EP03 Photography Branding and Choosing Your Niche

[00:00:01] Speaker A: And we are live. Episode three. We're live. Jim. Hey, you're back. [00:00:07] Speaker B: Welcome. [00:00:08] Speaker A: I'm back. Missed you last week, but Grant and I had a good time. [00:00:12] Speaker B: I didn't sound like you did. I listened to the start of it. [00:00:15] Speaker A: You know, we had a great time. It was awesome without you, actually. Wonderful podcast. [00:00:19] Speaker B: I can go away again if you like. [00:00:21] Speaker A: No, no, stay. Yes. Jim and I, this week, talking about. What are we talking about? We're talking about niching down or having multiple brands for different aspects of your photography business. So commercial versus weddings, do you have different brands? Do you put it all under the same brand? What if you do pet photography? How many different Instagram profiles do you need to have to run a photography business that caters to more than one type of client? That's what we want to talk about. And why do we want to talk about that? The answer is, there is no answer. Because I've seen it done well both ways. The question is, what's the right answer for you, Jim? Because that's the question that you face right now. [00:01:11] Speaker B: I know. Yeah. We had this chat last week, this week. And I don't know what the answer is. [00:01:19] Speaker A: I think that. [00:01:22] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know what to do. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Well, yes, we can work through that. We'll figure it out today. We'll look at the website, go through some things and make a plan for your 2023 marketing. If anyone is listening, feel free to jump in the comments and tell Jim what he should do to run his business this year. Or if you've got any questions about this topic or any topic, throw it up so we can answer them. Okay, let's. How should we start? Should we look at the website? [00:01:55] Speaker B: Yeah, let's start with that. It's probably easiest to chat. [00:01:58] Speaker A: I'll pull it up. Pull up the website. We haven't updated it for a while. [00:02:10] Speaker B: No, it's still working. [00:02:13] Speaker A: I mean, still booking you weddings. Oh, here we go. [00:02:17] Speaker B: Well, the work is still good, I guess. That's super wide. [00:02:21] Speaker A: It's super wide, but that's just how it looks on a MacBook pro. Okay, so this is just for any of you that don't know. This is Justin and Jim, photographers. This is mine and Jim's wedding photography, mainly website, but it also has commercial work and family work and things on it. Jim and I started working together eight years ago. I don't know, nine years ago. [00:02:51] Speaker B: 2014. 2014, I think. [00:02:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:53] Speaker B: Nigel and Steph. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Yep. Which was to start with, it was just under. Under my business name. And then we quickly kind of merged it into Justin and Jim so that we could both operate under the same kind of business name marketing platform. You know, one social media account, one website, put all the content through the same place. And often we were shooting together on a lot of jobs as well, so. [00:03:20] Speaker B: Especially back then. [00:03:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Early on, we basically just. Instead of. Instead of having two separate businesses, we basically merge them into one business that now is pretty much mostly Jim's business because he shoots almost 99.9% of the weddings, which is the bulk of the work that comes through. And basically you're thinking of maybe trying to push. We've always done commercial work, but we've never really pushed it. [00:03:51] Speaker B: We haven't pushed it all. We made a page six, seven years ago. We've added a few photos here and there to it, but that's about it. [00:04:00] Speaker A: We don't do that page. Any page looks like this. And it's got a little bit of information, mainly for SEO purposes. Some clients that we worked with, it hasn't been updated for a long time. [00:04:15] Speaker B: I reckon since we made that page. [00:04:17] Speaker A: Yeah, easily over five years. You still got some, you know, some cool car photography on there, the little pooch. But yeah, we've definitely got a much bigger body of work for commercial work that we could put up there. There is a portfolio. We've got logos of companies that we've worked with that would add some credibility to this page. But really before doing that, the question is, should this even be a page on what is primarily a wedding photography website, or should it be a separate thing altogether and how to figure that out? I don't know. What do you think, Jim? [00:05:01] Speaker B: I think from our chat the other day, I do like the idea of maybe having a landing page for our website rather than at the moment, our landing page is literally just the page that you're currently seeing, which is 100% wedding focused. Other than the tab that says commercial or family, it's all about weddings. [00:05:24] Speaker A: The goal is to attract couples and book them for weddings. But that goal might be shifting slightly if you're maybe looking to not book the maximum amount of weddings possible and maybe try and fill in with some more commercial work or even transition to a 50 50 or 60 40 kind of split between weddings and commercial work. [00:05:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:52] Speaker A: How to go about that? Maybe a landing page that says weddings commercial has kind of an equal representation and then sends people through to this website, but then that you would still keep the same brand for both, but a landing page just to split off onto two different themed websites? [00:06:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. And maybe even a third with some sport. [00:06:16] Speaker A: Okay. [00:06:16] Speaker B: Something that we're both maybe passionate about. Something for that possibly, since I guess we have started to do a little bit more of that together as well. [00:06:28] Speaker A: So I guess that it's easy enough with websites because they're more static. You don't have to update them quite as often, but. So how does that work then? So, say, if you're even looking to do three, which is getting pretty crazy, what does social media look like? I mean, if we jump over to the Instagram. Yeah, the old Instagram, and we scroll through, it's heavy on weddings, obviously, because that's. You're shooting them every weekend. The couples want to see stuff on there. You want to post things on there. And would you be thinking of having separate, three separate Instagram profiles as well? I don't want to. Sounds like a lot of work. [00:07:24] Speaker B: One feels like a lot of work, let alone three. But when was. I don't remember the last time we posted a commercial shoot. Doesn't mean that we can't start doing it, though. But does it detract from our current people, you know, the couples that we're trying to attract? [00:07:45] Speaker A: Do you think it would stop people from perceiving you as a specialist wedding photographer if they were seeing commercial work and sports work spread through this feed? [00:08:01] Speaker B: Maybe. Maybe a little bit. Yeah, it would. I feel like it potentially would detract just having that mixture. Especially, say if you've, you know, you've had a cool shoot, you're really stoked on, so you might post six photos, and then you kind of lost the top two lines of, um, of your feed is sort of. And they. People might go, ah, they're not really, you know, wedding. Wedding people or anything like that. [00:08:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so then. Then you're looking at more than one Instagram feed. [00:08:47] Speaker B: Maybe. Yeah, but maybe I'm thinking about it right now, and I'm thinking that maybe two would be enough. And you could, um. You could definitely sport together. [00:08:55] Speaker A: You definitely could. You definitely could. Yeah, I think. I think commercial and sport definitely goes together. And look, you could put a little bit through the main wedding profile as well, just to kind of cross promote a small amount. But, yeah, you'd probably be looking at at least five to one or ten to one wedding posts to, to, you know, commercial posts on your wedding feed. [00:09:24] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:24] Speaker A: Get a comment here from Yelena Jennings. Sounds like you need to employ a virtual assistant for social media management, Jim. Then you have unlimited social media feeds. Hey, that's an option. [00:09:38] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Do you know anyone? Yelena? [00:09:42] Speaker A: See what she says? [00:09:43] Speaker B: Hmm. [00:09:46] Speaker A: It is an option. It's an option to outsource that stuff. I mean, especially it's hard because you got to write captions as well, but I mean, flagging photos in lightroom or something and then exporting stuff that just gets posted and then someone else takes care of it. That's possible. [00:10:03] Speaker B: Yeah. All the work. All the work is there. Ready to go from our sneaks. So a couple of days after the wedding, there is plenty of content sitting there. Yeah, yeah. But it always seems like a big job to post and tag and do. [00:10:23] Speaker A: All that sort of stuff and keep up with it. And I mean, particularly with, you know, with wedding photography, posting and tagging venues and sending those photos to venues and that sort of thing is a lot of work, but it can also be extremely important to keep the business rolling. Probably the most important thing, I think, is getting photos to venues and tagging venues in photos on social media and sort of working with them to get those referrals early on from couples. [00:10:52] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely, definitely. True. And building those relationships with those venues. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, if you. I guess if you look at, would you want to keep everything under the one brand, though? So it would just be like Justin and Jim, the wedding themed stuff, and then Justin and Jim, the commercial and sports stuff. Is that what you're thinking? Or you're thinking two different brands and why? [00:11:26] Speaker B: For simplicity, I think I would keep the same brands. It's easy. We had a lot of meetings at the start before we launched on different studios and all those sorts of things, and we always came back to, what do people remember when you leave the shoot? They remember your name. [00:11:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:48] Speaker B: So you do a good job, they remain name, they pass it on. They're not going to remember the fancy studio name that you came up with that you think's the best thing ever. [00:12:02] Speaker A: I mean, people, people will. You can build names and do it. It's certainly, certainly possible, but it's a lot harder, especially when you're working through word of mouth. A lot of times it's different if you're, you know, if you're in maybe a bigger city and a lot of your stuff's primarily social media marketing and you're doing a lot of that kind of thing, you can certainly build a studio name. But yeah, if you're. If you're gonna just hope that you know, or. Yeah, work towards businesses referring you to other businesses and wedding couples referring to you to other Wedding couples, having your name in there is definitely more memorable, I think. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Definitely, yeah. [00:12:42] Speaker A: Yelena says one weBsite, slash brand and Multiple SOcials, easy to link socials. [00:12:50] Speaker B: It would be easy, you know, Justin, Jim commercial, Justin and Jim Sport. [00:12:54] Speaker A: It'll be like Jim's mowing Jim's photography. [00:13:00] Speaker B: They probably registered that. [00:13:02] Speaker A: It's true. I mean, so the area that we're in, we're in Bendigo. We have often talked about whether we should launch something that's just really simple, like Bendigo commercial photography or something like that. Very plain. But, you know, when someone's googling commercial photography, Bendigo, and they see one that says Bendigo, commercial photographers, they're probably gonna click on it and check it out. Whereas if they see Justin and Jim photographers, do they think, oh, I don't know if that's commercial or whatever. So there is. There is that element to it. When you have that, the potential to have a second brand for something more niche. And I think it's probably more important the more niche it is. Like, so say it's pet photography. You know, if you had Jim's pet photography as a brand, you're going to probably get people checking you out faster than if you were just Jim's photography. You know, because you put that word pet in there and people are like, yeah, that's. That's what I'm after. Yeah. So. Hmm. Whereas commercial is. Commercial is a bit more broad. It's a little bit easier to sort of work that into. Work that into your marketing with whatever brand. I don't know. It's tricky, but we need to figure it out. It is tricky to get this happening. [00:14:24] Speaker B: Yeah, we do. We do need to figure it out, but I think it'll be beneficial for both of us. [00:14:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I need. I definitely need to do something with. With my side of things. I was just before this, I was looking at my landing page. I'm embarrassed to. I'll pull it up. I'll pull it up. It wasn't even showing for a while, which is funny because I've made a lot of websites. [00:14:48] Speaker B: Yeah. After the. After you, we look at yours and you can look at mine. [00:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah. So this is the landing page that. You can't even really read the writing. It's the landing page. I throw up. I threw up probably four years ago. I don't know. It may be longer, I'm not sure. [00:15:03] Speaker B: I reckon longer. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And. Yep. [00:15:09] Speaker B: The website's under construction, though, which is good. [00:15:11] Speaker A: It's been under construction for a while and. Yeah, this is terrible. I shouldn't have done this, but I was in a hurry and I just wanted to have something there that wasn't the old website. And I threw this up. I just dropped a folder of images in there that I didn't really check through that well. Can't really read the writing as the images scroll over and they're pretty, they're not like none of it is, is really good commercial work. You know, it's certainly not the best stuff that I'm not putting my best foot forward, that's for sure. And since then I was just looking. I've delivered, in the last couple of years, I've delivered 5000 commercial images for mountain bike photography and not one of them is on this website. [00:15:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:00] Speaker A: And I don't even know if any of them are on my instagram either. [00:16:05] Speaker B: And what about like all the snowboard stuff you did? [00:16:09] Speaker A: There's a couple in there, but yeah, it's not, not really much. And again, there's not much on, on my instagram as well. Yeah. The gap between this photo January 13 this year because I was like, yep, doing things. Let's get on it. And then this one was December 12, 2020, that was an iPhone photo. And then. Yeah, before that got a little bit of snowboard stuff and. Yeah, but yeah, a lot of doing. [00:16:39] Speaker B: A bit with the mint stuff. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I posted a bit of that kind of stuff because we had some cool, cool work. Yeah, it was, it was great. And the Chucky star photo. Yeah. So there's, that comes into it as well. So we've, we've both got personal Instagram profiles that I guess we mainly use, mainly use for photography, you know. What do you use your personal Instagram profile for? [00:17:13] Speaker B: I'm really torn at the moment because I want to post and share sort of personal things, but it's also feel like it's something that I built up that was a semi personal brand. It's like more so around, based around work and photo, especially a long, long time ago, it was basically just photo work and that original sort of Instagram feel, whereas now Instagram's everyone just posts normal photos on there other than. [00:17:47] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. [00:17:48] Speaker B: So you. [00:17:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yours is definitely more of a personal profile that you've mixed some of your favorite photography in, but, but also not. This is kind of like me. We don't update it a whole lot. [00:18:01] Speaker B: No. Yeah, I think I went a full twelve months or something. [00:18:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I know the feels. So, yeah, when you post so much for business stuff, you kind of neglect your personal profile sometimes. [00:18:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I've been thinking about starting just my own personal one that's sort of less curated, just a little bit more of the sort of day to day things, but can't be bothered. [00:18:33] Speaker A: I was going to say that's another. That's another. We're getting to a lot of profiles. You're going to be flat out because you, because you've also got a, you've also got an elopement business. Wow. You're part of an elopement business, which there's a team of you. So the Instagram for that. Does everyone kind of help out with that Instagram? Like, do you have to post on that elopement Instagram? [00:18:57] Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of whoever feels like it, which is generally no one because everyone is sort of grinding in their own business. But, yeah, that's potential. There is huge as a side hustle. But yeah, we kind of need to have a bit of a meeting and work out which direction we're going to go and have a bit of a structure. Maybe the VA could do it. [00:19:31] Speaker A: Well, look, it sounds like. It sounds like to me that you need to not need to do whatever you like, but maybe you should have a think about. Yeah. What, what you want to spend most of your time doing work wise. Like in a few years. Like, how many weddings do you want to be shooting, how many allotments do you want to be shooting and how much commercial work and sports work and that kind of thing. What sort of mix? What's the most important? You know, what's, you know, currently weddings are fairly critical for you just in terms of, it's your primary income. So you can't, you can't just stop, you know, be like, I'm just gonna make my instagram all sports photography because that's what I want to shoot. And then, you know, and then work dries up for weddings and you've got no money, so that's not an option. No, you've got to keep the ball rolling with, with weddings. But, yeah, how do you, how do you figure out what, what you want to be doing in the future and then start working towards that with a bit of a marketing plan to get that work, to get more of that work. [00:20:35] Speaker B: It's probably sitting down and crunching some sums on how many weddings is kind of the minimum you need to survive, and then go, what can I do with that? Extra time for the commercial side of things. [00:20:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So, but if you were going to fill up, if you were going to be doing more commercial work, you know, do you need the minimum. Do you need to cover everything with weddings or can the commercial work take up the slack of some less weddings? [00:21:10] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. [00:21:12] Speaker A: It's a bit of a. Bit of a risk because it's not booked. You know, you don't have them booked in a year in advance. That's the, the big positive with weddings is you can sort of plan, plan a year out and know that you can afford to pay your bills because you've got a certain amount already booked in, which. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of like a guaranteed or semi guaranteed income. But I think every year, you know, I always say I'm worried about bookings and then the bookings only and yeah. [00:21:39] Speaker A: Every year it's worked out every year for. Since we started, there's always been that dip in the year, like, are we going to get enough? And then every year it's worked out. Even the toughest is. Were obviously Covid, but you got through that. Obviously it was pretty horrendous, but you made it work and I think if you can get through that, you can probably get through anything. [00:22:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:05] Speaker A: So maybe, yeah. Not, not stressing too much on the number of weddings that you've got booked, but focusing on. Alright, I need to add a certain amount of commercial work or I need to add a certain amount of sports photography or something like that. [00:22:23] Speaker B: Some family stuff as well. Some family shoots. [00:22:27] Speaker A: If you see, if you could pick, what would you. If you could, if the job was worth the same amount of money and took the same amount of time, would you rather be doing a family shoot or a commercial shoot and probably commercial. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Probably commercial. You're gonna deliver a lot less like these family stuffs. A lot more photos, more culling, more time. There's more kind of deliverables. If you're not just doing like a digital download. [00:22:59] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a more streamlined, you know, a commercial job. You send a Dropbox folder or something and, you know, they want things as fast as possible and as easy as possible that they're not looking for like fancy packaging or anything. [00:23:13] Speaker B: Yeah, their fancy packaging is delivering it as fast as possible and kind of getting it right. Making it simple for them to use to find all that sort of thing. [00:23:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. So if you had to lean towards one or the other, it would be commercial over family. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. [00:23:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. If it was me then giving you advice, which it is because I have a microphone, I would say don't try and do both. Your sole focus should be on adding because you're already doing weddings as well. So it's like you're already getting pulled in multiple directions by trying to advertise more than one thing, trying to add commercial and family work is just more different. You're trying to find more clients. Obviously, wedding clients turn into family clients, so that that makes them maybe easier to get down the track. But, yeah, trying to market to too many different groups is it just adds more time and it takes the message away from the main thing you're trying to push. Because I've sort of think about that sort of stuff for myself, and I'm like, what? You know, if I'm going to be posting, what sort of work should I be posting? And, yeah, trying to do more than one thing dilutes that message. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Yep. [00:24:41] Speaker A: You know, we've never been, because we've always tried to, you know, it just took, took a long time just to be able to make a living from this photography thing. And, you know, it was always, you'd see the, in the heyday of Instagram, when it was on the rise, you know, you'd see those profiles and it was like they were just a landscape photographer, and everything was like the one perfect landscape photo they got from that one shoot. And that was their whole feed. And it's like, we were never able to do stuff like that because we were trying to make, make a living, see, shoot anything, and advertise everything. But lately, with doing more mountain bike photography, it's like, you know, should I be one of those people where, you know, essentially 90% of the stuff that I put out there is mountain bike work? So that then if a brand does come across me through a referral or something, they look at it and they go, oh, he's a mountain bike photographer. Okay, cool. He'll be able to do this job. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Because that's what you want to shoot, then that's probably what needs to be on there. [00:25:44] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. But obviously it does, you know, it limits you in terms of, you know, trying to go after other work. And I think, you know, you could be more diverse with sports and stuff. But, yeah, at some point, if they, you know, if they jump on your Instagram, some marketing person jumps on your Instagram, and in the first three or four photos, there isn't something similar to what they're looking for. They kind of just lose interest unless. Unless the referral that they got is, like, really, really solid. So that's what I've been thinking about a lot. And I think that's probably what my personal Instagram will have to become, is whatever it is that I'm trying to do. Oh, dear. We might have a special guest. Special guest. Grant. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Hello. [00:26:36] Speaker A: You're in Japan. [00:26:38] Speaker C: How are we going? [00:26:39] Speaker A: Good. How are you going? Yeah. [00:26:42] Speaker C: Not too bad. Just sitting here at Hiroshima Castle. [00:26:47] Speaker A: Oh, yes. You been taking any photos today? [00:26:51] Speaker C: I've taken a couple today, but I've taken a heap yesterday. Today was a bit of a travel day, so we've only been here for about an hour. [00:27:00] Speaker B: Yep. [00:27:02] Speaker A: Very cool. Having fun? [00:27:04] Speaker C: How are you? Yeah, it's so much funnier. [00:27:08] Speaker A: How are you guys? [00:27:09] Speaker B: How's the food? [00:27:11] Speaker C: The food is really good. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Hold on. Is that better? Is that better? [00:27:18] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. It's a bigger grant. We're good. It's it's about the same temperature here in australian summer as it is there in Japan. I could almost guarantee it's snowing today in. [00:27:29] Speaker C: I've seen that it snowed. [00:27:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:31] Speaker B: Is it really? [00:27:33] Speaker A: I think it Hotham and stuff. Yeah. [00:27:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:35] Speaker A: Bullock. [00:27:36] Speaker C: Like all mountains. [00:27:37] Speaker A: Mm hmm. That's our new summer. It's kind of weird. How long do you get? How long till you get to the snow over there? [00:27:48] Speaker C: So we've got one night here, and then we've got two or three in Kyoto. I'm not. Four nights, apparently. And then we got, then we go from Kyoto to Huckaba for six months. [00:28:01] Speaker A: You've got some photography plans in Kyoto. I would imagine it's pretty picturesque. [00:28:05] Speaker C: Yes, we have plenty. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. What. What did you end up taking over? Tell us. What. [00:28:11] Speaker C: What did you, um, so I brought my tripod. Little travel on, obviously, d 850. And I've just been using the 24 to 70. [00:28:23] Speaker A: I think I've used yours. [00:28:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:28] Speaker C: But I've been using, and probably reckon I use the 16 or 35 twice. And that's only because, like, if you're, like, real tight with the shrines. [00:28:39] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Wait till you get to Tokyo. [00:28:43] Speaker B: You'll. [00:28:43] Speaker A: You'll whip that bad boy out. [00:28:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:28:46] Speaker C: I was doing, um, in Nagasaki. The 24 to 70 was perfect. I would have been better if I'd like the 24 to 105, maybe. [00:28:55] Speaker A: Mm hmm. [00:28:56] Speaker C: But that's something I don't have. [00:28:58] Speaker A: What? You're just looking for a little bit more reach on the longer end. Yeah, yeah. What? [00:29:05] Speaker C: Forget it. A little bit closer. [00:29:11] Speaker A: A little bit. [00:29:11] Speaker C: Like, if you're shooting people from far away, just, you know, make them a little bit more that depth of field. [00:29:18] Speaker A: Yep. [00:29:19] Speaker B: Yep. Grant, your tram photo. Actually, I wanted a third option, and that was in between the crop and the uncropped. I thought in between was potentially where it was at, but that wasn't an option, so I went uncropped. [00:29:37] Speaker C: Okay. [00:29:38] Speaker A: Yeah. I haven't heard about this. What is this? What are we talking about? [00:29:41] Speaker C: I done a story yesterday about a cropped photo and an uncopped photo of a tramdez. And I think 95% of people voted for the uncropped version. [00:29:56] Speaker A: I think I found it. Not the story, but I found the post that you did. Maybe afterwards I'm going to pull it up. But while I pull that up, Yelena Jennings would like to know what did you have for breakfast, Grant? [00:30:08] Speaker B: Breakfast. [00:30:08] Speaker C: Today we went to the bakery at the train station. So I had a. Was like a cheese and bacon baguette and a custard filled bun. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Fancy. Fancy. Oh, yeah. So this is your tram photo. Very nice. Yeah. Else we got anything else so far? Just a little. [00:30:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:35] Speaker A: Shrine. This. [00:30:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I did have that in a reel and I didn't do too well, so I took it down. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Reels. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:45] Speaker C: I think I'm going to stick clear of Loreles. [00:30:48] Speaker A: Yeah. They're confusing. [00:30:52] Speaker B: Yes, they are. [00:30:56] Speaker A: Very cool. Very. [00:30:57] Speaker C: So when you said Jimbo was traveling, I didn't know traveling to your own house as an option. [00:31:04] Speaker A: What do you mean? [00:31:10] Speaker C: Was that yesterday? [00:31:11] Speaker A: Yes, yesterday. Yesterday. Where were you? [00:31:16] Speaker B: Queensland, visiting some family. [00:31:19] Speaker C: Oh, nice. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Wasn't it warm up there? It was very hot. Very hot. [00:31:27] Speaker A: Very warmer than down here. Yeah, it's so cold. Okay, cool. Any other exciting news to share from the land of Japan? [00:31:44] Speaker C: Covid's still a thing. Very much. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Well, I wasn't going to mention, but it looks like you've got something on your face, so. Yeah, that's. That's everywhere. Yeah. Thing. Yep. [00:31:56] Speaker C: Every building. They've got the temperature cameras or they like, check your temperature. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. [00:32:03] Speaker C: So it's still huge. [00:32:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Not holding you back from. From travel and having a good time, though. It's all. It's like it's all kind of normal, but just. Just got to get checked in and all that sort of stuff. [00:32:15] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. [00:32:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Nice. [00:32:18] Speaker B: Yep. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, update us when you have. When you're knee deep in powder snow. Or hopefully waist deep. Even better. [00:32:28] Speaker C: Yeah, hopefully. Bit of snow coming. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Enjoy. It looks like a good season. Yeah. [00:32:36] Speaker C: That company never got back to me though, so I'm just gonna have to wing it out there. [00:32:41] Speaker A: All right, well, you'll find some stuff. Find it. Find some people you can take photos of. Find some staples. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Go to a club. [00:32:49] Speaker A: Yep. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Find. They know what they're doing. [00:32:53] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:32:54] Speaker C: Done. All right, I'll let you continue on with the show. [00:32:59] Speaker A: Hi, Eilish. I didn't. I didn't know if you were there or not. [00:33:04] Speaker C: Been trying to lose it. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Good luck with that. All right. [00:33:12] Speaker B: See you later. Take care. [00:33:17] Speaker A: Okay. Grand Fleming, ladies and gentlemen, from Japan. [00:33:23] Speaker B: We are very jealous. Great. [00:33:25] Speaker A: Very jealous. Very jealous. What are we talking about? We're talking about Instagram, website, grand friends, brands, commercial photography. How much? [00:33:40] Speaker B: We're talking about your. You'd taken 5000 photos, delivered 5000 photos and you haven't seen a single one of them? [00:33:50] Speaker A: No. I really should get onto that. I actually went, um. Went on a shoot last night at Maldon for a bike review and it. It was like a 5%. No, sorry, 60% chance of one to five mil of rain. And instead it ended up being. It rained the entire time. So instead of canceling the shoot, though, we went ahead and we shot. I was changing lenses in the rain and managed reasonably well. The mind shift. The mind shift rotation. The new horizon held up very well. Nothing got wet. It was excellent. Very helpful in the rain. [00:34:33] Speaker B: But I feel like we would freak some people out if we showed how you shoot in any condition, really. [00:34:40] Speaker A: I took a photo. I was almost. I was gonna post it and I didn't. I was gonna post it on the lucky straps. Instagram, I took a photo of. Yeah. What, the camera? Anyway, so that. So the r three is. The r three is weather sealed. You know, it's the highest weather ceiling that. That canon have, other than maybe the one DX mark three, if that's slightly different. But either way, the r three is supposed to be weather sealed. But it got so wet. Like, not only did it have the normal issues where, you know, like the eyepiece can fog up and all those kind of weird things. Oh, normal, huh? I don't think it would being like weather sealed. Yeah, it was pretty. There's a layer in there or something. Anyway, it was like, it was. It was raining for 2 hours. Like, we're shooting for 2 hours and it was raining the entire time. But was it humid yesterday? Yeah. Yeah. Not crazy, but a little bit. Yeah. But just it going back in and out of the bag and all that sort of stuff. But what actually happened? This. And because I shoot photo and video on the same shoots for these reviews. Hang on, this is left and right is hard. See this, this button here? [00:35:56] Speaker B: It's like the record button. [00:35:58] Speaker A: The record photo video switch is what it is. [00:36:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:36:02] Speaker A: It's like it's grabbing my face. Hang on. Block my face up. Focus on that so you can switch between photo and video mode. Really fast. That's why I love this camera because I shoot both for each shot pretty much we do photo and video. That stopped working. It got so wet, got stuck in video mode. And there's not manually change it in. [00:36:25] Speaker B: Like a menu or something or there. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Is no menu that I could find for. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Because it would be. No, because it would be locking. Like it would be. [00:36:33] Speaker A: I don't know. Switch. [00:36:35] Speaker B: It's probably just locked. Yeah, it's probably just locked. [00:36:38] Speaker A: It was stuck in video mode. [00:36:39] Speaker B: They're in two positions. That's it. [00:36:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Correct. And it actually, I was getting ready to send it to canon professional services, which is a whole nother thing because I actually never signed up for that when I switched from Nick on to Canon. So I was like getting ready to sign up for that and figure out how that all works because I have a shoot coming up next week, a big one. And it started working again this morning. I let it dry out tonight. I pulled everything out of the bag and got everything nice and dry and it just started working again. So I did not put it in rice. Maybe I'll do that tonight. But yeah, so I did that and it works again. And I think it's fine. It must have just had water in there. And it's just, I don't know, something fizzed out. But if anyone out on the interwebs has the same problems, here's the solution that you can sometimes get working again. There's a menu item for the switching controller, photo video switching. You go in there and there's a couple of options, but you can basically change the option to stop it from switching from photo to video and then it'll kick it back into the other mode. I don't know why or how. So it's like. So I can change the switch. I can change that switch. Instead of being, instead of being photo video switched, it can change from. To silent shooting. Like silent shutter. So if you were shooting, you could quickly switch it to silent shutter stays in photo mode. That'll kick it back to photo mode because it. Cause neither option is video mode. And then. So I just kept using that menu. If I swapped it to photo video switch, I'd go into video and if I swapped it to the silence shutter switch, it would go to photo mode. And I just had to do that for the rest of the shoot. [00:38:37] Speaker B: So you work through it? [00:38:39] Speaker A: Oh yeah. I'm a troubleshooter from way back. But yeah. Well you do. You do have to be these days. But that was one that I've never ran into. Because usually if there's something like that, you can usually find a menu item to do it. Like you say that somewhere in there, there would be a menu item to switch and look, I hope someone on the Internet is listening to this that goes, dude, don't you know you can just do this? And that's how you switched. But I couldn't find it. So anyway, something is vibrating at me. [00:39:08] Speaker B: But I don't know what it is. [00:39:10] Speaker A: Put your phone on silent. So, yeah, that shoot last night was. Was pretty wild and fun, but there were some. Some cool photos in there from the. [00:39:22] Speaker B: Rain to do some like, slow mo rain shots. [00:39:26] Speaker A: Nah, we're working too hard for that. We had a lot to do. Yeah. [00:39:35] Speaker B: This one. [00:39:38] Speaker A: Well, slow mo what? Mountain biker descending. [00:39:44] Speaker B: Yes. It's slow, isn't it? [00:39:46] Speaker A: And it's not going to be. Are you talking about for the. All. For the video or for. [00:39:50] Speaker B: Yeah, for video. [00:39:51] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Yeah. We shot a lot of slow mo. They should. I haven't been able to review the footage yet, but there's probably some stuff where you can see the rain falling in the slow mo. I thought. You mean. I thought you meant like a drag shutter. Oh, and yes. Too rocky for that. Yeah, it's like. Yeah, because you only get. You just got a fluke one when you got the shutter open for so long and they're bouncing over rocks. Chances of them being, you know, kind of level for the pan shot is pretty slim. So, yeah, fun times. Mountain bike photography in the rain. That's good. Yeah. I should post some stuff about that. And we both can try and build. [00:40:31] Speaker B: Up a bit of. [00:40:32] Speaker A: A. Bit of a profile in the industry so that we can get some more work. I guess. Not that flow doesn't give us a bit of work, but there's brands, I think that's the big one, is sort of working with brands for product shots and campaigns and that kind of thing. Whereas so far, mainly I've only done one thing organized by flow for Shimano. And that's about it, really. Everything else has been either tourism or bike reviews. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Which is still all organized under them. [00:41:11] Speaker A: Do I need more work? If it is fun and goes on an adventure, then yes. But maybe not. I don't know. Do you need more work, Jim? [00:41:25] Speaker B: If it fits with my schedule and stuff like that, yeah. And I think in the future, if I can change things up and just balance better balance between commercial sport and weddings. [00:41:39] Speaker A: Do you think. Do you think. And would you, if you could, could you replace all of your wedding work? With commercial work. And if you could, would you do that? [00:41:51] Speaker B: Definitely could. I don't want to. [00:41:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So even if I enjoy the weddings. Yeah. So if you could replace. Because, say, a wedding, a wedding is probably going to be equivalent to maybe three full days of commercial work. Probably. Commercial works a lot slower pace. There's not as many images to edit. Prices are lower, but they're midweek. There's a lot less pressure on commercial jobs and they're shorter hours. You know, you're a full day of commercial shootings, like ten till 510 till four or something until an hour lunch break. With an hour lunch break and a lot of downtime and a lot of. Cause you're sort of working at the pace of the client, whereas a wedding's a, you know, ten to 15 hours day with no downtime and insane. [00:42:46] Speaker B: Maybe a ten minute break. [00:42:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So maybe to eat some food. But then the chance of getting, you know, three commercial full day shoots a week is pretty slim. So then all of a sudden you're probably working with a lot of clients that are doing an hour or two or whatever as well. So then you might be dealing with six or seven clients a week or something like that. So you got a lot more emails, that kind of thing, you know, like a lot of phone calls and moving from job to job. And it's just very different. [00:43:18] Speaker B: I've sort of done a little bit of it. And if you can set it up so that your commercial stuff's sort of all on the same day, it makes it a lot easier. So rather than coming in and out and in and out of the office, trying to block editing time together and shooting time together, if you can. [00:43:42] Speaker A: Yelena said, maybe that'll change when your daughter starts school. You know, like, would you want. Would you want more Monday to Friday work and less weekend work potentially in the future? [00:43:53] Speaker B: I think so. But I do. I do enjoy shooting weddings a lot. [00:43:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, 20 weddings a year is still, which is obviously a lot less than you're doing now, but it's still sort of. That could be a pretty decent part of your business still. And that's, that cuts. And especially if I happen to fall on Fridays or whatever, that. That's a good base. And you've still got you, you know, more than half the year of weddings. Not, not shooting. Sorry. Half the year of weekends, more than half are off if you were, say, doing 20. So, yeah, there's probably a good balance there somewhere where weddings can still be a big part of your business. But without being the sole income, which at the moment, even though you do some commercial work, you would probably say that the primary income is definitely weddings. [00:44:46] Speaker B: 100%. Yeah, that's. I don't know what the percentage of that income is, but it'll be, yeah, 90, 95% is wedding based. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Yeah. And you don't, you don't plan on any commercial work when you're sort of budgeting for the year and stuff, you're like, that's just. If it comes, it comes. [00:45:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:04] Speaker A: Hmm. Interesting. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Or even search for it. We're not really actively, you know, run an ad for it or update our website or anything like that currently, but I guess we can. [00:45:28] Speaker A: So what's the plan? Let's make a plan right now. [00:45:32] Speaker B: All right. [00:45:34] Speaker A: New website, new instagram. What would it be called? [00:45:41] Speaker B: So are we doing three instagrams? [00:45:43] Speaker A: I don't think that's a good idea. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Well, Justin and Jim, sport, commercial experience, getting very long. It is. That's the trouble. [00:46:07] Speaker A: It is. [00:46:14] Speaker B: I think. I think the websites is. It's just pages, really. And then. [00:46:20] Speaker A: So keep it all on the same website. [00:46:24] Speaker B: No, I think. What didn't we decide before? We'd have like a. A landing page and split it. [00:46:31] Speaker A: Or landing page and split it. Okay. [00:46:35] Speaker B: Is that hard to make a landing page? [00:46:38] Speaker A: It's not hard to make a landing page. I don't know if Squarespace, which is what we use for our website, which is what I would recommend to anyone who's looking to set up a website for their photography business. If you don't have a website, set one up now. Use squarespace. It's easy. There are cheaper options. You know, there's Wix and then there's WordPress and all that sort of stuff. And if you want to dive into that, that's great. But Squarespace works really well. The SEO, as long as you actually put good content in there that is somewhat formatted for SEO. The SEO structure has worked really well for us. We always rank very well for what we do and it's easy to edit and easy to make. So. Yeah, that's my plug. We're not sponsored by Squarespace, nor do we have a code of. But you should still use it. Yeah. [00:47:27] Speaker B: It's simple enough that I've been able to figure most things out or google them in a short amount of time. [00:47:34] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. It's straightforward. There's lots of sort of themes that are good for photography. There's blog style themes. There's all sorts of stuff. This definitely needs to be updated. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Mmm. Yeah, maybe that's, that's a winter job right there. Yeah, big refresh. [00:47:57] Speaker A: Big refresh. Takes a long time to learn. [00:48:00] Speaker B: Still some beautiful work, though. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm still. [00:48:05] Speaker B: Yeah, be happy to deliver that. [00:48:06] Speaker A: I prefer this one back. [00:48:08] Speaker B: Kid. [00:48:09] Speaker A: Bat kidde. Yeah, so, okay, so we definitely need to refresh our commercial portfolio of images to be more targeted to who we would be working with, which is going to be, you know, in general, larger local businesses. We also get a lot of call from businesses that aren't in Bendigo but might be operating in Bendigo for a short time or an extended amount of time. They often google looking for a commercial photographer and we come up. Which is another reason why keeping this website is probably a good idea, because it's got good SEO results, considering it's mainly a wedding focused website. But yeah, we definitely. Maybe even the top menu, you know, if we didn't do two separate sites, maybe even the top menu, you know, we need to have, you know, weddings and commercial as just the main two menu items. [00:49:22] Speaker B: Yeah, simplify that. We could probably. Those galleries, can they be in like a sub subheading or is that not. [00:49:34] Speaker A: Yeah, we can't do two subheadings in this, but I'll look into it. Let's not, let's not bore the millions of listeners that are listening to this with the ins and outs of whether we can do a second layer of sub navigation. Ah, apparently Grant's still listening sub menus. Yes, yes, that may be the answer, but I'll just have to look into. I honestly haven't even looked into some of the latest squarespace templates. They might have a lot more functionality with that kind of thing. [00:50:09] Speaker B: We can probably get a new template. This is the one we made in 2014, I think. [00:50:14] Speaker A: Yeah, when we launched. Yeah, I think. And so, yeah, if we, if we went that direction, I mean, you could potentially look at relaunching your website as your more sports focused kind of stuff. And then, yeah, we just put commercials side by side with commercial, side by side. Hello, Grant, long time listener, commercial side by side with weddings on the website, but maybe still aim for a landing page that kind of splits people off into the two before, you know, they get too, too far into the website. I'm not sure. [00:51:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:10] Speaker A: Yeah. We'll have to do some research, maybe look into some other leading photography businesses that have figured this out that are managing both commercial and wedding work side by side. I can't recall ever seeing. Seeing it done really, really well, but no, it's usually. I'm sure someone is the co brand. [00:51:34] Speaker B: Like this code, slightly different branding or that kind of thing? [00:51:41] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:51:42] Speaker B: It's going to be possible. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Could be possible. I mean, you've toyed with the idea of rebranding the wedding side of the business too. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. [00:51:55] Speaker A: Since. Since you're, you know, that you're the primary shooter now. You're the primary point of contact for every client you do. You run the whole business. So you've toyed with the idea of changing it from just in a gym to something else. But then there's the, you know, the years of. Nine years of building a brand. [00:52:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:20] Speaker A: You know, is it worth messing with that? I don't know. [00:52:25] Speaker B: Thoughts at the moment? It's not. It's probably not. [00:52:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a lot of work. It's a little bit of risk, you know, that you get lost into the. Lost into the background for a little while while you rebuild a new brand. [00:52:40] Speaker B: And we did the work to have that, you know, to build that brand, to have it there, to have it kind of just doing its thing. So the website's ticking over. [00:52:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:56] Speaker B: You know, we're not crazy active on socials and posting reels and following trends of all that kind of thing. Just kind of trying to be good photographers, I guess that's. [00:53:11] Speaker A: Yeah, do. Do good work. Get referrals is basically the primary. And then also obviously, make sure that you have a good, you know, base of information online so that when that person gets referred to you, they can. They can find the business, they can see what you do and get in touch easily and all that sort of stuff and. And then. Yeah, changing. Changing brands and all that sort of thing distracts from that. That's for sure. [00:53:37] Speaker B: But. [00:53:40] Speaker A: But yeah, because I think I will use my personal instagram to. To primarily sort of be my portfolio for mountain bike and sports photography. So I've kind of got that because I don't use it for personal stuff, so I can just use that. It's easy and it works fine because it ties in. You know, if people like Justin and Jim and then, oh, this is Justin, I can easily be like, yeah, he's part of that whole. Same thing. [00:54:16] Speaker B: So I've sort of been thinking a similar thing with. Or tossing out what to do with mine and with yours. Yeah. Because I sort of shoot a lot of things that are, you know, of my personal life, but I just never seem to post it for whatever reason. [00:54:36] Speaker A: Would it be better to. To leave your personal one personal? But yes, start like a Jim Aldersea photography Instagram, maybe that you do your. Or photo or whatever that you do sort of use for sports or anything else that's photography related and then just keep your current one. And I know you've said you've sort of probably got a bit of a while you're working at the advertiser and stuff. You built up a. Yeah, a photography base on that instagram. [00:55:10] Speaker B: Definitely. Yeah. [00:55:11] Speaker A: But also, you know, if you're not posting on it and stuff, how much traction is there there anyway? [00:55:17] Speaker B: Potentially not much. Especially if you're aiming at a new. A new. [00:55:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:22] Speaker B: Base of like a new audience sort of thing. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:30] Speaker B: Because there would have been stuff that come. Come through from cars and photography. And if you're going to be aiming at, say, purely sport, you know, mountain biking, those, you know, and motorbikes is sort of something that's not a passion that I want to sort of pursue. So, yeah, maybe it's. Yeah, maybe just do start a whole new one. [00:55:55] Speaker A: Hmm. So many thoughts, so many different ways that we can go. We really still haven't nailed down a plan. [00:56:02] Speaker B: No. Well, the first plan is probably jumping on to working out what to do with the website, I think. Start there, build out. [00:56:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:14] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, and in the meantime, get your. Get your instagram ticking over, even for me. In the meantime, like, don't have to change anything. I could do the same and then make a decision. It's not like it's gonna detract. [00:56:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's. Yeah. I keep think coming back to this commercial work side of things, and the more I think about, you know, like, if you wanted to grow commercial work in Bendigo, you really need to do some advertising, which was most likely going to be a combination of paid social media and potentially Google Ads and stuff like that. The issue is, if you want to do paid social and use Justin and Jim as a framework for it, it's like, then they're still going to go to the Justin and Jim Instagram and see. [00:57:16] Speaker B: Weddings. [00:57:17] Speaker A: Weddings, yeah. [00:57:19] Speaker B: So I say you've probably got to start a new one for Justin Jim and maybe, just. Maybe just call it Justin Jim commercial. [00:57:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's not a bad idea. Then you just put that in the bio. You know, like crisscross across between him in the bio and then don't update it as much, but mainly use it for running ads. [00:57:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Or you put a base down of ten to 20 photos and then you can run some ads off those. And as you say, you don't have to update it every day, every week. But, yeah, you can update, you can just because at the moment we shoot a lot of interesting things and we just don't post about it. [00:58:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And then in which. [00:58:10] Speaker B: And you could even cross. You could even cross promote. I know we spoke about it the other day of say with some of the content that we shot for flow that, you know, you've shot some photos or some video and unshot photos or something that you can post. Literally be posting together to cope co brand that you could build that across with the commercial stuff as well because you could post some of that stuff on there so that if people come across it from a branding perspective. [00:58:41] Speaker A: That's right. Hmm. Okay. Now we've looped all the way back around from what I thought was a stupid idea to think that's actually a pretty good idea. Which is. Yeah, unfortunately you'll be managing 600 Instagram accounts, but not really. [00:59:00] Speaker B: It's only one more than currently. And then just forget that I have a commercial. Like a. Sorry, a personal one because I don't really do anything with it anyway. [00:59:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And then because I think if you're going to have Justin and Jim commercial, honestly, I'll probably split the web. I'd probably just make a new website. It's not, it's not that much harder than doing the split stuff on the other website. And then the question becomes do you change the name and come up with some cool name or some appealing name? Some name that sounds like the sort of thing that marketing companies from Melbourne that are calling or you know, for. [00:59:47] Speaker B: The wedding side or commercial side? [00:59:49] Speaker A: No, for the commercial side of it. Instead of Justin and Jim commercial. Do you, you know, photo help or something? [00:59:59] Speaker B: I don't know, something. Well, then that, that then opens it up a little bit because then it's not like I think in the past, probably early on, you know, there was sometimes people go, are we getting you both coming or is one coming? So that's when we had to. [01:00:20] Speaker A: That's right. [01:00:23] Speaker B: Really list down what things were in quotes. Be super clear about what people were booking, if they were booking both of us or one of us depending on the job. Whereas if you open up to like a studio name, then you can have other people sort of associates that could shoot for you as well. [01:00:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. [01:00:45] Speaker B: Under the same brand. Which does make it a little bit broader but a little bit easier as well. [01:00:52] Speaker A: Guess the other way. You can do it the other way and can actually do the social media like marketing through a personal name too. Like there's no reason that you and I couldn't put our commercial work through our personal names and use that for marketing. And even though they're two separate things, we still would do the same thing we normally do where it's like, you know, I'm not available. Jim, you could do this one or vice versa or that. That suits you better than it suits me or that kind of thing, but sort of cast two nets. [01:01:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:28] Speaker A: You know, like. [01:01:31] Speaker B: Hmm. [01:01:32] Speaker A: Because if we're gonna have, like, you're gonna have a website anyway and it's like, for your name. Yeah, probably, you know, like, do you make that? [01:01:40] Speaker B: I've got a landing page the same as you, that is as poorly made as yours and spend probably the same amount of time to make it. We both need to get that done. [01:01:51] Speaker A: It's like we could almost do it that way where it's like they're two separate things but they kind of link to each other. And you advertise with both of them, but they do the same. Yeah. I don't know. I need to think about this. This must be the most annoying podcast to listen to. People will be like, what? Just, you've talked about every possible way that you could do this and none of them will work, or they all will work. [01:02:20] Speaker B: I guess anything will work if you put the work in. [01:02:23] Speaker A: That's right. [01:02:23] Speaker B: You could run it all under Justin and Gym and we could not have had this conversation