EP07 Live Weekly Photo Show

[00:00:01] Speaker A: And we're live. Hi, Grant. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Hi, Justin. Hi, Jim. [00:00:07] Speaker C: Hi, Grant. Hi, Jace. [00:00:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I just seen that. How long have you been spelling your name for man? [00:00:12] Speaker A: I spelt my name wrong. And we've got three live viewers. Well, I'll work on that and you guys can introduce the show. What's been going on? [00:00:22] Speaker C: Where you been, Grant? [00:00:23] Speaker B: I've been in Japan for a month. Back at work now. [00:00:27] Speaker C: Yep. Bit of a change in weather and culture. [00:00:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Probably 40 degrees warmer in Australia than what it was in Japan. I think we had minus ten Monday. [00:00:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, your audio just changed. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Yeah. What happened? Something went wrong with your audio. Where's your microphone? [00:00:50] Speaker B: Mine? [00:00:51] Speaker A: I'm right here. [00:00:52] Speaker B: Sarah. [00:00:53] Speaker C: Did I see that? Too far. [00:00:55] Speaker A: It's so loud. [00:00:57] Speaker C: Is your. Is it connected to your mic? Three settings. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Don't do this to me. [00:01:03] Speaker A: Now. You double check that. [00:01:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:07] Speaker A: While I talk to Jim. Jim, what's going on? [00:01:10] Speaker C: Just been editing lots. Like lots and lots. [00:01:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Weddings. [00:01:15] Speaker C: Yes, lots of weddings. [00:01:16] Speaker A: Lots of weddings. [00:01:17] Speaker C: It's in peak season. Trying to tidy up the end of last year or tidied up the end of last year, actually, now. So mid 2023, editing, which is exciting. [00:01:27] Speaker A: That's good. Getting through it. [00:01:28] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah, definitely feeling a bit more relaxed. [00:01:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Did. So you. We showed a wedding together on Saturday. You had one on Friday as well. [00:01:40] Speaker C: Yes. Yes, I did. At the same place. [00:01:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Back to back weddings. What is that? What does that mean? The next week looks like, you know, after you shoot two weddings in a row, how did. What usually happen? So you shoot a Friday, you finish it, like twelve or whatever. Midnight. And then you. Saturday, all day finish at midnight. [00:01:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:58] Speaker A: Then. Then what happens? What happens on Sunday morning? [00:02:01] Speaker C: Sunday morning, I try and sleep in a little bit, but then, no, nothing on Sunday. And then I start working. [00:02:08] Speaker A: So. So, day on Sunday, day off Sunday. Okay, but then you work on Monday. You don't take Monday off as well? [00:02:13] Speaker C: No, just Sunday. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:15] Speaker C: So, yeah. And then just jump straight into sneak peeks. Culling sneak peeks from the weekend. And when you got two weddings, that means two culls, two sneak peeks. [00:02:23] Speaker A: What. What does a sneak peek look like for the average wedding these days? I know we kind of just worked on one, but I don't know if. If the one we did together is what you normally do. [00:02:31] Speaker C: No, they're normally somewhere between 30 and 50 photos. They're sort of a smaller sneak peek than what we were doing. They were getting pretty big. They were like almost a 10th of the wedding. We were sort of doing for a sneak. Now they're sort of a bit smaller. I just kind of put from ceremony onwards in there. So it's just sort of a smaller highlight of the day. [00:02:53] Speaker A: We. We started doing sneak peeks seven or eight years ago. [00:02:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:00] Speaker A: So that we had something to post on social media quickly. We were putting them on Facebook, and then those Facebook. Those Facebook sneak peek galleries that we did, I would say, accounted for a massive amount of our growth in the early days because we would post. I think the first one was twelve photos. [00:03:21] Speaker C: Yes. I was just trying to say, do you know how small it was? [00:03:23] Speaker A: It was 1212 photos that sort of fairly quickly went to, like 30, 30 or 40, which was a pretty good, manageable number. And then it slowly crept up from there. We kept putting more and more in. But those. Those sneak peeks, we were getting them up fairly religiously, either on a Tuesday or a Wednesday after the weddings, and people would just go crazy commenting on them because it was sort of the prime of Facebook. Instagram was a thing, but not really a thing, particularly for, like, family and friends. It was more like young people's thing. [00:03:58] Speaker C: It's like a cool thing to post, not full photos. It was like. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Sometimes you wouldn't put. [00:04:09] Speaker C: A full photo on, like we do now. [00:04:11] Speaker A: No, people would put, like a phone photo of their coffee art with a massive filter over it or something. So we would put them on Facebook and. Yeah, just the amount of comments and likes that. All the photos. All the photos would get comments on them. Um, and then the album would get comments on them. All the family and parents and everyone was commenting on them. And it just. It really drove engagement. That's kind of, um, dropped away now. What are you guys laughing at? Nothing. [00:04:39] Speaker B: Jim just realized. [00:04:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Oh, you changed it. Oh, lucky I have the power. See you, Grant. Anyway, back to what Jim and I were talking about without granthood. I'll bring him back. Very funny. Grant changed my name. Oh, it changed his name. The engagement was awesome. And then it sort of slowly dropped away. So now you're only doing them on Instagram, correct? [00:05:10] Speaker C: Yeah, Instagram. Pushing them to Facebook. For a while I was doing them on our website and sort of, sort of the peak sneak peeks that were, you know, 80 to 100 photos. It was like a full sneak of each part. Part of the day. [00:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:26] Speaker C: So it actually ended up taking a long time. Yeah, it was a heap. It was like. I reckon it was a 10th of whatever I was delivering. So if I was delivering a thousand photos, it would have been about 100 for the snake. [00:05:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:40] Speaker C: And then, you know, tagging every vendor in it and it just got too much. [00:05:47] Speaker A: So the. Now, how many photos from a wedding would you post to Instagram? [00:05:54] Speaker C: Probably post to Instagram, somewhere between one and ten. So sometimes I might put up just a single photo, and that's probably sometimes just my capacity as well. [00:06:05] Speaker A: So the one that we. So we did one two days ago from the wedding that we shot on Saturday, and obviously that was two photographers, so maybe it was a little bit bigger than normal, but that was way more. Ten photos. What do you do with those? So that. So the couple get them if they want to post them early. Yeah. [00:06:23] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. And just for them to have a look through as well, sort of know that you've done a good job, know that you've covered kind of the day. And then also, it just takes a bit of the pressure off editing. The editing, having to get it. Yeah. Because then they were like, oh, we want to see this, we want to see that. But they kind of get a bit of us. Yes. Essentially a sneak peek at the back, make sure that you, you know, you did your job. Essentially. [00:06:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:47] Speaker C: They found here from you for a few weeks. It's. They're not sort of worried. [00:06:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. It's, um. Maybe we'll, I don't know, maybe I'll get you to bring that up later. We'll look through our sneak peek. Should we do that? [00:07:00] Speaker C: We can do that. We can definitely do that. [00:07:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, maybe we should. You know how we're going to have our photo competition? [00:07:06] Speaker C: Mm hmm. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Maybe. Maybe we should. Just as a pre part time photographer, Grant, that's perfect. Working to be full time. [00:07:15] Speaker B: Yes, surely. [00:07:17] Speaker A: Maybe we'll just. As a pre competition, maybe we should just get Grant to vote on his favorite as we flick through them. [00:07:27] Speaker C: Yeah, we could, because you didn't even know what I cut out after. So when we just. We put together a bit of a sneak, we both were just working remotely. Justin sent me his lightroom catalog. I brought all those in, and then we started culling it down, but then Justin had to go. So I then culled it a bit further on my own. Got a bit ruthless with John and Justin's images. [00:07:49] Speaker A: I was going to say, this is a concern because if you've just deleted all of mine, you're obviously going to win the challenge. [00:07:56] Speaker C: No, I'm. Oh, and some good news. Justin from Emir and Tina, they did say thank you for your hard work in wrangling 140 guests for the sparkle photo. And they said that it was successful. Was their words. [00:08:09] Speaker A: Oh, that's good to hear. Because it was. Oh, we'll. We'll. We'll have a look. Well, I'll tell that story when we have a look at the photos later on because. Yeah, that. That sparkler, that was hectic. Yeah, it