried to do about a batch of 70 photos using lightroom denoise. And about halfway through my power supply, blue. Not sure if that was the cause, but it uses some power. Wow. So AI killed your power supply? [01:15:10] Speaker B: That's a. That's a big. [01:15:13] Speaker A: And, hey, they're saying AI is going to take over the world. This is. It started with Paul's laptop. Um, it definitely is. It seems intensive, doesn't it? Like, it's. And it's not something you want to do. So for the batch, did you apply? You must have. I haven't tried it on a batch. I've only been doing it on single images, playing around. So, yeah, I'll have to do it. [01:15:33] Speaker B: To see how it goes on a batch. [01:15:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll do it between now and. [01:15:36] Speaker C: Last week, when I first done it, all my photos from the wedding were selected. You know, when it, like, selects it, but you can still go through on Lightroom, then I click denoise. Like, they're still, like, highlighted. I obviously didn't deselect all the photos. Click denoise. And it was taken forever. And I was like, what is going on? So you must be able to denoise every single photo at once, whatever, selected. [01:16:05] Speaker A: Yeah, but that would take a long, long. [01:16:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Which is probably why what happened? Like, blew the power supply. Use a lot of power. [01:16:14] Speaker A: Hmm. Mick, Warren, do you guys use any other editing software other than lightroom and Photoshop? No, but we don't even really use Photoshop. [01:16:25] Speaker B: Even. [01:16:25] Speaker A: Don't know. Don't even use Photoshop. I've been a lightroom user since I switched from aperture. Apple. Apple's aperture that they used to have. What was that back in the day? It was their lightroom. It was actually really. [01:16:38] Speaker B: I mean, a long time ago, though. [01:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it was a while. I mean, it was basically, I shot my. I edited my first wedding on it, I think, very first, and then that, and then it got basically discontinued. And everyone at that point, everyone was saying lightroom was better anyway, so I was already kind of looking at Lightroom, and then Apple said, we're gonna stop supporting it. I've still got a. An aperture catalog on my computer, like, backed up. I'm not sure why. [01:17:06] Speaker B: Cool. I wonder, can you open it? [01:17:08] Speaker A: I don't think so. Yeah. I don't know, but, yeah, the Photoshop almost never. And the year and lightroom. But I'd like to try some other stuff. What. What should we try? Lars said he still uses capture one and he really likes the files of. I mean, Canon has a raw converter. I've been interested to try that just to see raw conversion. Um, yeah. Do you. What do you use, Grant? [01:17:37] Speaker C: Uh, I'm just. Yeah, lightroom. [01:17:39] Speaker A: Photoshop. [01:17:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:42] Speaker C: Also, Mick Warren is our first, um, member in our Facebook group. [01:17:48] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, Nick. Thanks. [01:17:51] Speaker C: Yep. He's, um, profile and he's. Yeah, got a pretty cool bit of an astro photo for his profile picture. [01:17:59] Speaker A: Nice. [01:18:00] Speaker C: Jump in the group and have a look. [01:18:02] Speaker A: Check out some of his astro photography soon. [01:18:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:07] Speaker A: Dark table. Slowly teaching myself. Dark table. What's dark table? And Mick had a play with dark room. Are they the same thing or are they different? Oh, dark table. Okay, so what's dark table? I'll have to find out. [01:18:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I do not know. [01:18:20] Speaker A: Dark table. Dark table versus lightroom. Okay, I'm gonna be checking this out. I'll come back to you guys next week. [01:18:31] Speaker C: Is it cheaper? [01:18:33] Speaker A: Oh, it's free, I believe. [01:18:36] Speaker C: Really? [01:18:38] Speaker A: Maybe. And have we ever used DXO raw? No. No, I haven't. I've read bits and pieces about it, but it's never proposed, like, a good enough upgrade in terms of like. Or whatever you would call it, a reason to change. You know, I sort of. It's been like, you know, you're shooting cannon and. Yes, only you've released a cool camera and it's good, but it not. It's not worth changing for me and from Lightroom, so I've never played with the exo raw. The only thing I've played with is plugins, which. What are they called now? I think Google bought them. If you guys ever used a plugin called, like, silver effects pro. No, what's it called? [01:19:36] Speaker B: While you're looking at that. So Lauren said, isn't Photoshop considered vintage now? And I think probably, I reckon. Welcome back. Lauren