EP52 Camera Talk with Cam and Brendan from The Down South Photo Show

[00:00:06] Speaker A: Hey, I like this one such. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Much better than average. [00:00:09] Speaker A: What do you think? [00:00:10] Speaker C: Is it good? I think it's good. [00:00:12] Speaker A: What do you guys think in the chat? [00:00:15] Speaker B: Justin's got Tourette's, but that's okay. He's fine. [00:00:17] Speaker C: I'm loving it. It's our new. It's our new random photography show. Intro song. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Yep, Very random. [00:00:24] Speaker A: So whop them. [00:00:26] Speaker C: Welcome. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is the Camera Life X, the random photography show. X Down South Photo Show. We're all getting together. We're all. [00:00:38] Speaker D: It's a collab. [00:00:41] Speaker C: Yeah. This is what influences do. [00:00:44] Speaker A: It is we're influences. God help them. Welcome everybody to the Camera Life podcast. This is the. The random photography show. The titles are getting longer and we are. And it's. What is it? It's the 17th of February 2025. For those of you watching along, we're coming to you live from various places in Australia. But Justin and I from Team Lucky Straps who are the proud sponsor of this show, coming to you live from Victoria. I'm in South Yarra, Justin's in the bush. But we're joined today by a couple of like minded peers, inspirational peers for Justin and I at least. Brendan Waits and Cam Blake from Down South Photo Show. Welcome. [00:01:29] Speaker D: Hello. Thank you, thank you for having us on. [00:01:31] Speaker B: Yeah, thank you. [00:01:33] Speaker C: And we are streaming. We're streaming live, hopefully to two YouTube channels right now. [00:01:39] Speaker B: Apparently it's going live to ours as well. It's good. [00:01:41] Speaker C: Yeah, right. It's all happening. So if you're in the live chat, you might. You could be in our live chat, you could be in their live chat. They'll be different but we can see everything. So get in the chat, get amongst it, ask some questions. Careful. [00:01:53] Speaker D: I just joined the chat, so watch out. [00:01:55] Speaker C: I see you there. Actually, actually, while we're going, let's do a little bit of a. Let's do a bit of a roll call. Let's see who's around. This is my friend Tony. He says first in, baby. And he was first in. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Hey, Tony, what's going on? [00:02:11] Speaker A: We haven't seen him for a bit. [00:02:13] Speaker C: David from San Francisco, he stayed up for this because I foolishly last week said if he stays up, I think it's midnight or 1am in San Francisco right now. He stays up for our evening show. I'll do a giveaway because we did a giveaway last week and he wasn't here. So we'll do another giveaway this week. We'll give away a camera strap in half an hour. So you have to Stay for another half an hour, David. Have a coffee. Basically. How are we going to do a giveaway? If you ask a question in the live chat to the Down South Photoshop boys. [00:02:46] Speaker B: That's dangerous. [00:02:47] Speaker C: They will pick. They will pick someone in half an hour at random somehow to win one of our camera straps. So do it. [00:02:55] Speaker B: And can the question be about anything or it has to be photo related? [00:02:59] Speaker C: Anything. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Anything. [00:03:00] Speaker A: But try to make it stump them. [00:03:02] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [00:03:04] Speaker B: Enough. [00:03:04] Speaker C: No, make it controversial. Hang on, who else is here? Philip McCallum is here. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Yep. Hey Philip. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Phil's one of us. [00:03:14] Speaker C: Thompson is here. I'd say all these are yours. What's mine is Johnson's asked if we. [00:03:23] Speaker D: If we stock the fridge and we did. Brought to you tonight by Barwon Heads Brewing Company. Thank you. They're Japanese lager folks. [00:03:30] Speaker B: Not sponsored but made in Ocean Grow. [00:03:33] Speaker C: I'm fitnessing in one week so I'm on the heaps normal non alcoholics but then come, come Saturday avo. I'm on. [00:03:41] Speaker B: I'm on. I'm on the red cordial. [00:03:43] Speaker C: Nice. Sugar free red cordial or full strength. [00:03:47] Speaker B: It is actually sugar free diet cordial which just seems stupid for an idea. Yes. [00:03:55] Speaker C: Who else we got? We've got Michael. Michael. Just. Just Michael. Evening Michael. [00:04:02] Speaker D: Number one ticket holder is in the house. [00:04:04] Speaker B: I just saw that. Number one. Yeah. Sharon Thoroughgood. [00:04:08] Speaker C: We're getting. These comments are out of control. All right, I gotta go fast. Liz, Ogie, this is Down South Photo Show. David Skinner says. G'day everyone. Philip Johnson. We already mentioned Brett. Brett Woodison. [00:04:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:23] Speaker C: Barry Povy. Mel Haddon. Is that. [00:04:27] Speaker B: Mel Haddon will buy us all a beer I reckon if we're nice enough. [00:04:30] Speaker D: Mel Haddon is the. The current number one ticket holder of the Down South photo show and a long and loyal patron of our channel. So good to see you here Mel. [00:04:39] Speaker B: But he's getting. The mantle is getting shaken a bit. He's getting. [00:04:44] Speaker D: Yeah but he's. He's holding on and. [00:04:48] Speaker C: Hang on. What is this? Out of here scum. Okay, love it. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Sharon. Who's equal number one? Heath Holden. Well he's. He's. [00:04:59] Speaker C: He's a different character and says your heaps normal. Yeah, well it's pretty good. [00:05:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:04] Speaker C: This is insane. I can't keep up. Monica. Oh hi. Hi. Paul says g'day gents. Is this a battle for YouTube supremacy? I don't know. Yes it is supremacy. [00:05:15] Speaker B: It's more of a dick measuring contest I reckon than anything else. [00:05:18] Speaker A: Either way just make sure you like to and subscribe on the Camera life. [00:05:23] Speaker D: Yes. [00:05:23] Speaker A: And down south, obviously. [00:05:24] Speaker C: Down south, yeah. [00:05:25] Speaker B: Oh, so it's all about your show now. [00:05:27] Speaker C: Yeah. Let's crisscross the subscribers, actually. And before we get into anything else, I'm feeling a little bit out of place here. Just gotta. [00:05:36] Speaker A: What's the matter? [00:05:37] Speaker C: My stuff out. [00:05:40] Speaker B: He's got. He's got something. He's got a problem. [00:05:41] Speaker A: I know every now and then he needs to have a lie down. Here's a question. [00:05:47] Speaker D: I knew it. I knew it. [00:05:48] Speaker C: I just. [00:05:49] Speaker D: Because I knew the beard quotient had gone up a lot when Greg joined in again too. [00:05:57] Speaker A: Where did you get that from? [00:05:59] Speaker C: Is that American Spotlight? I think it might be American. [00:06:03] Speaker B: What? [00:06:03] Speaker D: American is just the other day, didn't you? [00:06:05] Speaker B: I did, actually. [00:06:06] Speaker C: It really doesn't. It doesn't fit. Well, is this what you guys live like? Because it's very. [00:06:10] Speaker B: It's gonna do your nuts in. By about half an hour from here. You're gonna want to rip that. [00:06:15] Speaker D: Welcome aboard, mate. It suits you too. [00:06:17] Speaker C: It was a good gag. But it's going to last about six seconds, I think. [00:06:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:21] Speaker A: I think. [00:06:22] Speaker B: Give that away. That could be the prize. [00:06:23] Speaker A: Got a bit of a Don Burke vibe, which is kind of scary when you think about the way Don Burke ended up. [00:06:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Philadelphia Eagles. Did he stop playing? [00:06:36] Speaker C: It was the Eagles and they absolutely stonked them. [00:06:39] Speaker A: All I know is Taylor Swift lost. That's all I heard. [00:06:43] Speaker D: They can't be having a team win three in a row. So it doesn't match their algorithm. [00:06:49] Speaker C: They changed the narrative. [00:06:52] Speaker D: They flipped the script. [00:06:53] Speaker A: Costa wants it back. [00:06:55] Speaker B: That's it. Costa? Yeah. He's the garden guy from abc, isn't he? [00:06:59] Speaker A: Yeah, he is. [00:07:00] Speaker B: Yep. [00:07:02] Speaker C: I started last week's random photography show with a joke from. From Chat GPT and it sucked. Chatgpt is not good at comedy. It just did horrendous photography, puns that weren't funny. [00:07:15] Speaker A: And then it argued with you. [00:07:17] Speaker C: It argued with me a bit. I had another argument with it today because I thought, I'll give it another go. The boys are coming on it. Maybe I can come up with something good. So I shouted at it for a little while and it just did more bad puns. It did bring Lightroom up once, which was interesting. So it tried to make a Lightroom joke. But then I found an inner. [00:07:40] Speaker B: Here we go. [00:07:47] Speaker C: It really likes making jokes about how AI is going to make photographers obsolete. And it really lent into it. [00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah. That's not a joke though. That's reality. [00:08:03] Speaker D: Give it to us. Come on. [00:08:06] Speaker A: The fact that it's doubling down on its own joke. [00:08:09] Speaker C: Joke number one, why don't AI and photographers get along? Because AI edits in seconds and photographers spend hours arguing about presets on Reddit. I was like. I was like, not bad. That's the first good joke it's ever come up with. I was like, all right, I give. [00:08:29] Speaker D: That a hard five. [00:08:31] Speaker B: But doesn't. Doesn't AI get all its editing skills from Reddit? But it's reading all those comments anyway? [00:08:36] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much, yeah. I said, what if it goes top of Google? [00:08:40] Speaker D: I said, don't drill down on the crap joke, guys. It was a crap joke. What's the next one? [00:08:45] Speaker C: I said, what else you got? It said, photographers say, AI will never replace us. And AI says, you're real. You're right. I replaced you five minutes ago and I'm already booked for three weddings. [00:08:58] Speaker B: Well, you can have the bloody weddings. They suck balls. They do. [00:09:02] Speaker C: It got really, really confident. I was like. It did a few more and it said, do you want this rose session to keep going? That's what it said to me. I said, sure, give me some more. And it said, yeah. Photographers be like, AI can't replace me. It doesn't have my eye. And AI said, no worries. I trained on 10 million of your photos. I have both your eye and your style for free. [00:09:28] Speaker B: Yeah, don't give up your day job. [00:09:33] Speaker C: Photographers spending $5,000 on gear. This is an investment. AI with a 20 subscription. Oh, that's cute. Anyway, here's your entire portfolio, but better. That's what Chat GPT is saying. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyway, I made a T shirt up for. AI said it can go and go itself. And I think that's pretty much. [00:09:55] Speaker C: Can I buy those? [00:09:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, you can. I'll bring it. I'll bring in the B fob this year. I'll hand them out. [00:10:00] Speaker D: It was actually, we should get some camera. I think, back at episode 40 or something. It was one of our thumbnails. AI can go F itself. I think that was. [00:10:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:10:11] Speaker C: I've never seen. I've never seen AI get so excited about jokes. Anyway, I told it to end everything off. I said, all right, well, to finish this off, show us a photo that would make all landscape photographers weep because you're so much better. And this is what it made. [00:10:35] Speaker A: Oh, no, boys, you're out of a job. [00:10:37] Speaker C: And it captioned it. Nature perfected. No tripod, no filters, just pure AI flexing on every landscape photographer ever. [00:10:46] Speaker B: Hashtag, sorry, not sorry, but it looks. [00:10:52] Speaker A: Why is it saying that? Like, that's really scary. [00:10:55] Speaker C: It's so. [00:10:56] Speaker D: That is clearly where. That is clearly where my Little Pony lives. Right? That looks like from the cartoon 20 years ago. [00:11:07] Speaker B: That's definitely going to win the next Digi Direct camera photo competition. [00:11:12] Speaker C: And then they'll have to release an apology three weeks later. Oh, sorry. [00:11:16] Speaker D: Good friends at Digi Direct, by the way. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Yeah, G'day Direct. Thanks for sending us all those things. [00:11:22] Speaker C: Are you guys. Are you guys sponsored or something? [00:11:25] Speaker D: I did do one episode. [00:11:27] Speaker B: Did they. Oh, they did too. They gave us a voucher for it. [00:11:30] Speaker D: They gave us a nice 200 voucher. I think that was pretty generous. [00:11:33] Speaker B: No one is crazy enough to sponsor our show. [00:11:36] Speaker C: No. [00:11:37] Speaker D: Well, except Ocean Grove Camera and Photo and. And Taz Photo Workshops, whatever. [00:11:43] Speaker C: And Lucky you'll sponsor it. We love it. [00:11:46] Speaker B: It's great. [00:11:47] Speaker D: Yes. Well, apparently that's. That's what's going on. We're hearing rumors that there's going to be more than just a collab. There might be. We're talking about that tonight. [00:11:56] Speaker C: Yeah, sure. Yeah, why not? [00:11:58] Speaker A: Hang on, what are we talking about? [00:12:00] Speaker B: That you're giving everyone that listens to our show a free strap forever? Is that what it was? Was that the pre production meeting that I missed? [00:12:09] Speaker C: The road to 1 million subscribers. [00:12:11] Speaker B: That's right. Only cost you guys a million straps. [00:12:17] Speaker C: Yeah, well, we are. We're going to make you guys a strap. That'll be fun. [00:12:20] Speaker B: Yeah, let's strap it on. [00:12:21] Speaker C: We'll strap it on. [00:12:22] Speaker D: I'm looking forward to seeing it. When. When will we. When do we hope to see that strap? Just that. Not. No pressure. No pressure came and I've got a few tours coming up and. Be nice. [00:12:34] Speaker B: You're starting to sound like your customers. Brendan, it's gonna be. [00:12:38] Speaker C: It's gonna be a little while. You let me know when you've got things coming up and I'll see what I can do. But the problem is, at the moment, we're flat out with production because I don't know if you guys heard, there's a little camera called the OM3 and we're making. We're making a truckload. Okay, so we're going there. [00:12:56] Speaker B: All right. [00:12:56] Speaker C: I was going to say this later in the episode. [00:12:59] Speaker A: We're making straps for them anyway. [00:13:01] Speaker B: So what have you sold? Like six of them? [00:13:05] Speaker C: We've had a lot of people getting in touch with us about it, but basically we're making them for OM Systems and they're going to a heap of different countries, but a lot of them are going to Australia as Well, as like a. It's basically like a thank you present for people that get in early and order the own 3. So it's a bribe. Each. Each country has a limited number of bribes and they're all different. So it depends on what country you're in as to whether you'll get a strap and how soon you have to pre order it to get one. [00:13:32] Speaker B: But yeah, so I got a couple. [00:13:34] Speaker D: Very exciting and in all seriousness, a feather in your cap. [00:13:37] Speaker B: So well done about this. [00:13:40] Speaker C: About which part? [00:13:42] Speaker B: So first question, what are the odds of OM Systems watching this podcast? [00:13:46] Speaker C: Oh, I'd say low. [00:13:49] Speaker B: Okay. But question number two. [00:13:55] Speaker A: But we are currently doing a very big order for them. Thank you. [00:14:01] Speaker C: They've supported a little. A little battling Australian business. Just trying to get out there and do our best and. And they are. Have been wonderful to deal with, by the way. Very, very great, very supportive. [00:14:12] Speaker B: So that was my number two question, was how far down the rabbit hole did we want to go with the OM3? [00:14:18] Speaker D: How much damage can Cameron do to your brand in the next 20 minutes? [00:14:22] Speaker C: I think, I think we should talk about it. I did listen to your last podcast that mentioned that you had pre ordered it, but you're thinking about not like, well, going ahead of the order. What happened? [00:14:32] Speaker B: Funny you say that. Today I got, I got a message from our friends at Digi Direct and said, hey, Cam, the OM3s have arrived today. What are we doing? And I've got a few people that follow Asho and follow my work that have pre ordered them. So they're already getting their stuff and they're getting the lucky strap, which is awesome. But I'm still in two minds about whether or not I order one myself. So it'll be a decision I make in the next probably two or three days, I reckon. [00:14:59] Speaker A: All right, let's start with the pros and cons. What, what are you happy about? [00:15:02] Speaker C: Let's work through this. [00:15:03] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:05] Speaker A: This is therapy. [00:15:06] Speaker B: Brendan, do you want to cut me off now? [00:15:09] Speaker D: I've got the. I can lay on the couch here if you. [00:15:14] Speaker B: Pros. For me, I think there's one pro and one pro only. And that's how it looks. Yeah, that's it. That's it. [00:15:24] Speaker C: The only pro. [00:15:25] Speaker B: That's the only pro in regards to this new model of an OM camera is to how it looks. [00:15:29] Speaker A: Okay. [00:15:30] Speaker C: Yes. [00:15:30] Speaker A: So expand on that for me. Do. Do you believe that because of how it looks will drive more sales? [00:15:38] Speaker B: I. I think that's what they have designed to look for, is to try and drive More sales for it. Because if, like we said on our show last week, if you actually pull back the layers of what this camera offers, it's nothing new to the previous model, apart from it squeezed into a, a very pretty looking body, don't get me wrong, looks great. But I think it's almost like they're trying to put something shiny over here to stop people looking at the other stuff over here that they haven't really done anything with. And that seems to be a bit of a trend with om in the last couple of models they've brought out where there hasn't been much improvement. But I like, I like, I love the look of it. Looks awesome. [00:16:15] Speaker C: And so tell me, tell me, tell me though. So, because I heard you Talking about the OM5 and the OM1 Mark 2. Is that where we're at? Mark 2? [00:16:23] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:24] Speaker C: Comparing it to both those models. [00:16:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:27] Speaker C: So. And you're saying it brings nothing new, but being like it's, it's technically, while it's priced pretty close to the OM1 Mark II or if you get a deal on the OM1 Mark II, they're about the same, depending on what country you're in and stuff like that. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:40] Speaker C: Because they're discounted. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:42] Speaker C: But technically, being underneath the om1 mark 2, it shouldn't be leapfrogging it in any kind of capabilities anyway. [00:16:51] Speaker B: Well, that's, that's true, that's true, you're right. But so the OM1 Mark II is to guess their flagship top of the line and then they've had the om5. So this one does slot in between the 1 and the 5. I get that. But there's no new technology in it, so the OM2, I actually think it. [00:17:08] Speaker D: Pulls up right next to the OM5. [00:17:10] Speaker B: Well, it does, yeah. [00:17:11] Speaker D: Basically the OM5 in disguise. It's the OM5 in the retro body, which I totally get because really I feel, I feel like they're not running out. Well, I guess they're running out of ideas, I mean. And so they're looking to the retro market for it. It's kind of fascinating if new camera buyers are going to go for it or if it's just people like Cam who's, you know, and myself who are camera tragics who just love the look of it and it's a, it's the retro throwback and we reminisce about when we were young. It's, you know, it's fascinating to me when we were young. [00:17:48] Speaker C: So the om5, the om3 and the om1 mark II do they all have the same processor even though in five? [00:17:54] Speaker B: Because there is, there is some internal differences. Definitely. [00:17:58] Speaker C: I've got you. [00:17:59] Speaker B: There is not a difference. [00:17:59] Speaker C: There is different 5. [00:18:01] Speaker B: It's not an OM5, but it's not an OM1. It's an Owen 3, which is what the name would suggest. But what they're doing is they're pretty much taking everything out of the OM1 Mark II, which is three and a half thousand dollars, squeezing it into a smaller body, downgrading the viewfinder to lesser pixel viewfinder. I think the screen's a bit less as well. It's only got one processor, one card slot, less image stabilization and putting it in as an OM3. So it's not the top line, it's not the OM5, it's in between. But they're still charging a premium price, which is like you said, you can get the OM1 mark 2 for the same price pretty much. [00:18:36] Speaker C: So if the price gap, forget about the technology differences and stuff like that. But like I say, because when I first looked at it, excluding the price, I looked at it and I went, wow. They haven't really had to cripple the OM1 much that the flagship. This is almost the flagship, you know, other than the viewfinder. But. But. [00:18:56] Speaker B: Well, the problem is the viewfinder in the OM1 Mark II is stunning. So what they've done is if like, well, we'll bring up, like you said, they've taken the bit from the top and a bit from the bottom and squeezed it into middle to make a camera, which is. That's all fine to do, but I would have loved to him seen to put, you know, the, the better viewfinder in it or at least two memory card slots or something that's just a little bit different to, to models that they've already got. But having said that, and it's not just an OM issue, we, we beat the. Out of all brands. We don't. I do, yeah. I don't care. But you know, every Mark 1 to Mark 2 to Mark 3, the differences are sometimes minimal. But yeah, they got the consumers out there forking over three or 4,000, 6,000, $7,000 to get a tiny little upgrade in a camera and that's that, that's more. So my beef is that these camera brands seem to be just. I know they're offering not much, but charging a lot. And this one with the OM3 only because I love Olympus and OM stuff so much, is that I saw it come out and I went, that looks great. That's this is exactly what I wanted to do. Bring out this retro camera. That's cool. And then the insides are like 70 of what the Mark 2 OM1 is. I'm like well you've sort of missed the ball there. You could have, you could have really hit a home run with this one. And being one of the biggest selling cameras of the year, I don't think they will be. I think they'll have the people like myself who, who love the brand and want to pick it up. I've had a thousand people email me saying should I upgrade from my OM1 or my Mark II? What should I do? And I'm like really? Not really. It looks nice but technology, I, I. [00:20:28] Speaker A: See that as a Fuji shooter I see this every three to four years. Probably every three years with the new X100. You know I, I've, I've had most of the X1 hundreds from the original and, and you know, there's more to. I guess it also depends on what brings you joy and so if you're using a similar system with minor upgrades but you're happy to fork out that money, then I think that's okay. But I do think what Olympus is trying to do is mimic a little bit of what Fuji have done which is you know, they Release A, the EM5 which basically had the same processor and chip as the. Did it have the same chip AM5? No, sorry. The XT50 which was basically identical to identical to an XT5. It just didn't have weather ceiling and slightly lower megapixels resolution on the evf. It's a very similar argument that we see these little incremental increases or new models like the XT50 was targeted as a more friendly enthusiast, beginner, influencer style model but it was almost the same price as a brand new XT5 which technically is their flagship photography camera. [00:21:40] Speaker B: Well that, that's, that's, that's where I, that's where I got the BMI bonnet about. If like this camera retails for what, 3, 300 or something like 3200. 3300, yeah. That, that could have been like 2900 or 29.50 or something like that. It's, it's got, if it's a camera that slots in between the one and the five, it's got a price between the one and the five as well. And they've just come out and just go on the cash grab here go it. Retro looks cool. Yeah, people are going to buy it. I'm like, I Don't know. And someone's asked in the questions, Jim said, you know, do you think drops? Yeah. Do you think it's a good purchase? I reckon it would be. And Brendan's the same. He said it on our show last week. I'll buy one when it's fifteen hundred dollars. [00:22:16] Speaker C: Yeah, well fifteen hundred dollars would be a bargain but yeah, I, I, that's the way I look at it. Is, is, is this a pricing issue? Not so much a, because I think it is come from personally. [00:22:26] Speaker A: Yes, there's a part of that. [00:22:28] Speaker C: There's just not as much, not enough of a gap between those models for you to be like, oh, I'll accept the viewfinder, I'll accept this because it's $600 cheaper or something like that. And then you'd be like oh yeah, okay, that makes sense. So Maybe, maybe the OM1 Mark II is too cheap. [00:22:45] Speaker D: But this is not an Olympus exclusive thing. I mean all cameras over the last five or six years and ever since the COVID tax happened. Yeah, it hasn't backpedaled from there. It's, they've, they've gone, hang on a minute, we, we've added the COVID tax, you know, and, and crying that we can't get parts. Which was a genuine problem. I understand that. Which kind of made a false economy out there. It kind of made demand dry supply dry up. So demand increased, the price went up. There's been no backpedaling from it. You know, I mean the frustrating thing for me is that locks out a lot of people who might be keen on getting into those kind of cameras and then they see the price tag and go see and we talked about this a lot on our show cam. Those entry level twin lens kit, Canon and Nikons from back in the day, the 5300 Nikon, the Canon like the 700D and these sort of things don't exist anymore. They're gone. But we were getting people into photography for a thousand bucks into bloody good cameras for a grand. Gonski. So the price thing is, is the thing that gets a B in my bonnet and that's from a retailer of cameras. I sell cameras at my store, you know and yeah, it's frustrating to that, to that point where yeah, we're just not seeing any give in the pricing. Three and a half grand for an om three is ridiculous. [00:24:07] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'm not paying three. [00:24:09] Speaker C: Is that how much? I thought there were three? [00:24:11] Speaker B: Well three, three, three, 3300, something like that. [00:24:15] Speaker D: Yeah, that's for a body you Got to put a lens on it. [00:24:19] Speaker A: I've got it here. So at good old Ted's. [00:24:23] Speaker B: Freds. [00:24:25] Speaker A: Fred's Ted's, they've got the OM3 standalone for basically 3100. You can get it with the, the new 25F1.8 Mark II. So that's the metal body, we talked about that last week. They've replaced the plastic with a new metal version that's weather sealed. [00:24:40] Speaker D: Very nice. [00:24:40] Speaker A: That's 3,600. You know that's