was the most. Definitely the most hectic one I've done. You might have done some without me recently that are kind of that, but. Yeah, it was a big group and I. No, very drunk. Anyway. Hey, Grant, how's your audio going? Are you back? [00:08:36] Speaker B: Is it any better? [00:08:37] Speaker A: I think so. How's it sound for you, Jim? [00:08:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I think you're all right. [00:08:42] Speaker A: If anyone's listening, throw a comment in the live chat and tell us if Grant's audio sounds alright on the other side of the Internet. On our side, it sounds okay. But it was a bit weird before. Yeah, you're back. You're back from Japan. You've got blue lights. Yeah, blue lights are cool. [00:08:57] Speaker B: Yeah, upgraded bucks. Digidirect. [00:09:01] Speaker A: Oh, did you direct? I don't. I don't like to buy from Digidirect. Don't tell me. Next. [00:09:05] Speaker B: Next day shipping. [00:09:07] Speaker C: Yes, they've got it in stock. [00:09:08] Speaker A: Sometimes. Sometimes they say it's in stock. I make sure they're in stock, and then two weeks later you ask where it is and they're like, oh, no, that's not in stock. And you're like, but I ordered it and it said in stock. [00:09:18] Speaker C: Yeah. And it pays for express shipping. [00:09:20] Speaker A: Yeah, that's happened. [00:09:23] Speaker B: Like a lens cover too, from them. Like the back one. [00:09:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:27] Speaker B: Because I'm pretty sure the Tamron lens that I brought from you, Justin, didn't have it on that. [00:09:33] Speaker A: Grant, I was gonna say, I've got so many of them just floating around, I was like, floating three. [00:09:39] Speaker C: That's probably why it wasn't on their grand, because they're just floating around. [00:09:41] Speaker A: No, no, I reckon I bought six of them, like, before I sold my gear just to replace everything. I'm surprised. Unless I accidentally gave it to you mounted on the camera or something. [00:09:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you did, because I used it. [00:09:53] Speaker A: And then I'll be here somewhere. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Brought it straight from you. [00:09:56] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. [00:09:57] Speaker A: You should have told me. [00:09:59] Speaker B: Well, it's like I'm just getting prepared for one. I want to sell. [00:10:03] Speaker C: Sell? Selling cameras. [00:10:05] Speaker B: Sell what? Are you buying camera house? No, I don't know yet. I'm still a bit awhile, so if. [00:10:17] Speaker C: Anyone listening that doesn't know our local camera house is for sale. [00:10:21] Speaker A: Yes. [00:10:21] Speaker C: It's just been price reduced. So grab yourself a bargain. [00:10:24] Speaker A: It's a bargain. Join us in Bendigo, run the camera house and we'll, we'll help. We'll help grow your business. We'll support you. Grant will work there. Jim will be the resident. Jim will be the resident pro. Come in and do workshops and stuff. [00:10:39] Speaker C: Yeah, let's do it. [00:10:40] Speaker B: The local Nikon ambassador. [00:10:42] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. So speaking of Grant's new camera, that, that brings me to a news article that I saw. Let's bring it on. News. [00:10:55] Speaker C: What is it? [00:10:57] Speaker A: Canon rumors? [00:10:59] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:11:00] Speaker A: Boom. So Canon to release major firmware update for the EOS five reals, they've done quite a few firmware updates, which has been fun. We've gotten lots of new cool stuff. It's a big change for Canon and even the other camera brands. Until Fuji did it, no one really used to do the firmware update thing. Your camera didn't get new features and now they do, which is awesome. But this, as interpreted by canon rumors who I think are pretty, pretty sweet, they're always usually onto it or pretty close. They're saying that because they're planning this major firmware update that we might not see an five Reals mark two reals because we just got the r six mark two reals recently, but we probably won't get the five Reals mark two until 2024. They're stretching the five reals itself out with this firmware update, which is kind of cool. Means that my five reals is going to be worth more for longer. Means when Grant buys an r five it's going to stay current for longer. It's great because they could just keep pumping out a mark two rapidly. I think they, obviously they must have done it with the r six because it really needed that new sensor. Yeah, but the. Did it get any sense of. Yeah, the RC. [00:12:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it's got the same as I three. [00:12:21] Speaker A: No, no, it's got 24 megapixel but it's not backside illuminated, I don't think. Yeah, that's why the, it doesn't have the shutter. Electronic shutter