too. [01:19:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:45] Speaker B: I was about to say I was in last week. [01:19:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Og. [01:19:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I would. I would consider it vintage. And I was chatting to a local photographer the other day, and they were still editing in Photoshop, I was like a jump on Lightroom. Just try it. It'll seriously change your life. And they finally did, after many years of trying to convince them. [01:20:08] Speaker A: Now it's all coming back to me. So, Nick effects, which, yes, they were owned by Google for a while, but I think they've been bought by DXO. And that's what reminded me of. Yeah. So let me just. The Nick collection. [01:20:25] Speaker B: There we go. [01:20:26] Speaker C: Scott Brace jumped in the group. [01:20:28] Speaker A: Hey, Scott. Yes. Nick effects. Where are we? Nick? So, yeah, this. I. You'd use these a fair bit a while ago, and then Lightroom got a lot more powerful with. With gradients and stuff like that and. Yeah, I actually. This is exciting me to get back into silver effects. It was never an option for weddings. It's because, like, plugins are kind of the same where they create a JPEG or a tiff or whatever, and then you're working off the raw, then creating something with the plugin, then bringing it back into lightroom. And it's kind of slow, but when you're just working on one photo at a time to do something cool, the plugins were really fun. Yeah. The black and white conversions were definitely a lot better. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:26] Speaker A: So, yeah, yeah. Color effects, I used to use that all the time. You could change parts of the photo, which lightroom just didn't have that then. I know. [01:21:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:21:38] Speaker B: What's even now? Like, it's still frustrating sometimes. China? [01:21:41] Speaker A: Oh, I don't know. You seen the masking now? It's crazy. Yeah. [01:21:44] Speaker B: But I'd love to be able to, like, hsl mask so I could, like, tweak my skies and adjust just my skies. [01:21:55] Speaker A: Hmm. You can now they just put curves. They can't do HSL, but they just did curves. [01:22:01] Speaker B: I just want to see in the. [01:22:03] Speaker A: Latest, you can do it with curves. In the new, newest update, you can now mask and apply curves. And curves have RGB, you know. Anyway, yeah, silver effects pro is great. I use affinity and DXO pl four. I don't know what dxo pal four is, but, yeah, I'm gonna have to try some of this stuff again. Now that I'm not doing as many sort of, like, as much volume of work, there's a chance to actually test some stuff. Whereas I'm guessing Jim's probably thinking, I'm not trying any of this stuff. [01:22:37] Speaker B: I got my system, I've got a. [01:22:40] Speaker A: Process, and I'm gotta get through the process. [01:22:43] Speaker B: I don't have time at the moment to change the process. [01:22:47] Speaker A: Maybe in winter Lauren O'Brien. I did an auto delete for a water bottle in the background on canva for content for a client today. Whoop, whoop. Good job. It's even like that. [01:22:59] Speaker C: That photo I done on the iPhone, off your photo of the camera. [01:23:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And it just cut it out. [01:23:05] Speaker C: I literally clicked on the photo and it, like, instantly just, like, made a little thing around the camera, and I just accidentally pressed copy. And then. Yeah, I was like, oh, I'll see what this does. Press paste. And just pasted like that without the background was. Yeah, everything's just getting too, too crazy. [01:23:24] Speaker A: I've been loving canva for the. For the thumbnails, for this channel. [01:23:28] Speaker C: I heard canvas, good for reels. [01:23:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I tried making one in there. [01:23:35] Speaker A: Ages ago, and I made one in there, but no one watched it. So, yeah. [01:23:42] Speaker B: Justin, you love canva. I'm been trying to get you into Photoshop to do stuff, and you just. [01:23:47] Speaker A: Honestly, I don't know what's wrong with me, but I go into Photoshop and I just freeze up. I'm like, I. There's too much. I can't handle it. All the tools are really small, and none of them do what you think they do. It'll be like a paintbrush, and you pick it and it cuts something out, and you're like, that doesn't even make sense. And someone goes, oh, yeah, that's the lasso tool. And you're like, what does that do? Paints things? It doesn't make any sense. I don't know who invented Photoshop, but they. I think they wanted to make it more like a puzzle. [01:24:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I use it a fair bit for the landscapes, but I won't only use