EP88 | Are the RUMORS True??? Fujifilm Release LIVE Watch Party

[00:00:17] Speaker A: Is that bring back at least that intro song? [00:00:20] Speaker B: Yes, still fresh. [00:00:23] Speaker A: Old school. [00:00:24] Speaker B: Old school. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Camera Life podcast. This is a very random, random show. We just threw this in last minute because there's some. Some breaking news coming out pretty soon. Out of Japan. Well, actually out of Shanghai. [00:00:44] Speaker A: Shanghai. [00:00:45] Speaker B: But before we get to that, what date is it? This is our second podcast today. My brain is a scramble, which. [00:00:52] Speaker A: June 12th. [00:00:53] Speaker B: It's still the 12th. [00:00:54] Speaker A: It is still the 12th. Same as this morning. We had a great show. This morning was very, very popular, too. [00:01:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:00] Speaker A: One of our most popular interviews to date. [00:01:03] Speaker B: That's great. [00:01:04] Speaker A: Cool. Craig Watto Watson. [00:01:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Fascinating story. Like, he's done so much. [00:01:11] Speaker A: He's done a lot of photography. [00:01:13] Speaker B: A lot of photography. And just, you know, he talked about accidents. You know, we've talked about happy accidents before. But, you know, he sort of. He just. He just followed his nose. [00:01:22] Speaker A: He, you know, he wiggled his way through an amazing career and is still going. What's Yelena saying? Way to confuse the people. Who are we confusing? [00:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Are you confused, Yelena? [00:01:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Tell us what's going on. [00:01:40] Speaker B: I'm always confused. [00:01:42] Speaker A: So Paul, Paul says. You guys again. Yeah, us again. [00:01:44] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:01:45] Speaker A: I know who can handle us twice in one day. Yes, Dave. Dave's right. He was interesting. Great guest. Very interesting. [00:01:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:55] Speaker A: So feel free to go back and watch that later or listen on Spotify, Apple podcast whenever you, you know, go for a jog or something, take the dog for a walk, whatever you're doing. Trying to have a listen, get through the workday. But yeah, tonight we're going to be talking about Fujifilm's big release that they've been teasing at the X Summit in Shanghai. So I don't know, where do we start? Do we have. Do we go over what they've released so far? They've been. Oh, tell me this, because you're a Fuji historian fan, you've dabbled. Have they always. So they always do these summits. That's their thing. That's how they release stuff. They always call them an ex Summit. They hold different. It's their thing now. So is that fairly new or is it. [00:02:39] Speaker B: No, it's been around for quite a while. They do different versions of it, but I remember in the early days with, I think it was like the X100 mark 4 or even maybe the 3, they would actually do a big stage show, some, usually in Japan, and they'd broadcast it and they'd fill a theater with people. Bit Applesque, you know. [00:02:57] Speaker A: Okay. But with Turtlenecks and a big. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Turtlenecks and tight jeans. [00:03:04] Speaker A: 1000 photos in your pocket. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Yeah, and often they, in the past they've had sort of people get up and present. They'll have, you know, famous photographers that they've brought on board, like what Andrew hall does here in Australia for Feature Film Australia. He will often test new gear and give his view on how that will resonate with the Australian market as well as providing tech advice and feedback and all that sort of thing. But yeah, often. And they'll have, they often have like two tables and on one table will be all of the industry people like the, the photographers that tested the gear and on the other table they'll have the Fujifilm people that designed it and then they'll have a presenter and then people will take turns talking about the gear and they'll all have a camera in front of them, whatever it is, or the lenses. In the past they've also released roadmaps, so kind of, you know, graphical versions. What's coming, what's been, you know, what's, what's, what's happening right now at this particular launch. The last few launches have been pretty dynamic. They did one in Australia and our good friend Charlie Blevins and I think Matt Crummons and maybe even Russell Lord were involved in that one. Yeah, it was. [00:04:18] Speaker A: Was that the big GFX one? [00:04:20] Speaker B: That was the big GFX one hundreds Mark II and the 500 mil F 4.5 or is it a 5.6? [00:04:27] Speaker A: Either way six I think, yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker B: Five six, yeah, the big 500 I think. Yeah. Matt was in that. Charlie was the, was the Fujifilm representative that revealed the GFX1 hundreds to the world. Mach 2 to the world, which was. I was really proud of him when I saw that moment because I've known Charlie for years. So that was pretty cool, you know, seeing that he'd sort of come full circle from being just a, you know, a Fuji shooter like me and managed to land a gig of Fujifilm and you know, and here he is revealing one of the best cameras around at the moment to the world in terms of, you know, that sort of offering. Yeah, it was pretty cool. So yeah, these summits, they tend to be a bit punchier now and they often rely on their ambassadors or creators, depending on what the product is to, you know, they'll have some pre film clips sometimes of people getting out and about with the gear, with whatever it is. So yeah, I think we'll see something very similar tonight. I think we'll see Some, some sort of, you know, let's cut to the clip kind of thing. And then the CEO of Fujifilm, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, that's terrible. He will, he'll probably showcase the product and say here it is. And then they'll cut to some close ups. And so yeah, so it's interesting according to the rumor sites, you know, we're only basing all of this on rumor sites at this point in time. You know, we'll know a different story in about seven minutes or at least the start of it. The rumor sites have all been saying originally they were saying it was two cameras being released at this summit and they were sure of it. They were, you know, they had locked it in that rumor sites were, they will say you could take it to the bank. And then I think it was last week they, they pivoted really quickly and said one camera confirmed and one lens. But no one knew what it was. Everyone was speculating because you know when you follow a brand and you would know this with Canon, you know what sort of needs to be updated soon. You know, when you hit that sort of four or five year mark with a camera especially there's, there's a cycle. [00:06:43] Speaker A: Yeah, this is, and it never, it doesn't always lay out that way but it gets pretty consistent with especially their core line usually unless you were shooting Canon and you were waiting for the 5D mark 4 in which case you ended up switching to Nikon because they took too long and then switched back to Canon later. It's not me but yeah, it's, it's this, this. I mean this is what I was interested, where I was going with this before is actually before we do that, before we look at Fujifilm socials, I want to say good evening to some more people in the chat. Felicity Johnson, good evening. Random is good. Yes. Ian Thompson, good evening. Tim Siamas, Good to see you. Good evening. And Edison. Seb. What's up Seb? What I was looking at before and what I was going to ask you about is they've teased a couple of things about this launch that not obvious but like they're pretty solid clues. [00:07:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And I, I've thought about this and, and often we draw comparisons between this and Nintendo. Both Japanese companies, both love doing product reveals, all that sort of stuff and there's a very, you know, the Switch 2 was leaked early by a third party accessory maker and, and so Nintendo came out with a teaser for the Switch 2. Very quick teaser and sorry, Fujifilm are now doing the same sort of stuff. They're providing, like these silhouettes of what's coming. The one, the most recent. We got the most recent one there with the little. [00:08:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll bring that up next. I'll talk about this one first, though, just quickly. And if you. If you're listening along, jump in the chat and tell us, what do you think they're going to release or what do you want them to release? What sort of specs do you want to see? Like, what are you waiting for? [00:08:37] Speaker B: What do you hope for? [00:08:38] Speaker A: What do you hope for? We know what Greg's hoping for. A little update for himself. [00:08:46] Speaker B: But quarter frame. [00:08:48] Speaker A: Quarter frame, you said this morning. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Yeah, X and 8th. [00:08:53] Speaker A: Currently I've got. I've got YouTube up in another screen with the live just sitting there waiting. And so there's 12, 19 people waiting to watch the live currently. I guess I'm one of them. And the live chat's going a bit crazy over there too. Maybe we'll peek an eye in on that. But. So this one, this first little leak. No, it's not a leak. What would you teaser this teaser? They. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:09:17] Speaker A: Basically it's teasing the summit and it basically says, the caption says, part of our heritage, essential to the story. And it shows a silhouette of the X100 and the X Pro 3. And then it says, there's another rangefinder that's essential to our story. Yeah, or there's another Rangefinder series that's just as essential as the exact wording when telling the story of our X series history. So that really. Basically they're saying it's a rangefinder that's a range finder that's been part of the line, part of the X Series line, and it's just as essential to their story. That does narrow it down a bit. [00:10:02] Speaker B: Unless a little bit, doesn't it? [00:10:04] Speaker A: Unless it's some cryptic thing in there that I'm not seeing. [00:10:10] Speaker B: No, I mean, they, they, you know, who knows, they could be referring to a film camera for all we know, but we doubt that very much because it's an X series. And I don't think they can call a film camera an X series necessarily. I'd say they'd call it something else. But yeah, it does. It does kind of narrow it down. So we. What we do know about Fujifilm is obviously we've got the X100 series, very, very popular. Just going from strength to strength. We're up to the mark 6 now. I have a prediction that when Fujifilm turns 100. In a decade, they will release the Fujifilm X100X. It will be the 10th edition to celebrate their 100th anniversary. That's my prediction. You heard it here first on the camera live, folks. [00:10:56] Speaker A: I'm going to write that down, seal. [00:10:59] Speaker B: It in an envelope and put it away. Do not open until. So, yeah, so we know about the X100 series. We've also got the X Pro series, which. The last One was X Pro 3, which. Which from memory. When did that come out? That came out just before the pandemic kicked in. I went to the launch in Sydney. They released the Fancy X Pro 3. You could also get a special version with a special coating on it that was even more scratch resistant than the Duratech that was on it. Very expensive. A lot of people were quite shocked. And this was pre Covid back then about the price of the X Pro 3. It was a premium product and then Covid hit and that just completely screwed Fujifilm's plans, I think. So there's the X series, the X Pro series, which is well and truly due an update because that last one was. It's been discontinued. It was