What do you HATE about carrying your camera? (EP190)

[00:00:10] Speaker A: Snapping frames chasing light Shadows dance Day to night Land the sharp soul in [00:00:17] Speaker B: sight the camera whispers hold it tight Click, click Moments breathe Time captured in the breeze the camera light the flash ignites Frame the world world See it right? The camera. [00:00:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:00:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:44] Speaker C: That's pretty cool. I've missed it. I've missed it. [00:00:46] Speaker B: Old school. I know. It's a little throwback. [00:00:49] Speaker C: This is a bit of a throwback. Well, good morning, everybody. Welcome to a very sunny, sunny Monday. No, Thursday. I should say Thursday morning. It is the 11th of June, 2026, and you are watching the Camera Life podcast. A little bit of change of plans today, Justin. Originally we were extreme sports photographer from the U.S. corey Rich. But something came up and unfortunately, folks, you just stuck with the two of us again. [00:01:18] Speaker B: That's right. It's the joy of live podcast scheduling. It's kind of like these things happen. And to be honest, this hasn't happened much. This is episode 190 and it hasn't happened. A. Our guests are pretty amazing considering most of them have extremely busy lives. You know, these are working photographers that travel, do all sorts of stuff. So for schedules to get changed so infrequently, it's actually been pretty. I was thinking of that before. This is pretty rare, which is insane. [00:01:51] Speaker C: So I think it's testing my excellence of organizing guests. [00:01:54] Speaker A: Really? [00:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yes, exactly. It's definitely your organization. You're a little glitchy for me. Is anyone else getting Greg glitching or is it on my end or on Greg's end? Tell me, tell me in the chat, if you're here with us, is Greg glitching for you or just for me, or am I glitching? What's happening? Speaking of the chat, Philip Johnson was here early as always. Morning, Philip. And Dennis is here too, and he says, ooh, I see the phone number. That's right. The. The live call in number is on. And I tested it before the show. It was working. We were listening to. What were we listening to? She Drives Me Crazy by the Fine Young Cannibals just before the show went live to test that the Bluetooth was working. So if you want to call in, call the show. Plus 614-855-12370. You can call us from anywhere in the world. [00:03:00] Speaker C: We can. We've done that, haven't we? [00:03:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we've had. We've had a us call. [00:03:06] Speaker C: That's right. [00:03:08] Speaker B: That's right. [00:03:09] Speaker C: Yeah, it was. We had a lot of days. So rather than cancel today's podcast, we thought that we would just have a little discussion about something that's been on your mind or our minds. And so we thought we'd just dedicate a little bit of time this morning since we've already booked the airspace, just to talk about how people carry their cameras and what we love and what we hate about carrying cameras. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Basically how this came about yesterday. So I've been working on a lot of new product ideas. We even all got together. We all got together before I went to Bali and I like, I've got a pretty crazy collection here of, of various accessories that help you carry a camera from other camera straps from other brands to all sorts of stuff. And we had them just laid out on tables all in my, in my shed. So a lot of this has been on my mind lately and everything often design, unless you can have some sort of breakthrough, technological breakthrough design is always a compromise. Like when you add something over here, it might negatively impact this over there. More hardware for more adjustability means more stuff that gets in the way, bulky parts that annoy you and stuff like that. So it's like every thing is a design choice and a trade off. [00:04:45] Speaker C: And that always influenced the economics of it all. Well, there's that idea for say a strap or a new bag. But unless you can afford to make it and sell it at a reasonable pay for can be the best design in the world. But if it's too expensive, no one's going to buy it. [00:05:02] Speaker B: That's right. That's right. So yeah, on a whim yesterday I was like, you know what, I just, I know what, I know what a lot of people, me especially, but you know, people in my close circle like you and Jim and other photographers that I work with and know regularly, I know the sorts of frustrations they deal with. Obviously know from feedback that I've had from our tens of thousands of customers we've had all over the world. We regularly get a lot of reviews sent in. They're all basically always all five star, which is amazing. But that's often not a huge help because you're hearing from the people that like, it's, it's great because it validates that the choices that we made with our current product range were, were successful to those customers and reviews. Exactly. But I was like, what would happen if I just reached out and asked people like what, what are they hating about carrying a camera? Whether it's to do with our straps that they already own or something, something that a little frustration or a workaround that they're Having to fill or just anything. They don't, maybe they don't use a strap for some reasons or they use a competitor's product. But it's, it's good but it's not perfect and I wish it was something. Anyway, so I sent out an email to, to everyone I could think of, our whole list. So customers, non customers I've had. The replies started coming in fast too. I was a little bit worried. I was like people, maybe we'll just see this as like, you know, sometimes it's easy to think everyone else will reply to this. I don't need to, I don't need to do that. Yeah. So. And everyone thinks someone else will do it and then no one does it. But I think, you know, like the first reply come in like three minutes after sending the email. And yeah, so far I've had over 70 people have, have written like meaningful emails about what frustrates them about carrying their camera. And yeah, the, the info in there so far I haven't been, I haven't even been able to read them all. There's that many emails. But I've read a good chunk of them and I'll be replying to all of them too, which will be fun. The. Yeah, there's some really good stuff in here because. So that's got to be one of the main reasons that phones have become so much more popular than cameras for taking photos is because it fits in your pocket. So it's one of the easiest cameras that there is to carry and easy to use with decent image quality. So making our professional cameras easier to carry has got to be one of the most important things I think to do to help people shoot more and create more and work better in their business, whatever it is. That's the way I look at it. Anyway. What do you think? [00:08:03] Speaker C: No, I agree. I mean we've talked about, given the business we're in, we've talked about this sort of stuff lots about what's frustrating, what gets in the way. It was really interesting when we had that day in the shed with all of those other brands and where we could make changes to products. And it was really interesting seeing some of the design choices that other brands make about what they think camera strap should be. You know, and it went from everything, from this, this is just talking about camera straps from the simplest leather strap with a, you know, with it with a loop on each end, the ones that were seen very over engineered, lots of clips and buckles and sliders and really bulky stuff that just didn't feel, you know, it looked good on the website, but, you know, that's about as far as it goes. And, you know, I'm a big fan. I've written about this on the Lucky straps website for the blog blogs and for other brands about the importance of carrying your camera with you at all times, but more importantly, having your camera accessible at all times. And I think that for me, I've seen that as being a huge boon to my creativity, is that if I've got a camera in my hand, I'm always connected to it. I'm always mindful of looking for photos, looking for compositions, and the same with bags. And I wrote in my article last week about street photography for beginners, and I talked about just pare back your gear. Because if you're carrying a camera around in a bulky bag or one of those backpacks where you have to take the backpack off, open the back panel to get to it. The reason that you're getting your camera out, whatever it was that sparked you, your creativity, oh, I better grab my camera out. But more often than not, the shots changed by the time you get your camera out of your bag. One of the things that I hate about carrying a camera is when I have to have it in a bag on my back. Whilst it is the most comfortable solution for me in a lot of cases, like just having everything, you know, supported with a good, proper backpack, if I need to take a shot, I've got to go through several steps to get to it. [00:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:10:19] Speaker C: So, yeah, [00:10:22] Speaker B: just quickly, I'm gonna. I'm gonna jump out of here and jump back in because you're glitching for me a lot. And everyone, Philip Johnson and Dennis said, Greg is fine. It's you, Justin. So I'm gonna jump out and jump. [00:10:33] Speaker C: I read that. Thought Dennis was just saying, greg is fine. [00:10:38] Speaker B: Oh, you thought it was like, oh, he's damn, Greg's fine. [00:10:40] Speaker C: Damn, Greg, he's fine. You know, that doesn't happen often, so I'm gonna take the win. [00:10:46] Speaker B: All right, I'll be right back. All right. [00:10:53] Speaker C: Oh, God, he's gone. Oh, my God. Thanks, Dan. Greg is fine. [00:11:01] Speaker B: Yep. [00:11:02] Speaker C: Love you, brother. Sam is saying, hey, Sam, good to see you. Sam saying, I'm still glitchy, but I'm pretty sure it's Justin. Stuart Lyles joined the chat. Morning, everyone. Morning, Stuart. So we're waiting for the boss to come back. What do you guys think? You know, what are the pain points for you guys when it comes to carrying your cameras, Whether it be for hobby Photography enthusiast, photography professional. You know, what are your pain points for carrying cameras? Let us know in the comments. And if you're watching this later, as many people do on a Thursday morning, drop a comment in under the YouTube video, add a comment to that about what you think of the pain points and we'll certainly go through them all and, and have a look. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Dennis says, I thought a lot about the strap thing when the email came. Well, thanks, Dennis. I really appreciate your reply too. It's crazy. Yeah, I've had replies from, from podcast listeners, Podcast guests. Yeah, from, yeah, like I said, from people that use our straps and love them and from people that are like, hey, sorry, you know, I'm on your email list but, but I don't even use your straps here. And here's why. And I think that's the other thing is we all use our gear so differently. We might even have the same camera and use it in different ways for different reasons or obviously there's so many different cameras and lens combinations and all that sort of stuff. And yeah, we've all got different things, but where should I start? So first of all, I want to talk about some of the stuff that, that is on my mind about, like what bugs me about, about carrying a camera and. But if you're listening live, chime in in the chat, or even better, call that number top right of the screen. If you're In Australia, it's 048-551-2370. Or if you're in any other country in the world, use your dial out code and do 614-855-12370 and tell us what you hate about carrying a camera and what would make it easier, what would make you carry it more regularly, take it out and, or carry it for longer. But yeah, I think this is a big one. So Dennis says, fundamentally I do not use them. And I think that's a really common thing, especially with people that shoot a lot of video and photos and people that work on tripods a lot. Dennis works on tripods a lot, does a lot of video. And I think that's the thing is for a lot of people like that, it's just, it just gets in the way to use a strap. But there must be some things that bug you about not having a strap connected to the camera. Sometimes you're always looking for somewhere to put it down, you know, sometimes because that's the thing that annoys me. Like the reason I wanted a good camera strap to start with is I often do things with Two hands. Whether it's jumping over a fence at a wedding to get an angle on a shot that I want, as you do, or having to rearrange something, carry something, help with something, or even go the other direction, like when shooting travel photography and things like that. If I'm going to go out for hours, I don't really want to have to hold on to the camera for hours. Yeah, in one hand. You'll get a sore wrist. Oh, hang on. We got a caller. Let's see if. Let's see if the Bluetooth's working this morning. Hang on, Dennis, can you hear us? Hang on. Hold it. Hold the line. Hold. Hold the line, caller. We're doing it. Of course it works before the show and then doesn't work now. Can you hear me now? No, hold on, hold on. We're almost there. Every time. Why does it do this every time, Greg? [00:15:06] Speaker C: I don't know, boss. [00:15:07] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on, Dennis, hold on. We can't hear you yet. Wait for it. We're getting there. You're on speaker now, but that's still not it. We're going to make it, Rode. I just want to go to RDE's headquarters and have a good chat to them about their Bluetooth connectivity. Can you hear us now? [00:15:24] Speaker C: Yeah. There he is. [00:15:27] Speaker B: We've got you. Yes. [00:15:30] Speaker A: All right. Are we there? [00:15:31] Speaker B: You're there. [00:15:31] Speaker C: Yes, we are. [00:15:32] Speaker A: Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, you're nice and clear. Yeah. When I got your email yesterday, I was, I was really fascinated by that. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Why. [00:15:40] Speaker A: And I think, I think it takes. I think it takes courage as a product designer and producer to ask those hard questions. Right. Like it's. And the response, I think the response that you got is indicative of the people who are connected to you. But I, as a, as someone who does shoot a lot of video and stills, I was thinking about this after I hit send on the email. For me, the big one is that I'm swapping all the time. So I'll often be. When I'm working, I invariably have. Am swapping between a still and a video camera pretty constantly. So the camera is either sitting on. On a. On something, on a table, on the floor, on a thing, or the vast majority of the time I have a sling bag of some description. But when I'm out, so. So I'll give you an example. When I, When I'm out walking, like, if I go out for a wander, if I have the Q3, so if I have a small camera on me, I have a. I have a think tank, little think tank. Bag that just fits the camera and so I buy bags to suit the cameras. Now I tell you, when I do use a strap is, let's say I am away or I'm out with, you know, I'm not working or I'm not actively making images. Like if I'm out with Kyra, my wife or a thing, I will definitely use a strap. [00:17:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:20] Speaker A: Because the camera's just there and I kind of want it accessible or for whatever reason. But the big one for me, and this is what I mentioned in the email, is I, I just cannot have a strap of any type on the right hand side of any camera I'm holding because it gets in the way of my hand. [00:17:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm right there with you. And it's not, I do have it on the right hand side of a lot of my cameras, but that's why, that's why so many connection systems for me are a no go because they're too bulky, because. And they seem funny and they get in the way and it's that time. Yeah, it's all about that right hand feel and whether it's cumbersome or whatever. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Because I'm like you. I am like, I'm sitting in the studio literally looking at a large cardboard box that says straps. I have them all. Like, I've had double strap things that go over your shoulders. I have slidy things and this thing and that thing. But for me, the number one thing is I just have to be able to remove the strap and attach it really fast. Like I don't want to piss around. And so it's got to, it's got to come off quickly, be easy to store. But fundamentally, like I have four different sizes of sling bag and, and if I'm, and it depends what I'm doing, where I'm going, I will, I will take that because sometimes I'll have like a, my Sony A7 with a, with a 24 to 70 with the, the hand grip on it and, and a video camera and the Leica. So I've got the three cameras, so I need that size or whatever. But. [00:19:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:19:10] Speaker A: Tell me, tell me what you reckon about this idea. So here's, here's a crazy idea. Imagine if there was a magnetic strap. So imagine if there was a way to have. Well, as I'm saying those words, it's feeling absurd. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Are you talking like out of Back to the Future, like those hover skateboards? But it's a camera strap. [00:19:31] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So you could, yeah, so you could just think Detach and it detaches. [00:19:39] Speaker B: I mean. Yeah, that would obviously be ideal. That would be best. [00:19:46] Speaker A: Okay, so I, I have a question. I have a question for you. You and I have touched on this before, but for me, for me, I, I have, I have fallen into the, the clip. You know, the slidy clippy thing on the. I've got about 500 these things. You know, that attachment system. Ah, what's the brand? Oh, my God. Yeah, the peak design one, Right. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and there's 400 versions of that. It just gets copied. So they obviously don't have any protection on it. [00:20:15] Speaker B: Well, they do. They do. It's weird. I don't know what the deal is with that because. Yeah. Even when we were doing that testing day. [00:20:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:23] Speaker B: So peak design now. Yeah. Like you said, there's octagonal versions of it. There's, there's, you know, and they're just coming from all sorts of cheap and nasty. Yeah. Brands. So I don't know whether it's. They don't. They. I'm sure they had protection on it, but either people have found ways around it or they're just basically having trouble staying on top because a new one pops up every week or whatever. Yeah, yeah, but I, I know what [00:20:53] Speaker A: you're saying, because I think people, I think people. I think people either fundamentally leave the strap attached to the camera or they don't. And, and I think, and I think the lucky straps attachment system is, is gorgeous for those that, that, that leave a strap attached. Like, I, I use my lucky straps strap when I want to look cool. [00:21:20] Speaker C: You just wear it like. [00:21:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:21:24] Speaker A: Like if I had a Porsche and, and, you know, and a second car, you know, you'd use the Porsche when you want to, you know, look cool. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Same kind of thing. But you use the Camry when you just want. I don't know. [00:21:36] Speaker A: Yeah. When you just want to get there. [00:21:41] Speaker B: So, yeah, our quick release system, or our. I don't know what the best thing to call it is, we call it a quick release system because it is. Compared to. This is where it's weird. It's like. Compared to peak design, ours is slower for sure. Compared to the strap that comes with your camera in the box, it's way faster and less fiddly. [00:22:01] Speaker A: Infinite. It's so much faster. But in the big one, the big one is that it's super, super, super secure. Like, it's a, it's extremely good design from that. So people that worry about dropping their cameras, see, I don't worry about that. So much. I'm a bit of an animal. [00:22:16] Speaker B: Me neither. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Like I, I, the other day I went to put the Q3 on a plate in the dark and, and it just, I just hadn't attached it and just fell about a meter onto the ground. And, and for me that's, for me that's a battle scar. I get excited about that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But security is important for some people. [00:22:34] Speaker B: Yeah. I, I would say our quick release system is probably. Yeah. Is best suited to someone that's say 80, 20 strap on versus, you know, 80% strap on versus 20 need to take the strap off kind of person, you know? You know, so it's like. And that's what, that's what I am. I'm like the strap is on most of the time and sometimes I need to take it off as opposed to. [00:23:01] Speaker A: You just made me think about something. [00:23:03] Speaker B: Yeah, go on. [00:23:03] Speaker A: So here's the thing, just while I think about it is this idea of, you know, when you, when I grab my camera on the right hand side, I just cannot have a strap there because so often they're bulky and stuff. With the, with, with yours it's, it's actually quite slim and you could. When you put your hand there because there is a, like an appropriate gap or length of the strap part before it hits the leather. It can be quite compact. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. [00:23:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:28] Speaker A: Anyway, I just thought I'd put my two. I'm going back to Ed. It's disclosure day today. I'm going to an 11am screening of disclosure Day which is super exciting. I'm a, I'm a Spielberg UFO buff, so big day for us today. [00:23:41] Speaker B: Cool. I didn't even know that was happening. Very cool. Yeah. [00:23:45] Speaker A: Alrighty, guys. [00:23:46] Speaker B: All right. Thank you for calling in. Dennis, thanks for your advice. [00:23:49] Speaker A: It's. It's my pleasure. Thank. Thanks for asking the question. I think it's. Yeah, it takes. Yeah. Have a beautiful day. [00:23:56] Speaker B: You too. Thanks. Bye. [00:23:58] Speaker C: See you, buddy. [00:24:01] Speaker B: It's funny he mentioned the. How much did I talk about that, Greg, when we were going through all the straps about how, how important it is where it sits on your hand and how it feels on that right hand side of the camera? Because I'm not like Dennis, I can't not have it there. But if it's there, it needs to not be in my way and I need to not feel it the whole time. Yeah, that's something for me. [00:24:25] Speaker C: And that was, yeah, that was one of the things that we noticed that so many of the brands that have either copied peak with Some form of attachment that stays on the camera. So many of them that we. It just felt inferior. It felt like it was in the way. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:42] Speaker C: And we'll put my hand under it. I put it over my hand. Like we had all of that. That sort of complex problem solving that. But yeah, like you. I mean, when I, when I do, I. It's interesting talking about how you're an 80, 20 kind of person. 80% of the time you got your camera on strap and 20% you don't. I'm probably more 95 to 5 strap. 95% of the time on. I really take my straps off my cameras. But unless I'm doing like product shots or something like that, then I don't need a. And I think that's, that's where sort of that pendulum of whether you use it or choose not to use it, but you still want one because you. Sometimes you use it. You know, if you're pushing over sort of 50, 60% of the time I want to strap on, then I think it's worthwhile getting a proper, proper camera strap, you know, regardless of what brand you go with. [00:25:36] Speaker B: I would. And this, this is, this is biased because I do own a camera strap business. I would say, I would say. I would say anyone that has a camera should, unless they hate camera straps and they're not going to use one at all, should look into buying a camera strap that suits them. So even if you only use a camera strap 10% of the time, you should find one that works for that use case and invest in it. Because you never take that camera after camera after camera. You know, like this is something that if you find one that works for the way that you shoot, it's not, it's. It can be a one and done. You don't have to end up like Dennis and me and have boxes and boxes of straps that didn't work out. Finding that one that works can be tricky. But yeah, it's. It's like, it's one of those things. Once you find it, you can move it from camera to camera from system to system, as long as it fits a variety of systems. So, yeah, it's like. I think it's more important to find one that works for the amount of time you want to have a strap on the camera. You know, don't. Don't get a strap that never comes off if you only want to use it once a month. And the rest of the time you don't have a strap on there because you're primarily a video shooter. And you're using gimbals and things like that. You know that that's, it's, it's those times when it's best to have something that takes off really quickly. And you know, it was like, you know, when we're working, talking a lot with Russell Ord, who's a surf photographer, you know, like he, he likes to have a strap on his camera when he's shooting lifestyle. But then the things going in a housing like that, that's the exact time that you need to be able to pull. [00:27:17] Speaker C: That's true. [00:27:18] Speaker B: The strap off really quickly and put it in a surf housing, get out and shoot. And that was another, like, another reason ours worked really well is because ours disconnects really fast. It disconnects just as fast as a peak design one does. It just doesn't go on as quick, but it disconnects really fast. And then it has nothing on the camera. It doesn't leave dongles or anything on there. So if it's a tight water housing or something, you don't have to kind of manage little dangly dongles within the housing. [00:27:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:46] Speaker B: So, yeah, there's anyway, there's so much to it, depending on how you use it. [00:27:51] Speaker A: I should. [00:27:52] Speaker B: Oh, some comments here. Yeah. John Pickett says the Lucky Strut quick release system works best when you're using those triangle things on the side lugs. So like Fujifilm, Nikon, Sony, they have little side lugs and then they. They have a triangle split ring that comes in the box. A lot of people email us and often say, I didn't get those with the camera. You always get those with the camera. If you didn't get those with the camera, you didn't get the full packaging or you bought it secondhand or something. Because food. I, I'm as far as I'm aware still. And you might be out. I might be wrong, Greg, but Fujifilm still send those triangle split rings with every camera to attach their film strap. Yeah. [00:28:34] Speaker C: Always comes with those plastic clip on. It goes over the. The triangular lug here. [00:28:41] Speaker B: Yep. [00:28:42] Speaker C: So it sort of stops it in your camera. But yeah, they, they still put them in the box. [00:28:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And that does certainly make it really fast with those to put our strap on there because it's. There's a little bit more space than say the slot. Canon keep making their slots thinner and thinner for their strap lugs. I don't know why. So there's. But you know, back when were shooting with 1D mark fours and 1 dx's and things, the strap Lugs are really nice and big and solid and they just keep making them thinner and smaller with a smaller tolerance. And it's harder and harder to fit a strap through there. Even a normal strap, even a, even a peak design anchor link. To get that in there the first time is a pain in the ass. It's. Yeah, it's really weird what a Canon are doing. I don't know what they think people are going to be making straps out of. [00:29:32] Speaker C: I worry about that stuff. I worry about that regardless of using, you're having to force it through almost whether that starts to degrade the strength and the quality of the strap. You know, could it cause fray? I don't understand. I don't understand Canon's decision making around that. Like they make some of the biggest full frame cameras out there. [00:29:53] Speaker B: I think it's trying to shrink the size of everything down and they're not looking at this from a, from a usability standpoint. Like they're trying to make the camera sleeker and smaller and all this sort of stuff. But an extra mil in the gap for the strap lug. And that's the other thing. Like they're not rounding the strap lugs anymore. They're these like pressed. I think, I think it's. That could be a cost cutting thing. I'm not sure but I'd love to talk to a product designer about it. Yeah. Dennis says the peak lugs through the Q3 hole was super tight. Yeah, I, well that, that's the thing, Dennis. I think they say you're not supposed to do that anymore. That was the thing for a while. Peak design their lugs, they, their little, what are they called, the little dongle things. They tried to make them thin enough that you could put them through those holes without the triangle ring. [00:30:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:48] Speaker B: But then they had an issue with durability and they had to release like a, they did a recall and like supply stronger ones that didn't degrade as fast. Then those stronger ones no longer fit through the holes in say Fujifilm and stuff like that. Unless you've got. And so now they supply a little, a little ring. It's like a little oblong key ring sort of thing that you can fit to those lugs for it to go through. But if you're like me and like Dennis, we'll be, we would be like, I wonder if I can just get this through this hole. And then you just, you just try to force it through there because it's one less, you know, in my opinion, every less connection, like every One less thing is one less thing on your camera or one less thing in the chain. And that's the whole design philosophy around Lucky is like as fewer hardware pieces on the strap as possible while still maintaining some sort of functionality with some adjustment and a quick way to attach and detach it from the camera. But I don't want, Yeah, I don't want too many different pieces. I see these straps that go from like, they'll go from like a bit of cord to connect to the camera and then a quick release buckle and then some webbing and then there'll be a leather patch and then it's sewn into some rope and then the rope goes into a neck pad and then that goes onto another bit of rope with a knot in it. And then there's an adjuster in that bit of rope so you can adjust the length and then the rope goes onto a bit of, you know, and there's, there's 10 connections in a strap and it just, you put them on and they just. Super comfortable to wear. Yeah, they look cool hanging in a shop or on the Internet, but they just don't, they're not comfortable. Less is more when it comes to comfort for me. [00:32:45] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. And you really, you want all of that, the thinking around the complexity of something. When you go out to do a shoot in the camera, you don't want to be thinking about the strap, you know, but when a strap's uncomfortable, unfortunately you do. [00:33:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:04] Speaker C: Like some of those ones that we looked at from other brands, the over engineered ones, it just, it felt weird. It was like, hang on, which bit do we. The camera. Like they were quite obscure, some of the designs. [00:33:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:15] Speaker C: And they didn't make sense, you know, from a, from an economics perspective, from a practicality perspective, all that sort of stuff. [00:33:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think, I think that's the thing is sometimes these things get made. I mean I've, I've seen it. I've worked with product designers before. Product designers have a very different idea of what will work than a photographer. And even if they have a little bit of photography experience and you can communicate. I've spoken to a product designer and then what comes back from them is very different. I can tell by the drawings. I'm like, this won't be a good camera strap. Looks cool in the drawings. Like it looks cool, but you can just tell and let alone getting a prototype made or whatever. So, yeah, I think that that's a tough one is product designers will often often tackle problems in a different way than Someone who has had a camera across their body for thousands and thousands of hours. Yeah. So. And that's. That's real. Roland-K2Z says my PD strap is rubbish. That's comment. Don't sue me. Peak. That's just a comment. It's. The Camera Life podcast does not endorse all the views of our various listeners. We're just. We're just an open source. [00:34:42] Speaker C: Yeah. All care, no responsibility. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Well, I actually, I like Dennis's comment here. What don't you like about it? I like that because it's always. There's something to be learned about the. The thing that it is that makes you think. Yeah, that it's rubbish. Because their straps aren't rubbish. Their straps are some of the. The. The best versions of a camera strap for somebody that wants flexibility in terms of, like, can it be adjusted? Almost small enough for a child, but almost big enough for, you know, a large dude, a big tall guy. [00:35:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:18] Speaker B: You know, can you quickly swap it out from a shoulder strap to a wrist strap? Yeah, but. Yeah. So then this is the sort of stuff that. Where I would agree with Roland is. Yeah, the metal buckles on the body. I don't. Yeah, I think it's the. I'm not worried about them scratching, but it's the. The bulk of them, the adjustment. I don't know if you've ever tried one of their straps, but they're those adjusters. They work really well. They'd be great on, like, a messenger bag. They are great on. They use the same things on their messenger bags. [00:35:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:50] Speaker B: For adjusting the length, but they're. They're pretty big and pretty heavy. Lugs pull through. Yeah. I don't know if I've experienced that, but. Yeah. So there's definitely. And Samantha Olson doesn't like PD straps either. Yeah, we had. We actually. It's weird. Yeah. I think Peak Design make one of the best straps that are a very different style to what we make. Obviously there's a reason they're. They've been so. What's the word? Ubiquitous in the industry. Like, they're kind of the industry standard these days for. For an aftermarket strap. It used to be things like optic, I think was a pretty popular camera strap band back in the day, but. Yeah, now it's so. But when we're at Bright last year, like, we. A lot of people actually switched from peak design strap to one of ours. Yeah. [00:36:51] Speaker C: But. [00:36:51] Speaker B: But I don't know if that happens as much with online sales. It was because we were there in person. And they were just able to try one of ours and see what it felt like. And I think that's what's really hard sometimes is you need to feel something. And until you feel the way different straps are with a camera on them, across your body, and while you're shooting, you're just trying to get information off the Internet, you know, from a product photo and a. A little video or whatever, it can be really hard to communicate that through the Internet. And that's something I. That we took on board at Bright last year after talking to so many people and just, you know, they'd come and have a look and they're like, oh, these look really nice. And, you know, you put it on their camera and they give it a go and they're like, oh, wow, that feels great. [00:37:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:39] Speaker B: And, yeah, that's. [00:37:40] Speaker C: That's the big. That was the big takeaway for me from Bright. I mean, even before. I mean, we were there, ready when they opened the doors. And because of where we were located, every participant, sorry, B5. Had to come past the lucky strap store for a while. I would stand in line waiting to check in right in front of our space. And the amount of people that just sort of reached out a hand and touched one of the straps and said, oh, that feels nice. You know, it was amazing how many people did that. It's an interesting. I mean, you know, I just need something practical or I want something beautiful. [00:38:18] Speaker B: Well, but that's the thing is practical, like, I would. I would describe our straps as extremely practical for a particular use case. Like, if you don't need to be constantly swapping them on and off really fast. Ours are practical in the sense that it's like this thing. You could. You could put this thing over your shoulder and travel to every country on the planet with it. It's practical in that sense. Like, it's. It's not a showpiece. They're super durable. And that's the way that I've used them, and that's the way that we, like, we originally designed them, is that they're supposed to be a strap that outlasts your camera. Yeah. You can buy one strap and have it for all of the cameras that you're going to have in the future. So in that sense, I consider them super practical, but not necessarily for every use case. And that's where, like, Dennis's views, as far as, like, being able to really rapidly, he's like, I don't want to strap on my camera unless I do. And when I do, I want to be able to put it on real quick and take it off real quick. [00:39:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:28] Speaker B: And that's where you know the cool thing is you can actually use the peak design anchor links on our straps. Always have been able to and always will be able to. You just have to buy their anchor links from there. I think you can only get them direct through peak design these days because there's been so many copies and you can add them to our straps. If you're not sure, just email me [email protected] that I. But yeah it's so I should. Let me tell you some of the things that have popped up in the emails so far that I've been able to see. Like I said there's been. There's been a lot. But one of the, the common things that people mentioned is that while walking they hate it if their camera swings around. And. And so do I. Like if, you know, if you, if your camera spins and swings or slides around a lot while you're running or walking or whatever. I mean running's a tough one. Like to get it secure while running you got to cinch it up to the point where it doesn't. It also then makes it too slow to bring to your eye. [00:40:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Obviously this is what it depends on how you like to carry a camera. Some people still like to carry a camera around their neck. I hate it. I'm not a neck carrier. We try and recommend everyone that buys our straps don't use them around your neck. You can if that's how you want to use it, that's fine but we don't recommend it. You'll notice that almost all of our pictures on the website don't show that. We've got a few that do just because we know some people are looking for that. But almost all of our pictures and videos and stuff will show us using the straps across our body. But yeah, what I sort of learned is from some of these emails is maybe we don't put up out enough content showing how to use your strap. Like the ways that you can use your strap comfortably particularly another thing Dennis mentioned is you can just instead of connecting it to the right hand side of the camera where your hand sits, you can just connect it to the bottom of the camera by using a tripod plate or some other kind of screw in connector or an L bracket or something that has a strap lug. Realistically we don't sell those and we probably should. I've got to try and figure that out. We should have. And like there's A lot. This is why I've never bothered. There's lots of brands that do that, that make tripod brackets with strap mounts. And so I've never worried about it because someone else makes them. But, you know, we should probably have one that's either our own brand or we should work with another brand that. That's happy for us to sell them so that we can supply the whole kit that you need. Because particularly for telephoto lenses, if you do it in that way. I made a video about it years ago and it's got tons of views, but I probably need to redo holds the. It allows the. Basically the camera to sit with the lens pointing straight down at the ground and it doesn't move anywhere. It just sits right on your hip, perfect, ready for you to bring it up to your eye. And I think based on some of the emails that I got, I'm like, some people don't know that that technique is available. [00:42:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:50] Speaker B: And I think that's. That's like a failure on. On my part to not put that information out as much. You know, like, we should probably be putting info out all the time about the different ways that you can carry a camera. Yeah. Because yeah, there's. There's so many sort of little workarounds and stuff that you come up with that maybe other people haven't. Haven't experimented with. But anyway, that was a big. That was a common one. Was like, I don't like it when I'm walking around and the camera swings around or bounces and you need to control it with one of your hands. And yeah, some people have either switched to wrist straps for that reason or the. Or they've just sort of. It's a problem and they haven't figured out how to solve it yet. And I personally don't have the problem too much because I'm able to. The way I have it across my body and then I just will slide it around to behind my hip if I'm walking and the camera doesn't seem to move for me. And then if I need to, if I'm sort of running or something or climbing. Um, well, climbing I'd probably use two hands, but if I was running, I would just reach behind and kind of hold the camera against. Yeah, yeah. Just like just, just sort of put a little bit of pressure on it or whatever and just support it. But what's funny is some of these people said yeah. And so because it swings around and bounces, I just. I got a wrist strap instead and I thought. But then with a wrist strap you're holding the camera in your hand. Yeah. So if you can hold, if you can hold it in your hand with a wrist strap, you could hold it, you could support it sometimes if it's moving with a shoulder strap. So it's sort of like. [00:44:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:39] Speaker B: The thing that, you know, I don't use wrist straps that often. I know you are a wrist strap user. [00:44:46] Speaker C: Regularly. [00:44:47] Speaker B: Regularly. I don't really like wrist straps that much because I love being able to let go of the camera and do stuff with both my hands and then pick the camera back up again. It's just something that I've always had to do, whether it's out shooting sports, mountain bike stuff, gotta move my bike around or whatever. Like I just, I need to be able to use both my hands for a second and then be able to just pick the camera back up again. Same with weddings or anything like that. That's just how I've always worked. I, you know, it would be nice to have something that converts from a wrist strap to a shoulder strap really easily. That's, that's certainly on my, it's on my vision board. [00:45:30] Speaker C: Yeah, we did talk about that. And I think it's interesting, you know, that camera brands, not pro level bodies necessarily, but you know, consumer stuff like, you know, beginners and enthusiast level stuff, they keep putting these straps in that basically are neck straps because they offer very little adjustability or comfort and I don't understand why they keep doing it, you know. [00:46:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it's weird given that we know [00:46:01] Speaker C: that most people don't like neck straps. Like most people don't like it hanging down here like this. [00:46:07] Speaker B: No, it is strange. And I don't know whether it's an advertising thing so like, you know, they, they provide the Canon strap or the Fujifilm strap or whatever that's got their branding on it and they know that 60% of new photographers or 80% of new photographers are going to put that strap on the camera, which just helps boost their brand. And if the rest of the people just put that strap in a box, then that's no big deal. Yeah, I don't know, it's curious. And, and I can tell you this for sure because I've got a lot of them and I've cut a lot of them up when I was doing testing for our cut resistant webbing and they don't have cut resistant webbing, they slice like nothing. The quality of straps that are included with cameras has gone, has just gone down and down and down. Over the decades. Because I've got some straps from, like, the 90s and stuff, and they're very, very different. Some of them even have, like, suede. Suede leather neck patches. The webbing is way thicker. It's. It's very different. And the feel of them is different. The workmanship's different. And I think that's. I understand why that would just be constant kind of trying to cut both costs and, like, the amount of raw materials that's going into them, I'd say yeah, yeah, definitely. But. But it certainly. It's got them to the point where they're not really even usable anymore. [00:47:38] Speaker C: No, no. Yeah. That's a shame, because a lot of people think that's. That's what I have to use. Like, beginners will think, oh, I have to use this strap. This is the one I have to use. Not realizing maybe yet that there's a whole world of options to make it more comfortable, to make it safer, all sorts of stuff. [00:47:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:59] Speaker C: But, yeah, I think for me, one of the. So I'm just going to say, talking about pain points, one of the biggest pain points I have, and this is more about a future development of lucky strap stuff. But if I'm carrying a sling, so I'll often wear, like, a small Bellroy or alpaca sling that'll have my phone, wallet, keys, spare batteries, that sort of stuff, like basics. But when I'm using. When I had that, when I'm wearing that and I put on my lucky strap over my shoulder, on the same shoulder that the bag goes over, sometimes those straps get twisted up. [00:48:33] Speaker B: Yes. [00:48:34] Speaker C: That's frustrating. You sometimes take out a Bellroy sling, don't you, when you. When you're just taking your Q3. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. And I would always have the sling on a different side to the camera. So I would have the sling across one way, and then if I pull the camera out, I would put it across the other way. And the camera always goes on top of the sling. And that way, the camera is always the fastest and freest to move. And the sling is sitting underneath the camera strap. That's another one. That's. It is annoying, though, and I'm working on a solution for that, but I don't know when that will be able to hopefully come to market. But, yeah, we got a dream. We got a dream working on that one. Where's this? I saw Samantha Olson said, that's why I have a configuration that mounts to the bottom of a camera plate, that mounts the bottom. The camera plate would hand me QD or quarter inch screw. So Samantha sent me a great email. She uses QD clips, which are something that we've experimented a lot with in the past. They're like a. They're from the firearm industry. They're these really cool, really strong, fast clips and brands like really right stuff. I said really a lot just then. Really right stuff. The tripod and. And plate company use those in their tripod plate. So you can basically just clip straight into a tripod plate. I love those. I think they're one of the greatest solutions. I don't know if they're the best solution for just your sort of your average photographer rocking around, taking photos and rarely on a tripod. But if you do tripod work and you know, for someone like Dennis, I think they would probably be ideal. And I'd love to do some. Yeah. Some chatting with Dennis because I think there's a way that that could implement into his system that would be even better than the way that he does things now. But it would depend on the hard thing is it depends on as long as people are using ARCA Swiss compatible tripods, which most people are. I think these days it's pretty much most of the tripods are. Whereas it used to be a bit more random back in the day with different, you know, specific manfrotto tripods that only took size. Yeah. Plates and stuff like that. But yeah. Yeah. So Mia Muse says I use QD clips. Also have them on my long lenses. Yeah. Okay. So they're a bit more common than I thought, which is great to hear because I think that could be an awesome solution to a more modular way to carry. [00:51:20] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Miami's also raised a point that I'm not sure that we're going to be able to resolve. Having a camera on a strap while trying to pick up dog poo is so annoying. [00:51:34] Speaker B: Yes. So it could definitely swing around. Definitely. And that's where I would be putting it. Right on my, my back hip, like behind my back, basically. Yeah. But yeah, if it comes dislodged and comes swinging around into that dog poop, that's not ideal. [00:51:51] Speaker C: No, it's not ideal. That could end really messily. One thing I noticed when, especially at BFOP because I was wearing my, my XE5 on, on a lucky strap the whole time that we were doing shop is that the leather, some straps are really slippery and they kind of, they, they move around a lot when you bend over or when you walk, you know, And I found that with peak design straps, is that that sort of silky seat belty material just, just kind of slid everywhere when I was, you know, walking around. But one thing I noticed when I was at the end of sort of beef up, I realized that the, the, the leather of the camera strap of the lucky strap kind of has a little bit of grip to it. Yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not loosey goosey. [00:52:42] Speaker B: No. [00:52:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a half almost. [00:52:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, it's like it's the right amount of, the right amount of grip and slip. Yeah. Now, just to be clear, obviously we are, we are lucky straps people on this show, but this wasn't supposed to be a lucky straps ad. This really was a, this really was spurred by product design thoughts that I was having and then real feedback that come into the inbox. So. But that, that is true. So peak design though, they have a flip. You, you can flip their strap over and it's got a grippy side. Yeah. But you have to sort of that. I think the, the, the, the tricky thing is that when it's not on the grippy side, it's, it's almost too slippery. There's no middle ground. But the hard thing with leather, with our leather is some colors are slightly different feeling to other colors. So like you might get our black strap and it feels slightly different to our chestnut brown strap. And there's not much we can do about that because we pick every leather for a bunch of reasons and we can't just be like, hey, just make, make all these colors exactly the same because that's not how leather works. Everything you do in the process can slightly affect the feel and the surface texture and stuff like that. So there's, there's pros and cons to, to everything. [00:54:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:07] Speaker B: What was I going to talk about? So, yeah, there was a lot, there's a lot of emails that are coming talking about tripod usage and there's ways around that. But one of the things a few people mentioned and I want to get your thoughts, Greg, and I want to get the thoughts of the chat. A few people mentioned lens cap holders. Oh, a bugbear of a few people is what do I do with my lens cap when I'm shooting? I don't have always, I don't always have pockets. The lens caps always go missing or, you know, whatever. And they would like some sort of lens cap storage on their camera strap. [00:54:49] Speaker C: I like that idea. And we've talked about accessories before. You know, when we've been talking about product in the past, you Know, we've talked about little leather bags that might hold film that attach the strap, spare batteries. But I hadn't thought about the lens cap and that's a fair point. I think it's a good idea. You know, you'd want it to be able to accommodate most lenses and maybe there would need to be some like a couple of sizes, a small and a large or something, something like that. But I'm always fearful of losing my lens caps. It's a bit irrational but. But you know, like on this camera, on my 23 mil, I've got this square lens hood with the cap and the cap just slides on and off. It's not on a clip, it just slides on and off. It's got a little bit of resistance, but it could be lost so easily, you know. [00:55:44] Speaker B: So. [00:55:45] Speaker C: Yeah, and there are others like this. [00:55:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So the, the hard thing though for me is, and I do, I think it's a great idea. And, and the thing that is, that holds me back from it is is that I have that design philosophy of less is more. You know, if, if it was attached to the strap, it's another thing that is going to get caught on clothing or when you go to pick your camera up out of the bag and it's wrapped around something or it's tangled up or whatever. It's another component that can get twisted. As you said, there's various size lens caps so you couldn't really make a one size fits all because if you've got a 95 mil like front filter element lens cap and. But you like. So I couldn't. I'd have them if I made them fit 95 mil. But then someone's shooting, you know, X series gear with. What's the common size there? Probably 40 something or. [00:56:49] Speaker C: Well, yeah, a lot of my little compact primes are like, you know, 39 and 49. [00:56:54] Speaker B: That's right. So for you they'd be swimming in something that big and something that big would just look huge on a camera strap. But then if you made it small only then it doesn't work for. So it would have to. Then I'd say it'd have to be a separate accessory. And anytime something's a separate accessory, it's just another like point in the chain of that strap that can get, that can be. I don't know that that's what holds me back about it, but I do like the idea. So I'm sort of more of it. I'm more of a dentist again, Dennis, and I have a lot in Common don't use lens caps. Yeah, that's, that's, that's basically how I roll. I do put, but that means I put filters on, on the front of my lenses because otherwise I would just trash lenses all the time. Bulldog clip type thing. That could, that could work. Mia Muse says it drives me crazy when my mother in law has effectively a string and elastic. That means I'm guessing this is the lens cap. So it just hangs off the camera so you don't lose it before. It's like a lens cap retainer system. But you just hear it just hitting everything like that. Yeah. [00:58:03] Speaker C: It is the most annoying noise in the world. [00:58:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Just flapping around. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah, it would have to be, it would have to be a pocket. And I mean like Valerette, the glove company that we, we sell gloves for here in Australia, they make a beanie called a stash beanie that has a little pocket for a lens cap in it. That's clever, fun. But yeah, I just, I'm not sure about putting it on a camera strap. I'll, I'll play with the idea but it kind of goes against my, my core feeling of like this should, everything should stay out of my way while shooting. [00:58:43] Speaker C: Yeah. But yeah, yeah, I get excited by that sort of, you know, and it could be like a bolt on accessory of some sort, whether you feed the strap through a loop on the back of the pouch or. But I've always been a big fan of that idea of having some little pouches on the strap because sometimes I like to head out the door with nothing but the camera. But I still need to take a spare battery, you know, and maybe a spare SD card. And I like the idea of having that dedicated little pocket. It's part of my camera system. It's part of my carry solution for when I do street because I just walk out the door with the camera on a strap and nothing else sometimes. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Yep. I'll read a comment and then I'll go to the next, the next most common topic that comes up. Samantha Olson says my biggest issue with straps is how to use them when I'm also carrying a backpack. No manufacturer has solved that problem. Current workaround is a pair of straps that attach to each end backpack strap that both connect to a single QD strap attached to the bottom of the camera bracket. Yes, that is the exact solution. That's the one we've played with and that's, that's the one I'd like to make. It would be a little bit DIY in Terms of it's not going to fit every cam, every backpack, the same. It might not even fit every backpack. So it would be a little bit of like a. People have to understand their gear to try and make that system work. But yeah, the QD clips, I think are the best solution for that, for sure. And people might, if they're not familiar with that system, they probably don't understand what we're saying. But either Google QD clips. [01:00:28] Speaker C: Well, let's bring it up now. [01:00:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I can do that. Let me see. I got it. All right, I'll see what the best way to bring that up is and explain. Let's see here. [01:00:56] Speaker C: Just while you're doing that, M has dropped another comment. Just about the peak design texture stuff that, you know, that adds the grip to their straps. The peak design texture stuff just comes off. I had it. Destroyer jacket. [01:01:10] Speaker B: I would be, I would be worried about that. Yeah. Like, if we, if we ever implemented something like that with our straps, that, like rubber adhered to stuff is going to wear and it's just. It can just peel off after time. So, yeah, that's. That's always a concern. It's like one of those things that it's like this product's no longer something that you could use for life. It's something that will wear out, which is fine, but it's just. Yeah, it's not. [01:01:36] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not ideal. [01:01:38] Speaker B: Ideal. Not ideal is this thing. Yeah. And so when I do use lens caps, I'm more like Stuart Lyle. It's always in my pocket. I just don't know which one. [01:01:51] Speaker C: Yeah, I, Yeah, I get that. Sometimes I have moments of panic and I'm like, oh, and I'll check every pocket. Where's it gone? [01:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah, where's me out? Where is this? Comes up on everything. I'm getting there. I'm just trying to find a page that will have some of the right stuff. So this is what a QD clip looks like. And basically you plug this bit into the bottom of a tripod. When you press this button, these ball bearings able to be pushed in so it can insert. And when you release these button. That button, these ball bearings are pushed out and they sit in a little track in the bottom of the tripod plate so that it can't be released. They use them on, yeah, rifle slings and things like that. But they also put them on really right stuff. Put them on their tripods so you can connect stuff to their tripods. And it's on all their. Pretty much all their Plates, like. So this plate. So this plate has a socket. Is it gonna show? Doesn't even show the socket. Well, that's silly. [01:03:21] Speaker C: So that screws to the bottom of your camera and then you've got to put that QD clip the plug into the bottom of it. [01:03:29] Speaker B: That's right. So it adds extra hardware to your camera. But if you're using tripods regularly, it's hardware that you need to attach your camera to the tripod and especially if you like to use like an L plate or something like that. Yeah, you know, there's people that have that do landscape photography and stuff like that. They got L plates just on all the time. Yeah, yeah. So this, in that instance, it doesn't require any extra hardware because you've already got an L plate on you. So let's say I was going to use. Get an R3 modular plate like this and modular L plate that like molds to the camera and stuff, and then you can see it down there. But I'm trying to see if there's a better picture of it. No, there's not. But basically here, here is a QD plug. [01:04:26] Speaker C: Okay. [01:04:27] Speaker B: So. And yeah, almost all of their stuff, integrated QD socket enables, quick detach strap system compatibility. But there's just. What's weird is they've done this, but there aren't many strap systems that have move to that sort of. Yeah, stuff. This magpul strap here is a common one. This is actually a gun strap, but it's got so much hardware on it. I've tried these. I hate them. It's got. It's got like four bits of bulky hardware on it. Yeah, it's. It's certainly not. And it's just. Yeah, it's not a good strap to. To shoot with. [01:05:08] Speaker C: Literally. [01:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Take photos with. You know what I mean? [01:05:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:16] Speaker B: John Pickett says good thing about leather straps is they get better the more you use them. The inside. Yes, yeah, exactly. And they get softer and stuff. Whereas, yeah, other straps will often wear out. And that's. That's what we're trying to avoid. Yeah, yeah. The QD is very clever. Samantha Olson says, look up any L bracket. They come standard. Yeah, any. Any L bracket from a lot of the main companies. But be very wary. A QD isn't a qd. And I've got some here from various companies, a lot of Chinese brands. They don't always like a QD from one brand into a plate from another brand. May not necessarily work. They'll plug in, but you can just pull it Back out again with a bit of force and you could drop your camera. So be very careful if you're gonna DIY a system like this. Yeah, yeah, very careful. [01:06:15] Speaker C: It's, it's worth getting a matching pair. You know, when you think about it, you're carrying around, it could be 2, 3, $10,000 worth of gear. The last thing you want to cheap out on is that little bit that connects you to your camera, you know. [01:06:31] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah, yeah, completely agree. All right, what else? What other feedback was there in here? All right, this. We won't spend much time on this one. A lot of people talked about carrying two cameras. A dual camera strap is obviously a big benefit. There's some that already exist. We've made lots of prototypes here and we will eventually bring them to the market. But what a lot of people mentioned with a dual camera strap, and I think a lot of people haven't, a lot of other companies that make dual camera straps, they, even some of the most popular ones haven't figured out a way for it to quickly go from dual. A lot of people mention their issue is I've got a dual camera strap, but sometimes I just want to stroll around the streets with my camera. And that's swapping from the dual setup to the just single camera strap setup isn't smooth and fast and easy. When we do try and solve that problem, that will be part of the thing we'll be trying to bring to the market is something that's more flexible. So for professionals that want to shoot with two bodies, or even passionate amateurs that want to shoot with two bodies, there's a great system there that's less bulky and comfortable and still looks great. But then you can really quickly switch to just a more passive kind of single strap or wrist strap setup without, you know, having to fiddle around and unscrew stuff and. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'll be. [01:08:21] Speaker C: So you're looking at like a modular system, but keeping hardware to a minimum while still maintaining safety, security, comfort. [01:08:30] Speaker B: That's what I'd be aiming for. That's what I'm. Without giving away. Too many, too many secrets. [01:08:36] Speaker C: Yeah, trade secrets. [01:08:37] Speaker B: Hey, trade secrets. What else? [01:08:41] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:08:42] Speaker B: Some people say one of the most annoying things, and I know it bugs me and I know it bugs Jim, the strap twisting up, you know, having a twisted up strap. Does that bug anyone else when your straps all twisted? [01:08:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Let us know. I find that especially with the ones that come out of the, the straps that come out of the box with the camera, the, the webbing is so thin and crap because it's been folded and then like with the rubber band around it for so long in a box, when you get it out, it just, it, it looks crazy, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't flatten itself out. It always has kinks in it. [01:09:21] Speaker B: Yeah, but what about when, you know, when it's. When it's like twisted. Twisted, like spun up at the end. You can see because it's been so. I know, like I've been on workshops and stuff like that and I see someone's camera and I just want to. I just want to grab it off them and untwist their strap for them. I don't know if that's a. Some sort of weird OCD thing or the fact that I pay too much attention to people's camera straps, but. Yeah, I don't know. [01:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I just. [01:09:50] Speaker B: It does bug me. Our straps can get twisted up. We don't have. I don't think anyone has a strap with a swivel in it. Except for maybe Think Tank made one a long time ago. Or obviously ones that connect to, you know, like dual camera straps and sling straps that connect to the bottom of cameras often have a swivel incorporated but one that goes to the original strak plugs on the camera. I don't know if any of them have a swivel. Yes. Yeah. QDs swivel obviously because that's integrated into those ball bearing system. It's inherent and that's one of the great parts about it. But if you want to carry it like a normal camera on a normal strap. I don't know if anyone's got a decent swivel system. Yeah, Black Rapids again. But yeah, they go to the bottom of the camera. Anyone? Yeah, if anyone can tell me a strap that goes to the, to the strap lugs. Strap lugs that has swivels on each end so that the, when you. The shoulder part gets rotated that it doesn't just twist up the ends of the strap because. Yes, I see the same thing with all the quick release straps, like peak design and all that stuff. All the, all the ones with the dongles. The dongles ended up all twisted up and to remove and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:11:07] Speaker C: I noticed that with those as well. And I hate it. I hate the twisty strap thing and that was one thing I noticed about the peak dongles. Not to knock them because obviously it's a brilliant product and it's done really, really well that when they do twist up sometimes they become really Hard and rigid over time. And they can get kinks in them as well. [01:11:29] Speaker B: Oh yeah, well, we had trouble removing some at bfop. [01:11:32] Speaker C: Yeah, we did. Yeah. [01:11:33] Speaker B: From people's cameras, which is just. That's what happens when you hang a heavy camera off it for years and, and it gets spun up and, and yeah. Gets all a bit stiff and all that sort of stuff. But yeah. Samantha Olson says, Greg, check your text message. [01:11:52] Speaker C: Oh, okay. Yes, ma'. Am. [01:11:58] Speaker B: John Pickett says you'd have to sell the QD clip and matching plate. Otherwise you might be opening yourselves up to issues. Oh yeah, for sure. If we, if we were, if we were getting into that area of straps, we would be bringing our own either. Either our own designed hardware or we'd be getting hardware from somewhere. But it would be matching. That's 100 for sure. [01:12:23] Speaker C: Let me just see what Sam sent me while you work at that. [01:12:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll just, I'll find some more. Some more comments. Mia Muse says, I know a bunch of people that don't like the black rapid stuff that screws into the bottom. It unscrewed over time and broke a camera and lens. I would love a strap that converts. Yeah. I mean you do hear those stories. Yeah. About that kind of stuff. And it could. It. I don't know. I know that those, the, the ones that just screw directly into the bottom, not through a tripod plate, but it's just like a screw. I've never liked those because I consider it unnecessary hardware on the camera. And then my camera doesn't sit flat. And then if I want to use a tripod, I have to remove it and add a tripod plate. But I'm always also mindful of like while it might have unscrewed. And that makes it not a, not a great thing. Did someone maybe forget to check it or whatever? So I don't want to place blame, you know, straight away onto the brand, you know, without knowing how it unfolded or whatever. But I have heard stories like that. But also Black, Black Rapid were one of the first to market with that style of strap and they sold a lot of them. So. Yeah. Who knows? [01:13:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:43] Speaker B: Goes on to say, I would love a strap that could convert into a two shoulder option. Distributing weight over two shoulders