it to cut people out if I'm doing wedding photos. [01:24:22] Speaker A: You could be making your thumbnails. [01:24:24] Speaker C: I could be, but I don't have time. Some of us have real time jobs, Justin. [01:24:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:32] Speaker B: Just sell camera straps for a living. [01:24:36] Speaker A: It's good for intros for reels, but capcut for real creation. Okay, cap cut's a go. I'll try capcut. [01:24:43] Speaker C: It's just an app for your phone. [01:24:45] Speaker A: Gold tips. [01:24:46] Speaker B: Yeah, might have to jump on that, too. Might make it easier for me to be more voting for reels. [01:24:52] Speaker A: No, we came up with a plan for your reels, Jim, where you'll get paid to make them hybrid and if. [01:24:59] Speaker B: Yeah, coverage. [01:25:01] Speaker C: If you make them in cat car, cap cut, you don't, um, get, like, the stupid watermarks if you do, like, when you make it in Instagram and stuff. [01:25:11] Speaker A: Ah, yep, yep, yep. Yep. [01:25:13] Speaker C: If you want to put it to, like, other social platforms. [01:25:17] Speaker B: Ah, yeah. [01:25:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Socials. We're so pro at socials. [01:25:24] Speaker B: Yeah, we are. Social media podcast. [01:25:27] Speaker A: When I was looking at all these photos to use for testing out the denoise, I was like, I should probably post more because these are just photos that had high ISO noise. And I'm like, these are pretty good. I should probably put them on my instagram. [01:25:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I've just started. I've just started posting it. I noticed that a couple of posts this week. Bringing back the feed. [01:25:55] Speaker C: Yeah, that's to your other account, though, not the Justin and Jim one. [01:26:01] Speaker B: Oh, great. If you jump on Justin Jim, you'll see a post went up just before this podcast went live. [01:26:07] Speaker C: Oh, sorry. [01:26:09] Speaker B: Minutes. [01:26:09] Speaker C: But I'm talking about the, um, the motorbike ones that you put up. [01:26:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I've been posting them. Yep. [01:26:19] Speaker A: Um, the. I've got a strange addiction at the moment to Fujifilm gear, and I haven't. I don't have any other than one little camera, but one X 100 space. [01:26:37] Speaker B: You can talk about it here. [01:26:38] Speaker A: But I keep looking. I keep looking at them. I can't stop looking at them. And they've got this one called the X Pro three, and it doesn't even have a screen. Have you ever shot with my X 100, Jim? [01:26:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I reckon I did in Cambodia. [01:26:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. You might not remember, but the optical view, there's a viewfinder that changes from optical to EVF. So it can be either for mirrorless, like, it can be either a simulated, you know, view, or it can just be optical, like a DSLR, but it's not a DSLR. So the optical viewfinder is more like. It's wider than what you. What you're taking a photo of. And then there's like, a frame line. [01:27:21] Speaker B: Rings a bell. [01:27:23] Speaker A: And I love it. It's just so because you can see. [01:27:26] Speaker B: More, and it's kind of work out what you want. [01:27:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So you can frame the shot with the frame line. I really like it. And yes, I keep looking at this X pro three, but I think it's been out for like, three or four years. So I'm like, I'm sure it'll get updated if I was to buy one, but let me bring it up. The other cool thing that appeals to me is they've released a tiny little lens for it. So it would be. Where is it? X Pro three. So it would be small. You could almost fit it in your pocket. But the coolest thing is the back of it isn't doesn't have a screen unless you open it. So, like, by default, you're just looking at this, and it does this for what film simulation you're using. [01:28:25] Speaker B: That's pretty cool. [01:28:26] Speaker A: So it's like. And then. And then if you want to see the screen, you got to open it up. Oh. [01:28:31] Speaker B: But it doesn't flip back. So you can't, like, spin it around and just screen? [01:28:35] Speaker A: No, you just got to shoot it like it's a film camera. I love it. [01:28:39] Speaker B: Pretty cool. [01:28:40] Speaker A: I really, really like the idea of it, but it doesn't have a lot of things that I'd like to have in a camera, so I don't think it could be, like, my only camera. [01:28:52] Speaker B: No. What are they worth? [01:28:55] Speaker A: Two and a half grand. Okay. [01:28:57] Speaker B: Is that with that lens or you think about. [01:29:00] Speaker A: No, no, no, you'd have to get a lens. I think that's the lens that I would get. But look, see how nice and