pushing up into Fuji flagship territory. [00:24:45] Speaker B: Yeah. What's pushing into OM flagship territory? [00:24:49] Speaker A: Well, yeah, it is, yeah. [00:24:50] Speaker D: You know, hello, Sony A7, A74. That's a Sony A74. [00:24:54] Speaker C: Well, that's what I was going to say and obviously they're not flagships and stuff like that, But a Canon R6 Mark II isn't, isn't far away from that price and, and you know, an extremely capable camera. Not, not that the oms aren't, but it's like it's playing in that territory now. [00:25:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I think, I think the big, the big, the big discussion we had last week was around that OM3, but the bigger picture around that was around the reviewers reviewing them online. And as I said on our show last week, I've been, I've been laid up for last week watching just review after review on the couch, you know, watching this, this literal run out of people's mouth about this camera, about how bloody good it is and how much it's amazing camera. And I'm like, that's crap. Like if you look at the, if you're half a brain in your head and you look at the stats of what's going on with those cameras, they're not as good as the reviewers are making out and I think it's really misleading and I think it's great that we have shows like ours and yours where we can have an honest conversation as photographers here in Australia and not, not call out the. As such, but at least let people know, have a bit more of a look deep, dig down a bit further as to what you want to buy out of a camera because a lot of times I think we mentioned on our show as well, you know, the, the difference between a Mark 1 and Mark 2 is sometimes literally not much at all, but the one Mark 1 to the Mark 3 is a bigger step. So sometimes it's almost good to skip. [00:26:11] Speaker C: A version or that, that little thing that is improved might be the most important thing to you and it's worth it or it might be completely Pointless. Yeah, the Canon R5 to R5 Mark II for a pure landscape shooter. Potentially a pointless update. Potentially. If you just take landscape images the same. [00:26:32] Speaker B: Well, that's, that's the real, that's the real point, isn't it? [00:26:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:35] Speaker D: Okay. [00:26:36] Speaker C: Okay. [00:26:38] Speaker A: I just wanted to say, is it, is it, Are we seeing in the camera industry similar to what we see in the car industry where you're better off? Someone's always going to buy it new, right? Yeah, somebody's always going to buy these new. Wait six months, the price will come down in stores and they'll be, they'll be flogging them off on, on secondhand market. You shouldn't have to wait for quality. But if you're on a budget and you can't afford just to fork out three and a half grand for a microfill thirds, you know. Yeah, granted it's a great looking camera. [00:27:15] Speaker B: But it's funny you say that, Greg, because again today I had not much time and plenty of time and not much stuff to do. I was looking at some more reviews and all the new reviews coming out in the last three days are now all about why you have to get into micro 4/3 in 2025. So there's another, another wave of coming out of all these manufacturers or whatever saying you must. [00:27:38] Speaker C: There's two things with that with YouTube actually. We'll get, we'll, we are going to. I've got written down here, I want to talk to you about YouTube reviewers. I want to really like, want to name. [00:27:47] Speaker B: This is, this is really our last show, isn't it, Brendan? [00:27:49] Speaker C: I know, but no, we're running this. [00:27:51] Speaker D: Entire franchise right into the ground. [00:27:54] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:27:55] Speaker B: I listen to your last show and. [00:27:58] Speaker C: I've got questions because your last show didn't give me any closure on the subject. I listened to it and I was like, I want to find out then how do we as photographers find the information that we need to make the right decisions? And that's what I want to talk about soon. [00:28:14] Speaker D: Not easy. That is not. [00:28:15] Speaker C: I know, but before we get to that, there's a few questions and if you're listening, this is your last chance to try and win a camera strap in the next three minutes. Ask a question in the live chat to have a chance and we're going to answer some questions in the meantime, which I see you did answer. Digifrog. Dave. [00:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah, about the graduated. [00:28:36] Speaker C: Yeah, the graduated ND filter. Is that a new feature or has that been around for a while? [00:28:41] Speaker B: So the graduated ND is in the Mark 2 OM1, and it's now in the OM3 as well. [00:28:48] Speaker C: So they're sort of. Just because it. Because it's one of the standard things that was in that. And they've used the same processor and sensor. They've just put it in the OM3 too. Yep. [00:28:56] Speaker B: Pretty much what they've done is just taken om ones off the om1 mark II off the line and just plugged in the OM3, uploaded and pulled it out, and then put it in a box and sent it out. That's about it. Yeah. Look, it looks great. I've played with one. I was lucky enough to play with one on before it came out, and straight away I picked it up, went, this is cool. This is what I want. Put it up to my. I went, if you find it's putrid. But anyway, I still like the look of it, you know, whatever it is. But they look fantastic. So, yeah, see what happens. [00:29:24] Speaker D: What's the weight of it? I haven't even looked at that. What's the weight of it? [00:29:27] Speaker C: Like 460 grams? [00:29:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not. It's not heavy. [00:29:30] Speaker C: It's. [00:29:30] Speaker D: It's an OM5. [00:29:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:29:33] Speaker C: What is an OM1 Mark II weigh much more than that or. [00:29:36] Speaker D: Yeah, a little more. [00:29:37] Speaker B: Gram. 5, 7, 600 or something like that. [00:29:40] Speaker D: That rings a bell. With battery. Yeah. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Been out running. Photographing Roux shadows. [00:29:47] Speaker C: Rouge. Photographing rouge shadows. Well, okay, you'll have to talk us through that sometime because. [00:29:52] Speaker B: Is that meant to be rude shadows? [00:29:54] Speaker C: Maybe rude shadows together. [00:29:59] Speaker D: So we'll. We'll see Felicity in a few weeks up in Swan Hill. [00:30:02] Speaker B: We will. She's on one of our workshops. [00:30:05] Speaker D: Yeah, from your neck of the woods, Justin. [00:30:08] Speaker C: Yeah, I spoke to her at a market the other night. She was at the Bendigo Moonlight Market selling. Selling prints to try and pay for your workshop. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Bastards. [00:30:22] Speaker B: That's great. See, we're putting people into. We're putting people into their passion and that's whatever it is. They're taking all their money. It's great. [00:30:29] Speaker C: Did you sell anything? Felicity, did you sell anything? Let us know. Give us an update on. On how the night ended up going. Did you pay for it? [00:30:35] Speaker B: I just had an email from her. She's canceling the workshop. [00:30:38] Speaker C: It went that well. [00:30:41] Speaker A: Hey, can I just show you guys a website while you. Are you still going through comments, boss? [00:30:45] Speaker C: I was just checking out another couple Brett Wooderson's. I'll bring that. You're. You're in the. You're in the. The comp there. Brett. But I'll bring yours up a bit later because I did. I have that written down as well. Kind of. [00:30:55] Speaker D: I do like that question. [00:30:57] Speaker C: Yeah. And right up. [00:30:58] Speaker B: What I want in your wheelhouse, isn't it friends? [00:31:00] Speaker C: I wanted to find out what you guys think, but I think that's all. Did I miss any from before? Oh, that's right. Monica. Oh, the big question. Would you take it to the usa? And I believe only if. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Only. Only if Mon was coming. Would I take it if Mon. [00:31:16] Speaker C: So yeah. So is camera worthy of that kind of a trip, the OM3? [00:31:22] Speaker B: Well, you know what it is. Like, I've got my. Speaking of the X100, I've got the X100V version 700, whatever it is. If that's the kind of camera that I reckon would replace the iron thrill. Omen 3 would replace it. Like they're very. Even though it's got a fixed lens. But it's that kind of street photography. Go out with a single focal lens on it, like a prime or something like that and go. And that's what I intend to use this OM3 for. If I get it. It's just chuck a 50 mil on it and just use it for travel. Probably would take it to America. I'm a bit of a camera as well. I've got to get rid of a fair bit of stuff because the Minister of Finance and War and Peace is starting to click on that I'm buying too much. So probably need to either hide it better or. Or stop doing a podcast announcing that I'm buying. [00:32:07] Speaker D: Perhaps not show it on the podcast every 20 minutes. [00:32:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Maybe it's a bit of a giveaway. [00:32:12] Speaker B: It is. I've got to get better at that. [00:32:14] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:32:15] Speaker B: So. But yeah, can I just. [00:32:17] Speaker D: Can I offer something up as well? It's a good question. Would you. Would you take the OM3 to America? What is the OM3 other than a piece. A piece of sort of throwback memorabilia that, you know, practically speaking it doesn't replace anything we've already got, you know. So would I take it to America? No. Would I take it hiking? No. Would I take it on a professional shoot? No. Would I take it on a landscape shoot? No. And the reason that's no to all those. [00:32:48] Speaker B: I've already got it. [00:32:49] Speaker D: I've got all that. Like I've got everything I need technology wise. The tools of the trade that I need. Look, and I get it, it's not marketed at pro photographers. It's marketed at. It's so funny. It's marketed at hipsters and sorry, OM system. That is not your frigging demographic. It just is not your demographic. As much as you want it to be, it isn't. [00:33:12] Speaker C: You know. You know where I'd see it fitting into a trip is these. Your second camera body and it's got a little. It's got a little prime on it. Right. And if you're going to go for a walk or you go for dinner or something like that, you want to take a body with a prime, you know, cruising around when you're not out doing your shoot. [00:33:30] Speaker D: But it is also, it's more just to the table so people can look at it and go, oh, what a cool retro camera. Make you feel good about life. [00:33:37] Speaker B: You know, a lot of the. [00:33:39] Speaker A: A lot of the OM early images had that exact vibe. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Do you know who would love that camera? The other three? The guy would love the David guy from San Francisco who hasn't been up this late since the 70s. He could take that camera back to the 70s and use it and he'd. [00:33:52] Speaker A: Be cool as he's already got about. What did we count last week? 16 cameras. [00:33:56] Speaker C: He's got 16 film cameras and they're all epic. I just want to just play with it. [00:34:03] Speaker A: Someone asked the question earlier about where do people go when they want to know. [00:34:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:08] Speaker A: You know, when they want to get information. And this is a website that I came across ages ago with an old friend of mine. Lead to pros and camera view. Have you guys ever seen this very. [00:34:19] Speaker D: Much DP review vibe. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Yeah. DP review. DP review is another one. [00:34:24] Speaker A: So this has got like a comparison. So you can go right down to all the specs. You can compare like, for, like. So this is the om3 versus the om1 mach2. [00:34:33] Speaker D: Yep. [00:34:34] Speaker B: Have a look at that. That rate's exactly the same. [00:34:36] Speaker A: Yeah. But look at this. Which camera would you choose? The OM3 is getting a 31 vote versus the OM1 mark. I. [00:34:48] Speaker C: People can vote that. So that's not them saying that, that's you. [00:34:52] Speaker A: No, I can choose that and then vote and add to the collection. [00:34:55] Speaker C: You just skewed it even further. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:57] Speaker D: Can you. Can you vote for me, please? Put another one in. Owen. One mark too. [00:35:03] Speaker A: But it is good. It does show some comparison stuff, which is. It's pretty cool. [00:35:08] Speaker B: There's a lot of. There's not many differences though, is there, when you look through that. [00:35:11] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. It's all like, for, like. It's like you guys said. What about the Nik? [00:35:18] Speaker B: You know what? I would love to buy a Nikon zf. I reckon they look very cool. [00:35:23] Speaker C: It's this. It's the exact same thing. It was a D750 or what? It was just less capable than their other cameras with a retro look. And yeah, I wanted one too, but then I switched to Canon. But, you know, like, it's, it's the. So everything you're saying about that, the ZF is exactly the same. [00:35:45] Speaker B: Yeah, but I think. Yeah, yeah, it fits. [00:35:49] Speaker D: It's a want, not a need. [00:35:51] Speaker B: It is a want. Yes, absolutely. [00:35:52] Speaker C: Exactly. That's what it is. Where it's like, hey, it could be my second camera and I'll really enjoy shooting with it. Whether it's your main camera probably really depends on what you're doing, but. But it could definitely be a second camera for almost anybody if they want that style and a backup, you know. [00:36:09] Speaker B: Yeah, but I think that's where I'm at. Brendan was right before with what they're aiming at the hipsters, like the zfs at the hipsters. The Element three is at hipsters. Every Fuji ever made at the hipsters pretty much Canon haven't figured out if they bring out a range finder can and they'll sell everyone out. Sony don't care about anything but hipsters. So there's, there's a big difference in some of the brands. But I, I said, Brendan, a picture yesterday, OM had their Sydney day and they've got a, a big OM day in Sydney to happen on the weekend and there was a few live shots of people streaming around and going, what's going on? And taking photos and walking around Sydney harbor taking photos. I didn't see anyone under the age of 50 at that conference yet. They're pure, but yet their pure marketing is at hipsters. [00:36:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:53] Speaker B: It makes no sense. Well, they're not, they're not broadening anything. They're not. [00:36:57] Speaker A: No, no, they're not. [00:36:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:58] Speaker A: You know, that's what they want to do. They want to bring marketing crowd. [00:37:03] Speaker C: Yeah, their marketing is. [00:37:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's what. [00:37:08] Speaker C: But the camera is nostalgic to the exact demographic you're talking about. You know, it's like, Brendan, Brendan nailed it. [00:37:16] Speaker B: Brendan said, let's just go around to all the retirement homes and sell home games. [00:37:19] Speaker C: Yeah. So you're marketing a classic car and instead of marketing it to the person who dreamed about that car when they were 20, you're just marketing to a current 20 year old and you're like, no, no, they're not buying a Mustang. They, they can't afford it, you know, like you need to market it to the guy who was 20 when that car came out. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. So that I think. And that's across the board as well. Like, like we, I do lots of workshops. We do lots of workshops. You know, we do b folk like look at the crowd of bfop, the bright festival of photography. Yeah, like majority middle aged white. Yeah, that's right, middle aged white people. But. And that's what, that's what all the camera manufacturers really should be aiming at. But a lot of them sort of avoid that. They almost ostracize them and don't touch them at all and just go straight after the younger version of people that are the hipsters who don't have cash to buy three or four or $5,000 cameras. So I don't, I don't get why camera manufacturers do that either. It's a bit weird but. [00:38:13] Speaker A: Well apparently I'm a hipster and I can't afford it. [00:38:16] Speaker C: Well, I've seen you cool little hat that you wear. That's a little hipster ish. [00:38:20] Speaker D: Can I just interject here one thing that Olympus did incredibly well and there's no one can deny this, is that they marketed a very small lightweight system to older people that were sick to death of lugging big cameras. Now when I was back in my camera house days, even at Geelong camera house up until 2013, if we had an older person come in who said I've got this big ass camera, I need something smaller, welcome to Olympus. And you would take them there. And at that time Olympus were on their own, they were doing the Micro four. Well okay, Panasonic to a lesser degree they were doing the Micro four thirds, pushing the Micro four thirds wagon and selling lots and lots of cameras. And now that has become legacy. So when Olympus drop a new camera, all those people that bought those cameras 10 years ago who are now in their 70s and 80s, hey, let's get a look at this thing. What's this all about? And that's why Cam gets a lot of emails and I would imagine Cam those emails were from that very demographic that retired, semi retired, you know, getting into photography. [00:39:22] Speaker B: Sort of something interesting you just said there is that. I worked in a camera shop, you worked in a camera shop. We've done the hard yards of working in camera shops but we used to have people come in and buy a camera but it wasn't the manuf, it wasn't Olympus putting those cameras in people's hands, it was us. That's it was Us. That's right. So Olympus have never been. They've said it's small and lightweight and weatherproof but they've never acknowledged, and I don't think any camera brands acknowledge that the majority of people buying cameras in Australia are not under 30 years old. [00:39:51] Speaker D: That's right. [00:39:52] Speaker B: So they're 30 or 40 years plus. But they keep, they keep sort of trying to advertise to this younger group of people, which is great. Trying to get them into photography but they're not the ones buying it. [00:40:02] Speaker D: So they just want an AE1 and a Pentax K1000 from A. [00:40:06] Speaker B: That's right. And they want to pay 40 bucks to get a roll of film done. So like, yeah, this small and great cameras but it's not, they're not advertised. They're not marketing it to the right audience and we've been talking about this for years across the board. For some reason, you know, you can't advertise to people that are 40 or 50 years older. They're not, they're not part of the marketing process at all. [00:40:28] Speaker D: They're not on Instagram. [00:40:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Missing the message. [00:40:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:35] Speaker D: 100 believe. So they need to go if, if they want to sell more cameras, put them on Facebook because that is the over 50s social media. [00:40:43] Speaker C: So in groups, a lot of outreach. [00:40:46] Speaker D: That's where it's at.100. [00:40:48] Speaker C: I mean it is and it is. Beef up to a T, get in there and, and help people. [00:40:54] Speaker B: Yeah. You guys have been a beef up. Like the Nikon stand is five deep with people trying to borrow gear and get gear. It's not 20 year olds, it's not 30 year olds. [00:41:04] Speaker C: No. [00:41:04] Speaker D: No. [00:41:05] Speaker B: So why, why are the manufacturers or what, even the people at bfop, why are they not going back to their bosses and saying to their marketing team, I think we're missing the market folks, because we've just had 700 people at a festival. [00:41:16] Speaker A: I would imagine, I would imagine their marketing team is under pressure and maybe in some brands they've hit saturation. [00:41:23] Speaker D: That's exactly what I was going to say. Yeah. [00:41:27] Speaker A: And they're desperate. It's like, well if we can get a 20 year old, let's say we can get a 20 year old to buy even a $2,000 camera and a $500 lens. Let's, let's drop it down a thousand bucks, 2500. It's doable. If you've got a job. Right. If you're in your 20s and you're working and you've got some cash, well that's A good purchase, but you'll be invested in the system, the brand and the system long term. Because what they've discovered obviously is that there are lots of photographers are brand loyalists and it's like any, any marketing strategies. Get them in early, get them loyal to the brand early and we'll have them for life. And that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to expand the market. [00:42:06] Speaker B: I think the issue. [00:42:07] Speaker A: They're doing it right. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly right. But the problem there as well, like I'm going to get beat up for young, from younger generation people here, but that's okay. But look at the younger generation, they don't, they don't stick to anything. They, they make decisions on the fly. They buy a Canon and they buy a Nikon, then they buy a Sony, then they're back to a nick on there. Like I've seen it myself. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Justin's still young. He still does. [00:42:28] Speaker B: Well, he's already said, he's talking about. Well, that's right. But you like the younger generation. How old are you, Justin? For example? [00:42:34] Speaker C: I'm turning 40 in a couple of months. I'm pretty old. [00:42:36] Speaker B: Yeah, so you're old. So. But you see a lot of these younger people, they'll go into a brand that either is big on Tick Tock or Instagram. Yeah. Which is generally Fuji or Sony or their parents had an old Canon or Nick on that they've handed down and they go into it. But they're not interested in brand loyalty. They just want to get a camera that looks sort of cool and they can take some photos. [00:42:59] Speaker D: They want the camera that Taylor Swift is holding. Come on, Cam. We know. [00:43:02] Speaker A: What was she holding? [00:43:03] Speaker C: Is she a photographer? [00:43:05] Speaker D: There was something. [00:43:10] Speaker C: Hang on, we got to pause. I got it. We got to give this camera strap away before. [00:43:14] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:43:14] Speaker D: Yes. [00:43:16] Speaker C: I promised them half an hour and we've dragged it out to 43 minutes, but. So you guys are the only ones that can do this because last time I used a random name generator, it didn't work properly. I don't just have a scroll around, pick anyone out of that chat. Can you see the chat on the side of the streamyard screen? [00:43:36] Speaker B: Yeah, we can. [00:43:37] Speaker D: Yes, I can. [00:43:39] Speaker C: Just pick anyone that asked a question. At your leisure. Random, not random. I don't really mind. [00:43:44] Speaker D: You guys talk amongst yourselves and we'll. [00:43:46] Speaker B: Keep rating our camera brands. You keep looking. [00:43:48] Speaker D: If anyone, you know, if anyone goes over to dsps.com and buys us a beer, they might get a prize. [00:43:55] Speaker C: Well, they can be bought and that's fine. These comments, they run just. [00:44:00] Speaker A: Just for the record, Taylor Swift, this is your show. [00:44:02] Speaker D: Not hey Taylor. [00:44:04] Speaker A: Taylor Swift shoots with the Olympus EM10 Mark IV. [00:44:08] Speaker D: Hello. [00:44:09] Speaker C: Y Shane was all over because she. [00:44:11] Speaker A: Has no one to carry her camera gear. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:14] Speaker C: So it has to be. [00:44:16] Speaker A: A couple years ago, Lana Del Rey was seen using Fujifilm cameras like an X100 in some of the video clips. [00:44:24] Speaker B: So obviously that's really been well received by OM Digital because their sales are still plummeting when Taylor Swift's got one of their cameras, even that didn't work. So that, that sort of tells you something about who they should be promoting it to. [00:44:38] Speaker C: Are their sales numbers down? How do you know? How do you. Is that from stuff? [00:44:42] Speaker B: Well, I. I don't know. 100, but from what I hear from around the traps, they're not selling many. Like even like the OM3. I've. I've got a handful of pre orders I've sent through to Digi Direct and they ordered in X amount. And he goes, that's pretty much all the ones that you pre ordered, so. [00:45:02] Speaker C: Okay. [00:45:03] Speaker B: I don't know. Be interesting to see how many they do sell across the board. Like all brands would be lovely to see when. [00:45:09] Speaker A: When the Fuji, the last X100 mark VI came out, which was probably around this time last year, I imagine anyway, you know, they, they were hit by demand that they didn't anticipate or at least they didn't have enough units. And it took months for people to. I mean, you guys would know this. It took months. [00:45:27] Speaker B: The X100 still out of stock. [00:45:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I. I'm in a Fuji Big Fuji group on Facebook. See Facebook and. [00:45:38] Speaker B: Old hipster. [00:45:40] Speaker A: Thank you. Yeah. [00:45:44] Speaker D: I have a winner by the way. [00:45:45] Speaker A: Oh, good. What was I saying? [00:45:47] Speaker B: Just quickly out of stock. [00:45:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Every now and then someone will post a picture of it. Oh, this is at JB Such and such if you want to grab one. You know, it's just. [00:45:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:57] Speaker A: Bizarre. [00:45:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:03] Speaker B: Did you pick. [00:46:04] Speaker C: I completely forgot. I did all new sounds, but I don't have a drum roll. [00:46:09] Speaker D: I did all new podcast written all over again. [00:46:13] Speaker C: Has he got sounds too? [00:46:14] Speaker D: Did we agree to this? I don't know about sound. [00:46:17] Speaker B: He's just released a new podcast. [00:46:18] Speaker D: Hey, hey. It's Saturday, for God's sake. [00:46:20] Speaker A: Hey, do you want your straps or not? [00:46:23] Speaker B: That's right. [00:46:24] Speaker D: Your show, you do what you want. [00:46:27] Speaker B: Yes. [00:46:29] Speaker D: Do we get a drum roll? [00:46:30] Speaker C: I actually don't have a drum roll. [00:46:32] Speaker A: Whatever you got. There you go. [00:46:41] Speaker C: I've got that. Cool. Goat scream. [00:46:46] Speaker A: Well, all right, who's the winner? [00:46:47] Speaker D: Congratulations, Monica. [00:46:53] Speaker B: She gets a strap on. [00:46:54] Speaker D: That's awesome, Monica. Monica stirred up the conversation by saying, but would you take it to the US and it did generate quite a bit of true. So thank you, Monica, for your question. These guys are going to tell you what you've won. Jim. [00:47:10] Speaker C: You have won a one of our deluxe 45 leather camera straps worth 225. You can personalize it. Yeah, that's the best one we make. I don't give away the, the not as good ones. I give you the best. [00:47:26] Speaker B: They're reserved for our show, aren't they? They're not as good. [00:47:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:29] Speaker A: That's what you guys are getting. [00:47:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:47:30] Speaker C: The seconds. Monica, email. Email me justinuckystraps.com that's justinuckystraps.com and David from San Francisco, email me too because I'll get, I'll get something for you. I don't know what we'll do, but you stayed up late. It's a consolation prize if you're there still. If you're not there, you get nothing. [00:47:49] Speaker B: Did you hear the door? [00:47:49] Speaker A: She's not about. Haha. Justin just wants to justify his button machine. What's a button machine? [00:47:55] Speaker C: My Rodecaster that I use for the podcast. That's why I had to get all these sounds. What else did I get? The. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Seventies. [00:48:08] Speaker C: Busy day, Drama. [00:48:09] Speaker B: Have you got any Taylor Swift on there? We might sell. We might sell some cameras. [00:48:14] Speaker C: No. [00:48:14] Speaker A: Get struck off YouTube. [00:48:16] Speaker C: Did you guys watch the Office? [00:48:19] Speaker D: Yes. [00:48:21] Speaker B: No. Please. No. [00:48:23] Speaker C: I thought. I think that'll be handy for when we're doing some camera stuff. Yeah, no, I do have to do it. David, email me justinuckystraps.com we'll get you something. Something for one of those 16 cameras. What else? [00:48:40] Speaker A: Who's doing our admin? Who's doing the admin messages? [00:48:43] Speaker B: Well, I think we've beat the shit out of our AIM system. What are we moving on to? They've just, they just removed their contract. [00:48:49] Speaker C: I was gonna say let's, let's just cap that off by saying get an L3. They come with a limited edition lucky straps. They are a beautiful camera and we're so excited to be a part of it. And I am excited to be a part of it. I think that to try and summarize what's probably come across a little bit negative but us, there's. Yeah, there's, there's a. There's a place for every camera and what you guys are worried about is when it gets sold as the next greatest thing. [00:49:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:23] Speaker C: As opposed to people being told really what it is as, you know. So yeah, you probably don't need to upgrade to it if you've essentially already got the same thing in a different body. But if you love the body, the fact that they have fit that tech into that smaller body is pretty cool. Even though they've had to cram a smaller screen into it. And the small viewfinder or the, you know, crappy of youf finder I guess, and one card slot still when I saw him side by side, it's, it is pretty small. So it's, they've done well and they haven't crippled the video specs. They haven't crippled the like frames per second shooting. All the buffer and all that stuff. [00:49:58] Speaker A: They've done a good job slightly. [00:50:00] Speaker C: The buffer may be slightly. [00:50:01] Speaker A: No, the FPS I think is slightly low. I think it's six instead of eight. [00:50:06] Speaker D: Is that right? [00:50:08] Speaker B: Check this camera out before you sign up to give away straps. [00:50:11] Speaker C: I'm pretty sure the frames for a second is still. [00:50:17] Speaker A: Mechanical anyway. Sorry, mechanical. [00:50:20] Speaker C: Maybe slightly less mechanical. Yeah. [00:50:24] Speaker D: An alternate universe. This is brilliant. It's Bizarro World, that's what it is. [00:50:32] Speaker C: David, you can go to bed now. It's totally fine. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:35] Speaker D: Good night, David. [00:50:37] Speaker C: Good night. [00:50:38] Speaker B: To summarize as well, what I've been saying, like, I, I, I love Olympus. I've, I've been involved with Olympus for years. My dad worked with them for years. I, I get, I think I just get personally disappointed when I see something come out that I'm like, oh, I'm really excited about what's going to be. And it's like, okay, it's just a nice looking body. So I'm a little bit more invested, I guess with passion about the brand than most people. [00:51:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:01] Speaker B: And that's fair enough. [00:51:02] Speaker C: And that's what's really interesting is you're, you're a user, you're, you're, you're not just like a random like say a reviewer on YouTube, like even just because you could. Yeah, you could get a reviewer just sort of flaming. [00:51:14] Speaker B: There's some seven OM things. I've got OM lenses here, I've got bodies everywhere I've been, I've used them my whole life, like. And I have to credit that camera for getting me shots that I don't think other cameras could give me with, with their weatherproofing and image stabilizing and things like that. They're a fantastic camera. But the last couple of cameras they brought out, I've just been. I'm worried that they're going to probably just stop getting anywhere. Like they're going to drop in sales and all of a sudden they're gone. And this iconic brand that I love so much is now just obsolete, not around anymore. So that's where I get passionate about it. So it sounds like I'm taking this out of them. [00:51:48] Speaker C: Tell me this then. What would you like to see from them next? If you, if you were head of product, what. What would you bring out? [00:51:56] Speaker B: I think. I think it's about time. They've got to update the sensor. So Panasonic are doing 24 megapixel sensors. I think if they can squeeze some more megapixels out of that sensor would be handy. But I honestly don't think, like the om1 mark2. I almost think that is the perfect camera. Like, it is a stunningly good camera with its image stabilizing weather, stab, weather ceiling, all the computational modes in it. Like, I use it up at Kakadu to do bird photography. The AI tracking on that thing is really nuts. It's good. There's not much I would fix about that camera apart from maybe just having some more megapixels so I can print things a bit bigger if I want to. And, you know, I don't crop too much, but if I need to crop something, I've got a bit of, bit of freedom to do that. But apart from that, I think it's almost the perfect brand because it's lightweight, the lenses are great. Like I said, the autofocus is snappy. I don't do any videos. It doesn't really worry me about video. But there's a lot of good things about that camera. I've sold so, so many of them. I've turned customers off Nikon and Canon. They rock up with their brand, Canon and Nikon or whatever. And I just put my camera in their hand for a couple of seconds. They're like, oh, that's so much better. And that's the kind of you get out of that. Yep, that's the kind of shot I can get out of it. And like, I've sold hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of OM system stuff. And that's why. That's what I mean. Like, I don't think they need to do much more. Apart from maybe a bit more technology into the sensor, I think. I think they're kicking ass with what they've got. Their technology is great. [00:53:23] Speaker A: One thing I noticed at bfop, and we were all at BFOP in What was it, October? Yeah, it was October, wasn't it? Yeah, in October we were all there and what impressed me was the amount of people who said they'll using OM systems. So yeah, you know, obviously I've been very invested in Fujifilm. That's no secret there. And I shot Canon before that and I have an awareness of people around me who use other brands but I had less awareness about people who we. Maybe I didn't pay attention to it enough. But at Beef, I was so stunned by how many people saying, yeah, I've got this because I couldn't carry the Canon anymore and this does everything I need. [00:54:00] Speaker B: And it's a huge game changer. The weight, the weight factor is huge. [00:54:05] Speaker A: Yeah, well that's what turned me to Fujifilm because I couldn't carry heavy gear anymore. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And then you get guys like Justin who are like spring chicken 40 year olds who wander around and he's getting onto fitness next week. He said he's probably, he's probably, he's got to stay fit just so he can carry his canning gear around. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Oh, and it does CrossFit. [00:54:21] Speaker C: I was gonna say we're doing it. We're doing a Spartan race in Bright next week that I'm quite. [00:54:29] Speaker B: I bet you won't carry your camera backpack on that. [00:54:32] Speaker C: Challenge accepted. No, I'm definitely not. It's 21k's uphill. There's no chance. [00:54:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:54:41] Speaker A: I just want to jump to it. [00:54:43] Speaker C: Oh, hang on. [00:54:43] Speaker D: Now that we're trying to undo all the damage we did to the OM brand, I just want to bring up this very. What I believe is a quite a valid point when it comes to Olympus. What a lot of people Forget is in 2010 they went incredibly retro when they went to micro4 thirds and they released the pen, which was named after the film pen from the 60s and 70s. This is not new for them. This is. They've been down this path before and in fact I would say they revolutionized the industry when they did that because they. So Four Thirds was fantastic. I owned a lot of Four Thirds gear and then they went to Micro Four Thirds. They built phenomenal cameras with weatherproofing. They built cameras that were small, lightweight and again that revolutionized things. Canon and Nikon were tripping over themselves to make a compact mirrorless system which they didn't have in 2010. So hats off to Olympus for what they have done for the industry. And I'm with Cam on this. It would be a crying shame if that company OM System, so technically Olympus don't exist anymore. But for cameras that is. But if OM system would have bite the dust because, you know, the industry owes them a lot and. Yeah, I completely agree. They produce wonderful products. I think the point that we're making Here is the OM3 could have been so much more or so much closer to an OM12 than it is to an OM5 purely for the price point. So yeah, I think if you look beyond that, again, the OM3, if you like it, go buy it. You're going to get yourself a fantastic camera and a great looking camera to boot. So. [00:56:18] Speaker B: Okay, I'll go buy it. [00:56:19] Speaker D: Thanks. [00:56:20] Speaker B: Friends convince me. [00:56:22] Speaker A: I, I was tempted by it. I, I had to write. I wrote it up for Shock Kit, who I write for just a news piece saying here it comes. Because it been. The leaks had been terrible. And that's another topic for another night perhaps. [00:56:35] Speaker C: Were they leaks or were they. It was that. Yeah. Was it like. Because they weren't they. [00:56:42] Speaker A: Well, no room. There was a little bit like there was a couple of images. But they've been hinting at this for like the OM rumors. Sites have been hinting at this for about three months. [00:56:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:52] Speaker A: You know, and they all had their version of, you know, we have an insider and we, you know, sources close to them know that this is, you know, it's all that kind of rubbish. But I will say this, that it did interest me and it tempted me. But more than anything, it made me look at OM Systems with a lot more respect because as I said earlier, it was something that I hadn't really looked into as a potential camera or camera brand. And it made me look at the rest of the, of the, the lineup. Oh, okay. So they've got these new lenses coming. They're actually investing in glass as well as bodies, which is great. And I love companies that update existing lenses that are amazing. [00:57:29] Speaker B: Yep. [00:57:30] Speaker A: You know, the last thing you want to speed. [00:57:32] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:57:32] Speaker B: The new 100. [00:57:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Yeah. We stabilize on it, which is great. [00:57:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And then the two primes with the, you know, going from a plastic cheap. It's still cheap, it's still reasonably priced and they're. And they're really sharp glass. So yeah, I really applaud them for that. But I think you're right. I think what we're seeing here because don't forget we exist in a bubble. You know, we have a lot of inside knowledge about the industry. We have a lot of experience donal knowledge and experience about the industry. We've lived it, we've worked it. So we're in a bubble. So our passion is pretty intense. But I think, you know, it all sort of boils back to if you've got the money and you want to spend money on a camera that looks good, then go for it. If it makes you go out, if it makes you go out and take photos. [00:58:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:17] Speaker A: And you're happy to spend $3,500 to do that. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:20] Speaker A: Whatever your reasons are for getting it, well, then that's great. And like you said, if, if people do take that line of thought around, you know, let's. I'm just going to give it a go. I'm just going to give it a shot. It's got some, you know, I'm new to the system or I'm coming from an older OM camera, you know, like a, you know, a lower grade model. And yeah, I'm going to make this jump. I like the idea of it being, you know, just getting the one lens, like you said, treating it like a street everyday travel camera. Yeah. And just going for it. And that means that OM hopefully will stay afloat because they'll get sales from it. [00:58:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I'll tell you what, if they bring out a black version of the OM3 after I bring buy the silver one, you're going to hear some real anger. Yeah. [00:59:03] Speaker D: I'm hearing rumors of an OM3 titanium edition. [00:59:06] Speaker B: Yeah. If they bring in a titanium one, I, I will. Yeah. [00:59:10] Speaker A: Yeah. With that scratch free Duratech that Fuji put on the X Pro 3 a few years back. [00:59:14] Speaker D: Work. There you go. [00:59:15] Speaker B: You know what? [00:59:15] Speaker A: It's going to be seven, seven and a half thousand dollars. [00:59:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, I had one of those. They're very cool. [00:59:21] Speaker A: They are very cool. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:23] Speaker C: Anyway, what do you guys want to. What do you guys want to chat about for the very short remainder of the show that we've got left? [00:59:29] Speaker B: Have we started? Have we. I thought this is. [00:59:32] Speaker D: Yeah, this is just having a beer. This was the green room. [00:59:35] Speaker B: Before we go. [00:59:38] Speaker A: You guys are a cheap date. [00:59:40] Speaker C: I had a lot of things on my list, but one of the things was basically what we've half covered before. But you know, you said this is essentially just a reshow of your entire podcast last week, which is fun. I think we've dug a little deeper though, maybe. But you got pretty deep into the reviews and YouTube reviews and worrying about whether you're getting accurate or not necessarily accurate, but genuine information or just marketing sales pitches from. [01:00:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:09] Speaker C: All of the big YouTube channels that review cameras and that kind of thing. So what I, what I wanted to find out is between the four of us, can we work out how do people figure out how to, to decide to make a purchase? [01:00:22] Speaker D: It's very, it's very easy. And you have referenced this guy several times by saying that they didn't cripple their camera. And that is Camera Conspiracies. We across Camera Conspiracies. [01:00:32] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah, he's, he's, he's pretty fun. [01:00:36] Speaker D: He is a funny bastard and we would love to have him on the channel. I don't think he does that kind of interviews and stuff. But for those of you who don't know camera conspiracy, well, you never know. Camera Conspirac. Casey, if you're watching Camera Conspiracies is a, a channel that basically takes the mickey out of the industry. It's a guy that actually runs his own YouTube channel called Vegetable Police, which is all about better healthy eating and healthy living. But while he was making that YouTube channel, he wanted to buy the perfect camera to make the channel and he found out that it just doesn't exist. And his theme song is All I Want is the perfect Camera. And from there it's led to that channel is almost overtaken. He's vegetable channel because every week he puts out, you know, he Talked about the OM3 last week and it's bloody hilarious. So his take on it is, is very, very good. So that's, that's the boy right there. [01:01:30] Speaker B: So I think, I think have a look at that stuff in retrospective, what we spoke about on our channel last week. Thinking about it now, like watching the reviewers and the reviewing, the reviewers. There, there is a gap in trying to find good information about cameras. Like you said, like, if you're not in the industry like we are, or you're shooting or, you know, you eat this for breakfast, lunch and dinner, how do you know what you're going to get and how do you know what's going to be better or worse for what you need a camera for? And it's a really hard one. Like, you know, you should be able to go into your local camera store and trust what they're going to tell you. But that's not always the case because they're working on incentives and, you know, they're getting fed information, stuff like that. You go on YouTube and I think someone mentioned also that YouTube's really heavily influenced by the big brand. So you don't know what you're going to get there. Yeah. So I don't know, how do you get some sort of information or how do you get some honest feedback on A camera that you're looking at you. [01:02:27] Speaker D: You ask someone like me, and I'm not being a smart ass. [01:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah, because. [01:02:31] Speaker D: And so I run an Indo. I'm an independent camera store. I do not have, I'm not hooked to any of the big chains. If you come in and talk to me, I will sell you the camera or give you the information. I don't care where you buy it. Buy it from me. Buy it, don't buy it for me. It doesn't worry me. Print a photo with me instead, whatever. But what I, what I don't do is bow to the brands. I will put the camera in your hand that I think is right for you. Not what I need to sell because I've got aging stock sitting out there with a massive spiv on it. You know, it's. You talk to someone like myself, you talk to guys like Peninsula Cameras down the Mornington Peninsula that, you know, they're an independent store. Some of the bigger chain stores, individual salespeople within them are quite good and you'll become buddies with them and they'll help you out. But to a lesser extent, your JB hi Fi is of the world who are just box movers, you know. And as I say, they need to sell X number of units so they get the stretch bonus or they get the bigger discount incentive, all that sort of stuff. See, seek out independence and seek out independent camera stores of yes, we know we're a dying breed, but very proud to say that I am one and reach out to myself. Reach out to Cam Down south photo show. We'll help you out. [01:03:47] Speaker B: I don't talk to people. What are you talking about? [01:03:48] Speaker A: I don't sell cameras. But if you contact me, I'll tell you to buy a Fujifilm. I'm not biased. Although for a while there, everyone started accusing us of running a Fujifilm like a covert Fujifilm podcast. [01:04:02] Speaker B: We hate OM System podcast, so good luck with that. [01:04:05] Speaker A: I will say we love you, om. Thanks for the strap. [01:04:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's funny because you've had two. [01:04:10] Speaker C: Very passionate OM Systems users on. [01:04:15] Speaker A: But I will say that another good way to find out, you know what, Whether a camera is good, what you should buy, whether the one that you're thinking is actually for you is join a photography community. You know, I do bang on about community because it's, it's my job and you know, speak to peers, join a camera club, go online and join a, you know, if you're looking at getting a, an Olympus OM3 and you're not sure whether you actually should drop the three and a half or the three for the body only then. Yeah, join an online OM system on Facebook preferably, you know, have a look on Reddit. You know you'll always get honesty on Reddit for the most part as much as it's the bane of Google. If you dig enough you'll, you'll get a trend. You'll get a, you'll get a. [01:05:01] Speaker D: It's like everything if, if you dig enough you will get the answers and that's what it's all. [01:05:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it talks. [01:05:06] Speaker D: Appears look, the minute you get a review up and most of the good reviewers will say this is a sponsored ad, this is a sponsored video. They gave me the camera. Don't we don't keep watching it. I mean it's not going to be of any benefit to you. They're going to tell you stuff you already know. They're not and they'll give you a biased opinion. [01:05:28] Speaker A: So look I do, I do love Petapixel but to be fair they, they, you know obviously they're working with brands very closely because they get pre production models weeks in advance and I look I've been there, I've had pre production Fuji cameras sent to me to review which has given me the time to properly test it. And in my reviews I'll say keep in mind this is a pre production model. The autofocus on this lens was, was slow as shit but it is pre production so I can't say but often you see these first to drop videos and they're saying well we can't test that right now because it's pre production but the brand assures us, you know, so there's already that the brand sweet talking. [01:06:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [01:06:07] Speaker A: You through us. Yeah, basically it'll be fine. You know I don't like that. I'd rather them wait until they've actually had some time to properly test it. Not, not a, a day in Cat in Vancouver, you know. [01:06:21] Speaker B: Yeah. I think something that's also missing out of the industry that's been missing for a few years now is and BFOps tried to get this back a bit is like there used to be industry days. We used to be able to go to Jeff Shed and there's big camera days or used to be able to walk around and play with all the cameras and pick them up, have a look at them and you know it'd be like going to a used car sales person because they're all trying to sell you a camera but they're all There in the one spot you can compare, you can talk, there's other people you can talk to. Those things are gone. They used to be so good. Used to. [01:06:49] Speaker A: They're just trade shows now for actual industry experts. [01:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah, let them back into the public and, you know, maybe, maybe we're part of that issue because we do everything online these days that the drive is that we just get online and Google what we want to find and away we go and we buy online and do all that kind of stuff. But yeah, like that. That's where we're getting this influence from is because it's really easy just to get online and be influenced. It's a bit harder to do that when you're in person feeling things and picking things up and talking to people. Most people can smell a fair way away. So that's one thing I miss. Like, that's why I think it's great that they have a little trade show at Bright Festival is that all the camera brands are there and everyone's happy. They're all. They're not all punching on with each other. They're all. No, it's a. It's a big family of camera brands trying to get the right camera. [01:07:33] Speaker C: I was gonna say, I think everyone teamed up on Sony, but they brought that on themselves. [01:07:37] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. Sony, Are they even. They got to be banned for coming back. [01:07:41] Speaker C: I hope they're not. It was so funny listening. That wasn't at befop. The Sony guys I'm sure were great, but they just weren't. All the other brands were like there for the weekend to give as much as they could. Whereas Sony, I don't think they had an idea of what they were getting themselves into. [01:07:58] Speaker B: No, they didn't read the script, I don't think. I think they just went, oh, we'll just rock up Sony. [01:08:02] Speaker D: Yeah, they were probably briefed really well. They just didn't carry it out and pass that information onto the cats that were actually there. [01:08:08] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, obviously they had the information available to them, but the people that rocked up for Sony, I don't think realize what they were walking into. And yeah, so they didn't come across as like Nick on killed it. Canon did a great job. Being that. They're all good. They're all good. Try. [01:08:27] Speaker A: Yeah, like. And you're right, it was that. It was that vibe of, oh, I can look now, I can go and compare this with the Canon over there. [01:08:33] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. [01:08:34] Speaker A: Actually, Cam, it was one of those trade shows in the late. At the End of. It was either the end of 2013 or the start of 2014 that got me back into photography. I hadn't done proper photography since high school and art school. And it was that that made me pick up a camera and it was at the booth and they had, you know, the boots were huge and Nikon were giving away like silver steel, like stainless steel roller cases for camera gear and there were raffles and prizes. It was such a good event. And it was there that I went and yeah, tested a bunch of cameras and spoke to people about it and we were all. [01:09:07] Speaker B: A friend of myself and my cousin Daniel were in Vegas a few months ago in between our America trips that we're doing. And there was a big car show on massive sema, huge car show that my cousin was right into. And I went and had a look one day with him after you went home, friends. And it was Jeff Shed times five, like huge. But every big brand of car or every big brand of car polish or whatever had their own store. It reminded me of the old days when, you know, Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony, Fuji, all were in that big shed. And then you had all the, you know, Relaroo and you had all Kennedys and you had all the other guys there doing their stuff. It was so cool. You could go there for the whole weekend, try stuff out, get great deals and walk out with a camera and like you said, get the passion back into it. These days they're like, you guys can just go online because you're doing it. We're not gonna, we're not gonna worry about it. Just jump online and find a camera. [01:09:56] Speaker D: So I think the last one Jeff shed was like 2011 or something like that. [01:10:00] Speaker B: And am I that old? Emma? [01:10:03] Speaker D: It was a long time ago. And fun, fun fact. That's where I met Peter Eastway. He gave it. He gave a talk there and, and that's what they did. Glenn Lavender spoke at that, you know, and they would. They had this stand there similar to B flop but, you know, big. [01:10:17] Speaker B: He wasn't invited. He just rocked up and started speaking. [01:10:19] Speaker D: No, he was out the front with a little sign. [01:10:21] Speaker B: That's right, yeah. A little sandwich board saying I need food. [01:10:24] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right, exactly. [01:10:25] Speaker D: But, you know, and it was a brilliant event. I mean, you know, they, but they did. It wasn't just cameras. They had picture framers went to it, you know. Yeah, everything manufacturers, Hoya, CR Kennedy, all these guys were there. So. [01:10:38] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe we can start a petition. [01:10:41] Speaker D: Well, what happened was it, I mean, the industry crashed so there was a, you know, they disappeared. So it was obviously. [01:10:48] Speaker A: Yeah, Fujifilm made a couple of attempts to bring it back. They did. The people with cameras events. Did you guys ever heard of hear about those? Leader Pro set them up and they were at sort of. The first one was at Docklands and then we outgrew that and then it was at another event, but it was covert. Just like killed it killed everything. But it, you know, it. It was sort of slowly ramping up and gaining momentum and, you know, there were talks and, you know, all different brands