discontinued at the end of 22. Came out the. Sort of just before COVID so in the end of 2019. And so it's been six years since we've had a new launch of an X Pro. And when this all sort of started bubbling up a couple of weeks ago, I remember messaging you and saying, I think it's an expo. I know and I'm sure it's an expo. [00:12:17] Speaker A: And I was like, I'm excited. Is. So is there no chance it's an X Pro? Do you reckon there's a chance? Because. And there was those rumors kicking around of two cameras which now seem it. What would be odd though is because they put that teaser out, that one we just saw that has an X Pro silhouette in it. So it's kind of like it would be odd for that to be in the teaser. And then they're saying there's another style, but. And not mention. Yeah, I don't know it. [00:12:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I think what happened is I saw this teaser. Can you bring up that one with the X Pro in it just for a sec, please? Justin? I saw this one and got a bit too frothy and I didn't actually read the text. [00:12:54] Speaker A: You didn't read the text? You were just like, new X Pro. [00:12:56] Speaker B: I thought that looks like an X Pro. And so I. Yeah, I missed the. So the third Rangefinder style, I guess you could say. In the X Series fleet is the XE series. There's been a bunch of XEs. There's actually already been five, even though we're only up to four. So the XE one came out very early on. It was like one of the first Fuji cameras that came out. It was more of a, it was kind of like a, an entry level version of the X Pro. The X. The XC1 came out mid 2012. The X E2 came out towards the end of 2013. They then did a refresh of the XE2 which was a little baffling at the time. And they did an XE2S in 2016 that didn't last very well or very long. And they quickly, the following year did the XE3 and then the XE4 which is the one that I bought came out just at the end of the first year of COVID at the end of 2020. And that's, that's my, that's my primary shooter now is the XE4. [00:14:04] Speaker A: Let me just, I'll pull this down for one second. Greg Carrick says he thinks it will be, it will answer the complaints people had of the XE4. So it will gain a back control wheel, Ibis and the latest sensor which would be the sensor out of the, the XT5 and other cameras. 40 megapixel. [00:14:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:27] Speaker A: Won't get weather resistance as it's already pricey. Okay, that's, that's an interesting. Yeah, because I guess that would. No weather resistance would help differentiate it between the XT5 and maybe the X Pro line. Does it have weather resistance? Yeah. So it's like would they maybe have to ditch that to try and keep some sort of hierarchy if they did? Yeah, I don't know. Comment from Spencer. Xox. Sony good. Sony good. Fuji can be better. [00:15:00] Speaker B: That's a great photo of that too. Spencer, let us know where you're, where you're joining us from. Oh look he's here. Nick Fletcher. [00:15:07] Speaker A: Fletcher as well. Just joined. Have they launched a pocket size IMAX camera with film simulation and f16 lenses? No. Ibis? Well, not yet, but it is live. It is currently live. I've got it up in another screen so don't worry, you're not going to miss out on anything. I'll let you know if anything exciting is happening. But they're just doing some drone shots of Shanghai. [00:15:30] Speaker B: We can't show you while we're on YouTube. [00:15:33] Speaker A: I can show you a little bit but not much. [00:15:36] Speaker B: I want to bring up a second teaser with the little windows show you the drone shots. [00:15:42] Speaker A: Look at them. Look at those beautiful drone shots. I think this. This was shot on the X half anyway. [00:15:49] Speaker B: It has wings. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Let me bring the other teaser up just while they're doing their intros. This was the next teaser that come out yesterday. Yeah, this was a lot more of a teaser. [00:16:07] Speaker B: Factory is elevating. [00:16:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So it's teased the little lens that had been rumored and it also teased this little film simulation dial that has a. So the other film simulation dials they've introduced have been on top of the camera, I think. Is that right? [00:16:26] Speaker B: Yeah, completely exposed, so you can see the whole dial. [00:16:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Whereas this one. The dials kind of looks like the dial's just inside the body there a little bit. And then there's a window to see which one you've selected. And that is very cool. [00:16:38] Speaker B: Yep. It looks clean based on that half a second teaser that I just watched. [00:16:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:48] Speaker B: So Fujifilm are now just showing off some people playing with all different. [00:16:54] Speaker A: A lot of GFX stuff. [00:16:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:56] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, A couple of. So good, good question here from editor Seb. Where is it for the photography challenge? What's Ibis lads in Body image stabilization? And basically it just means the sensor, they just put the sensor on a little bit of jelly on the back of the camera. So when you shake the camera, the sensor stays still. Basically, like flubber. Flubber, yeah. They put flubber. [00:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah, they put flubber in. It's green. [00:17:24] Speaker A: And if you release a camera in 2025 without Ibis, there's a solid chance the Internet will set you on fire. [00:17:32] Speaker B: Absolutely. Matt Crummins will at least. [00:17:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Who have we got here? Cameron Leaney. I just bought a new to me x Pro3 last month, so let's hope it's not already obsolete. That's a good point. [00:17:48] Speaker B: Good purchase. Well done. [00:17:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Look, I'm sure you'll love it regardless, but. Yeah, it would. It would suck for it to be an X Pro 4 to come out if you've just got it, but we'll see. I don't know, as much as we'd like it to be, there hasn't. I don't think there's been enough teasing of that style of camera on their socials tonight. [00:18:06] Speaker B: Yeah, but that film simulation dial is really cool because remember, a lot of early range finders, they, you know, it was like the whole. You know how you call Leica a watch company? You know, there were a lot of cameras rangefinder style, especially even 35 mil old film cameras that had little dials in the top for different things. Some would be set up, some would be larger dials with like clock face but that would be for exposure and all those sorts of things. So yeah, it's a bit of a throwback and it's also a throwback to film cameras because you'd have that little window for the. That would tell you what number film you. What number slide you're up to when you film. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Yes, yeah. [00:18:49] Speaker B: So. So yeah. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Let me just see what's going on here. [00:18:56] Speaker B: They just did a little preamble. They're in a big exhibition space. [00:19:00] Speaker A: Yuji and Stephen are just having a bit of a chat about the X Space showroom. Yeah, we're definitely not yet at the release. There's a comment here from. Where are we? Rashid Attar. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but. Hey Rashid, thanks for joining us. Have you heard, have you heard a rumor about XT6, XT60? I haven't, but I mean the XT5 is getting long in the tooth. When did that come out? [00:19:30] Speaker B: The XT5 came out just at the end of 22, so it's not quite, you know. And the thing with the X T5 is that I think it was the first one where they pushed that 40 megapixel sensor, the IBIS and the X processor 5 Trinity and, and they've kind of, they've kind of landed that fairly well and looking to use that in, you know, more cameras. You know, we saw the same processor in the X half even because why belt, why build a whole new sensor when you've already got them done? You know, the XT50 had the same. Didn't have the same sensor but it had the same processor. The GFX1 hundreds two had the same processor. [00:20:16] Speaker A: What sensor is in the X Pro 3? [00:20:20] Speaker B: The X Pro 3? I'm pretty sure it's the 26 megapixel. The same that's in my X E4. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Right. Do you reckon you could really see them rolling out? So the 40 megapixel sensor that was debuted in 2022 in the X T5, do you reckon they could roll that out into a new generation X Pro 4 without it being kind of outdated, do you think? Absolutely, yeah. And, and so then it would be like whatever camera we're going to see today, highly likely that it's going to have that generation sensor. Unless it was lower maybe. Unless it was lower megapixel for a lower line of camera. [00:21:02] Speaker B: But yeah, they Might go with a 26. It depends on what the camera's for, what market, you know, because they, they're sticking to their 40 megapixel, you know, they're 40 Mixel X APS, CMOS 5 sensor, X trans 5 sensor. And then there's the GFX 100. It's the X. The XM5 came out with the 26. So it's like they've got three sensor sizes now. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:21:31] Speaker B: You know, two in the X series, one in the GFX and that. Oh, they're talking about rangefinder style cameras on the, on the. [00:21:38] Speaker A: I'll pull it up for a second. [00:21:40] Speaker B: Just look at that wall of gear. Holy. [00:21:44] Speaker A: I think we can bring it up for, you know, seven seconds or something. [00:21:52] Speaker B: He's saying it. [00:21:58] Speaker A: Is he gonna. Oh, I don't. I'm just gonna pull it down for a second. I don't know. [00:22:05] Speaker B: No, it's another XE4. Oh, there's two of them. [00:22:08] Speaker A: All right, we'll pull it down for a second. They're teasing us. [00:22:13] Speaker B: They are. [00:22:14] Speaker A: They're teasing us. [00:22:15] Speaker B: Scoundrels. Yeah. So they're talking, they're talking a lot about the Xes. [00:22:25] Speaker A: They are. Do you speak Nick Fletcher? What is this? Can you decipher his comment? [00:22:30] Speaker B: He's. He's betting that a Zed Pro 4 next year will come out with a Brad. A Brabda new sensor, XT6 sensor. He's just talking gobbly goop. [00:22:40] Speaker A: A brab new sensor, XT6 sensor. Okay, so you reckon. Nick reckons, okay. That they'll be working on something because they'll have to. If an XT6 comes out, they would have to introduce something into the sensor, wouldn't they? Maybe not necessarily more megapixel, but some sort of update stacked or something. [00:22:57] Speaker B: Because all they'd focus on readout. Speed and focus performance. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, exactly. [00:23:04] Speaker B: So they do like an X processor 5 with A. [00:23:10] Speaker A: It's an XE5. Oh, that went black just as I brought it up. [00:23:14] Speaker B: Okay, there he goes. Some old dude with it who gave it to him. Why haven't I got one? You bastards. [00:23:19] Speaker A: You're. You're older than him. You should have it. [00:23:21] Speaker B: Shut up. I'm not. [00:23:23] Speaker A: I was kidding. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. [00:23:25] Speaker B: It's more like Greg Carrick's age. Okay, so. [00:23:28] Speaker A: All right, so it's an. We're keeping on top of it. It's an X E5. Don't you guys worry. They haven't mentioned any specs. They're Just doing some cool B roll of people walking around the streets with it. It's mostly their feet. [00:23:44] Speaker B: Always in Japan. Oh, what a bastard. I'm so angry right now. It should be me. In Japan with the XC5, there's a. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Lot of comments on their YouTube. People are like, is it possible to buy it or is it already oversold? That's a bit of a Fuji burn. Like, will they have stock? Won't they have stock? I guess it's a good, it's a good problem to have sell out of everything you release. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it is a good problem, isn't it? [00:24:15] Speaker A: Okay, that's interesting. [00:24:16] Speaker B: When we're looking at the, at the rumor site the other day, that little, that little square that had the. What looked like an LED flash was huge on that mock up. [00:24:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:26] Speaker B: But on this, it doesn't seem as big. It's, it's, it's pretty much. Yeah. Well, this one here is quite small actually, so maybe it is a flash. Well, this one doesn't have a flash. I don't know why they would need a flash on it. Seriously. It's got a hot shoe. [00:24:45] Speaker A: It's a way to embrace your life with joy, this camera, just so you know. [00:24:50] Speaker B: Much joy. [00:24:52] Speaker A: You get a lot of joy from the four. Imagine how much joy you'll get out of the five. [00:24:56] Speaker B: My throat level has just gone through the roof. [00:24:58] Speaker A: It's a 25% increase just in the number alone. [00:25:00] Speaker B: Oh, here we go. We might get some specs here. Oh, that's a good looking camera. [00:25:05] Speaker A: No specs yet. Good shot of it. [00:25:06] Speaker B: It's got a nice little bump. So this one here, this is the XE4. This came with an L. You could buy an L plate separately. That came with an expansion grip on it that Fujifilm made. And a thumb, a little thumb resting at the back. [00:25:23] Speaker A: We've got some specs coming out. The sensor is equipped with the 5th Generation X trans CMOS sensor which achieves a high image quality with high resolution. 40 megapixels. [00:25:31] Speaker B: 40 with the X processor. 5 with the latest autofocus system. So that's the same autofocus was on the XM5, which at the time of launch was the fastest. [00:25:44] Speaker A: Technology in addition to the improved image quality made possible. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Sorry folks, if anyone's actually listening, audio only. This is going to be excruciating for you. It's going to have Ibis. [00:25:55] Speaker A: It's got Ibis. It's all right. [00:25:56] Speaker B: It's got Ibis. Nick Fletcher, it's got Ibis. Matt Crummins. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Rejoice. Seven stops at the center, six stops at the periphery. I've never heard that sort of mentioned in that way before. [00:26:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's weird. [00:26:12] Speaker A: That's based on 2024 standards with the 35mm 1.4 lens on it. [00:26:19] Speaker B: It's a good looking camera. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Okay, listen to this. So you can get subtle blur when you're quickly raising the camera during daytime, but if you have IBIS, it can help that. Unless you've got the GFX100RF, in which case you don't need IBIS. I'm sorry, I can't. [00:26:35] Speaker B: It's the same. It's the same height as the XE4. It's a. It's three and a half mils wider than the XE5. So they've packed a bigger sensor and a 40 megapickle. Sorry, 40 megapixel sensor and IBIS into something that's the same size as this. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Would you say three. Only three mil wider. And that's the only increase? [00:26:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know about thickness. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Wow. [00:26:56] Speaker B: They didn't show that, but yeah. Girth, whichever way I put it. Yeah. [00:27:00] Speaker A: Okay. And. And that's all right. So we've got the most important stuff out of the way now. They're going to discuss the history of the XE series with the local photographer. So. [00:27:11] Speaker B: So they're calling it the fifth generation, even though it's a sixth camera. I don't think Fujifilm like talking about the X E2s because it was a bad camera. It lasted less than 12 months. It was an interim upgrade. I don't know why they did it. Maybe they couldn't get components or something. But even when they brought up the graphic before that showed the XC1, 2, 3 and 4, there was no mention of the US so it's. It's like the black sheep of the XE family. We don't talk about Brad. [00:27:42] Speaker A: We'll call him Brad. Wow. The comments. The comments on big live streams are just ghastly. I hope our chat never turns into this. I love our chat. You guys are amazing. You guys are also nice. I don't think anyone's ever said anything mean in the chat. There's 6,000 people watching the Fujifilm X summit at the moment. And the comments are just wild. [00:28:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just. [00:28:08] Speaker A: Just. [00:28:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. It's getting. Anyway, who the fuck is this guy? Yeah, I know. That's the one I just read. Oh my gosh. Okay. [00:28:22] Speaker B: So they're talking about some of the inspirations, like the X Pro series and things like that. [00:28:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, so it is the X, it's the XC5. It's what you've been dreaming about. It's Greg's dream camera. We don't. So we know it's got the 40 megapixel sensor, so we know exactly how that performs. It's going to take essentially the same photo as an X T5, am I correct? [00:28:45] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's now got the flagship Trinity. It's got the same sensor processor and IBIS as an X T5. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So. So performance wise, and autofocus as well. Latest autofocus. So does that mean potentially even better autofocus in the X? [00:29:00] Speaker B: Well, I think they rolled out firmware. I think it's all on par now. I might be wrong on that, but I don't have an X T5, so I haven't really paid attention to it. But yeah, it will be the best at the moment. [00:29:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:13] Speaker B: You know, because it'll have the latest tweaks to whatever I put in the XM5. [00:29:18] Speaker A: At the very least, it'll be on par with an XT5. So pricing wise, what's going to happen? Is it going to be cheaper than an X T5? [00:29:27] Speaker B: Is it going to be an XT5? Street. [00:29:30] Speaker A: Yeah, street price, 27 or 2800 in Australia, but I think the retail price is higher than that and I reckon this could end up being one of those weird things. Remember when the XT50 come out and it was basically dearer than buying an X T5 because it was at retail and everyone was selling XT5s a bit discounted because it's been out for a few years and the. The lower spec camera was actually dearer at launch than the. Than the higher spec camera. And it was a bit weird. [00:29:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a bit weird. I think it was a sign of the times that there was a big gap between the XT5 and the XT50 coming out and when they made the XT5, you know. Yeah, things weren't great, but we've since seen that there's, you know, there's rare earth materials are running out, silicon's harder to make for chips. There's a whole bunch of stuff, global conditions. Price just went up on the XT50 and. Yeah. And push it up above the XT5. It was. It was a really weird state of affairs. So when you're looking at product to product, it didn't make sense. But when you look at the. The environment that we're living in, it Makes sense. Of course it's going to go up. Everything's going up. Like everything costs so much more now than it feels comparatively than it ever has. And I think even Jesse Hisco said that a few weeks ago when we interviewed, said it's never been more expensive to be an Australian, to live in Australia. Like it's crazy how much everything cost now. [00:30:57] Speaker A: But. And cameras are going up everywhere and more, more in some places like the US than us because of things. [00:31:04] Speaker B: So we talked on Monday night how Fujifilm have just announced they're opening four reopening or retooling four factories in Japan to move production of their leading products for America only from China to back to the Japanese factory so they can avoid the tariffs that Trump has put on, on China. Yeah, it's, it's exciting. Look, it's. And putting out what was traditionally sort of a, maybe more, less of a entry level, more of an enthusiast level camera with pro level features is wonderful. And maybe that they will make an accelerated leap when they bring out an XT6. You know, maybe they will go to a 60 megapixel sensor like the Leica Q. It's not like that technology doesn't exist. It's just whether it's cost effective and whether consumers will want it. [00:31:56] Speaker A: The Q's full frame though. They surely they wouldn't go. [00:31:59] Speaker B: Oh, they won't go full frame, but they could push up 50 or 60. [00:32:02] Speaker A: Megapixels in a crop sensor. [00:32:05] Speaker B: Well, why wouldn't they? They got to 40. [00:32:07] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Technology continues to shrink and evolve and maybe, or maybe they'll introduce an AI chip that does automatic upscaling in camera. Who knows? Yeah, they're just showing some screenshots. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Yeah, hang on, I'll bring that up because you can actually see that the. [00:32:24] Speaker B: Film dial, dial that's tucked away really nicely. [00:32:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I like that. There's a lot of people throwing, throwing mud in the comments over there about pricing. Yeah. [00:32:37] Speaker B: What is one here? Expensive style, styled living. I would like a lighter alternative to the Leica Q343. [00:32:44] Speaker A: Gosh. It weighs, weighs 700 grams with an epic lens on it. Calm down. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I think this one's 400. [00:32:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Plus the lens though. Yeah, yeah. So I mean it is lighter, but anyone that's complaining about the weight of a Leica Q3 is like, I mean it's not, it's certainly not the heaviest camera on the market, but yeah, yeah, it, I. This looks, this looks like a beautiful thing. [00:33:08] Speaker B: The top, top plate has been Machined from a block of answer. What? Metal but from a single block. So that whole like. Like with. We saw with the. What was it? The Sigma BF and buy from Apple. That kind of unibody. [00:33:24] Speaker A: But it's just the top, top part obviously rather than doing the Sigmas the whole body of the camera. Which is why they've had to go so minimal on it. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Oh wow. It's beautiful design. [00:33:34] Speaker A: So what do we got? Isn't it drive delete on the back play? Yep. And it. So there's a. Is interesting. [00:33:42] Speaker B: There's no command dial. Sorry, Greg Carrick. [00:33:45] Speaker A: There's no directional fingering on the dials. That's funny. That's what he said. It said easier fingering. [00:33:51] Speaker B: Did he? [00:33:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I said. In the live stream, Tim Siama says looks nice. Slap on the new 18 or the 27 mil pancake. What? 27 mil pancake. And that's a six street or everyday carry setup. [00:34:07] Speaker B: The existing 27F 2.8 pancake. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Oh, what are they. What's the. There's a rumor about another lens. That's what I'm waiting to see. Oh, they're talking about the film sim dial. [00:34:18] Speaker B: I like that. That's really nice. [00:34:20] Speaker A: Does look nice. And it's on the other side. So it's like. Yeah, you don't change it with your main shooting hand. You only change it like it's not going to be that often. So you don't need to have it. [00:34:30] Speaker B: When you're shooting jpeg. Really? [00:34:33] Speaker A: Yeah. But I would use it. And having it on where your left hand sits I think is much better than somewhere on the right hand side of the camera. [00:34:43] Speaker B: So. [00:34:43] Speaker A: So I think that's great. What's the little knurled thing on the. On the. [00:34:46] Speaker B: I imagine that's the diopter on the side there. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Oh yes, it would be. [00:34:50] Speaker B: So in this one it's a dial. It's hard to show because it's all black, but there's a dial next to the EVF on the back plate. This one, they've put it on the side above the. Above the lug or below the lug. What is that? [00:35:02] Speaker A: Bluetooth button. Oops. Oh no. Bluetooth button on the bottom. Interesting. [00:35:09] Speaker B: Like a rewind button. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Reminiscent of the film cameras of yesteryear. [00:35:15] Speaker B: Seems like an odd choice. [00:35:17] Speaker A: The button is machined by metal. Interesting. [00:35:23] Speaker B: Put an L plate on it. That's going to be a pain in the ass. I'm sure you can access it from the menu. [00:35:26] Speaker A: But they're saying basically that they've pushed hard for a classic user interface. [00:35:33] Speaker B: The word classic comes up a lot in this commentary. [00:35:36] Speaker A: Xe5 has evolved the classic elements of the X series, pursuing the dignity of a camera that. And then it changed. We hope you feel the carrot and the details that went into every part of the XE5. I think Greg will. I think Greg will feel all the details. [00:35:53] Speaker B: He's the boss. The boss is back. [00:35:55] Speaker A: This is the boss. Okay. [00:35:56] Speaker B: Yeah. He's the CEO of Greg. [00:35:58] Speaker A: Carrick's thinking about Australian 2600 for the body. [00:36:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:03] Speaker A: It's got to be somewhere near that. But an XT5, 27, 2800. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:10] Speaker A: But if it had weather. [00:36:11] Speaker B: Although XT5 has weather sealing, dual SD UHS2s. Yeah. Be interesting to see what they do with video in this camera. Yeah. [00:36:19] Speaker A: I think that's where. [00:36:20] Speaker B: About whether they go flagship, because the sensor and the chip can do it. We know that. [00:36:25] Speaker A: Do you think if they really hampered the video capabilities but also brought the price down, that would be the right move? So say it was like 2300, 2400, but the video capabilities are way lower than like the XD5. I think since it's got the process. Did you just throw it all in there? [00:36:44] Speaker B: I think it's just there. It's just baked in already. Like, why would you. I think, you know, it was that whole thing of years ago when digital video started moving from camcorders into DSLRs at first and then mirrorless more obviously. More. There was hesitance at first for people to take on video and put video into cameras. And now I think there's going to be a hesitance. No one's going to want to put out a camera that doesn't have good video anymore. [00:37:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:16] Speaker B: You know, it would take some bravery, which, you know, Fujifilm has been brave in the. Well, the X. [00:37:20] Speaker A: Half the X has horrendous video. [00:37:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:26] Speaker A: But obviously that's different. Yeah. Every time I think about that camera, I think, why'd you call it the X series? Just call it. Make a new series. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:39] Speaker A: New series anyway. But yeah, okay, you're probably right. And since it's got all of the tools in there to be a pretty good video camera, it would be silly for them to cripple it just for the sake of differentiating their product lines. Yeah, yeah. [00:37:54] Speaker B: I mean, don't get me wrong, I would love them to put out a camera that didn't do video and just cut out some of that. What I consider to be bullshit that I don't care about. But that's just me, you know, I can't be that. I can't have that sort of mindset. [00:38:07] Speaker A: But also, I mean it would only make sense to do it if it actually brought the price down and, and allowed them. So maybe if they were like, look, if we remove video we don't have to worry about cooling in the body so we can make the body more compact or something like that. Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, do it. But if they're just leaving it out because, you know we want to make a camera that doesn't do video, then they're probably cutting out too much of their market I think for something that is purely just software. [00:38:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's just, it's there, it's. [00:38:39] Speaker A: Well, I mean, you know, it'd be cool if with software they could do it in a way where essentially if you put the camera into photo only mode, you never see anything about video until you go into like the root setting menu and enable all videos like something and it makes this really simple user interface that never has any kind of video options. That'd be cool. [00:39:01] Speaker B: Yeah, they've gone outdoors to shoot. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Yeah, they're trying out film simulations. So don't worry guys, you're not missing anything over on the live stream. You could have it up in a different window too if you want to watch it along. We would love to but I think Fujifilm would copyright strike us and, and we'd lose everything. [00:39:19] Speaker B: FS1 oh, so they're. Oh, they're letting you make your own custom film simulation recipes. So you can actually import recipes with. You could do it with a Fuji X app but you can also build your own in camera and save them as customs custom recipes. But this is allowing you to then put those customs as fs. So film simulations on the dial so you can create your own magic, your own look. [00:39:46] Speaker A: I was going to say because that's been a thing for a while, creating your own look. But this is the first time that you've been able to assign it to do a film sim dial. [00:39:56] Speaker B: I think so. I mean, yeah, you've always been able to do that sort of thing in the, in the quick menu and you can also, you know, and you can, you could. When you did the RAW to JPEG conversions in camera, you could build your own recipes up and save them. But yeah, this is going straight to the dial. Oh wow. And there's heaps. You can change a whole bunch of stuff, which is cool. [00:40:19] Speaker A: In the chat, Paul says at the Bright Festival of photography. I asked Jen, the Canon rep who's a legend, by the way, if there's any market for a pure stills camera that was optimized for that and no video. Simple answer. No market. Even better answer. Yes, definitely a market. Leica has found it. It's just not a market big enough for Canon to play in. So I see why she would give that answer. But there absolutely is a market. Leica have built it around how many of their. I mean, I know their SL series, but all of the M series, like, essentially are useless for video and they sell, but it's just a completely different type of market. [00:40:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And like I said, I think everyone's so heavily invested in the architecture of having video on the chip already, you know. [00:41:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:12] Speaker B: It's a whole new R D thing to build. It doesn't have it. [00:41:16] Speaker A: I'd be pretty hesitant to buy a camera that did no video. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah, they're just talking about classic display. You can concentrate in this display. The design of the numbers inspired by film crow. So you can change how your info is displayed. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Yep. I actually really like it. [00:41:39] Speaker B: Is that in the EVF or is that on the screen or is it both? [00:41:43] Speaker A: I think they're talking AVF but surround view mode, so. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Oh, wow. So it shows like a cropping frame. [00:41:54] Speaker A: Area will be shown. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Out of frame area will be shown. [00:41:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's. That's already on GFX and stuff, isn't it? In the. In the crop modes. [00:42:03] Speaker B: In the 100 RF. It is. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100 RF. And I think in the other ones. Yeah, it's. So there's just multiple ways you can either black out. [00:42:13] Speaker B: Hang on. It's got a digital teleconverter as well, so you can zoom 1.4 or 2 times when using a prime lens. [00:42:19] Speaker A: That's just cropping. They keep calling. [00:42:23] Speaker B: But it's 40 megapixel. It doesn't matter. [00:42:25] Speaker A: I know, but I just. It bugs me when all the cameras do it and it's like they're just crop modes, but it's not. Yeah. [00:42:31] Speaker B: You know what, Justin? Maybe it's just not for you. [00:42:33] Speaker A: So it just said that the details remain intact. Yeah, like cropping. It's just cropping. [00:42:42] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:42:43] Speaker A: It's just. That's one of those ones where they've figured out how to sell a feature that. That's been available in my. Canon does has a crop mode. This is called. But it's called crop mode. They should have called it digital teleconverter. They could have sold way more canons. What? [00:43:00] Speaker B: There's some words you mentioned. A new lens. What kind of lens is it? They're going back Ruya from feature in China. Hey, Ruya. Cool pants. [00:43:11] Speaker A: Cool pants. [00:43:12] Speaker B: It's like Kung Fu Fighter. I shouldn't say racist. Sorry. [00:43:16] Speaker A: That's terrible. It did. It did kind of look like a ninja outfit. [00:43:20] Speaker B: These cool spaces. Where are they finding these cool spaces? [00:43:23] Speaker A: I don't know. They look expensive. [00:43:26] Speaker B: Second, new product for today from this sophisticate. It looks like a tea house or something. [00:43:32] Speaker A: Long awaited lens. [00:43:35] Speaker B: It's the best match for the XC5. [00:43:37] Speaker A: I'll be the judge of that. [00:43:41] Speaker B: So last year they launched. They're talking about the three lenses they launched. There's now 44 XF lenses. [00:43:46] Speaker A: Mm. [00:43:50] Speaker B: That's not counting retired old versions. [00:43:53] Speaker A: Ah, yeah. [00:44:00] Speaker B: A new lens is one of the most popular focal lengths for the lineup. A 23 mil. The third current 23 mil. I think there's one that's retired. [00:44:10] Speaker A: So that's the 35 equivalent. [00:44:12] Speaker B: Yep, yep, yep. Great street lens. [00:44:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:19] Speaker B: So I have a 23 mil F2 compact prime. It's not a pancake, but I love it for street. It's. It's such a good field of view for me. It's. It's kind of my daily lens. [00:44:33] Speaker A: So what would you want to see in a new 23mil that would make you buy a new one? [00:44:38] Speaker B: I don't know. It's hard. It's already. Oh, it's a pancake. [00:44:42] Speaker A: It's tiny 2 point R. It's got. [00:44:44] Speaker B: An aperture ring, it's weather resistant. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So a 2.8. So if you put that on this camera, you've got something that's very similar to the X106, but the X106 F2. This would be F 2.8, but other than that, form wise, you're very close and no optical viewfinder. [00:45:06] Speaker B: So I have the Fujifilm XF 27mm F 2.8. That's their pancake lens. And so this will give you a little bit of a wider field of view. It's an interesting proposition because if you already have that, if you already have any of the other 23s, like it'd be nice to have the. Don't get me wrong, I'll probably get it. But you know, it's only. It's only a few mil off the 28. Sorry, the 27F 2.8, like it's really close. And that came out with the XE4. So they remade the 27 the original 27 didn't have. Sorry. The original 27 didn't have an aperture ring and it didn't have weather sealing. And so when they launched the XE4, they revamped the the Pancake 27 and they added an aperture ring like all Fuji lenses and they added weather sealing. [00:46:03] Speaker A: Says this one's weather sealing for example. Even in light rain, you can quickly take this lens out and capture photos with confidence. [00:46:11] Speaker B: We've managed to pack the cameras. [00:46:13] Speaker A: We don't know yet. No. Pack advanced features into the thin design. Yeah. Okay. The greatest feature of it is its weight and size. [00:46:25] Speaker B: It weighs 90, 90 grams, 23 millimeters deep, so. [00:46:32] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Same size as the 27. Is the same size as the 27, but it's a 23 mil. [00:46:41] Speaker B: Yep. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Okay. [00:46:47] Speaker B: It's got a much more complex lens assembly inside than the 27. [00:46:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:52] Speaker B: So yeah, this will be added to cart. [00:46:56] Speaker A: You need it. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Well, it's. Yeah. It's kind of my style, isn't it? It's small, it's lightweight, it's compact. [00:47:03] Speaker A: So the XE5 like the previous Xes have come in silver or black. Do you think this lens will come in silver and black as well? [00:47:15] Speaker B: Yeah, she's holding up a silver one now and every now and then they show a black one. [00:47:19] Speaker A: Okay, what will you get? [00:47:22] Speaker B: I'll go all black. I think editor Seb asked that question a little earlier on. I'll stick with all black like the XC4. I like. I prefer all black cameras. I don't need. I'm a street photographer. I don't want showy, shiny cameras. I just need something subtle and discreet. [00:47:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:37] Speaker B: Eight elements in six groups including two asphericals. They fit so much into it. [00:47:44] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a lot of. So the big thing is, is the XE5 going to be weather sealed? They haven't mentioned it but you know a weather sealed lens release would lead you to think it would be. But then you're saying that the previous Release with the XE4 was weather sealed lens and non weather sealed XE4 body. [00:48:05] Speaker B: Yeah. So yeah, yeah. So yeah. They did the same thing with the XE4 launch. Ah, that's a cool cross section. [00:48:13] Speaker A: I'll bring it up. [00:48:15] Speaker B: So they've cut it in half. Amazing. [00:48:18] Speaker A: I've seen that guy on YouTube that cut stuff in half with a water jets. Pretty cool. I bet you they got that guy to do it. [00:48:24] Speaker B: Yeah, probably. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Very cool. [00:48:30] Speaker B: You know when you think about like so this is it. This is my XE4 with a 50 mil, the 23 is only a little bit shorter. Like it probably comes to about there, but this one will be like there. [00:48:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's tiny and on a, on. [00:48:45] Speaker B: A compact camera that's that powerful, it's going to be a great, you know, a great walk around option, a great everyday carry option or regardless of which camera you put it on. It's going to be a great lens. It's going to be compact, relatively fast in terms of brightness for most people. It's going to be a great lens. You know, if you don't want to fuss around with the zoom and you just want a 35 mil full frame equivalent prime, it's going to be hard to pass up. But as for what it's going to cost, that's another thing. [00:49:20] Speaker A: Greg Carrick says. [00:49:21] Speaker B: What do you think guys? [00:49:22] Speaker A: Greg Carrick says, I'd prefer an ISO dial over the film sim dial. Yeah, I would as well. Although I actually do love when I'm traveling, I really love setting up my cameras to aperture priority, auto ISO and exposure compensation. And it bugs me that some cameras don't handle that very well because I want the exposure compensation to be where my thumb is and some cameras, you can't set it up like that. It's crazy. [00:49:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:53] Speaker A: Whereas it seems Fuji, all of Fujifilm's cameras can be set like that. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I would rather an ISO over an exposure comp because I shoot all manual controls apart from focus. [00:50:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I only, I only like to shoot not manual when I'm traveling just because it takes all thought out of, I can, I can forget about photography. Whereas if I'm going out to shoot I want to sort of engage with it and I'm happy to shoot manual but if I just want to romp around and then grab shots when I can. But I'm mostly not thinking about photography. I love the camera to be doing the work and. But I also like to be able to quickly control my exposure with one dial exposure compensation and I reckon this, this would obviously do that perfectly because it's got that dial just sitting right there near your thumb. [00:50:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Interestingly on this one, on the XC5 they put the little toggle under the shutter button like what they've got on the X Pro series and the X100 series. I don't know if you can see it, there's like a little lever. I don't know if they talked about it. [00:50:56] Speaker A: Let me see if they've done any releases yet on their socials. Like is there any pictures we can bring up that won't get us flagged. [00:51:05] Speaker B: No, nothing yet. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Nah, they mustn't be putting it up until the live stream's over. [00:51:12] Speaker B: Oh no, she was holding an XE4, the XC5. Yeah. It's got a little toggle. [00:51:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I see that. What do you. Is that. Do you reckon that's for the digital teleconverter? [00:51:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it might be. Or maybe you can just set it to something. [00:51:25] Speaker A: If you could customize it that'd be cool. [00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Fujis are really good at customization. These places where she's photographing, that's phenomenal. [00:51:37] Speaker A: Oh hang on. There's people complaining about the prices but really I don't know if anyone's advertised the prices because it would it not be. No one would have it on, you know, on B and H or anything like that. [00:51:52] Speaker B: I don't know. Let's have a quick squiz. [00:51:54] Speaker A: I'm doing some googling. No X half comes up when You Google the XC5. I'm not saying I'm not seeing any process here. [00:52:06] Speaker B: You film body only. Let's go with most Recent newest. No XT50XM5. Interestingly all those cameras on B and H are back ordered. Are they the XT5s? Most of the XT50s and the XM5s are all back ordered which is probably because they've put a hold on it while they moved to Japan. [00:52:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:40] Speaker B: Wow. There you go. It's. It's a bit of a beast. [00:52:45] Speaker A: Yeah, well it's what you've been dreaming. [00:52:47] Speaker B: About and it's, it's, it's. There's a lot more refinement to the design than there is to the four. I think the four is a beautiful camera but there's no protruding eye cup so it's all just flush with the body and just a simple circle of rubber I guess I imagine around where the eye would sit. I, I need to know what the screen is. That's the other deciding factor for me. If it's one of those flip out twisty screens and that's going to make the decision really hard. [00:53:16] Speaker A: There was a rumor site that had a photo, a leaked photo where the film, the, the screen was flipping up like yours does currently. So that was a good sign. But yeah, they haven't actually shown that at all in this video. That's interesting that they didn't show that at all when they did the, the release. I haven't even seen anyone. Yeah. Shooting with it tilted out. [00:53:38] Speaker B: No. And there was a shot earlier of one of these, one of these girls photographing two men sitting low and she still using the rear screen. She wasn't using the flip screen at all. [00:53:51] Speaker A: So tilted. [00:53:53] Speaker B: Maybe it's fixed. Nah, they wouldn't do that would they in this day and age are fixed. [00:54:00] Speaker A: Well, Greg Carrick's asking where the film winder is so you know Tim Siama says apparently the leak price is 1699 USD for body only interested to see if that pans out right. So you haven't seen that on. On B and H or something. That's just this from the rumors because yeah that would end up putting it I think very similar to the price it over the price of the X100. I'm not sure. [00:54:26] Speaker B: So Fujifilm are just on the video they're showing off their 23 millimeter range. There's a 1.4, there's a 2.8 which is this new one, the pancake. And then there's the original 23 F2 compact prime which is what I've got. I love that lens. But yeah, I mean for daytime shooting which is what I do mostly for streets at 2.8. I mean I mostly shoot at F8. Anyway. [00:54:52] Speaker A: I was going to say your style is. Is not. Yeah, usually. Yeah there's a lot in focus so it's not really. [00:54:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't usually go wide open, not with that lens. [00:55:00] Speaker A: And then you gain the. The lightweight compact. [00:55:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah that's a good looking lens. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Get your checkbook ready. Yeah, I don't know now we need to find it. [00:55:15] Speaker B: When does it come out? [00:55:17] Speaker A: Yeah, well that's the other thing. When's the stock coming out? Is it where I want to know. So the price, is it weather sealed? What else. What does that little button do? That's near the shutter button on the screen. [00:55:34] Speaker B: What is the screen? Because no one's. No one's using it. [00:55:37] Speaker A: Nope, not. [00:55:39] Speaker B: Not as a tilt or touch screen. So far we've only seen people looking at it flush against the back of the camera. [00:55:45] Speaker A: I just want to read out some of the comments that are coming up. Andy in Taiwan says this is the comments in the live chat of Fujifilm's thing. Not our live chat, our live chat's awesome. Andy in Taiwan says Fujifilm really lacks creativity. All of their cameras models have almost identical specs with only minor additions or changes just like Apple and they still sell them at ridiculously high prices. Well Andy, you start a camera company and you make some cameras because it's probably not that easy, isn't that crazy. Like they lack creativity. Hey, they just released one of the most creative cameras that's been brought out in years. Other than that. The X half. Yeah, I guess, yeah. It's actually pretty creative to wedge a giant sensor into the GFX100RF as well. So, yeah, like, oh, here are the prices and release date. But anyway, Andy, Andy's posted that chat 10 times. [00:56:45] Speaker B: So this is in euros. How do you work that out? 1549 Euros including tax. 17.99 with the lens, so. Or 4.99 for the lens on its own. [00:56:56] Speaker A: Euro to AUD would bring it to 2,750 Australian dollars. But their VAT is usually about 20% and our GST is 10%. So maybe that would bring it to. Yeah, 2726, 2699 in Australia maybe. [00:57:14] Speaker B: What's, what's 1800 Euros in Australian dollars, mate? [00:57:20] Speaker A: One moment, sir. 3200 Australian dollary dues. [00:57:29] Speaker B: So that's for the camera with the lens? [00:57:35] Speaker A: Yes. [00:57:36] Speaker B: Yep. Oh, they're all waving goodbye. Bye. I love you. I mean, bye. [00:57:46] Speaker A: You know what I just realized? I don't think their presentation was live. I think that was pre recorded. [00:57:52] Speaker B: Well, given that it went from day to night. Yeah, I think it was. [00:57:54] Speaker