small that. That lens. So it's like a compact little thing. [01:29:07] Speaker B: Um, maybe that's very much a personal camera. [01:29:11] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe. Either that or I get this. This Ricoh gr iii that we were talking about the other day. Ah. Did you direct? [01:29:22] Speaker B: We do not recommend. [01:29:24] Speaker A: Look. Hey, they good sales. There were some nice people there, but, um, it's not. It's no longer somewhere that I like to do a lot of shopping at. [01:29:34] Speaker B: Hey, I had a question. I just had a thought that's about lighting. Mainly for my phone, mainly for the podcast, but. [01:29:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:29:42] Speaker B: So, you know, so we spoke about it early in the podcast. I'm actually using an iMac, a laptop as well, but I'm using my imac to light me. Could I set up a grid on that to try and light or just even if I put a. Like a hood around it to try and spread it less? [01:30:01] Speaker A: Yeah, you would need a grid. Are you trying to. Is it because you're trying to create, like, the shadow that I've got going on here? Is that what you want some of this? [01:30:09] Speaker B: No, no, because I can trim this down a bit. I can, like, turn it. [01:30:13] Speaker A: But then I feel now that's just reducing your. [01:30:16] Speaker B: Yeah, because also my front light is quite bright, so I probably turn that down, too. [01:30:22] Speaker C: We might need to denoise you. [01:30:24] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe put some AI denoise on you. [01:30:27] Speaker B: No, I think I probably just need to get a camera and a lot. [01:30:30] Speaker A: That'd be good. I mean, you've got cameras I need to look at. [01:30:34] Speaker B: Maybe. I guess the D 780 market. Useful. [01:30:37] Speaker A: I've actually got a Lars who I interviewed on Monday and you can watch it. You've got a YouTube lars. He emailed me today. I didn't get a chance to reply to him, but he wanted to know what. What my mic and stuff set up is, so I'll have to let him know. But also I'm going to. I'm going to be upgrading because we got to get the. We got to get the procaster, too, so we can take phone calls. Mick Warren loves his Fujifilm XT 20 and Xt two. Yeah. And then the xts are cool, but they're not as cool as this X Pro three, but they're a lot more functional. Like, the X t five is like way more of a all rounder camera that you could actually do everything with. And then I look at that and then I'm like, wow, it almost does everything, but the xh two s does everything. And then I look at the xh two SDHe, and then I look at all that, and then I'm like, wow, I might as well just shoot with my canon stuff. Then I end up back there. That's the loop that I go on, that. [01:31:33] Speaker B: That little Fuji. I mean, yeah. You were just like speaking on language then, to me. [01:31:37] Speaker A: Yes. [01:31:39] Speaker B: That's what my brain's like. Yeah. [01:31:45] Speaker A: Jeremy's been shooting with a Fujifilm GFX fifty s two or whatever it is. And I had my hands on it the other day. It's pretty nice. It's very nice, but too slow for sports, very nice for landscapes and portraits and studio work. [01:32:04] Speaker B: Kenneth, looking in a new screen soon, currently have the 1080 VA panel. Twelve years old, looking at affordable. So Justin and I both. Yeah, both put new screens, probably in the last. Or yours is probably, what, two years old? Mine's probably coming on. Twelve months old. [01:32:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:32:29] Speaker B: So I bought an asus pro art. [01:32:34] Speaker C: What is it? [01:32:36] Speaker A: Let me see if. [01:32:36] Speaker B: I think it's a 3200. Seuss pro art 3200, maybe. It was pretty good. [01:32:47] Speaker A: Didn't you have lots of problems with yours? [01:32:50] Speaker B: No, I think it. [01:32:52] Speaker A: Maybe this one, I think. [01:33:11] Speaker B: Which one? [01:33:11] Speaker A: We're working on it. We're just sorry if anyone's listening, we're googling stuff for Kenneth because part of what we do here is suggest things that people should buy, because then we don't have to buy stuff, so we suggest people might want to buy. I'm just trying to see if this is similar to what I got. This. I've got a 32 inch benq, and it was an older model, which made it a lot cheaper, which was good. It just didn't have thunderbolts or anything. But what I can't see is if it's 100% srgb. Yeah, it is 100% srgb. Yeah, 100% rec 709. Look, this thing at a quick research, 27 inch two K USB C with good, like, good color. No, no, no. This is, this is a different option, but it's a similar series to what I got. Mine's a inch, but yeah, for $500, maybe something like that. Or maybe get the 4k version if you can swing it. But yeah, it does. Does like the vertical