there and. But, yeah, I think it's sorely missed, but Beef. But you're right, we're lucky. We are privileged in. In Victoria that we have a, you know, the one and only photography festival that's still running and. And actually growing and almost outgrowing itself some. [01:11:32] Speaker D: Someone should start one in Tasmania. [01:11:34] Speaker B: They should. [01:11:35] Speaker C: We'll come down. We'll come down. [01:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll be there. We'll bring the van. On the boat. [01:11:42] Speaker B: Yeah, on the boat. Well, you have to book now because the boat's. [01:11:47] Speaker D: T. Maybe. [01:11:49] Speaker B: Look, originally it was T and then B ripped the name off, so I had to change it. That's okay. It's a long story, that. But it is. [01:11:56] Speaker A: If you have it in Lonnie. If you have it in Lonnie, you can have like, l Flop. L Flop. Or we could just change it. [01:12:01] Speaker D: Well, I'm thinking Ocean Grove, so it could be OG Fop. [01:12:04] Speaker B: What about HO Fop? [01:12:09] Speaker D: I'm gonna run with that. [01:12:10] Speaker C: Oh, dear. [01:12:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Whatever you do, just don't ask Matt Crummons about that. That story. He doesn't. [01:12:15] Speaker D: Oh, he told everyone at BE Pop last year. [01:12:17] Speaker C: I know. [01:12:18] Speaker B: That's okay. On stage, that's fine. I wasn't there. I'm never on stage anymore. They get us up there, they treat us like cattle, and then we just go home again. Don't even get to drink anymore at befop. [01:12:29] Speaker C: Oh, that's right. [01:12:31] Speaker B: That's the only reason I go is never drinking. Now I'm on top of Mount Buffalo three hours of the night now that I'm shooting boring Auroras and stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. [01:12:40] Speaker C: Very quickly, before we get to some quick comments, I wanted to give you guys my thoughts on YouTube reviewers. [01:12:48] Speaker A: Is that what we're talking about? Yeah. [01:12:52] Speaker D: I saw you sitting back there taking. [01:12:54] Speaker C: Notes, and I was listening a lot. I was listening a lot. I just wanted to circle back. I think you got to divide it up into two things as to whether you're considering a new brand or Whether you're invested in your own brand, if you're invested in your own brand, I don't think there's a lot of value in the petapixels of the world that review tons of cameras and often compare them to each other and say, oh, you know, this is like the A7R whatever and the R5 slightly worse at this and not as good at that. Doesn't matter. If you're not considering swapping to Sony and you're a Canon shooter, find a Canon shooter that isn't sponsored by Canon. You can look if they're sponsored by Canon, use that for product knowledge. Like you can suck product knowledge out of there, but don't use it to decide if you're going to buy a camera. But if they're, you know, if they're showing you through how they set their menus up and stuff like that, beautiful. And then find a smaller person that isn't sponsored by Canon but makes decent videos. And look at the, like, look at where they're at and you know, are they shooting the sort of stuff you're shooting? And then just dig into those, find a few channels like that and find. [01:14:01] Speaker A: Someone that actually bought it with your own money. [01:14:03] Speaker B: Exactly. I think, I think with, with, with the effort, time and effort, you can, you can weed through a lot of the, of what the reviewers are doing and you can't. Like you said, you're right, Justin. You can find the ones that straight away, the first couple of minutes you're like, okay, you're genuine. You know, the first couple minutes you're being honest about what the camera, where you got it from, if you bought it or not, if you've been given it and, and there. And then once you find one, they're great to go back because you know that like that consistency as well. So. Yeah, yeah, 100%. [01:14:30] Speaker C: I tried to do a few for the, the R5 Mark II. Not reviews though. All I did was, and they're all separate videos and I'd just be like R5 Mark 2i autofocus test compared to the R5 and the R3. And I just, just compared them and then I did a high ISO one and just compared them all and stuff. And people still ask me in the comments now they're like, so which one did you think was better? Because I didn't, I don't think I even did. I just showed them what they each did and then people can make their own decisions kind of thing. So try and find someone that's done that with the model that you've got and the model you're thinking of getting and the features you're interested in and see if you can actually tell the difference or if it's just a waste of money, you know? [01:15:15] Speaker B: Yeah. 100. Yeah. Anyway, that's what I. Brendan, I see our friends joined the chat. Have you seen that? [01:15:22] Speaker C: Which one? [01:15:25] Speaker B: One of our number one fans has just put a comment up about my hat. [01:15:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:15:31] Speaker C: Oh, sorry, hang on. [01:15:32] Speaker A: You go. [01:15:32] Speaker C: I'm on. [01:15:33] Speaker A: You do it. [01:15:34] Speaker B: There you go. [01:15:35] Speaker C: Ansel Adams called Monster Candy. [01:15:37] Speaker A: I've got the exact same hat, don't worry. [01:15:39] Speaker C: Yeah, speaking of hipsters right there. I need to get the hat and the beard. [01:15:47] Speaker B: Yeah, well, you haven't gone through puberty yet, have you? [01:15:50] Speaker A: He's been growing that beard he's got now for six months. [01:15:54] Speaker D: So apparently you can. You can provide everyone's actual name behind the alias for us, can't you? That's. That's right, isn't it? Yeah. So, okay. [01:16:02] Speaker C: That's right. It brings up phone numbers as well. [01:16:04] Speaker D: Way to give yourself up phone numbers as well. Emails are right. [01:16:08] Speaker B: Take Taking the. Pierce is a loyal fan and follower of ours. [01:16:12] Speaker C: Yeah, that is. That is a good name. [01:16:15] Speaker D: The jig is up. [01:16:16] Speaker B: The jig is up. We'll get emails, we get messages. We know, we know who it is. We're just not letting on, you know. [01:16:21] Speaker C: Yeah, just. [01:16:22] Speaker D: Just touching back on influences, though, and what you were saying, influences. Reviewers. A point we made earlier, and that is, you're quite right that the bigger reviewers and influencers get the gear early. It sort of reflects what we said earlier. Wait a bit until some of the more independent, smaller channels that don't have the big budgets that, you know, these camera manufacturers aren't throwing cameras at that, you know, I know. Camera conspiracies. For example, he'll wander down to his local camera store, Camera Canada, and he will, he will get the camera off the shelf, you know, as. And well, they'll help him. That was. Yeah, he'll borrow it for an hour or whatever. You know, that that's really important, I think. And, and, you know, don't, don't, don't fall for the hype of the brand new shiny toy. Let it, let the dust settle on these things. I mean, there'll be a firmware Update for an om3 probably already, you know, before it's even hit anyone's hands. Because that's, that's what they do. They, you know, they put out these cameras and then people use them for a while and they go oh, hang on. Did you realize that at ISO 3200 you get banding if you shoot incandescent light, you know, that sort of stuff. Because I've lost count of how many times I wanted to do that. [01:17:32] Speaker A: But you know, it's also the, the biggest seat of this. All this whole thing is FOMO and brands whip up fomo. [01:17:39] Speaker D: Correct. [01:17:40] Speaker A: That's exactly, you know, that, that, you know this, this camera is probably going to be out of stock in a couple of weeks or when is it even out officially. Okay. So the OM3, so it's going to be out in a couple of weeks and it's gonna, it will sell out because there won't be enough for the demand. Just like you know, with the Fuji X1 hundreds and that drives that FOMO. And so people will think, yeah, but Petapixel said it's, it's beautiful, it's brilliant. They've had it for two weeks pre production. So I need to put my deposit down, my pre order down. So you've already made a decision because you're scared you're going to miss out on it because look at the Fujifilm X100. I still know photographers that are looking for this. [01:18:23] Speaker B: Them. I got one for sale, that one right here. Black one. [01:18:27] Speaker C: Oh yeah, yeah, it's, it's a fair point, Greg, because I, yeah. Only recently have I pre ordered stuff and I'm in a different position with camera gear now than when I was working as a professional photographer and that was my sole, like my main source. [01:18:45] Speaker B: Of income, which being a camera, being a Canon guy, you'd have to like pre sale everything every three weeks because they bring a new model every month. You'd have to, you know, it was. [01:18:55] Speaker C: Four year gap between the R5 and the R5. [01:18:57] Speaker A: He's going to need another lie down in a minute. [01:19:01] Speaker B: Seems like Canon brings stuff out every week anyway. [01:19:04] Speaker C: No, not, not at all. I mean they bring though they release a lot of products but if you're, it depends what line, like where you're at. If you're, if you're shooting full frame professional stuff, it's like you're either shooting with an R5 series or an R6 series maybe or the flagship kind of stuff. And so there's three potential cameras. Everything else under that is like prosumer stuff. And yeah, they probably do flick that out fairly regularly but you're not updating. So if you're shooting an R5. Yeah, I think it was a four year gap. Three or four. [01:19:32] Speaker B: Right. Okay. [01:19:33] Speaker C: Either or. Yeah. So people are desperate for that update. Yeah, yeah, it's. I don't know, they don't, they don't bring out enough lenses, I don't think. But that'd be good. [01:19:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:43] Speaker C: What was I gonna say? But yeah, I've pre ordered a few recently, but back when I was, when I was shooting weddings and stuff like that, I'd agonize over it and then wait for them to come out and then touch them in a camera shop and then wait and hope that they get cheaper and then, you know, like, because you didn't, you don't need that, that day, you know, like you wait six months, it will get cheaper. [01:20:04] Speaker A: And there's nothing quite like, there's nothing quite like walking into a camera store and wanting to buy. Now considering buying a new lens, you've done your due diligence, you found pricing, you know, and actually getting it and taking your camera body in with you and slapping that new lens on and you know, zooming around the shop and out the door to test it. There's nothing quite like that compared to buying online. It's so soulless. [01:20:27] Speaker D: Ah, those were the days, Greg. [01:20:29] Speaker A: I know those are the days. I mean there are still. It's not possible for everyone obviously, but, but gosh, it's nice. I do like it. And I always go, that's what we're all. Always put a filter on the brand new lens before I even leave the shop. It's like it's my little ritual, you know. [01:20:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [01:20:47] Speaker D: Yeah. That's what we're up against now though, you know, the camera stores are getting few and far between, particularly in, in regional areas and particularly like getting stock and having an OM3. Like you're not going to find an OM3 on the shelf in. Probably not in camera house and Bendigo or. [01:21:03] Speaker C: No, I mean, probably not. [01:21:07] Speaker D: You know, and, and with good reason. They're going to target towards where the markets are and I understand that. But you know, and this has been the, the biggest downside of the Internet is, you know, it's, it's. No, it's not a new thing. Like 2000, in year 2000, cameras were starting to be sold online, you know, so we've been putting up with this for a quarter of a century already where you can't reach into the screen and grab the camera and put it in your hand and feel and it's such a bummer. It's such a bummer because, you know, the people, they, they see an ad on TV on, you know, late night TV for a Nikon P900. And. And. And Nikon did that. And you know, they sold quite a lot of them on the back of that. And then they got this camera that weighed more than their head. You know, it was just awful. [01:21:51] Speaker B: So some heads are heavier than others. [01:21:56] Speaker D: If it weighed more than my head, that's. That's impressive. But you know what I'm getting? Yeah. Shame that the, that these people can't go to a camera store anymore and pick up a camera. It's the way the world. [01:22:08] Speaker B: You know, that's like test driving. Like test driving a car. You can't, you know, you can't buy a car online as such. You go test drive it. You get in there and you want to feel how it drives and how it feels and how it handles. Like we've been in. [01:22:19] Speaker A: More and more people are buying cars online now. [01:22:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:22] Speaker C: Because it's true. [01:22:23] Speaker A: They watch the reviews and it. Oh, well, I've seen all I need to know. [01:22:26] Speaker B: So what we're saying, let's walk around. [01:22:28] Speaker A: And kick the tires anymore. [01:22:29] Speaker C: If Peter McKinnon wants a Tesla, then I want a Tesla. [01:22:33] Speaker B: Yeah. We're just lazy. Yeah. [01:22:37] Speaker A: Convenience. We. We fill our lives with convenience. We feel our lives with so much convenience that we become too busy to see the trap. [01:22:45] Speaker B: And we're always time poor. Even everyone's got no time for it. [01:22:48] Speaker A: Because we filled our life with convenience. Yeah, you know. [01:22:52] Speaker D: Yeah, that's exactly right. [01:22:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:58] Speaker