and just put an hour of work into it. First thing, you know, probably just refresh. [01:02:33] Speaker A: That page on our website and make some posts about commercial work. Will probably achieve. Exactly. Yeah. [01:02:38] Speaker B: Yeah. But it'll all work if you do the work and the works. Good. Yeah. Which is, I guess, you know, that goes back to our, our initial meetings when we were talking about names and we were like, it doesn't matter what we're called, but I guess, I guess cool studio name. [01:02:54] Speaker A: The issue is, is like we've actively promoted weddings, that's for sure. But most of it has been word of mouth and working with venues and that kind of thing. And the other thing is built into weddings is like this, you know, hundred person group of people that see your work at each wedding, after each wedding, you know, most people check the photos out and stuff. So you're kind of advertising to the, the guests at every wedding and that's where, you know, your next clients generally come from, either straight from there or they tell someone or whatever commercial work that that stuff doesn't happen as organically, so the ball never got rolling. Even though we've done a heap of great work for good clients and have a lot of repeat clients that the ball never got rolling to the point where it just keeps coming, you know. [01:03:49] Speaker B: No, and we never posted about it. [01:03:52] Speaker A: No, but we never advertised it. But I was saying one learning. Yeah, but I don't think the word of mouth is anywhere near as strong either. [01:04:00] Speaker B: No, you've got to be out there doing it. Yeah. You know, did like that job for B. Bendigo. I went around to, I think, 40 businesses in three or four days. [01:04:13] Speaker A: And have you posted much about that? All right, yeah, I think we need it. We need. We need a third person. We need someone that can help us. We should have got Josh de rouge on here or some expert to try and help guide us. Well, if I could go back in time an hour and four minutes so everyone didn't have to listen through this same conversation again, just with a third person, I would have. Yelena wants to know, is that because the photos are boring, the commercial photos? No, most of it, like, you know, we wouldn't post the boring commercial photos, even though, you know, we do. What's commercial photos? Sorry. Yes, commercial photos are really for any type of business gets labeled commercial. So it could be, you know, a lot of the commercial work we've done has been. Jim's done a lot of work for Bennego Health when they're doing some new initiative or fundraising and that kind of thing, you know, that it get used on posters and billboards and all sorts of random stuff to, you know, we've shot. We've shot trucks at sunset with their drivers for. For. Was it not western, whoever. Yeah, western star. What are they called? Calendar. Yeah, we've shot. Shot all of the safety and rescue stuff for IsA 24, which is anything from, like, a rescue competition that they're attending to compete in to just shooting, you know, you as well, like product shots and manual photos for a safety manual and things like that that are really quite, quite boring. You know, all of the. [01:06:14] Speaker B: You can. You can make them as interest. You know, I guess we, you know, try to make them as interesting as possible, though. [01:06:21] Speaker A: Well, you would also do them well, you mainly post interesting photos, but also businesses want to see almost the exact photo that they want before they book you, basically. That's the hard part. It's like you can be, you know, a wedding day generally. You use all of the photography styles you use in commercial work, usually in one day. But they would. A business will see wedding photos and be like, oh, I'm not sure if this guy will be able to do commercial work. And often, sometimes wedding photographers can't, but they. They want to see the work that, they want to see the work that's going to be close to what they want to get. So if they're, if they've got cars, they'll want to see car photos on your website. That's just how it is. They won't. If they see photos of, I don't know, buildings, they won't be sure whether you can shoot cars. So that. Yeah, so that's why, you know, a commercial, you do need to put out a fair bit of work as well so that they assure that they're getting, you know, the right photographer, see something. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Close to what they're trying to emulate. [01:07:39] Speaker A: So no one knows who takes photos, the photos for the business, because they share them as their property. Yeah, that's correct. Most. They have no reason. They've paid us to that. They've got no reason to tag us. Some businesses will, just for fun, but they're not. They're not like, going to tag us in a social post or whatever, or even bother necessarily telling anyone who did the photos or anything they got a job. They're like, oh, we need to get this product on our website or whatever. That's what they're focused on. And their goal is their business. That's really it. So word of mouth isn't quite as. [01:08:20] Speaker B: Strong. [01:08:20] Speaker A: Isn't quite as strong with businesses. Some businesses don't even want to talk to other businesses about who they use for stuff. They're like, no, we'll keep them for. Keep them for ourselves. Keep it on the down low. Otherwise they'll put their prices up. Hmm. Well, I think that settles that. We have no idea what our plan is, but I don't know how much more we can talk about it. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I think we've got a bit of a plan. I think that we've got some idea. [01:08:55] Speaker A: A little plan. [01:08:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:58] Speaker A: Unfortunately, that I'm the kind of person that the most appealing thing to me is to have another brand, because that's a new project. The dumb shit that I do all the time is, yeah, start a new brand, launch a website and make it. [01:09:15] Speaker B: Yeah, but what if Justin Castles is the new brand? [01:09:18] Speaker A: Well, that's what. Yeah, that's what. I wonder whether that's. And I thought the same thing, like, while I was thinking, you know, we could be Bendigo commercial photography.com dot au or something like that. And then I was like, if we put that same effort into your website and my website, is that better? In the long run for everything. And yeah, the commercial photography might dilute the sports a little bit, but I don't know. [01:09:44] Speaker B: But if it's good, if you put good work up, if you only the same as. [01:09:48] Speaker A: I'll just put, we put the crappy work on your profile. So if it's like, you know, boring headshot for a real estate agent. Sorry, real estate agent. [01:09:57] Speaker B: So some of your photos you can put on my website. Is that what you're saying? [01:10:01] Speaker A: That's fine. Yeah. If you want them, if you'll take them, stick them up on yours and I'll just post like mountain bike stuff or you know, if we, if we set something on fire and jump through a hoop or something cool like that, we'll put it on mine. [01:10:17] Speaker B: I'll take the photo if you jump through. [01:10:19] Speaker A: Okay. I don't know. We need to think about it, but I think. [01:10:32] Speaker B: If the works good. It can be side by side. [01:10:37] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, definitely. Definitely, definitely. What, what's tough for you is I think it's busy. You're, you know, you've probably got a full march and April coming up of weddings, so you're going to be flat out. But then by the time you kind of chew through all that stuff and start to get a break, it's like June. But I worry that's you. You will then want to break and then, then you're starting to lead into the next season. And if you want to base of commercial work before next season so that you can kind of maybe block some weekends out, not book as many weddings. I think the ball, getting the ball rolling sooner rather than later is probably critical. So. [01:11:24] Speaker B: Hmm. [01:11:26] Speaker A: Got to do whatever the minimum viable thing to get it rolling and start, maybe start advertising or something. You probably got to do soon. [01:11:36] Speaker B: So are we, do we want to make a commitment for next episode? We've got, we've got the plan in concrete. [01:11:46] Speaker A: The plan? Yes. [01:11:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I don't mean like we have to have six new websites and all the. [01:11:53] Speaker A: New insights and all that. Otherwise this might become a two monthly podcast. [01:11:58] Speaker B: This is the last episode, last episode ever. [01:12:01] Speaker A: We just stopped because we made, we made a commitment and we honored that commitment. Yeah, I think that's probably good idea. We'll come up with a plan. We'll decide whether it's. Yeah, yeah. But I think either way. Yeah, some advertising has to happen. Hmm. We'll figure it out. What else is new? You only cool shoots coming up? [01:12:34] Speaker B: Um, no, I'm actually not shooting. I picked up a wedding next weekend, but then not shooting again until the end of February kind of blocked out the month to catch up on the chaos. That was the end of 2022. Yeah. So, yeah, just lots of editing. It'll be a big sort of three weeks of three. Four weeks of editing coming up. [01:12:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, we'll talk more. We'll have a whole episode on AI editing at some stage. Because you've been using Imogen. Imagine how they pronounce it and enjoying it. Did you. I sent you a video. Did you watch it? Taylor Jackson? [01:13:15] Speaker B: I haven't it. No, not yet. [01:13:19] Speaker A: I think it was like two weeks ago. The. I think it was about Imogen. It was about just some of the new features with subject masks and coloring and straightening. The culling one was super interesting. So he. You know, it's a beta feature that could be available on yours now if you have a look, if they're sort of rolling it out a little bit at a time. And you can choose how loose it is and what it does. So I think his. There would be like a three star, a four star and a five star kind of thing or something like that. How he did it so he could select fours, I think. And he called like a three and a half thousand photo wedding down to it's like 1700. So it wasn't like a ruthless cull, but it was just like getting rid of duplicates and. And picking the ones with the eyes open and stuff like that. From what I could tell, it was. It was very brief, but it was really good. Taylor Jackson's a legend. Come on our podcast. Taylor. He then just edits that whole 1700 through Imogen with. He actually used. He's got his own profile, but he was using one of their presets as. [01:14:37] Speaker B: Well for this one should run a wedding through. [01:14:41] Speaker A: I was gonna say, should we do. We've got that march wedding coming up. Or you can do one before that. But maybe we should do that with. With a new. Like what? Just one of their presets and just try it just to a test. [01:14:53] Speaker B: It can't hurt. Like you could even just send a whole wedding to do it. Like, I've already edited. Just duplicate the catalog and. [01:15:00] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Just see the difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just have to have a look. They don't. They don't have a lot of. They've only got like two or three. I guess it's easy just to send a catalog over. But what. You know what you should do? This is what you should do. Grab like a sneak peek from maybe two or three weddings. Make a catalog out of that say, 200 photos max, maybe less, but just a good variety. And then do it on, like, the three or four presets that are the closest to what? Like, do it three or four times and see which. See if any of their presets are, like, a good. Because. Yeah, that. He was using one called warm skin or something like that. The skin looked a little too warm for my tastes, but a little orange or just a little bit. But it's also, like, only because I had a look on their website and stuff, and I still. Yeah, it wasn't. But it's so hard to know on their website because there's someone else's photos and. Yeah, we probably just need to do some tests. But I. I think he then. So he basically edited 1700 photos from this wedding through image and edited, and it came back cropped and straightened and edited. And then he went through them and got rid of extra photos and, like, tweaked any that he needed to tweak. And then I think he said it was, like an hour, and then the wedding was finished. And then he selects a sneak peek out of that. Gives it to him, like, on the night or the next day or something. And then the weddings. Yeah, that's what he said. So. [01:16:50] Speaker B: That's fast. That's it. [01:16:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:53] Speaker B: I haven't tried the straightening of the cropping yet. That's. [01:16:57] Speaker A: He said it works. Awesome. Maybe not. I don't know if he did cropping. He definitely did straightening because he said he does what I do. I could tell that the. When you shoot family photos, for some reason, they're all just slightly tilted. It's like, I do that, too. I don't know why. Yeah, I do. I don't know. It's just weird. I think it would be worth maybe trying just a whole different approach to your editing one day. Just like I. Yeah, because you've got it. You've got a routine that you've been doing now for five years. Like, this is how. Like, it's obviously. [01:17:33] Speaker B: Yeah, but it changed, like, in May when I switched over to imagine. [01:17:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:39] Speaker B: It changed dramatically. And even then, I wanted to finish the season out and then start, and I was like, why don't I just put a wedding through it and see how it goes? I was like, wow, this is actually great. [01:17:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:53] Speaker B: The last three or four from last season. [01:17:58] Speaker A: Yeah. But you're still. You're still sort of twelve weeks out from delivery or not. Twelve weeks. Ten weeks. Eight weeks. [01:18:04] Speaker B: Ten weeks. Yeah. Christmas ten weeks and family stuff. [01:18:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:18:09] Speaker B: But slow down. Where I'd like to be, but, yeah. [01:18:13] Speaker A: Like, by the sounds of this, you know, finish, you know, essentially you could roll into the office on a Tuesday and have the wedding done by the end of the day. [01:18:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:23] Speaker A: Because if he did in an hour, surely you could do it in 6 hours. You know, the same, the same kind of thing. [01:18:31] Speaker B: The same thing. [01:18:32] Speaker A: So it's like, could you take that approach where it's like you just, you finish a wedding in a day straight after it, like, could you, could you try that? Like that mindset, you just do a wedding and then you're like, all right, I'm gonna do this one today. Start to finish. Just test it and see if it works. [01:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:54] Speaker A: I don't know. Because, yeah, if, I mean, the cull doesn't take that long, but if they cut it more than in half, then it takes even less time. [01:19:07] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. And then you, if you're cuddling, like half, so say you shoot 5000 and if it culls it to two, two and a half, you're gonna have that cold in an hour doing it. And then you could even maybe do a second pass and really go hard. [01:19:24] Speaker A: Tighten it up and then, and then, yeah, get their edit done and then just go through and, and basically pull photos out that don't need to stay in there and, and, yeah, I don't know. [01:19:37] Speaker B: Um. [01:19:38] Speaker A: Do it. [01:19:39] Speaker B: Do their flies where his? [01:19:41] Speaker A: Huh? [01:19:42] Speaker B: Their flies? [01:19:43] Speaker A: Ah, no, no, no. There was none. It was like a destination wedding on an island. So that obviously. Yeah. When you have to spot, remove 600,000 australian flies from wedding in every photo. [01:20:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you remember that? Um, the wedding in bour. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Yes. [01:20:07] Speaker B: Caitlin and Wiz? Yeah, yeah, that was like literally 50 flies in every photo. [01:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah. That's one of those unknown things that, that people just don't know that wedding photographers do and. Wedding photographers, yeah. Do they get rid of them some. That's a good question. Hey, if you're listening to this podcast and you're a wedding photographer, do you get rid of flies out of photos? And I'm not talking if there's like one obvious fly. Yeah, of course you're gonna get rid of that. But I mean, like, outdoor ceremony, people would, especially if it's on someone's face. But, but if you. But if you're. It's an entire outdoor ceremony, 30 or 40 flies in every shot on, on people. Do you get rid of them or not? Because we do. [01:20:57] Speaker B: Let us know. [01:20:58] Speaker A: Yeah, let us know. Put it in the comments below if you listen to this later. [01:21:02] Speaker B: Lots of things we both see things differently, though. I'll be getting rid of something, and then you'll say, are you getting rid of this? And I didn't even see that. But I've been getting rid of this other thing that's really been bugging me. My power. I hate PowerPoints and random lights and roofs. They probably don't have. [01:21:24] Speaker A: Yeah. My most hated things is fire extinguishers and exit signs. If venues and the government could be a little less stringent on people getting safely out in the event of a fire, that would make for better photos. That's what I think I do enjoy. [01:21:44] Speaker B: The venues that have a painted exit sign. [01:21:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Just to blend it in a little bit. [01:21:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:52] Speaker A: Just hope they don't have a fire. [01:21:54] Speaker B: Yeah. A little sneaky. A little sneaky. [01:21:57] Speaker A: Little sneaky. Little sneaky. Maybe I should. What if I. I'll show you some of the photos that we got last night. Okay. [01:22:07] Speaker B: Yelena had a question. Don't want to bring that. Yeah. [01:22:10] Speaker A: Oh, last minute. What is it? Last minute wedding or sick photographer? Was it. Was it me? Did I pull out on a wedding that you now have to shoot? Jim? Is that what happened? [01:22:22] Speaker B: No, you didn't. Um, it was so. I don't know the full story, but they had someone else booked, and that person had kind of gone quiet, so they, you know, wasn't responding to emails or calls and stuff like that. And, um. [01:22:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:44] Speaker B: Where this person. Yeah. Very different end of the, like, price scale. Price range. [01:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:55] Speaker B: But, yeah, they got in touch, and it was a Sunday, so I was available. You could jump in. It's only a short, short wedding. And it wasn't. Wasn't Justin. [01:23:08] Speaker A: It wasn't me. Wasn't me. [01:23:16] Speaker B: Here. [01:23:19] Speaker A: Let me see if I can share my screen. See how well my new preset works. Let's make it a new preset. [01:23:32] Speaker B: Elena, I'll jump on this. It wasn't a triple header weekend. It's a wedding in feb. So I actually was. I booked myself out, but because it was last minute and only a short wedding, I think only for 3 hours, I did take it on. So. [01:23:54] Speaker A: Why does it always do that? [01:23:59] Speaker B: So this is last night. Shoot in the rain. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Yeah, shooting in the rain. So that's the raw file. Pretty dark. That was it. 1600. So let's see if this works. [01:24:14] Speaker B: What time of day was this? Not bad subject. Yeah. Yeah, I'd go again. [01:24:26] Speaker A: Sorry. Can you hang on? I'll go back. An auto mask, this new preset slider. Things kind of cool. [01:24:41] Speaker B: It was. [01:24:42] Speaker A: Let's just go 200%. But, like, they've got it in the masking. [01:24:47] Speaker B: Have you seen it in the masking side as well? [01:24:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:24:52] Speaker B: And I actually found that really handy because you can kind of dial it in and then go, oh, pull it back a smidge, or. [01:24:57] Speaker A: But this is actually affecting. So this has got a subject mask on as well. So he's got a subject mask auto detected on in the preset, but then. [01:25:09] Speaker B: Just bring that mask off again. Wow, that's good. [01:25:16] Speaker A: Pretty close, right? Auto subject detect? Yeah. [01:25:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:21] Speaker A: So it's like, you know, like, it's not doing much on this image, but, like, normally, I probably wouldn't worry about it that I made two presets, one with it and one without it. I probably. [01:25:30] Speaker B: What's your last? [01:25:31] Speaker A: Actually doing a little bit of shadows clarity, because basically, I'm decreasing the texture and clarity of the background image. So this is all the. A bit softer, and then this is got more clarity. So you're really seeing, like, the water beating off his pants and stuff like that. By lifting the shadows and the clarity, I probably would normally wouldn't go that far. Like, I just have it. So it's got a bit more contrast. But this preset slider thing, what's cool is it not only affects how much the overall preset is affecting the background and stuff, like our normal develop settings, but it is actually affecting that mask as well. So if you watch this, you see he's getting darker. [01:26:17] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [01:26:19] Speaker A: It is way over, like, boosted. But, like. So this preset slider for, like, a quick. Throw a preset on, and you're just like, oh, it's a bit too. You know, it's a bit too hyped. Bring it down a little bit. Or it needs a little bit more or whatever. Like. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of. [01:26:36] Speaker B: It's almost like a yemenite. Yeah. You just adjusting. I like it. Just. [01:26:43] Speaker A: Just tweaking it. Yeah, it was good, but otherwise, it was just really, really, really rainy. [01:26:49] Speaker B: Um, just. Are you allowed to show this bike? [01:26:52] Speaker A: Good point. Give it on the down low. Give it on the down low. I don't think anyone. I don't think anyone saw that. I don't know. I saw that. [01:27:05] Speaker B: Lucky we're not live lucky. [01:27:07] Speaker A: We're not live lucky. No one is an actual mountain biker. And I think that was only front on, right? [01:27:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:27:20] Speaker A: So could you even tell what bike it was? Don't say it. [01:27:25] Speaker B: Actually, I don't dunno. Maybe. Is it like, your old bike that you sold one back? Is that the brand? [01:27:31] Speaker A: No. [01:27:32] Speaker B: No. Okay. [01:27:33] Speaker A: Miles so then I'm safe. I'm safe. Way for wait a. Make me scared that the mountain bikes after me for breaking an embargo. If you're, uh oh. Apparently I've been fired. [01:27:55] Speaker B: From where did you later fight from? [01:27:57] Speaker A: From. From me. From flow. If you're listening, you don't know that. A lot of times, if you're reviewing a product, they'll get sent out before the products launch so that publications can review them. And that happens, obviously, in the mountain bike world all the time. They send out bikes before the bikes are launched to the public, and then they all get launched when the embargo ends at a particular day and time in the future. So this bike might be coming out next week or the week after or something like that. So until that happens, sharing photos where you could actually see the bike is a big no no. That's how that works. But you also ride it around in public to take the photos. So there's that. [01:28:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's not like it's covered in those funny black and white squares like the cars when they're the cars being tested. [01:28:45] Speaker A: That's right, yeah. Fun times. Well, anything else to talk about? [01:28:57] Speaker B: I've got a. It's just photography. Right. I've got a venue, open night tonight, so gearing up for that, sort of. I'll start packing as soon as I finished here. [01:29:07] Speaker A: Mm hmm. So you're still finding open days and expos and things are still part of your marketing mix for weddings? [01:29:17] Speaker B: Not so much open days, select venues I will sort of work with. I think it's important to support the venues. Like, when they have their open day, it's huge for them, and we're not huge for them, but, you know, showing that support and, you know, they help. We're all trying to help each other at the end of the day, you know, giving them good content so they can post good photos, so they can get more weddings, which in turn gets me more weddings, and it's better for everybody. [01:29:52] Speaker A: Where is the. Where is the open day tomorrow? [01:29:57] Speaker B: Chandleray in Mandarin. So it's a tasting night. So it's a pre booked thing. I think there's about, like, almost 30 couples coming. [01:30:07] Speaker A: So a lot of those couples already booked often, I think it's going to. [01:30:13] Speaker B: Like, I think it's like a 50 50 of summer booked and summer potentially going to book. [01:30:19] Speaker A: But the fact that they've. [01:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I think they have to pay to come to the tasting, so they've got to, say, pay for the meal that they're going to taste and see if they like that for them, for their wedding or. Because I think they do like a bit of a canopy deal and there's like a sit down dinner. So it's pretty, pretty cool and it's a good chance to meet, meet some potential, like couples and that sort of thing. I've had a chat with a few that I'm going to see tonight, essentially, so sort of had a pre chat, and we'll chat a bit more about their plans and what they're thinking for their wedding. [01:30:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. You're taking much stuff out there. [01:31:02] Speaker B: I'm going to take an iMac. My old imac, which is currently my lut. [01:31:11] Speaker A: Is your. Can you pick, is your phone, like, attached to stuff or can you pick it up and show people your monitor lite? Jim's nice softbox is just a white imac widescreen turned upside. [01:31:26] Speaker B: So just before we started this, because last time I fluked it and it was, I'd opened a webpage that was white or it didn't load or something, and it was just there and then I was like, oh, that actually kind of works. And then this time I just put into google white screen and I found a hundred hour recording. No, 10 hours. I don't know, a really long recording of on a YouTube of just a white screen. [01:31:59] Speaker A: You're streaming a white screen? [01:32:02] Speaker B: I'm streaming. I could pause. I don't know what I was gonna say. [01:32:04] Speaker A: Why don't you just pause it? You're using, like, you're just using data for no reason. So you're streaming a white screen. That doesn't change. Wow. That's different. [01:32:14] Speaker B: And you want to know something crazy? [01:32:18] Speaker A: Tell me. [01:32:19] Speaker B: 38 million views on the white screen. On a 24 hours of pure white screen, man. [01:32:28] Speaker A: I'm gonna. Do you think if I did the same thing, I'd get a copyright strike from YouTube for stealing their content? Is that how that works? [01:32:40] Speaker B: The second caption is, this video has helped me through some dark times. [01:32:47] Speaker A: That's pretty good. [01:32:48] Speaker B: 28,000. That's pretty good. [01:32:51] Speaker A: That's. Yeah, that's a. That's a fucking good comment. [01:32:56] Speaker B: But yeah, I was streaming a while. I don't know why playing, but someone just made 2 hours worth of ad content. There's no ads in it, so I don't know. So they make money off that. [01:33:05] Speaker A: Oh, they possibly couldn't monetize it. I don't know. It depends. That's weird. No, I mean, you got to be able to. Yeah. YouTube might have stopped them from monetizing it maybe, I don't know. Who knows? That's weird. [01:33:22] Speaker B: But maybe they've done it their channel. Apparently it's a thing. What if there's like different. Different colors? [01:33:32] Speaker A: Well, you know, you could just make a desktop background of whatever color you want. [01:33:37] Speaker B: But I was going to do it in Photoshop. Yeah, but I got lazy. [01:33:40] Speaker A: But that's the, that's the hot hack, is if you've got an old iMac, just white background, maybe don't stream the 38 million streamed YouTube video and just make a white background. But, you know, can you turn. Turn the brightness down? Have you got the keyboard there for the. That one? Like, if you turn it all the way off, that's off. Yeah. So that's the difference. [01:34:01] Speaker B: Obviously, a bit of light coming from. [01:34:02] Speaker A: My front screen, offering your front screen. [01:34:04] Speaker B: And then you just. That's full brightness, so it's actually a bit too