optionally for heavy setups would be great. Yeah, that'd be cool if you could sort of make it out to. Yeah. To two. [01:13:57] Speaker C: Let me just see if I can get this thing up here. I don't know why I won't do it. Oh no, here it comes. This is what Sam Olsen just sent through. So basically she attaches these top bits, the very top of the strap, to the shoulder pads of the shoulder straps of a backpack. And then this has got the QD thing in the bottom. [01:14:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:27] Speaker C: Which is kind of clever when you think about it, because the. Especially if you've got a good quality backpack that's supporting the weight and it's distributing it well. Yeah, it's a really good carry solution, actually, because it puts, you know, it doesn't really put extra pressure on your neck or your shoulder because you're already balancing that weight out across your body over the back. [01:14:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It would add a tiny bit of weight, but it's not. It's not pulling it too far forward or anything. [01:14:53] Speaker C: Yeah, yep. [01:14:57] Speaker B: But, yeah, it's a clever idea. [01:14:59] Speaker C: It is. [01:15:00] Speaker B: I think this. Yeah, I think there's definitely something there. There's some. I can't. I can't say exactly. I can't say exactly because it's something we're working on. [01:15:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:12] Speaker B: But, yeah, that. That's clever. [01:15:16] Speaker C: Yeah. But it is reassuring to see that, you know, people do align with the way that our systems work. [01:15:24] Speaker B: Yeah. It's cool that, that more people have discovered that solution and are playing around with DIYs, because it means that there's definitely enough trust and acceptance there in that way that it connects and that they're not too. Those clips are kind of heavy and bulky and I didn't know if people would consider them to sort of overkill for cameras, but they are really fast. They're really secure. Yeah, I love them. I mean, Jim's weddings. Jim's been shooting weddings with them for, gosh, eight, seven years now. With our prototype dual camera straps, we're going to have the most tested when it. When it finally comes out. Camera straps going to be the most tested dual camera strap on the market. Yeah. [01:16:10] Speaker C: I think we should make that an advertising feature. With a decade of research, we've come up with the best camera strap for professional photographers. [01:16:17] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. [01:16:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. And anyway, it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. [01:16:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:26] Speaker B: But, yeah, I think so. A few little problems we need to solve first. Not problems with that prototype, but other. The way that it's going to integrate into an ecosystem. Yeah. Which is fun. You know what's funny is that's not even the stuff that I was working on when I sent this email out. It wasn't that. That system. So anyway, that set up Samantha Olsen says that setup works when I'm carrying a large backpack into landscape shoots. But have a one hour walk into the location and want to have a camera handy. Yeah, exactly. [01:16:58] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's very. [01:17:00] Speaker B: Actually, I actually have. I wonder if I can show how I do it without showing a product I'm working on. Cover me for a second. Let me get my, my backpack and I'll show you how I do it. [01:17:19] Speaker C: All right, cool. Let me have a look at some more of the comments. What about carrying big lenses? What do you guys do when. When you've also carrying like a big mega, you know, telephoto zoom for birding or whatever it may be. How do you go with camera straps when you're carrying such big heavy gear? What are some of the challenges you face? I don't carry many big lenses anymore, but yeah, I'm curious to know. Sam races at a point to say, don't understand why people wouldn't carry a camera strap by the bottom on the camera all the time. It sits more naturally on your hip than when carried. Than when carried by lugs. I think it's a good point, you know, and, and I don't know that a lot of people are familiar that that's an option. I think that's what it comes down to because often when you buy a new camera, you get a strap. There's no, there's no L plate, there's no QD clip. You've just got two lugs and ready to go. So I think it sort of comes down to maybe education that that's why we're not seeing it. I don't know what. [01:18:41] Speaker B: Do you disagree though, Greg? I can't quite hear fully, but I disagree. I don't think it always sits more naturally. I think sometimes with the lenses that Sam's using, it sits more naturally, but sometimes it actually sits worse. And sometimes I think the camera sits the most comfortable when it's held by the strap lugs. Depends what lens is on there and what camera it is. So. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that's a universal truth. I think sometimes when it's hanging by the base plate, it's actually annoying and uncomfortable and it swings around. So there's like anything. Yeah, there's no easy answer. It's sort of dependent. [01:19:25] Speaker C: Mimi said long lenses are always the hard ones. Oh, here we go. And follow up. QD connects into the lens foot by rrs. What's rrs? [01:19:44] Speaker B: Really? Right. Stuff. [01:19:45] Speaker C: Oh, okay. Yep. But you've got a Quarter inch screw on the bottom. Me and Muse for long lenses, I always have a monopod attached also. Okay, so you're kind of carrying extra bits as well. What have you got there? [01:20:05] Speaker B: Okay, so this is my. It's hard to see because it's all black. This is my camera bag that I travel with regularly, but I do this to a lot of camera bags. Is it here? Where is it? So I don't know if you can see. I've got a carabiner attached up here. And so if I'm shooting and I don't have my backpack, I'll just have this camera strung across my body. This is actually a film camera, but whatever camera, it happens to be the Q3 or whatever. This is a slim 30 lucky strap. Slim 30 camera strap. Long length. Long enough to go across my body. But if I'm cruising around with my backpack on, I'll often tie the strap in a knot like so. Hang on. Put this over here. See this? Okay. [01:21:18] Speaker C: Yep. [01:21:18] Speaker B: Just tie it in a knot. That can actually work really well as a wrist strap as well if you want it out of the way. So it's just like tied in a knot and then sits around my wrist. I need to make a video about this one day because I don't know if anyone actually does this other than me. [01:21:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I do. [01:21:34] Speaker B: Do you? But tie it. Yeah. [01:21:35] Speaker C: If I get sick of having it, I'm like, yeah, yeah. If I get sick of having it on my shoulder, I'll turn it into a wrist strap by tying the knot on it. [01:21:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And then I can clip that knot or that loop that's left. [01:21:47] Speaker C: It's not. [01:21:48] Speaker B: This bag's not sitting properly, so it's a little bit hard for me to do it this way. You go back there. Usually I've got this set up neater and so it just clips in there and then it just hangs. [01:22:03] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Yep, yep. [01:22:10] Speaker B: Now I get that. So does that make sense? Clip? Not that. And then if I was gonna ditch the backpack in the room, take that off, take this off, [01:22:30] Speaker A: and then [01:22:33] Speaker B: pull the knot out and then I can just head out with my strap back on. [01:22:39] Speaker C: Yeah, yep. [01:22:43] Speaker B: I think there's a lot of things you can do to work around the gear that you already have without necessarily having to go and buy new gear too. And I think sometimes the low tech solutions are just as good, if not better than high tech solutions. [01:23:01] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Sam says, love the suggestion, Justin. I'm going to try that the next time I go to Japan. Now you're just showing Off. Now you're just showing off. [01:23:11] Speaker B: Really, really handy for stuff like that where you're. Yeah, yeah. Especially probably for smaller cameras with thinner straps, thicker cameras and heavier. Sorry, thicker straps, heavier cameras. The knot is a little bit bulkier and stuff and it might need a bigger carabiner to go through. So. Yeah, it's not, it's not the perfect solution, but it's one that I've found really useful. [01:23:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:38] Speaker B: Without having to attach anything, detach anything, nothing like that. It's just a quick carabiner clip. You can even use it as a safety mechanism as well. If you clip the strap to a carabiner, it's less likely that someone can pinch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny what stuff come through about safety in terms of. In emails and stuff. And I wonder whether that's because our straps have the cut resistant webbing in that already. But not many people mentioned it as something that they've struggled with. I guess the way my email was worded, it was definitely pointed at annoyances and comfort and things like that rather than safety. [01:24:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you. Yeah, annoyances and comfort can be something that comes up, you know, almost instantly, even the first time you put a strap on. The safety stuff is not such a big consideration until you actually need it. [01:24:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Or yeah, until something happens. [01:24:49] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, [01:24:53] Speaker B: yeah. What else? [01:24:56] Speaker C: Were there any other pain points that were raised in the, in the feedback from the question you posted? [01:25:04] Speaker B: Nothing. Yeah, Dual straps. Twisting. Yeah, twisting was mentioned quite a few times. Yeah. Some people mentioned, like the transition point between our webbing and the leather can catch or snag and stuff. And I was like, yeah, but that's. That is definitely possible. And then that's why we've only got that one transition point. And adding more of those for more adjustment or quick release and things like that, it just adds more and more. Every transition point from material to material or where there's a buckle is another spot that can catch. Yeah. And that's. Yeah, we've sort of got a very particular formula for the length of the leather piece on our camera straps versus the length of the webbing. And that was purely because if the leather's too short, it catches on your body as you try to pull it up to your eye. But if the leather's too long, it annoys your hands when your hands near the camera and there's like this fine balance point of, of both of those. So there was that and. Oh, there is, there is another theme. The theme of the ones, the ones that Just that wrote good feedback. Even though. Even though I was asking for, like, things that annoy them. There's people that were like, Really hard to think of anything. Sometimes the strap ends can tangle around each other, but that's a small price to pay for all day. Comfort. Comfort. My Lucky Strap Deluxe 45 has been the biggest change in years of shooting. A change that primarily came about due to everything just getting big, bigger and heavier as camera systems evolve. My lucky wrist strap works very well for me. Walk around camera safe around. The neck strap is cumbersome and catches in the wind or twists up when on a tripod. Best thing I've ever done for