C: Few. Few quick comments before we wrap this thing up. We were going to try and keep these shows to an hour, but, you know, you guys are too much fun. There was a lot. There was a lot of love for. [01:23:08] Speaker D: Anyone said that. Cam. [01:23:09] Speaker B: Hello. [01:23:11] Speaker C: You'll have to come back. This can't be the only time. [01:23:13] Speaker B: Yeah, well. [01:23:18] Speaker C: Oh, this was. [01:23:19] Speaker A: We haven't even gotten to the paddling ceremony yet, so. [01:23:22] Speaker D: That's right. [01:23:23] Speaker C: We can't go. [01:23:25] Speaker B: Maybe I will start having a drink. [01:23:27] Speaker D: That's a paddle on. [01:23:29] Speaker C: So, yeah. A lot of love for Peninsula cameras in the chat. Tony, my friend with his cryptic advice. The fastest way to get the correct answer to a question is to give the wrong answer to it. [01:23:43] Speaker D: I think that's particularly on social media. [01:23:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:47] Speaker D: You'll soon be told. [01:23:49] Speaker B: You'll be lucky for us. Lucky for us, we're never wrong. That's the good thing. [01:23:52] Speaker D: It's not you. [01:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I can imagine. [01:23:55] Speaker C: Bruce. Bruce chimed in on the bfop. Sony guys, they were amazing to the people that saw them. I wasn't one of them. David Skinner bought their old Ezo monitors and Epson P800 at the last show held 10 years ago, so. 10 years ago, that'd only be 2015, you reckon? [01:24:14] Speaker D: 24, I think it was before that I, I didn't have camera and photo when the last one was held and I've had that for 11 years, so. [01:24:21] Speaker C: 11 years. Nice work. [01:24:23] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:24:23] Speaker A: Wow. [01:24:24] Speaker D: Hanging on, Jim. [01:24:27] Speaker C: We're all just hanging on. Just. We're all just hanging on. What else we got? What's Les Oakley? The Canon MD is back. I have no idea what that means. [01:24:37] Speaker B: Md, that's the mount, isn't it? MD mount, okay. It was the Canon omd. [01:24:45] Speaker D: What? [01:24:46] Speaker B: Well the. Canon's old film camera, that was an MD mount. So maybe, maybe Canon's bringing out something. [01:24:53] Speaker C: Yeah, well maybe. [01:24:55] Speaker B: I reckon Canon should bring out a little like their old range finders that they had. [01:25:02] Speaker C: It would crush. But they just. I think Greg said this the other day. It's like they just got. They seem to have zero interest in, in anything like that retro sort of side of anything. They just like onward and upward, keep normal, normal shaped cameras and we just. [01:25:15] Speaker A: Do that, you know, they're edging ahead of market share. They're all the brands and why, why change what's already working for you? [01:25:24] Speaker C: There's a rumor of a new compact coming in the next month or two. [01:25:28] Speaker B: Yeah, like just, it just gets. [01:25:30] Speaker A: Oh, there's nothing wrong but they, they just, they're stubborn, I reckon. I reckon they're really stubborn about their brand. It's like, no, this is what we do and this is the direction we're heading. Look how long it took to get serious about mirrorless. Like. [01:25:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. They can get the Canon Collective to promote it for him maybe. [01:25:47] Speaker C: Oh yeah, the Canon Collective. [01:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:50] Speaker A: Back in the day. [01:25:51] Speaker B: Back in the day. They not around anymore? [01:25:53] Speaker C: No. [01:25:54] Speaker D: Liz has just said that MD stands for Managing Director. [01:25:58] Speaker C: Ah, okay. [01:26:00] Speaker D: Canon Managing Director. We don't do, we don't do corporate speak, Les. [01:26:05] Speaker C: No. [01:26:06] Speaker A: Can't you see a fantastic book called Death by Comfort? Read Greg's comment on convenience. Sounds delightful. [01:26:17] Speaker C: Sounds terrifying. Paul says, took me 10 years to outgrow my 5D Mark III and justify upgrading to the R5. Well done. That's a, that's a good run out of a camera. Nice work. [01:26:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:28] Speaker B: Has his elbows and shoulders now though. Those 5Ds are heavy. [01:26:33] Speaker C: I don't know, but his photos would be amazing. [01:26:35] Speaker B: These photos. That looks like Bryce Canyon in that photo there with snow. [01:26:40] Speaker C: Is that what that is? [01:26:41] Speaker B: I think it's Bryce Canyon. [01:26:43] Speaker C: Yeah, very cool. Bryce Canyon. With snow would be. [01:26:47] Speaker B: Yeah. How'd you go? Bryce Canyon friends. Did you go right. Did you get any shots there? [01:26:52] Speaker D: I had a great time at Bryce Canyon. One moment in particular. [01:26:58] Speaker C: Doesn't matter. Do we have enough time for this story or should we. [01:27:01] Speaker D: No. [01:27:03] Speaker B: Well circle back in a couple of weeks. [01:27:05] Speaker C: We'll talk about that when we. Or maybe when we've got you on for a full interview by yourself. [01:27:10] Speaker B: Yeah, he's got. [01:27:12] Speaker D: Yeah, sounds great. [01:27:14] Speaker C: Paul Sutton says glad to make the random live. Thanks guys. Nev Clark says oh I have to find travel. I'd have to travel 500km to find a camera store. It's hard living semi remote. [01:27:26] Speaker B: Yeah. That's another thing as well. People live in camera stores. Yeah. [01:27:30] Speaker A: Although it doesn't. [01:27:31] Speaker C: Doesn't stop Nev. Philip McCallum an hour and a half to his closest camera store in Orange. And Craig says we're lucky in Orange to have a great camera house. So that's good. [01:27:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:43] Speaker C: One Shout out. [01:27:44] Speaker D: Shout out to Pat who's watching. He's an ocean Grover. [01:27:47] Speaker C: Where is he? [01:27:47] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [01:27:49] Speaker D: Had a thing up on the screen before so. [01:27:52] Speaker C: Sup, Pat? Paul Sutton says a real benefit of the local camera store is I can take. Take it back and put it on the counter and say fix it when it breaks. Is that. Do you guys offer that kind of service to you? [01:28:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:05] Speaker D: I actually had had a Canon 700D come onto my desk today and the lady wants to blow the dust off it and get it going again. So I'm cleaning the sensor and I'm putting the new firmware in it and I'm. Yeah. 700D. I've said this before on our show is one of the greatest cameras ever made. Why I stand by that. I don't care what anyone I know. It's got a small sensor, blah blah, blah. [01:28:29] Speaker A: That's what I started with. [01:28:30] Speaker D: Wonderful piece of kit. [01:28:32] Speaker A: That's what I picked up at that camera show. 700 there. [01:28:35] Speaker D: Great camera. [01:28:36] Speaker C: Interesting. [01:28:36] Speaker D: If you can see one, you'll find one on eBay for 300 bucks less 200 bucks. Go buy one. They're great. [01:28:41] Speaker C: Y. I started with a 60D. That was a very nice camera. [01:28:46] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:28:46] Speaker C: Which is very nice. [01:28:47] Speaker D: A similar thing but in a better body. More. [01:28:49] Speaker C: Yeah. Just slightly bigger body. Yeah. [01:28:50] Speaker B: Isn't it. Isn't that what we always want? [01:28:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:28:55] Speaker B: It looks like it was. Looks like it was Bryce Canyon minus 23 degrees. Paul said at Bryce Canyon. [01:28:59] Speaker D: There you go. Good. Good pickup cam. [01:29:01] Speaker C: It's chilly that still. So worth it to see that. [01:29:04] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [01:29:05] Speaker C: Yeah, we wandered around at sunrise. But we was saying we saw it in a YouTube video with snow and we're like, it's not as good with that snow. No, really, it was actually beautiful. But it was amazing. It was at one of our favorite spots. [01:29:16] Speaker B: Yeah, cool. Part of it. [01:29:19] Speaker C: What else we got Anything else? [01:29:21] Speaker A: No, I think, I think it might be time to wrap. [01:29:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. [01:29:25] Speaker B: It's Almost exactly. It's 90 minutes. [01:29:27] Speaker D: People are sick of us now. Well, thanks for having us on guys. We. Yeah, I don't know about you Cam, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. [01:29:34] Speaker B: So I really appreciate you guys, your. [01:29:38] Speaker D: Time as much as you gave us. We gave you 90 minutes of our time. It was brilliant. So thank you. And if you guys in the chat. [01:29:44] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:29:45] Speaker D: Want to see more of this stuff, just let us know. [01:29:47] Speaker B: Hey Brandon, you slash you're not hosting this show. [01:29:50] Speaker D: I just thought I'd sort of throws very professional behalf of Cameron and myself. [01:29:54] Speaker C: If you're not subscribed to the down south photo show, subscribe. But I'm sure you probably already are because they're killing it. If you're subscribed to their show and not our show, then please, please subscribe. [01:30:05] Speaker A: WTF. [01:30:07] Speaker C: We go live on Thursdays mornings at 9am most sometimes 8, mostly 9. And we do these evening shows now our Thursday shows are usually long form interviews with whoever. We can round up photographers from all over the place. But then you can obviously always listen back later on either on YouTube, watch back, or you can listen on Spotify, Apple podcasts, all that kind of stuff. [01:30:30] Speaker B: Yeah, you guys do a great job. It's been an absolute blast coming on tonight. [01:30:33] Speaker C: Thanks. [01:30:33] Speaker A: Good fun. [01:30:34] Speaker C: You guys do a great job. Is there anything, anything you guys want to play? You got any workshops coming up or anything like that? Any of them got spots left? [01:30:42] Speaker D: Funny you should ask. [01:30:45] Speaker B: What have we got? We got the Murray Mellow Workshop coming up in next month. [01:30:48] Speaker D: Yep. Yeah. Which is the 28th of March. [01:30:51] Speaker B: So we don't. We have no run sheet. We're just making it up as we go. [01:30:54] Speaker D: And then we've got May. Yeah. In sort of mid May we have the Great Ocean Road 5 day which is absolutely brilliant. And then in August we have in Cam's neck of the woods, the Tarinder Cradle Mountain five day, six day workshop. So all three of those have a handful of spots left. And I'm not just saying that to, you know, make false economy. It's true. There's only a handful of spots though. So jump on. Come, come on. A workshop with us, it's lots of fun. We, we do a lot of this stuff. We talk photography ad nauseam. [01:31:27] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Craig Murphy, for the the show Confidence. [01:31:33] Speaker C: This show is way more semi professional. Hey, that's what we're shooting. [01:31:36] Speaker D: He's our tech guy. [01:31:39] Speaker B: He's our tech guy that we never listen to because he's too far away. But yeah. [01:31:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I've linked below you guys all your stuff so there's links in the. In the things. Everyone will find you down south photo show. Get on those workshops, you'll have a ball. You'll get some great photos. Then you can come on our podcast and tell us what the workshop was like. [01:32:00] Speaker A: Yeah, full circle. [01:32:02] Speaker C: Yeah, circle, circle. [01:32:04] Speaker B: We should do a workshop up in your neck of the woods somewhere in Bendigo. [01:32:08] Speaker C: Nice. [01:32:09] Speaker B: South Yarra might be a bit tricky, but. Bendigo. [01:32:11] Speaker A: Yeah. It's not your workshop kind of neighborhood. [01:32:15] Speaker B: We all have to rock up the Fujis. [01:32:17] Speaker D: Let's go to the Whip Stick Whipstick State park and do a workshop. Why not? Yeah, it's good to me. [01:32:23] Speaker C: Nice. Signed on just to say they've just caught the end of the show. Well, don't worry, you can just scroll. Just go scroll back and watch it from the start. That's fine. [01:32:37] Speaker B: If you missed a lot, you've dodged that bullet. Well done. [01:32:41] Speaker C: Yes. All right, shall we do it? Should we do it? [01:32:44] Speaker A: On that note, everybody, thank you for watching and listening. Please make sure you like and subscribe. This has been the Camera Life podcast X the random photography show X down south photo show brought to you proudly by the team at Lucky Straps. You're looking for a premium leather camera strap. Head to Luckystraps.com and we've got a great range of products there. All, all handmade in good old Australia. [01:33:10] Speaker C: So in Bendigo. [01:33:12] Speaker B: Question without notice. Justin. [01:33:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:33:15] Speaker B: Do you make. Do you make vegan straps? [01:33:18] Speaker C: We used to, but we've had a lot of trouble just finding a decent non like of. It's plastic, you know, like we've had a lot of trouble finding a vegan leather that's actually, actually good because most of them are just. It's just vinyl, you know, like that's. It doesn't matter what people say, it's just different. There are some organic ones that they're trying to work, but nothing that we've been able to find that works. Yeah, I'm test. I'm testing some new products at the moment that might make it into the range. [01:33:47] Speaker B: People in the last month ask me about that. So probably asked you off air, but that's okay. Yeah, I've had a few people. [01:33:53] Speaker C: No, yeah. Yeah. Well, we're working on. We were going to call it, but. [01:34:00] Speaker A: Yes, we were going to call it. Thank you, everybody. Make sure you like. And subscribe to both channels. [01:34:06] Speaker C: Finally. Comment below if you like our new song. It's great. [01:34:22] Speaker A: Been practicing all afternoon with this, haven't.