A: And there was drone shots and now it's going through the, the credits of all the people that were involved in filming this and there's like 50 or 60 people in the credits. That's a lot of work to do a production like that. That's crazy. [00:58:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's good. [00:58:13] Speaker A: They saved the price for the end and then just put it in euros even though it was released in Shanghai. I don't know. [00:58:22] Speaker B: What channel is that on? That's just on their global channel too. [00:58:26] Speaker A: Fujifilm X series. [00:58:27] Speaker B: Yeah, interesting. [00:58:31] Speaker A: All right, so we had a watch party and we haven't learned a lot. I mean, we learned what camera it was, but we didn't learn everything. [00:58:37] Speaker B: So you know all that amazing work that I do for lucky straps and the camera life, I think it's time to discuss a pay rise. I'm gonna need it. Oh. [00:58:48] Speaker A: I, I was like, well, hang on. What for? [00:58:51] Speaker B: Yeah, why are we doing this live on television? [00:58:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you need, so you need the whole kit. You want the camera and the lens. That's your. [00:58:59] Speaker B: Ideally, yeah. [00:59:00] Speaker A: Assuming it, it is what it is when it gets tested, if that conversion. [00:59:04] Speaker B: Is the same because prices are often different. Like it's not a straight conversion currency to currency necessarily, because each region has different taxes and all that sort of stuff. [00:59:17] Speaker A: The Comments. Even though it stopped somehow, the comments are still flowing through. And there's so Ina. Ina. [00:59:24] Speaker B: I just saw that too. Yep. [00:59:25] Speaker A: I could. I could buy like four cameras for that price, bro. [00:59:29] Speaker B: It's like good. Fuck you, dude. [00:59:30] Speaker A: What cameras? What cameras? Not the cameras I buy. [00:59:34] Speaker B: You can't even. You can only just buy 2x half is x halves. And that's like half the cameras. That's only one camera. [00:59:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. That was okay. That was cool. [00:59:45] Speaker B: And then someone a little bit later on says, ina, then do so. [00:59:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Go buy those cameras. Why are you watching this live? [00:59:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:55] Speaker A: Oh dear. That's funny. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Someone, Daniel Mulatto said, this is the beginning of the end. [01:00:03] Speaker A: Someone else, what do you reckon they're upset about the price or the specs? Not direction. [01:00:09] Speaker B: People are just pricks. [01:00:11] Speaker A: I mean, it's got Ibis. What else could they want? [01:00:16] Speaker B: This is the end of something. This is the beginning of the end. Daniel said. I want to ask Daniel. What? What do you mean? Daniel? [01:00:24] Speaker A: I hope the CEO of Fujifilm comes out and just makes like a, you know, like a talking face iPhone video that you released on the Internet that just says, we put no ibis in the GFX100RF to keep the price down. Everyone yelled at us. We put ibis in the XC5 but the price had to go up. Everyone yells at us, we can't do anything. We can't win. [01:00:49] Speaker B: Tamer Chowder Chowder has said, I don't know what Fujifilm is doing. This is such a silly camera. They should be focusing on the. On the Dew XT6 or the long awaited X Pro 4. Should they? [01:01:04] Speaker A: I don't know. I feel like this is why this one was due for release before. Those ones are maybe the X Pro 4, but actually. Okay, I'm going to flip it around. If this was my company and I actually knew more about cameras, I would Release the X Pro 4 before the XZ5. You always release. You always release the flagship and I would consider the X Pro 4 the flagship of the Rangefinder style cameras in the X series. And then you release the. So you release the flagship and then 6 to 12 months later you release the not flagship that has almost the same specs but is far cheaper and more, more affordable for other. For the people that couldn't buy the X Pro 4. And they're like, oh, well, mate, my dreams have been answered. I couldn't afford the X Pro 4, but I can afford an XC5. And then that's how you do it. It's odd that they would go around the other way. [01:01:56] Speaker B: Well we don't. There's so many factors. I mean they've got to tool up a factory. They've got to have a factory that can accommodate it. [01:02:03] Speaker A: You know they might be wanting something special with the X Pro that's taken longer than they thought when it comes to. They do that with the bodies and stuff. I'd honestly I'm probably getting trouble for this. I'd love to see the X Pro be close to $5,000 but be amazing. [01:02:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Like a light. [01:02:21] Speaker A: So, so this XE5 really fits that, that more affordable category which is still not that affordable. Like it's still getting up there in a camera price but you know it's. The XE is 5 is the camera for people that want a high performing camera but aren't too fussed about the, the blinginess of whatever they could make the X Pro for. That's how I would try and do it. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Yeah. An X Pro 4 is Fujifilm's kind of answer to like a, to Leica. It's, it's a statement piece. You know they're built like, you know and I often say this about how you know you could hammer in nails with this camera. You couldn't with a Canon but you can with Fujifilms. But putting that aside, please the, the X Pros like the X Pro 3 and all the X Pro 2 one even like you could, you could, you know you could build a house with them. Like they were just, they're just rock solid and people are still rocking them. You know, they just keep going. You know. The X Pro is a, it is a professional grade rangefinder camera from Fujifilm. The XE is an enthusiast level version. It doesn't have you, it doesn't have dual card slots. It doesn't have weather ceiling. It doesn't have an optical hybrid evf. That would be, that's going to be expensive for them to manufacture in the next model of the X Pro. You know it's a step back but it's, you know it's still the end of the day. It's still a 40 megapixel sensor with IBIS. [01:03:52] Speaker A: You know and Glenn Creative Photo Workshop says this will be 3,000 AUD. So the profile will have to be four and a half to $5,000. [01:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, I think it's gonna be at least four. [01:04:04] Speaker A: So it's probably just. Even if they don't essentially have to, they don't have to hike the price much. It's just that with inflation and how camera gear has all gotten more expensive over the last six or seven years since the last X Pros come out. It's gonna be four and a half even if they don't change anything. [01:04:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, the X Pro, sorry, the XH2. What is that? The XH2 is body only. That's 2000American. What's that? Roughly. [01:04:38] Speaker A: 3000 XH2s or the XH2, sorry, the XH2s. [01:04:42] Speaker B: The XH2 is 2000. The XH2s is two and a half US. [01:04:46] Speaker A: Yeah. So that puts that at. Well, I'll just check the Australian price. XH2S3347 currently, which is a bargain. [01:04:56] Speaker B: Yeah, but it was like 38 when it came out. [01:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Retails 4200. [01:05:01] Speaker B: Oh, there you go. Yeah. So that's already pushing that boundary. And, and that's running a 26 megapixel, primarily because it's video centric. It's a hybrid camera, but it's, it's, it's kitted out for video. The sensor is a video sensor. It's not a, it's not a billboard photographing sensor. [01:05:20] Speaker A: Glenn said 3300 and then City is $47 off. You're close. Very close. Roger Highland says, I think the GFX100RF is the flagship rangefinder style. You're probably right. Yes. I was talking X series. I guess GFX is X series. I think of X series, they put them separate. Yeah. I think of X series as crops. And yeah, GFX sort of jumps that. But yeah, it, that, it is interesting because that GFX100RF is kind of the thing that ties those two lines together because it's like, it's like the step up from the X100, but it's also part of the GFX line. It's, it's, it's the link camera between the GFX line and the X series, in my opinion. I know so much about Fujifilm, I shoot Canon. I don't even care. [01:06:08] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know why that is. It wouldn't be anything to do with me chewing your ears off for three hours while we're in the van on the way to Bright. [01:06:15] Speaker A: You know how many times I've been close to buying a Fujifilm? And well, I've owned multiple ones of X1 hundreds, but I've been that close to buying. I seriously, obviously looked into the XHS seriously as a sports camera to try and lighten the load for mountain biking. But then Canon kind of did that anyway with their, their RF lenses and stuff. But yeah, I've checked them that many times. I've looked at gfxs. I even went into the Fujifilm house of photography and fondled them. [01:06:46] Speaker B: You didn't tell me about that. How was that? [01:06:48] Speaker A: I didn't want to. I felt guilty. I didn't want to tell you. [01:06:51] Speaker B: It felt dirty. I felt I cheated on Greg. [01:06:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So I went in there and I picked it up and I put the. Is it the 50 mil, the 3.5, like the really compact GFX. And I put that on it and I thought this would be nice to rock around with. And they had the guy, even he had white gloves on to get the cameras and lenses out. Put white gloves on like. Yeah, like, like a style Japanese taxi drivers. Yeah, exactly. It's exactly what it was like. Yeah, I love it. [01:07:23] Speaker B: They all wear suits and they all wear white gloves. [01:07:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:28] Speaker B: Nothing on B H yet, but yeah, I think, I think that's big. I think it's good. And like we always say. [01:07:37] Speaker A: You think it's more cameras in what you want. [01:07:40] Speaker B: Well, yeah, obviously, but I think for consumers it's good. [01:07:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:44] Speaker B: You know, if you, if you want something a little more entry level gets an. Get an XM5. You know, what are they, like 1500 bucks without a, without a lens it's pretty affordable. Next step up, you grab an X E5 for about 2700 for body only. And then you either grab yourself an X Pro or wait for the X Pro 5. [01:08:06] Speaker A: Or if you just want a great Fujifilm to shoot that, you really can't go past that XT5 because it seems like it's got all the tech that these new cameras have in it and it's getting sold at a discounted price and it's got dual card slots and weather sealing. So it's, it's going to be a more professional option. So if you want the, if you want the tactile dials and feel but can handle the slightly bigger body and non rangefinder style having the viewfinder in the middle, the X35 really still is probably the camera to buy. [01:08:40] Speaker B: I'd say so. Yeah. And it's going to be the most. Oh, the other thing we didn't find out about was the battery because the XT5 uses a bigger battery because it's powering a much more hungrier processor and ibis that trinity of performance. So it'd be interesting to see what battery they put into this XE5 to manage that performance. The other interesting thing to look out for is that in the past when they've released XE cameras, like when they've released the X100 series, often they do accessories that Fujifilm put out themselves. Like These are not third party, these are branded Fujifilm accessories. So with X1 hundreds, in the past they've done half leather cases, full leather cases. When I got my XE4, I got the Fujifilm made thumb grip that slides into the hot shoe, the L bracket with the extended grip. And these were all made by Fujifilm, or at least they have their name on it. And I wonder with this camera whether they're going to accessorize it like they have in the past. Because I do like me a bit of a bit of bling on my camera. I think I even wrote an article for Lucky Straps about bling up your camera. [01:09:54] Speaker A: I think that's right. [01:09:56] Speaker B: You know, shutter buttons and hot shoe covers and little, little things to make it your own. Be a very expensive week for Greggy. [01:10:04] Speaker A: Oh yeah. After you switch to It's All Happening, Greg Carrick says it's a nice camera, but for me I'll stick with the XE4 and dollars in the bank. All right, Greg. What? Greg Carrick, this is that I'm talking to. What? What would it have taken? What would they have had to cram into the XC5 to make you want to upgrade? Or was it never really on the cards for you? Where you thinking I'm cool with my XE4 and I'm not upgrading? What tech, what tech would have got you to make the jump? Yeah, double Ibis. [01:10:36] Speaker B: And the same goes for anyone that's watching or listening along at home. Just a reminder that this is the Camera Life podcast, proudly brought to you by Lucky Straps, maker of fine leather camera straps. From Bendigo, Victoria, head to Luckystraps.com get yourself a discount. 