hot. [01:34:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:10] Speaker B: So about half ways for this, I could probably drop my front screen brightness a bit more too, and get a bit more direction coming from the side. But I've also got a laptop down here that's probably giving some fill. [01:34:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it does look like you're not. Yeah, it's sort of got a bit of light up light as well. [01:34:28] Speaker B: I can. Hang on. What about if I drop that? See, look at my neck. [01:34:37] Speaker A: I'm currently. This is the 16 mil. The cheap 16 mil lenses is what I'm currently. [01:34:45] Speaker B: So we have the opposite setup, don't we? [01:34:47] Speaker A: What do you mean? [01:34:49] Speaker B: Well, I'm using an imac with a white screen. I borrowed your phone tripod running my phone as my camera. [01:34:58] Speaker A: And I've got a new drive and enough video aperture, 120 d video light and all the. All the stuff. Use some stuff so that I look a bit crisper. Yeah. But no, I'm testing out the 16 mil lens as a webcam lens because on crop mode for video, 16 mil comes out to, like, I know, 24 or something. And it's. Yeah, it's kind of the perfect frame for. For this size. So I'm happy with it. Where have you gone? What's going on? [01:35:33] Speaker B: If. Hang on. [01:35:37] Speaker A: No, that's all right. I'll just. I'll try and hold the show down by myself. [01:35:39] Speaker B: I'm here, I'm here. There we go. [01:35:44] Speaker A: What have you done? [01:35:46] Speaker B: Someone's trying to call me. I didn't put my phone on do not disturb today because I thought that when I was in this software that it just didn't let people call. But I think that's because last week I did put it on do not disturb. [01:35:58] Speaker A: Ah, yes. [01:36:00] Speaker B: So. [01:36:01] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. [01:36:03] Speaker B: We're slowly evolving the setups, aren't we? [01:36:06] Speaker A: Slowly evolving. I'm sort of happy with mine. I got a bit of glare going off my head today. I don't know, I didn't actually set. Take very long to set the light up before this show started. Whereas last time it took like half an hour to get everything sorted. Yeah. When you buy a new camera. [01:36:26] Speaker B: When. When z nine s are a bit more affordable. Affordable. [01:36:30] Speaker A: Can you, can you ever see yourself getting into video or you just like photography's. Photography is the main jam. [01:36:39] Speaker B: I definitely. Can I no. Like what you. What you're shooting really interests me. Are not like weddings or. [01:36:51] Speaker A: No, I think I would actually. Although my best buddy, favorite photographer in the world, Taylor Jackson, who I've been, I've been. I don't know why. I've been just like, his content's been hitting me on YouTube a lot and I really enjoy it. He's got a little podcast going on and. Yeah, good content. But he shoots hybrid, like a lot for, for a lot of weddings. [01:37:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:14] Speaker A: And so he's photographer and video in one. Crazy. I don't know how he does it. [01:37:20] Speaker B: Which. A lot of cameras. [01:37:22] Speaker A: No, he often does it with one and a backup or sometimes two. [01:37:29] Speaker B: Like, what's he deliver? Look, I guess. [01:37:32] Speaker A: Is it just like a highlight type thing, man? I think it's mainly a highlight thing. He's not, he's not setting up like crazy. Multiple camera, audio, all that kind of stuff. It's like a video highlight reel. He's actually got a course. I'm an affiliate. I'll make some commission if you buy it. Not really, but he's got a course on how to shoot hybrid, I'm pretty sure, but I think he's also put out a heap of content on it. I should probably check it out because I do shoot hybrid for not weddings. [01:38:03] Speaker B: It'll pass over, though. It's all like. It's all the same. [01:38:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. The techniques are the same, unfortunately. You sort of. He stopped. Where are we? Stopped shooting with canon mainly. Mainly on Sony now. So it's slightly less, you know, slightly less useful for me. But he kind of still does both. But, yeah, so he's got a heap of videos where it's like, where he actually just shows like, this is a full wedding doing hybrid video and stuff and. Yeah, he's got heaps of videos on the. How he does it and what certain cameras are like for it and the letdowns and all that sort of stuff. So if you wanted to learn about it, he teaches about, I think he's. Yeah, he's got way more videos than this. I've definitely seen more. [01:38:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:54] Speaker A: But whether it. I did, you know, whether it's worth it, it's a lot of extra hassle and, you know, things to concentrate on when you're primarily getting booked. Like, would couples pay any more for it? Don't know. [01:39:17] Speaker B: But then does the expectation change as well? Like you're supposed to be then expected to get everything you normally get, but then also get like kind of what. [01:39:30] Speaker A: A full videographer would get potentially, you know, because if that, if that's what they're weighing up, like, oh, do we get Jim to do hybrid or do we get, you know, Jim and this other videographer and then they choose you and they expect you to do what the other videographer was going to do? Potentially, yeah, it's probably, it's probably not worth the hassle, but it could be worth checking your stuff out just to see how hard it is. Because it could be something that you could do if you could get your head around it to start with. Mainly for marketing, you know, definitely, like we talked about probably twelve months mixing in some, you know, footage with photos for reels and stuff like that, you know, so it's like slow mo walking and then it's, you know, the photo and you do the little shadow noise and stuff and, you know, could be cool for that, for that kind of thing. But I, you know, you can get it if it's mainly for that. You can get a videographer to come for one day and get the content you need to do that without you having to, you know. [01:40:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:34] Speaker A: Get set up for video and, you know, do it all. It's probably. If it was mainly for marketing purposes, you'd be better off just, just paying someone to come and do it for one day for 2 hours, you know. [01:40:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:40:49] Speaker B: You've muted your mark. [01:40:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Random click. Maybe I would even do it for you one day. We'll see. [01:40:55] Speaker B: I've been thinking about that. [01:40:58] Speaker A: I should. [01:40:58] Speaker B: Didn't know how to ask nicely enough. [01:41:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I'll do it. I'll do it Monday. [01:41:05] Speaker B: We need the right, needs to be the right wedding though, like the right. Yeah. [01:41:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Cool couple, cool venue. [01:41:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:16] Speaker A: Bit of a party. [01:41:19] Speaker B: But. Mmm. Todd to know before the wedding though, which is the right one. [01:41:24] Speaker A: It is. It's a bad one, actually. [01:41:26] Speaker B: Got a. I've got a cool one in March that, um, it's gonna be yeah, a bit of. A. Bit of a party, but they're doing photos beforehand, which is never. It works well for timelines and stuff like that, but never as well for photos. [01:41:46] Speaker A: No, I agree. It always makes you more in the middle of the day, and it's a little bit disjointed in terms of the way everyone feels and. Yeah, yeah. [01:41:58] Speaker B: But it can. You can also work if you do a bit of that and then you maybe spend an extra ten minutes at sort of last light sunset. [01:42:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So mix it up between the two of them. But, yeah, I just think that the bridal party and stuff before and that kind of thing, it's never the vibes, never the same as it is. [01:42:21] Speaker B: Never overly excited. Like, everyone's pumped. [01:42:23] Speaker A: No, it's a bit. A bit chill. Everyone's still nervous about the ceremony, you know, like the bride and groom and stuff, or people are still thinking about something they've got to do in the ceremony and. [01:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But also, I guess when we're probably also not saying that you should only do photos after. And that's the most important thing, because we also think that people getting back and enjoying that party that you set up for everyone else is super important. [01:42:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. [01:42:55] Speaker B: Like, we're not saying, yeah, you should just go and have photo. You know, a photo shoot. It's about balance. Everything's about balance. Getting the most out of each part of your day, time wise. [01:43:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. I agree. I agree. Hey, I'm thinking about. On a completely unrelated topic, not to change the subject, away from weddings, I love shooting them so much. But on a completely unrelated topic, I'm thinking about getting the other loop deck. Like the. The. [01:43:27] Speaker B: Which one? Because it's like four, isn't it? [01:43:30] Speaker A: Smaller one. The CT. The loop deck Ct. [01:43:38] Speaker B: Bring it up. [01:43:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll pull it up. [01:43:41] Speaker B: Jimmy, while you're. While you're doing that, I'm going to run through some questions that we've got from Grant. [01:43:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:43:48] Speaker B: Does Dauntless have shares in the camera life podcast? [01:43:52] Speaker A: No, Yelena just really likes commenting, and it's great because otherwise, no one else comments. So thank you, Yelena. [01:44:00] Speaker B: I don't. I don't know if he's commenting about Yelena. I think he's commenting about your shirt and also. [01:44:06] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't even notice. Yeah. [01:44:10] Speaker B: Whoops. [01:44:11] Speaker A: I'll have to get some new lucky merch printed. If anyone's got any ideas for t shirts. The other thing that Grant and I were talking about while you're away, we held the fort down. We need to get some camera life merch made. [01:44:25] Speaker B: Yeah, let's do it. Yep. [01:44:29] Speaker A: That's the plan. Yeah. Well done, Jimbo. Yeah, we will. We will definitely get some camera life merch made. I might even do some camera life camera straps, but I think I. Some t shirts, maybe some hoodies. I don't know. I don't know what design, though. Maybe you know what would be interesting? Just instead of that, like just camera life. [01:44:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:44:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:00] Speaker B: And get rid of the podcast bit too. [01:45:03] Speaker A: Oh, the podcast bit isn't in that. The brand most of the time it's for the podcast. So. [01:45:08] Speaker B: Okay, so just camera life, I don't mind. [01:45:14] Speaker A: And then the little camera could do some stuff, but I don't know because that's the other thing you could get. The little camera could be just on a, on a different t shirt. Could just be a big print. [01:45:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Just like print on the back. [01:45:26] Speaker A: Yeah, on the. [01:45:27] Speaker B: Nah, I think on the front you'd go a little one and then you got a big one on the back. Or you'd go small word on the front, I think big logos in the front. I'm not, not about it. [01:45:41] Speaker A: Not about. [01:45:41] Speaker B: If your shirt had that big logo on. Big. So that logo big, it wouldn't look right. [01:45:49] Speaker A: Interesting. Well, we'll work on that. We'll work on some new lucky merch. Maybe we can give some away through the podcast to our live listeners. [01:45:59] Speaker B: See you later. [01:46:00] Speaker A: What was I doing? I'm gonna do, at some point I'm going to do a big giveaway through this podcast, but I've got to wait till we have more than a handful of live viewers. Yeah, but I'm going to do through lucky quite a large giveaway one day. I just haven't figured out how to run it, but I think it'll be based on like, basically a live comment. But I'm worried then people will just like, spam the comments with gibberish. I don't know how to go about it. Don't know. [01:46:36] Speaker B: Now you get a. Yeah, it's a better question, I guess, that they've asked during the podcast that we've maybe answered. [01:46:43] Speaker A: Um, yeah. Huh. What, what question? [01:46:49] Speaker B: Like, we could get them to ask us a question. Oh, question. So it's not just. Yeah, it has to be a question or, you know, or a statement or, you know, or they've answered a question or. [01:47:02] Speaker A: Yeah, and maybe we'll say if you, if you comment the same thing twice, you. You disqualified because I just missed it. Spam it. [01:47:12] Speaker B: I'm Grant wants to know, has your background changed? [01:47:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I saw. I didn't know. It's kind of the same. Oh, maybe the lighting is different, Grant. I think I've got orange lights instead of blue lights. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, but other than that it's pretty much the same. [01:47:27] Speaker B: I'm gonna get some colored lights, I think. [01:47:35] Speaker A: And you are on the news in Japan. Grant, any views from Japan for the strap? Since I was showing it off on the japanese news. Well, did you get any footage of yourself getting interviewed by the japanese news with the camera strap on? That would be very helpful for me. If you could send that through for Eilish filmed you maybe, or something. Please, Grant. Thank you. Please and thank you. Goodbye. So it's this one. And I didn't want this one to start with. I was like, I want dedicated knobs for all of the stuff and that kind of thing, and I don't. Because these knobs, they've got no, like, you know, the name comes up next to them and it changes depending on the thing and. But what I've. What I think is how I want to work is one hand on the loop deck, one hand on the mouse, and then I'll customize the loop deck to do a lot of the. The main things that I want to use it for. Which. Because if I'm doing a fast edit, you know, the main stuff is, um. You know, exposure white balance gets changed on almost every photo. A really fast copy paste. And I believe this has a quick way to do, like, a batch, but. [01:48:58] Speaker B: The other one does that too. Does copy paste? [01:49:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. No, the other one does it fine. This is smaller, so it can stay on my desk all the time instead of me moving it in and out of the way. It is annoying because it's like a one hand. It would sit next to my laptop as a one hand operation. [01:49:14] Speaker B: Yeah, you just have left hand, right hand and look. [01:49:17] Speaker A: €499. To get something that's slightly different but kind of the same is probably a waste of money. [01:49:23] Speaker B: Doesn't sound like a Justin thing. [01:49:25] Speaker A: No, I'll let you test it out. But the other thing is, I think for final cut, for video editing, like having this stuff, because you can do it with Loupedeck plus the old school one, you can use it for final cut, but there's no way you have to kind of memorize what each button does, whereas here you can literally see speed and all that kind of stuff. When you go into final cut, the buttons change. [01:49:52] Speaker B: So those purple buttons are. They like a little screen or something. [01:49:55] Speaker A: They're screens and this is a screen too, where it says highlights. That's different depending on it's a screen. So like, um, they keep showing. Unfortunately this is what they show for, like, all of the photos. They must have only got one, one good photo. I'm like, why aren't you showing me all the different, like, where's the lightroom? You know, show me what it looks like on lightroom. And I'm like, that's all they've got. Which is kind of annoying, but yeah, so compared to this, which has, I thought it would be better having dedicated knobs for everything in lightroom, but like the amount of times I've used those HSL dials, because if I go to h, I use the mouse. If I end up doing HSl stuff, I don't know why, it just, I. [01:50:35] Speaker B: Can never use those dials. [01:50:37] Speaker A: So I thought I was going to use them a bit and it would actually make me use HSL more, but I didn't. So I'm thinking this will be better. I also think it's probably a waste of money and I'll figure it out from there. [01:50:52] Speaker B: Maybe sit on it for. [01:50:54] Speaker A: I think sitting on it might break it. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm keen on it. Yeah, I'm keen on it. What else? Nothing else. I'm buying, I don't think. Probably not. [01:51:13] Speaker B: Another r three? [01:51:15] Speaker A: Nah, I need two of them. I like having one camera. I love this camera though. I love it. I love it so much. It's the best camera. [01:51:25] Speaker B: Except for the day 50. [01:51:27] Speaker A: This is way better than da 50. [01:51:30] Speaker B: That's better. [01:51:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it's way better. Way better in every way. Maybe not every way. It's not better in resolution, but every other way it's better. [01:51:47] Speaker B: I still enjoy my day at fifties. [01:51:49] Speaker A: I think they're okay. [01:51:52] Speaker B: Pretty good. [01:51:53] Speaker A: They're okay, but they're, they're on the way out. They're dying. [01:51:58] Speaker B: They're not dying. They will. They are the best DSLR ever made and probably will be. [01:52:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Just like there was the best steam train ever made. But it's not. It's fucking 2023, man. [01:52:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it gets the job done. [01:52:19] Speaker A: Things change. [01:52:21] Speaker B: Hey, you miss the how tack sharp the 28 and the 105 were? [01:52:29] Speaker A: Yeah, those lenses are great. You know what else is great on the 28? 70 f two. The 28 to 70 f two. [01:52:36] Speaker B: That's not as tack sharp. [01:52:39] Speaker A: Oh, okay, challenge accepted. [01:52:42] Speaker B: You reckon it's sharp? [01:52:44] Speaker A: It's fucking sharp. Let's test it. I'll put it on the five reals. And you can. And we can. We'll see. [01:52:53] Speaker B: Okay. [01:52:55] Speaker A: Do you want to throw the 58 in the mix there, champ? Oh, softy mix. Soft, soft. You want to give that one a go. [01:53:04] Speaker B: Although it's not if you know how to use it. That is a beautiful lens. [01:53:08] Speaker A: Oh, come on. It's not a small penis. That's how you use it. No, it's a soft lens, but it's a nice lens. But it's not a beautiful lens. [01:53:19] Speaker B: It's a beautiful lens. [01:53:21] Speaker A: It's lightweight. I like that. [01:53:23] Speaker B: That's very fancy. [01:53:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:53:26] Speaker B: I do miss how sharp even just having a 51.8 Washington. Yeah, that's stupidly sharp. [01:53:33] Speaker A: But I would. Yeah, but jank, they. What's your gut feeling when you change cameras? Do you reckon you'll stay with Nikon or you go to, like, when you go from DSLR to mirrorless, which will happen once they stop servicing steam trains. You're gonna have to go to a different method of transport. Will you stay with Nikon or will you change, like, what would you, what's your percentage chance on staying with Nick on versus changing to another brand? Any other brand. [01:54:03] Speaker B: Staying would only be for comfortability. Like knowing how the kind of the menus work. [01:54:08] Speaker A: And that's all the same. Pretty much, yeah. [01:54:11] Speaker B: I know. [01:54:12] Speaker A: Not with Sony. Not with Sony. Apparently. Sony's balls. But the canon menu didn't take that long. Sort of. [01:54:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I shot with the r five, wasn't it? [01:54:24] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. [01:54:25] Speaker B: Whether for three days the first hour I definitely fumbled my way through the photos and definitely zoomed in when I meant to zoom out and a few things like that. [01:54:36] Speaker A: But the fact that canon, Nikon did that, that's like the biggest fuck around that they do. You think they did that to like kind of stop people from swapping from brand to brand and stuff. Like having the zoom rings go the opposite direction. [01:54:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:54:50] Speaker A: Because that's unnecessary. [01:54:53] Speaker B: Like, it's just, I don't even use it. I don't. I don't use zoom so I don't even know how, like. But it just doesn't can. I used to use them but I don't use them anymore. But it still just messes me up and even when I think about it, I'd still stuff it up. [01:55:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Took me a long time to get used to Nikon after switching from Canon and it's taken me a long time to get back to yester Cannon. Yeah, but I'm back now. It's all good, but. Yeah, it's just, it's an unnecessary difference in camera systems. There should be a law. It's like you can only zoom this one way. [01:55:27] Speaker B: To be fair. I don't know what I'll do. I haven't, I guess, made up my mind on that. [01:55:32] Speaker A: No, but, like, watch it. Yeah. You're not like, oh, no, 100% staying with Nikon and you're also not 100% changing. You're somewhere in the middle. [01:55:42] Speaker B: I'm completely open. Yeah. [01:55:44] Speaker A: Are you 50 50? [01:55:47] Speaker B: I'm probably 50, yeah, 50% maybe staying in the 50% is, I guess, open to Canon, Sony NPA. [01:55:57] Speaker A: Are you an NP's member still? Yeah or no? Do you have to pay? [01:56:03] Speaker B: No. No. [01:56:04] Speaker A: You sure? Have they introduced Nick on NP's? You have to pay for Cannon to be a member. What's happening? You screw. [01:56:16] Speaker B: Yeah, because I paused at my. I'll start it again. My slideshow started. Yeah. [01:56:28] Speaker A: You've got to pay to be a canon professional services member. Okay. Yeah. So seem to have pricing on the Nikon page. You mustn't have to with Nikon. I never did, obviously, but I thought they might have changed it in the last couple of years. [01:56:42] Speaker B: No, there's requirements on lens ownership. I think you have to have three 2.8 zooms or three 1.4 primes. [01:56:52] Speaker A: Yeah, same. [01:56:53] Speaker B: And like. And like a full. Two full frame bodies or something. [01:56:57] Speaker A: Same with CPSD. And I was just lazy because I, like, I bought all this cannon gear a few years ago and just, I was like, oh, at some point I'll sign up for CPS. I just haven't. [01:57:05] Speaker B: When you need it. [01:57:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, when I need it. And then when, you know, when my buttons stopped working on my weather sealed, weather sealed camera, when I was out in the weather and the ceiling stopped, it didn't stop the water coming in. So my button on my switch and my switch stopped working. Then I googled CPS and I was like, I better sign up for this shit. And, yeah, it's like, it's a year, which I don't mind paying. I just. I wonder because that's obviously. That's not gonna go much towards, like, running CPS. It's. It's sort of. It seems like it's almost like a token thing to stop people from just signing up for it for no reason kind of thing. Yeah, to kind of keep it more professional or something. Or more. Or just have less members to service. [01:57:50] Speaker B: Do you get anything for, like, do you get anything being a member? Like, is it free body cleans or. [01:57:55] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, five. Five cleans. A year. And just then you get. You get 30% off repairs. And that. That's always interesting because it's like, well, what a repair? Like you guys make the prices up. So I don't even know what that means. You know, like it took us 4 hours later, you know, instead of if, hey Jim, if you give me a year, I'll give you 30% off photography services. What are your prices? I'm not. I'm not telling. I'll tell you when you get some photography done and I'll give you the invoice that's got 30% off it. You know, like you have no way of knowing what the repair costs are beforehand. So I'm sure that's 30% off. But still, that I don't know. And other than that, yeah. Body cleanings and just the shipping back and forth and all that kind of stuff. I think they have like a service within a certain amount of days and. And that kind of thing. Same as NP's. But I don't know. It was just interesting that it was $100 and NP's is free. [01:58:55] Speaker B: Okay. But yeah. No, no costs for NP's. It's been. And to be fair, they've been amazing. [01:59:02] Speaker A: Over the years sometimes. [01:59:06] Speaker B: No, they haven't. Good. They have really been good. [01:59:09] Speaker A: They've never sent stuff to the wrong place or um. [01:59:14] Speaker B: Oh, they've sent stuff to your house. [01:59:15] Speaker A: No. Not updated system. After asking like nine times. [01:59:20] Speaker B: Yeah, there's those things. But they've also sent that like I had a job interstate that I was still at home for and then they sent my camera interstate to a pub. [01:59:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:59:31] Speaker B: It's pretty selected from in three days time. So it's guaranteed that it was there for the shoot. [01:59:37] Speaker A: I. Yeah. [01:59:39] Speaker B: Like things like that, like they do go above and beyond to get you out of trouble. [01:59:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I had a lot of trouble with that. And did you had two? I'm trying to remember focusing, troubleshooting. Focusing on a camera that just wouldn't. Wouldn't focus correctly. It was always back or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. [02:00:03] Speaker B: I had. Yeah. To send it back a few times. [02:00:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:00:06] Speaker B: I think it was the lens. Think the lens was out. [02:00:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:00:10] Speaker B: But they know it ended up being the um. The filter. The uv filter took that off and it was. [02:00:20] Speaker A: Yeah, that's not. I think I had. I'm trying to remember as well. I had the same kind of issue when it was going back and forth with them. And they were kind of saying it was. It's all within spec. You know, like they would send it back and they were like, it's within spec. I'm not sure what you're seeing. And I'm like, well, it's not. And then they ended up. I had to send the lens and the camera back and they were like, oh, it's something to do with the way the lens and the camera are interacting. And I was like, okay, I told you there was a problem. Like, but they just wouldn't. They would just test the camera and be like, no, it's fine. [02:00:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I had that too. [02:00:52] Speaker A: Yes. [02:00:52] Speaker B: I reckon it was 105, maybe. 105 things. [02:00:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I shouldn't. I shouldn't blame them too much because they probably get a million things coming through every day and people complaining and it's just user error. But yeah, I had that one circumstance where it actually wasn't user error. Yeah, the one time. [02:01:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna have to wrap because I've gotta get to this open day in an hour and a half and I've packed nothing. [02:01:20] Speaker A: All right, well, we'll wrap the show up there. Thanks. Listeners comment below, like to talk about next time. We'll bring it. [02:01:28] Speaker B: So next episode, we're gonna have our plan. [02:01:32] Speaker A: We will have our plan ready. And there's also a good chance we're just going to dig into each of our camera bags and we'll have a DSLR versus mirrorless showdown and see. Yep. People can comment on which kids better. What would they have? I'll put a poll up. Which would you rather. [02:01:57] Speaker B: I have to, because, like, the. My bag, the way that's set up in the car and stuff, I'll send you a photo so, like, we can put that in. So when I'm talking about how I use. Because my bags. Not just a bag, I guess. Yeah, the insert in the drawer. [02:02:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I know the insert. It was mine. Yeah, I know it. Well, my f stop bag now doesn't have camera dividers in it. It's just a shell. [02:02:27] Speaker B: What? [02:02:29] Speaker A: Because you've got my insert. [02:02:31] Speaker B: Oh. [02:02:33] Speaker A: So he's got like an empty backpack. [02:02:36] Speaker B: Do I need to get a new one? [02:02:38] Speaker A: No, I probably. I don't know. I wasn't too worried about it. I haven't used it. It's just another bag I've got on the shelf. Just another bag. That's what I should. I should start a YouTube series called just another bag. All right, you better go. [02:02:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I better go. I have to do. [02:02:55] Speaker A: Wrap this sucker up. Don't go yet. Hold on one moment. [02:02:59] Speaker B: Okay. [02:03:00] Speaker A: Goodbye, will. Bye.