thing, you know, if you. If you want to go vertical. I don't know. But yeah, I did have. I have to say, I did have a lot of trouble with my USB hub on mine. I don't use it anymore. It just didn't. Kept dropping out and stuff like that. So I actually have a proper hub for my MacBook Pro. A thunderbolt hub? Yeah, the one that sort of was built into the monitor just didn't seem to work properly with hard drives and stuff. So be wary of that if you think it's going to be an all in one solution. Unless it's a really expensive monitor with a really good hub, you might have problems. [01:34:55] Speaker B: But mine was good, like, really good. So I'm running. This is proart, 32 inch one 4k. It's about $1,000, give or take. And it was working really well with a thunderbolt cable. And then the original Thunderbolt cable broke, and then haven't been able to get it to work properly since it's running now. But I can't run through the hub or anything like that, which is frustrating. [01:35:22] Speaker A: Hmm. [01:35:22] Speaker B: Because that was the whole reason I bought this one over this. Essentially the same model as Justin's. [01:35:27] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah. So same kind of issue, I guess. Hubs are never as good when they're built into monitors. I mean, my hub. My hub was $500. Yeah, but that's obviously. [01:35:38] Speaker B: And it's obviously awesome. [01:35:39] Speaker A: It's great. [01:35:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:35:41] Speaker A: I've got one. One cord that goes into my laptop, and then everything comes off that hub. Yeah. Yeah, it's fast and does it all. [01:35:48] Speaker B: I think it's time I almost get one, I reckon. [01:35:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:51] Speaker B: If he's frustrated me have enough. [01:35:53] Speaker A: After that, z eight comes out. Can afford it. I think we're gonna have to do a trip soon. But you guys are very busy, right? When I think. Well, sometime in May, I guess. [01:36:18] Speaker B: May. I'm good for May. [01:36:20] Speaker C: End of May, apparently. Pineapple expresses on. [01:36:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I can't that weekend. Because we're going to Queensland for the Torian. Yep, yep, yep, yep. You should know. [01:36:33] Speaker C: I should know. Are you going, Jim? [01:36:38] Speaker B: To which one? [01:36:39] Speaker C: The Taurian. [01:36:42] Speaker B: Not at this stage. I need to have a look at the date. Seriously. [01:36:47] Speaker A: But, yeah, we should do a trip and I want to test out. What? Yeah, I think we could do a good little camera review, field test, where we test a few cameras at once and put them through their paces for landscape, portrait sports and maybe. I feel like it would be good to try and do Astro, but it's very weather dependent. [01:37:08] Speaker C: Yeah, Mount Buffalo would be really cool. [01:37:11] Speaker A: Yeah. But wouldn't it be fun to put, you know, three or four similar but different cameras through. Through the same set of tests? Yeah, yeah. Dark mofo Tasmania in June. Oh, yeah, I've heard about such a thing. Let me check that out. And yet Pineapple Express is the weekend before Taurian. Right. That's why I can't go, because I can't. I can't do the two weeks in a row. Can't make it. [01:37:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Did your boss doesn't let you have any days off? [01:37:48] Speaker A: No, I've got it. Got a dog. Very needy dog. [01:37:51] Speaker B: True. Yeah. [01:37:57] Speaker A: So, yeah. Should try and get away and do it in May. Pineapple Express actually would have been a good weekend to do a test. Use the mountain bikes for the sports. [01:38:12] Speaker B: We can just shoot ourselves. [01:38:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. It'd be better. Just have people just coming past. Just coming past. [01:38:18] Speaker B: Yeah, true. [01:38:20] Speaker C: I'm sure if we've been out there anyway, it might be like that. [01:38:23] Speaker A: Probably. [01:38:24] Speaker C: They just might be a bit freaked out. Just with us three up there. [01:38:27] Speaker B: Three cars in the same spot. [01:38:32] Speaker A: Yes. Ted, my dog, is the boss. And lucky. Lucky trip, maybe. Jeremy, maybe. [01:38:42] Speaker B: How many photographers do we need? [01:38:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. Well, we might. Maybe if. [01:38:49] Speaker B: Jeremy, can you shoot video? Can you shoot video? [01:38:52] Speaker A: Jeremy, come and film us. I don't know if anyone's picked up by now, but Jeremy does also work with us at lucky. Camera straps. He's often packing straps, embossing straps or taking photos of things when he. When he's not doing other camera things. So. Yeah, yeah. What else? What haven't we talked about? [01:39:22] Speaker B: Jeremy can