15 off using code Greg at checkout. Greg. But we also run two regular shows. We run a Thursday morning show, seven, sorry, 9am Australian Eastern Standard Time. Every Thursday we interview a photographer. And then Every Monday evening, 7.30pm Australian Eastern Standard Time, the random photography show where a bit like this, we just talk about whatever's happening. We talk about news and rumors, we do a bit of image review. We might look at some, you know, funky stuff that's happening. But yeah, if you're in the chat and you're new to the show, let say hi, let us know where you're watching us from. Make sure you like and subscribe helps us out a lot. We're a small channel. We're growing. [01:11:33] Speaker A: Rasheed, where are you from? Rashid says, I Hope the X T5 has new firmware with features like the XRF. Interesting. What, what features do you like? Is it the film camera mode? Yeah, the film camera mode where you can't see your images and you have to shoot until you get it done and then you. Do you want it to use that new X half app to be able to get your images off? Is that the sort of stuff like what is it about the X half shooting experience that you think you would like in the new X T5? Because it is something we've talked about is you said. Yes. Film camera mode we've talked about. You know, Fujifilm are going to release that X half and try and get people into photography with that style. They're going to have to start to bring some of the things that people like about the XRF into their Pro or Pro Sumo cameras. Otherwise people are going to want to upgrade, but they won't because it doesn't have the stuff the XRF has, if that's what they like. So it's. It'll be interesting to see if they build that ecosystem out of the X half. Do they start putting, you know, the film camera mode into all their cameras as firmware? [01:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:39] Speaker A: And it works with that X Half app as well or separately. Or maybe they update the X. Whatever the X Series app is. I don't know. [01:12:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:47] Speaker A: What it's called. [01:12:47] Speaker B: I'm really surprised with the X half given how much they focused on the film aspect of it, that they didn't put the film dial on top of it instead of the exposure compensation dial. So it's got one dial. It's that big round exposure compensation dial. I'm really surprised I didn't make that a film SIM dial. Most photographers that are using that camera won't use an exposure comp dial. [01:13:10] Speaker A: Well, they should be though, because that's the first step in like taking control of your photography. If you don't, because you can't shoot manual. That camera, like you said, it's like menus after menus to try and control your manual settings. So the first thing I at least like, I use it when I shoot with my phone. I almost always adjust the fits for anything important. I adjust the exposure because the auto exposure rarely gets what I'm looking for. So having exposure compensation available, that's all I've got. [01:13:38] Speaker B: You're in such an old school nerd. [01:13:43] Speaker A: Nerd. Hey, Lucinda, she says hello. Yeah, so I guess that's kind of it really. Yeah, I think, certainly, certainly. Join us on Monday. I'm sure we'll chat about this camera in more detail on Monday. I'm sure at some point Greg's going to try and get his hands on one. Whether he has to purchase one or whether he can try and get his little Fujifilm friends to get him one to play with first. [01:14:10] Speaker B: I've made some inquiries. I've put in a request, literally. It's currently sitting with Fujifilm Australia so we'll wait and see if they're going to send one my way. Typically they do. For those of you that are new to the channel or don't know this, I, I write photography reviews for ShotKit.com if you head to the ShotKit.com reviews cameras, Fujifilm, almost every article in there is mine. It's mine, I tell you. And the same goes for all the lenses in there. Pretty much all of those are mine too. They typically send me out the newest camera. Usually I would have had it by now. In the past I've had pre release. I've had them before they go live with the Summit but this time sadly not. Which is, you know, of all the cameras to not get early, the one I'm most excited about. What is that? That's terrible. [01:15:06] Speaker A: Funny. It is like. It's kind of like they're messing with you. They're like, it's not Charlie Blevins, it's Charlie. [01:15:14] Speaker B: Don't say I'm under Greg. It'll drive him nuts. [01:15:16] Speaker A: That's funny. [01:15:18] Speaker B: But yeah, so stay tuned. So I, I hope to get. There's a very good chance I'll get one soon. I'll write up, I'll take it out, test it, write up a review. Oh, Petapixel got some stuff up. [01:15:31] Speaker A: Yeah, stuff's starting to filter out onto the Internet now so you guys can go and hunt around and see what you can find on there. But there's more pictures. This is on Petapixel so you can get a bit more detail of the top layout. Look, Greg, it tilts. [01:15:47] Speaker B: Oh, Greg Carrick. Rejoice Shane, everybody. I know you're watching at some stage. [01:15:53] Speaker A: The tilty screen is a tilty. [01:15:55] Speaker B: It is, it's a tilty screen. I wonder if it. That's all I need. I just need to flip up. I don't care. [01:16:02] Speaker A: So I was, I was laying in the dirt today trying to take, trying to take a photo. [01:16:09] Speaker B: Life. Yeah. Rural life. [01:16:11] Speaker A: That's. Hey, it's what we do out here in the sticks. So I was, I was laying in the dirt trying to get a pan shot of the drivetrain on a bicycle, a mountain bike. And if you. The drivetrain is the bit that the. The cogs and there's the chain goes around the cog and then it goes down to the back cogs and the derailleur that changes the gears and all that stuff. There's a nice new one of them coming out. I was shooting a review for it and Will, the legend that I work with was like, do you reckon we could get a panning shot of just the drivetrain? And it was harder than you would think because there's a lot of movement and you have to be very, very close. So you gotta pan quick but at the exact right speed. Anyway, I was trying to do it low to the ground and the stupid Canon screen is like the ear that, you know, it flips out and to tilt and try. Honestly, that was it. Trying to line it up. I ended up getting out and just guessing my framing because trying to line it up when it's not directly behind your lens but you're trying to pan to frame a very fast moving little drivetrain. It was actually really difficult and I would have killed to have just a regular tilty screen on the back to be able to do that shot today. It was a pain. [01:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Let's go to a couple of. Oh, someone's just pre ordered it. [01:17:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, let's go with that. Ram Mac. Ram Mac. [01:17:45] Speaker B: Hey Ram. [01:17:46] Speaker A: I just ordered. Yeah. Where are you from? Tell us. Everyone tell us. Where are you from? Just pre ordered mine and I'm not happy. Hang on. And you're not happy about it. [01:17:55] Speaker B: I think he's being sarcastic. [01:17:57] Speaker A: Worst case scenario, I'll keep the lens for my XC2 and sell the body. Right? [01:18:01] Speaker B: Yep. [01:18:02] Speaker A: So what, what aren't you happy? What were you hoping for? And why did you pre order it if you're not not stoked? [01:18:06] Speaker B: I think he was being sarcastic. [01:18:08] Speaker A: Okay, mate. Well, yeah. [01:18:10] Speaker B: What's from Chicago? [01:18:11] Speaker A: Oh, that's cool. Must be early there, right? Chicago. Is it like 5:00am or something? [01:18:18] Speaker B: Well, you know, if you're a Fuji fan person, then you're going to be watching that Shanghai thing and then Rashid. Hey again, Rashid. And Rashid's from Indonesia. [01:18:27] Speaker A: Oh, very cool. [01:18:28] Speaker B: Thanks for jumping on. [01:18:29] Speaker A: Thanks for jumping on. [01:18:32] Speaker B: So I think in. In answer to Rashid's question, was it he asked about why not an articulated screen? [01:18:38] Speaker A: Oh yeah, hang on. We'll do that first I think Justin. Yeah, yeah. Are you talking about that, do you think artic. He means articulated like I'm talking about. [01:18:50] Speaker B: The foot out rotate. [01:18:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean it's not a good photo shooting experience. It's useful for. Useful for sort of being able to turn your camera around and do vlogs and stuff like that. But I'm pretty sure because your, your XE4 like this screen should flip all the way around, right Greg? Like your, your current one. [01:19:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So this one here, it, it, this is the XC4. It actually flips up. So if you want to log in or selfie, it's kind of the, it cuts off. Oh no, no. You can just see it comes off about 2 mil of the bottom of the screen but it also flips down so you can, you know, shoot in a crowd if you're something and you've got to hold the camera above your head. But I often being a street tog, I often shoot from the hip. So I have it. Yeah, mostly just out at a night between a 90 and a 45 degree angle. And the XM5, I love the XM5 but it had that flip out articulating screen because it's a very video centric camera. This is more of a photographer's camera. Nowhere in that presentation did they talk about video. [01:19:52] Speaker A: They did, but not much. Very briefly they had a videographer on there and then he said but we want to talk to you about. You've been shooting stills with this camera. So yeah, it was like for a second. [01:20:05] Speaker B: It's going to be a photographer's, photographer's camera. [01:20:09] Speaker A: Yeah. So my Q3's got like just a tilty screen on the back and it doesn't even go to, to like 90. It's you know, still got a bit of an angle but, but I, I love that, I love the way that works. I love the way the Nikons used to work. Nikons were annoying because you couldn't turn them around to see yourself. Video was actually a bit of a pain but I think they fixed that with the newer ones. Sony's got the best Flippy Flippy and one of the new Lumix does. [01:20:39] Speaker B: But yeah, X T5 1 is good because it flips up, it flips down and then it's got a third axis so you can do portrait photography in. The screen will flip up. [01:20:48] Speaker A: Ah, yep. [01:20:49] Speaker B: Along the, you know, for vertical. You love vertical. [01:20:53] Speaker A: I hate vertical. Ram, Mac or Ramac, not sure. Says I'm excited for the new camera but not happy about the