my photography. That was very nice. We got some. Yeah, we got. It's funny, I was like, trying to get some. Trying to get some. Just some ideas for product design out and managed to get some. Some positive reviews out of it as well. [01:27:22] Speaker C: Yeah, well, it means we're on the right track, you know. [01:27:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:25] Speaker C: It's good to see. [01:27:28] Speaker B: Yeah. What else is there? Oh, that one was from Dennis. Yeah, Very, very cool. I don't know. I'm really looking forward to going through the rest of these. It's going to take days, I think, to read all of them and go back to everybody and then collate the data. Some of the data from this podcast will be going into my thoughts as well. Samantha says would love to see lucky straps make an alternative to the Spider Pro hand strap. I love their hand straps, not wrist, but they are not perfect. Yeah, we. We would love to make something like that too. Something that's like a hand grip so [01:28:09] Speaker C: you kind of slide your hand through a strap to hold the camera. So it just sort of goes from there around like that. Yeah. So I think. Yeah, pick two. One of those as well. [01:28:19] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, they do, they do. [01:28:21] Speaker C: They call it the cuff, I think. [01:28:24] Speaker B: No, the cuff is there, remember? Actually. [01:28:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:28:28] Speaker B: Is that their wrist strap? Yeah. I can't remember what this is called, but yep. But yeah, the Spider Pro hand strap. Well, at some point, Sam, I'll reply to your email and I'll find out. What is it about the Spider Pro hand strap that you don't think is perfect? Yeah, yeah, I'd be. I'd be interested to know. And what, what? Because you know, the last thing we ever want to do is just copy other people's products and put our logo on it. You know, it's like if we can't bring something to that market where we're going to leave it to someone else to keep doing, you know? [01:29:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:29:06] Speaker B: So yeah, I'd certainly be interested to know what is it that we could bring to the market in that area that would be different and provide something unique and solve a problem? [01:29:21] Speaker C: Yeah, [01:29:23] Speaker B: but yeah, very cool. Anything else, Anything else you want to chat about this morning? Kind of a free morning. This is just the Justin and Greg video chat. [01:29:34] Speaker C: I know. This is like a work meeting. [01:29:37] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [01:29:42] Speaker C: No, and you know, we talked on Monday night about different bags and what people got a lot of feedback on Monday night because I bought the, the new Pilot 7 from Wotencraft. A lot of people were talking about the different sorts of bags I use, which is really always interests me because, you know, I think most photographers I know are in this endless pursuit of finding the perfect camera bag, you know, and more often than not you say, yeah, I love this bag. It just does this. I wish it didn't do this, you know, but. And that's, you know, and that can be another pain point for people who carry cameras. Whether they actually keep the strap on the camera when they put it into their camera bag or does that cause problems, you know, does it get in the way? Does it tangle with other gear? Understanding those sort of pain points as well is important, I think. [01:30:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. [01:30:38] Speaker C: Mia Muse. Just very quickly on the hand strap, they have a hand strap option, one that attaches to top and bottom. Basically you don't need to grip with your hand so it kind of just slides in there and you just. And it keeps, it keeps it safe. And the peak design ones are the cuff and the clutch. [01:30:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's the clutch that's the, the one that kind of holds your hand to the camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:31:04] Speaker C: Doesn't the Spider Pro one have a pocket for SD card or something? One of them does. [01:31:09] Speaker B: I don't think so. [01:31:11] Speaker C: I've seen one somewhere. I know I'm really obsessed with, with adding accessories to, to things, but. Yeah, but I think there's definitely some, you know, we definitely some products there that we've, you know, that we've known a sort of people are seeking. Especially like the double harness and the pro harness and things like that. Yeah, but, but yeah, this is all great feedback. We really appreciate everyone taking the time this morning to wag work and chat here with us. Just a reminder while I've got you, if you're new here and you like this content, give us a like. 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So give us a like subscribe, tickle the bell icon and then you'll get a notification in your time zone as to when we're going live next. [01:32:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's right. We'll have to do another. Another your images theme on an upcoming Monday night show, I think. [01:32:58] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, Theme challenge would be good. [01:33:01] Speaker B: Yeah. There might be an appropriate night coming up with a guest that we could do a bit of a. Some sort of a landscapey type theme, I reckon. Oh, you think? [01:33:12] Speaker C: Yeah, why not? [01:33:14] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, we'll figure that out and we'll let you all know. Maybe on Monday's episode we'll let everyone know what the theme will be and we'll have another little theme night. That'll be fun. [01:33:24] Speaker C: Yeah. What was the last one we did? What was the theme? [01:33:31] Speaker B: It's an amazing question. I can't remember. [01:33:33] Speaker C: I think that's what it was. Anyone in the chat can remember what [01:33:37] Speaker B: our last theme bonus points was the only theme. The first theme. Toy photography. [01:33:42] Speaker C: Toys. That's right. Jesus Christ. Singing Moments. [01:33:45] Speaker B: I lost it for a second. Yeah, no, we won't. Yeah, we'll do something. Yeah, I think we'll do something sort of landscapey or whatever. [01:33:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:33:54] Speaker B: I wonder if we can think of something that can challenge people to get out and shoot. But. [01:34:01] Speaker C: Well, maybe rather than landscape, we could make the topic something very simple like capturing the horizon and what you choose to have in frame that represents the horizon is up to you. Maybe. [01:34:14] Speaker B: Yeah, but what? Yeah, maybe if there's something that. Something that get like where, where if people need to dig something out of the archive, they can. Well, okay, Dennis is pretty smart here. It could be light painting. [01:34:30] Speaker C: It could be light painting. [01:34:36] Speaker B: Because then. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's light painting, a lot of people haven't tried it or might want to Try something new and if they have done it, then. Yeah, that's a good point. And you can do it. Light painting you can do at home if you have to, or you can get out and try and light paint a landscape or something. Yeah, yeah. Well, we definitely need to do that as well. Just whether or not. Which one we do first. [01:35:02] Speaker C: Yep, yep, definitely. [01:35:05] Speaker B: Question here from Philip Johnson. When is Steve Parish scheduled? It's a great question. [01:35:12] Speaker C: It is a good question. I've got the calendar here. We have who forgot? Coming up, Steve Parish is on the 16th of July. [01:35:22] Speaker B: Cool. [01:35:25] Speaker C: Ninth. We've got Jerry Jonas. [01:35:28] Speaker B: Oh, I'm excited. Yeah, you should be nervous. [01:35:33] Speaker C: Yeah. Now you'll be fine. So, yeah, we've got some great guests coming out. Every guest is great. [01:35:40] Speaker B: Every guest is great. [01:35:41] Speaker C: Every guest is great. But yeah, Steve's on the eight on the 16th. Sorry, Philip. All right, all right. [01:35:50] Speaker B: Well, this was fun. [01:35:51] Speaker C: It was fun. It was fun. It was kind of. It was kind of refreshing to not have us, like to discover that we didn't have a guest last minute and just. Yeah. Have this conversation. I think it's great. Yeah. And I appreciate everyone's instance. Yeah, it's been good. [01:36:07] Speaker B: Me too. We are. We are working on some. Some fun things and I wish, I wish I could just tell you what they are, but I can't. That's part of the fun. But what I can tell you is. No, I shouldn't say that. [01:36:25] Speaker C: What about that? We are endeavoring, we are committed to elevate the Lucky Straps brand and bring products that meet the needs of everyday photographers. [01:36:35] Speaker B: Well, that's definitely happening. That's definitely. That's always been a thing, but it's more. I want to put a bit more of a. There'll be something like. Something will be happening this year for sure. And ideally there'll be something for the people that at befop this year, they'll be getting their hands on it. Whether it's. Whether it's. Ideally, if it's available for people to buy, then that'd be great. But if not, they'll most certainly be prototypes for people to play with and test and tell us what they think. So for those of you lucky enough to be based in. In Victoria or Australia and heading to beef up the bright festival of photography, you guys will. Will be seeing something. [01:37:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:37:23] Speaker B: And certainly by later this year, there'll be. There'll be product available online that we're excited about. [01:37:31] Speaker C: Yeah. New generation, evolution, all those things. [01:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Addition. Addition. The classic, the classic line that we've got now isn't going anywhere. But. Yeah, Stuart Lyle has a question. Thanks, guys. Great chat. By the way, which one of you has the best discount? I think you're far better off to use Justin. Code Justin at checkout. [01:37:56] Speaker C: That's bullshit. [01:37:57] Speaker B: Or you could use Code Greg. I don't mind. Whatever. Just don't use Code Jim. It's too easy to type in. It gets too many. [01:38:06] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, most definitely. Well, do you think that's. That's where we'll. We'll draw a bow in this episode of the Camera Life podcast? [01:38:15] Speaker B: Yeah, let's do it. [01:38:17] Speaker C: All right. [01:38:17] Speaker B: Yeah, let's. Let's roll some music and read the last comments. Dennis says. Lovely morning guys. Thank you. Thanks for calling in Dennison for your feedback. It was awesome. And you will have have to get you on a Monday night again soon if you're free. Who else? Philip Johnson says thanks gents until Monday. Mia Muse, always fun. Yeah. Thanks for joining us and thanks for. [01:38:37] Speaker C: Yeah, thanks for too. [01:38:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Really appreciate it. Who else, who else was here today? Samantha. Yep. Oh, well, I guess the other thing is too if you, if you're looking for an interview to listen to, don't forget. Just because we didn't an interview this week doesn't mean we don't have a giant back catalog of, I don't know, about a hundred interviews with amazing photographers. So just dig through the archives. You'll find something great. Yeah. [01:39:03] Speaker C: And let us know in the comments which was, which was your favorite too. [01:39:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yep. Okay. [01:39:09] Speaker C: All right, guys, bye. Be safe.