try. [01:39:26] Speaker A: We've got a lot of. A lot of gear coming out, but I think it's going to slow down. Obviously not the Z eight, but it seems like they've launched a heap of stuff over that nab show and they're probably going to stop for a little while, so we might get a little bit of relief on wanting to buy new things, but I got to sell some new things. That's what I need to do. I had to sell my old GoPro, sell my audio recorder. I've ended up with a whole heap of things that I don't use anymore. But your stories of scammers on marketplace have an exciting to list. Anything. [01:40:00] Speaker C: I haven't got a scammer for my D 750 yet. I'm disappointed. [01:40:03] Speaker B: Haven't. I think I've got about five more today. [01:40:06] Speaker A: It's too old, Grant. They don't want that. [01:40:10] Speaker B: So if anyone was tuning in last week, I think, do we speak about it on the podcast or we just asked. [01:40:16] Speaker A: No. [01:40:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So both people were scammers? [01:40:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. The last couple that you showed us. And you were sort of like, is this legit? [01:40:27] Speaker B: And, yes, I'm trying to summit D 780, I'm getting offers on it now, which is good, like legit australian offers. Are you shot there? Yeah. Whether everyone's offering 1500 and I've got, I've got a current list at about 2000 and I just think 1500, that's like, granted, listing his D 750 for 1300. [01:40:49] Speaker A: Yeah. He hasn't even had a scammer respond to it. [01:40:51] Speaker C: A thousand. [01:40:52] Speaker A: That's how overpriced 1300. [01:40:55] Speaker C: Put it down. 1000. [01:40:56] Speaker B: You tried to sell it to me for 1300. [01:41:00] Speaker C: Then you weren't interested. [01:41:04] Speaker B: That'S why. Because you have one for 1300 thousand. [01:41:07] Speaker A: That's funny. [01:41:07] Speaker C: Keen. Do you want to park it in your driveway for the night? [01:41:12] Speaker A: The garage selling secondhand gear is. Yeah, it's painful. It is painful. Unless every now and then, though, you meet someone online, like they message you or whatever, and you're like, oh, they're on my level because they message the same way. They're just like, hey, yep, you can, we could. I can drive to you or whatever, and it's just easy peasy. But, yeah, until that person comes along, all the other ones are painful. [01:41:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:38] Speaker A: Just like, hmm. So good luck with that and I'll keep you updated looking around. And there is stuff that I do need to get rid of that I've been. [01:41:50] Speaker C: How old is your oldest GoPro, Justin? [01:41:54] Speaker A: Nine. I had it, I had a clear out, honestly, not that long ago. I had no heap of them, but I. I put them all in a box and listed it all for $150 with every mount I could find. Oh, yeah, I had one of them. I had a Tony's, I had a three s. Was it a three s? Three something? Three, three plus. Three plus. That was it, yeah. And I had it in a four case. I upgraded the case to a four because the case goes, I think I. [01:42:21] Speaker C: Had one of them. [01:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:42:23] Speaker A: So I got rid of that. And then like a $1,000 worth of GoPro, just paraphernalia, just like every suck mount and stick and everything I could find. I put all in a box and I was like, $150. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:42:40] Speaker C: So GoPro sucks you in. They put up all this good footage, then you try to do it and does not look the same. [01:42:48] Speaker A: No, the goat. Yeah, yeah. You need good lighting and good editing, but the, the quality is good. Yeah, it's really good. That new eleven is really, really good, but it's not. It's not a big enough difference to the nine that you would change unless you're doing, unless you're trying to match footage. That's the main reason the ten bit footage lets me manipulate it a little bit. If it's like slotted into a video and it looks so different that I want to try and make it match ten bits a bit easier for me to work with. [01:43:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:43:21] Speaker A: So. [01:43:23] Speaker B: Well, speaking of video. Sorry, no, go. [01:43:27] Speaker A: Well, I got some, I've got some guests coming on the show soon. Hopefully the, the, some of the boys from Hebron, Akeen. I don't know if I'm going to get them all on at once or separately, but they're all video guys with different, different skills, skill sets. So that'll be fun because basically it's going to be, they don't, they don't know this. Hopefully, they're not listening, but it's basically just going to be me getting free information off then. So I'll just be asking questions. Everything I can ask them about a photographer