price. What Was the price over there with the. So what was the price in the US with the lens? Tell us that. And he says yep, 5am over here. That's awesome. [01:21:09] Speaker B: Love your dedication. [01:21:11] Speaker A: Editor Seb says time is no obstacle for Fuji fans. And yeah, it's a photo centric camera, not video. And I think it's the right. It's definitely the right viewfinder for that camera, that's for sure. So for hybrid use is XS series, right? [01:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah. So for entry slash. Yeah, entry level is the XS20. That's very video centric. And you can also attach Fujifilm's cooling fan to that for prolonged or extended video recording. And high, high everything but the XH series. XH2, XHS, XHS2. They're more the kind of enthusiasts moving into pro grade hybrid bodies. [01:21:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Finn in the comments. Good to see you Finn. Thanks for joining us. Where are you from? We're trying to find out where everyone's from. It's fun game. [01:22:04] Speaker B: Oh, there we go. Finn answered that too. [01:22:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Says yes. XS10 by far the best option in the price range for hybrid. Oh, sorry. Says SS 2020. [01:22:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:22:15] Speaker A: And Ramac says the price in the US for the kit was $2093.65 after state sales tax, which is pretty good. So what does that. Let's. What does that work out to? [01:22:29] Speaker B: 4,200 Australian. [01:22:33] Speaker A: No, that could be right. [01:22:35] Speaker B: I'm joking. [01:22:36] Speaker A: Oh, 3,221 Australian dollary dues. [01:22:41] Speaker B: Oh, it's about the same. Yeah, that's what we're. Okay. Probably. Oh well, we don't know yet, do we? [01:22:47] Speaker A: No, I can't. I can't see it. Hang on, I'll do another Google. No, that, that was about camera brand. That was about what we come up with based off the euro. [01:22:58] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:22:59] Speaker A: Yeah. $3,293 based off the Euro conversion. [01:23:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Creative Photo WS. Oh, no. Way to go. Yeah. 2780. That's for the body only, I think. [01:23:14] Speaker A: Is it? And then he said miles off. Maybe it was just a guess. Finn says greetings from the Netherlands. Hey, that's cool. Thank you. I think you're our first Netherlands listener. [01:23:27] Speaker B: Yeah, you're as far away as you can get. [01:23:30] Speaker A: Join us again subscribers if you like. [01:23:35] Speaker B: Those that like to watch Petapixel with Jordan and what's his name? Chris. Chris Nickels. Jordan Drake. They've just dropped their XC5 review. [01:23:46] Speaker A: Did you call him Christicles? That's a fun name. Let's call him that. From now on. [01:23:50] Speaker B: Christicles. Christicles and Jordan have just dropped their XE5 review. [01:23:55] Speaker A: Okay. [01:23:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:58] Speaker A: Because this, I think this article, I'm looking at the Petapixel like, like press release kind of one. And that's usually followed by their Chris and Jordan's actual review. Yeah, yep, yep. Oh, yeah. On that note, the control lever is akin to the one found on the GFX100RF and provides short and long pull customization both left and right, giving photographers four actions through that one little lever. This lever? Yes. [01:24:26] Speaker B: Plus it's a button. [01:24:27] Speaker A: And it's a button. [01:24:29] Speaker B: Well, it is on. I think it was on the X1 hundreds and the G and the pros. Maybe it's not. [01:24:37] Speaker A: Interesting. [01:24:38] Speaker B: Yeah, that's cool. So short and long pull. [01:24:41] Speaker A: Let's see what else we're talking about. All right, so the sensor is nothing fancy. Same one we've seen in other cameras. AI based subject detection. Yep, sounds good. [01:24:51] Speaker B: I really like this top plate design. And at the back, if you just go back up a bit for me, mate, the way that the. There's just that fine line. No, no, no, go back down the back. [01:25:01] Speaker A: Go down to the silver one. [01:25:03] Speaker B: Stop. [01:25:04] Speaker A: I was, I was there and you said go back up this, this. [01:25:07] Speaker B: I love how minimal this is. [01:25:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:25:11] Speaker B: I love the way that they've cut the groove out of the top plate so you've got access to your, the new film dials there on the left. [01:25:20] Speaker A: I like how minimal it is, but I also like. So I would probably end up wanting more buttons, but. Because I love buttons. But this little button here, you know, a cue button. I assume that's a quick menu type deal. [01:25:35] Speaker B: Yep, yep, yep. [01:25:37] Speaker A: That's great. Is this a Focus Nubbin? [01:25:41] Speaker B: Yeah, Menus, Focus. All of it. [01:25:43] Speaker A: All of it. Yeah. I wish that was higher, but otherwise, yeah, this is good. [01:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah. My only concern is ergonomics. [01:25:51] Speaker A: So it's very flat. [01:25:53] Speaker B: There's no thumb bump. There is a small grip at the front which the four didn't have. And like I said earlier, had to get that, that L plate, the Fuji L plate that had the little grip at the front of it. It's fine if you're going to use that, that new pancake or the 27 pancake, but if you go and drop a, a bigger lens on there, like one of their red badge, you know, prograde zooms or something, you're going to need a better grip. And yes, there's a lot of third party options out there and that's fine. And don't forget to always put a good quality leather lucky strap camera strap on your new camera. But like I said, it will be interesting to see if they put out a grip as an accessory and. Or a thumb. A thumb rest at the back. [01:26:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Rashid wants to ask is, is this live stream only ask about Fujifilm. Right. Well, I mean this one was about Fujifilm, but normally we talk about all sorts of stuff. So we, we, as Greg said before, we do interviews with photographers every Thursday. Those photographers can be from all walks of life. We've had surf photographers, night sky photographers, gallery owners, landscape photographers that are gallery owners, motorsport photographers, everything. Lucinda Goodwin was in the chat before. Live music photographer. We've had wedding photographers, We've had everybody. Plus there's a group of us that come on regularly on Monday nights. We shoot all types of cameras from Canon, Leica, Nikon. Greg shoots Fuji and. Yeah, so. And Greg Carrick who's been in the chat, he jumps onto. So this is a, you know, no holds, Bart. Ask any questions you want. Yeah, we talk about everything and that's where our Monday night shows are usually they're centered around whatever you guys want to talk about. We talk about pretty random. Oh, travel photographers. Cough, cough. [01:27:52] Speaker B: Yeah, sorry, sorry, mate. [01:27:53] Speaker A: Oh, hey, Rashid says I'm actually an event photographer and a cosplay photographer. Well. [01:27:57] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:27:59] Speaker A: We have had a cosplay photographer on. What's his name? Greg. It's coming to me. [01:28:06] Speaker B: Ian Tan. [01:28:07] Speaker A: Ian Tan. For some reason it was coming to me as Eric Tan. I was like, that's not right. Ian Tan. I can't remember what episode number it is, but go back. [01:28:14] Speaker B: It was pretty early on when I joined. [01:28:16] Speaker A: Yeah. So we've gotten better. Ian was great though. Where is he? Ian Tan? Way back. Probably like episode 40 or something. [01:28:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna say about 40. Look, Rashid, hit subscribe and then when you get some time, go through the back catalog of episodes we've. This is, this is actually episode like 88, I think. And at the moment we're doing two a week. This is out. This will be our third one this week. Um, but, um, yeah, we've got a whole bunch of stuff there covering every possible genre, every approach to photography, film. We've got a big guest list lined up for the next three months and we're looking at, you know, expanding what we offer on this channel. So stick around, you know, and most importantly for us is that we want your involvement as a community. If you've got questions or comments or if there's a topic you'd like us to discuss or a guest you'd love us to try and get on the show, then we're here for you. We're not just doing this for us. We. We love giving back to our community and this is how we thought we could do it best. So here we are. [01:29:29] Speaker A: We're here for you. [01:29:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:29:33] Speaker A: Episode 24. [01:29:36] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:29:37] Speaker A: Way back, I believe. [01:29:38] Speaker B: Must be one of my first. Yeah, it was my second or something. [01:29:41] Speaker A: Oh yeah, Seb's on it too. Episode 24. Thanks, Seb. [01:29:44] Speaker B: Oh, there we go. Thanks. [01:29:47] Speaker A: Yeah, so go check that out. Cosplay. Good interview. We'll have to get him back on some stage and otherwise, I don't know. That's probably pretty much a wrap for this thing I just scanned through. Wow. The pedapixel review title is FujifilmXE5Review no longer a beginner's basic camera. Was it a beginner's basic? Are you a beginner, Greg? And is it basic? [01:30:13] Speaker B: I've taken the odd photo, but I don't think it was a beginner's camera. They're more like the XA series was actually Fujifilm's beginner series. They were pretty plasticky and why they throw on rocks. [01:30:27] Speaker A: Greg, Greg Carrick, in the chat, in the chat, did you know that you're using a beginner's camera? Do you want to upgrade to a better camera, baby? [01:30:34] Speaker B: Oh my God. [01:30:37] Speaker A: Dear. All right, let's call it like picking on the Internet. Yeah, let's call it. I'm just trying to find. I was trying to find out whether this thing's weather sealed or not. But maybe we'll just have to wait and we'll talk to you. We'll talk about that on Monday. [01:30:48] Speaker B: We'll cover some more. Hopefully by then I might have one as well as some confirmed specifications from Fujifilm Australia. So be sure to like subscribe. Hit the bell icon for all notifications and then you get a bit of advanced warning. But also, yeah, we'll talk more about this camera, among other things on our Monday night random photography show. 7:30pm Australian Eastern Standard Time. Do the Google thing to work out what time it is for you in the Netherlands or in Chicago or in Indonesia or. But we would love to have you on. [01:31:25] Speaker A: We put all our upcoming live shows on YouTube so if you check out the channel, it'll actually tell you what time it's going to go live in your time zone. So you choose. [01:31:32] Speaker B: Pretty good. [01:31:33] Speaker A: Like that. [01:31:34] Speaker B: Yeah, true. That's another good thing to do. But look, I think we're going to call it for tonight. This is our second podcast today, so I'm kind of pooped. [01:31:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm tired too. We'll. We'll see you all again on Monday. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, everybody. Hang on, Greg. Eric says the XE4 was pretty minimal, so maybe that confused them. [01:31:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:56] Speaker A: Yes. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Editor Sebastian. Thanks, Rashid. Good to see you. We'll see you again. Ramak, Ram Mac. Dunno. Finn from the Netherlands. Amazing. Good to see you. Good to see everybody. Who else was in the chat? Digifrog, Roger Highland, Glenn Lavender, of course, Tim Siamas, everybody. Thanks everyone for joining us. Digifrog, Dave, we'll. We'll see you guys in the next one. [01:32:25] Speaker B: Bye now. Gotta find somebody to pre order it.