wanting to learn video for like one to 2 hours. That's why I think I'll do them all separately, because then I get, then I get three to 6 hours of free information. [01:44:11] Speaker C: Knowledge. [01:44:11] Speaker A: Yeah, of knowledge. [01:44:12] Speaker B: And it's recorded as well, so you can just watch it back. [01:44:16] Speaker A: Timestamps so I can reference it. Yeah, it's, it's gonna be good. So anyone that's thinking about learning video, stay tuned for that. That'll be coming up next week. [01:44:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:44:27] Speaker A: Which would be fun. So what we're going to say, jim. [01:44:29] Speaker B: I was going to say, is there any more questions? Because we probably. If there's any last, last minute questions, because soon we'll do a cut off and then have to announce who the lucky strap. [01:44:39] Speaker A: Yeah, we should probably do that very soon. So last chance. [01:44:42] Speaker B: Last chance to entertain. [01:44:48] Speaker C: Also jump in the Facebook group. [01:44:51] Speaker B: I've got a question for Justin. [01:44:53] Speaker A: Hit me. You don't get, by the way. [01:44:55] Speaker B: Oh, I'll just take whatever I want. Why aren't you wearing a funny? [01:45:02] Speaker A: Because I don't like to be part of your funny crew with a nice hoodie on. Just a plain hoodie. [01:45:09] Speaker B: It does look very plain. [01:45:10] Speaker A: I'm plain person. [01:45:12] Speaker C: Black on black on black. [01:45:14] Speaker A: Looks like the comments have gone quiet. Draw out of the hat grab. Do it. [01:45:20] Speaker B: Lauren, what's the Facebook group? So, Lauren, it's a recogn. [01:45:27] Speaker A: You do the thing. I'll find the Facebook thing. [01:45:29] Speaker B: All right. Yeah. Done. Here we go. [01:45:31] Speaker C: Can you see that? [01:45:31] Speaker B: Here we go. Yeah. [01:45:33] Speaker A: Don't favor anyone. No, don't cheat. [01:45:36] Speaker B: You'll have to look. Granted. [01:45:38] Speaker C: Oh, I have to say where I put my hand. [01:45:43] Speaker B: Oh, here we go. [01:45:44] Speaker A: The winner is Grant Kenneth. Kenneth Robertson. [01:45:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Cool. [01:45:52] Speaker C: A lot of questions. [01:45:52] Speaker A: Congratulations. Contact me via the lucky straps. Instagram or the camera life. Instagram. Whatever. And we'll figure it out. Email and we'll get you a $200 voucher so you can get whatever you want. Happy days. [01:46:13] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks for jumping in, everyone. [01:46:15] Speaker A: Yeah, thanks for the comments and thank you, Kenneth. Thank you. You've got to get something cool with that. It's enough. I made sure it was enough that you get, like, you know, you didn't have to spend extra money to get something. You've won a $30 voucher. But we don't sell anything under a $100. There'll be none of that here. I just put the link to that Facebook group in the chat. So, yeah, jump in if you do want to join in. We really don't know what it's going to be yet. It'll probably be a place to ask questions, post photos, show edits and ask people what you think of this edit versus that edit or anything like that. Gear suggestions? Post your latest photo in there, maybe posting. Is this a scam? Supposed to send the screenshots when you're trying to buy or sell gear? We can help as a team. We can figure out if something's a scam. Should be good. [01:47:12] Speaker B: We're not gonna sell stuff in there, though. [01:47:15] Speaker A: No. Well, maybe. I mean, less people want to buy my stuff. Kenneth, you can definitely, if you've got. [01:47:21] Speaker B: Yep. [01:47:22] Speaker A: Just email me whatever's easiest. Yeah. Awesome. And otherwise, I think that's pretty much it. Yeah. Wrap it up for another week. [01:47:36] Speaker B: Wrap it up. Thanks, everyone. Jumping in. Yeah. [01:47:40] Speaker A: Good work. And here we go. [01:47:45] Speaker C: A few people joining the group, which is good. [01:47:47] Speaker A: Beautiful. Jump in there, guys. [01:47:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:47:50] Speaker A: And if there's anything in the meantime, any questions? If you can't make the live shows, you can put questions in the comments below or on Instagram or anything like that, and we can always read them out if you're not here live and you can listen back later. [01:48:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll do my best to link the upcoming show. So you just drop it in the comments on that. So make it a bit easier for. [01:48:12] Speaker A: Us to find on the Facebook group. Yeah, that works, too. [01:48:15] Speaker B: Yep. Good idea. [01:48:18] Speaker A: All right, catch you guys soon. [01:48:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:48:21] Speaker A: Thank you. See you next week.