isn't quite as stable in terms of rolling shutter and stuff. I think that's what the three reals has advantages, I'm pretty sure. But it's the same megapixel as the r three. I don't know. I could be wrong. Can't remember. But yeah. What it means is the r five will stretch out for a little bit longer and remain a current model, which is awesome. So it might get the stuff. The r six mark two got like, lens breathing correction, which I'm not a big. It doesn't worry me too much. But for video, it is nice. That's basically. So it corrects digitally corrects the image, you know, in focus breathing. When you go from far focused to near focus, the image might get smaller or larger. Yeah, it corrects for that digitally. So it doesn't look like your frame is changing as someone. [00:13:19] Speaker C: So, like, slightly cropped all the time. [00:13:22] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. So it would probably give it a slight crop and then it would adjust digitally as someone moves closer and further from the camera. [00:13:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:29] Speaker A: And also, I believe if you were zooming, it would potentially do the same thing. Not sure how it works. [00:13:35] Speaker C: Was a good one for you. [00:13:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:39] Speaker C: The vehicle tracking. Sorry? [00:13:40] Speaker A: Oh, yes. So, yeah, vehicle tracking. Bikes, trains and planes remove. [00:13:45] Speaker B: How do you miss the plane, though? [00:13:47] Speaker A: That's a good point. [00:13:48] Speaker B: They're pretty big. [00:13:50] Speaker A: Look, maybe it may be in an air show. Jet would be handy. It's kind of like birds in flight kind of deal. [00:13:56] Speaker C: Well, especially if it's just full auto track. [00:14:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:14:01] Speaker C: That's not. Yeah. [00:14:03] Speaker A: And the pre shooting buffer I haven't really worried about. I think I would have to change my shooting style. But that's basically like, it will shoot some frames or something prior to actually pressing the button. Could be very handy for a wedding, you know, when you just miss the moment kind of thing. But often. But also often by the time you press. If you missed it, it's probably because you didn't have the camera in the right spot. [00:14:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:27] Speaker A: You know, like, you don't have to. The shot. It wasn't because you didn't press the button fast enough. Maybe. Anyway, I don't know. [00:14:34] Speaker C: So that. B because obviously it's digitally recording. So is that with the AVF that it would be slightly just capturing? [00:14:43] Speaker A: I believe so. I didn't look into it a great deal with the mark to the r six mark two. But it's a. It's something like that. So for electronic shutter, it's capturing some frames all the time. And then when you press the shutter, it records those frames out of the buffer and onto the memory card. [00:15:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:01] Speaker A: I mean, it's a common thing with video and some stuff, but I haven't seen it as much for stills. Yeah. So anyway, that could be cool. The big news is probably the five reals isn't. The five reals mark two isn't about to come out. Based on this. It's still a while away. They think maybe it will get released near the r1 next year, which I'll almost definitely be buying. [00:15:29] Speaker C: The r one. [00:15:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, for sure. [00:15:31] Speaker C: Of course. [00:15:33] Speaker B: Yeah. He's got to have everything. [00:15:35] Speaker A: Yeah. So onto our week, our weekly grant Fleming camera gear update. What brand this week would you be leaning towards if you had to pick a brand? Like, right now. [00:15:46] Speaker B: Right now? [00:15:47] Speaker A: Right now. You gotta, like, today, you go full time tomorrow, and you go full time working for me tomorrow as a photographer slash videographer. Mostly photos. And you've got $30,000 to spend on gear. Which brand you pick. Three, two, one, go. [00:16:06] Speaker B: Cannon. [00:16:07] Speaker C: Oh, I don't know what it is. [00:16:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I was looking into it then. I don't know. I just can't get my head around canon. And especially after using the three reals the other week, like Justin's r three. [00:16:20] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, we haven't. You haven't been on a podcast yet since then. [00:16:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that blow blowed my mind. [00:16:26] Speaker A: Yes, I did a bad thing. Grant was taking some photos at our gym during the crossfit open. If you don't do Crossfit, you should do Crossfit at the CrossFit open. And he was shooting with his d 850. And I sneakily said, here, have a play with my three reals with the 28 to 70 f two on it. [00:16:44] Speaker C: He learned this trick in car sales school. Grant. And he's a bad man. He's a bad man. We all take it home, park it in the garage. [00:16:53] Speaker A: I don't even sell cameras. I don't even sell them. It's not. I'm not trying to trick him. Anyway. How did it go? What'd you think? [00:17:00] Speaker B: It was amazing. I never thought I'd like shooting, like, holding the camera out in front of me, but I feel like you can see so much more as well. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I have done way more of that lately than I ever thought I would as well. Like, it's still. I still have to remind myself to use the viewfinder when I really want to dial in on. Yeah, composition and stuff like that. It actually takes all the focus into that one point. But on the other hand, when there's action happening, you were in a busy room, there's a lot going on, things all around you. So your awareness, sort of other situations. [00:17:34] Speaker B: You can. Yeah, you can look around like, I was shooting over here and, you know, like, you could just know it was going to lock on. Eye focus, face focus. [00:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:43] Speaker B: And then you could be looking around and someone else would be, like, setting up to do. I think it was Max Thruster and the thing I saw so I could be like, get ready to quickly turn, I think. Yeah. That's, like, a major advantage, even for, like, weddings and stuff, too. [00:17:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I used it a fair bit on the wedding on the weekend, just like, especially during, I don't know, while the party, the dance floor was going on, stuff like that or. Yeah, just because you can see what's happening, you're holding the camera out in front of you and you can still look around and see everything. Yeah, it is. It is handy. You do look a little bit like you're just shooting with an iPhone. You look a little bit less professional, maybe, but also, that's how every videographer shoots, so. [00:18:23] Speaker B: Yeah, well, there was a. Yeah, there was a lady at work. [00:18:26] Speaker C: She had a. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Just an hour, I think, and she was shooting for some stuff that we had at work, and she was obviously, you know, holding it like that. You kind of look like a beginner, I guess, because. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. [00:18:38] Speaker B: Because you're looking on the back screen, but. Yeah, yeah, it was. [00:18:43] Speaker C: It can also engage with people more, though, because you can talk over the camera but still be sort of shooting. [00:18:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:50] Speaker C: So for sort of directing, say, even like, family photos and stuff like that, like, it might be easier to sort of, if you're framed up, you can quickly look down but then still talk to them, because when your cameras in your face, it's quite hard to project your voice. [00:19:00] Speaker A: That's right. That's right. So what. What else. What else was nice about it? Also, I think you. I don't know if your mics doing weird stuff or not. Can you hear any of that every now and then, Jim, the little noises coming in and stuff. [00:19:12] Speaker C: You haven't been clicking? [00:19:14] Speaker A: No, just like some buzzing and something. I know. I think it might be grant, so I'm just gonna blame it on him. [00:19:20] Speaker C: I got a fan on. Does that matter? [00:19:22] Speaker B: It could be the fan. [00:19:23] Speaker A: I've heard of it. [00:19:25] Speaker C: I turn the fan off. [00:19:27] Speaker A: No, I don't know why. I think it's Grant. Bring that. Where's. Where's your microphone? I can't see it. There it is. Print. Can you hear that audience? Anyway, I don't know. It's doing weird stuff anyway. [00:19:46] Speaker C: Is it your settings, Grant? Onto the mic? Because mine was plugged in before, but it wasn't. The settings weren't picking it up. [00:19:53] Speaker B: No. Like, I haven't changed it at all. [00:19:56] Speaker C: No, no. In the cat. The streamyard settings. Don't know. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Well, he's checking. [00:20:08] Speaker C: Have you seen the Nikon rumor, Justin? [00:20:11] Speaker A: No. [00:20:13] Speaker C: Z eight. [00:20:14] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I have. That was weeks ago. Catch up. No, I'm kidding. The z eight, what are that? What were they saying? [00:20:21] Speaker C: High megapixel, somewhere between the z seven and a z nine. Yeah. [00:20:27] Speaker A: Okay, so maybe not a. Maybe not a pro body. [00:20:31] Speaker C: No. Well, like, from the rumor photos. No, but like, they're just. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Well, that. [00:20:35] Speaker C: Yeah, a photo that's doctored. [00:20:37] Speaker A: Yep. So tell me about the rumor. Tell me what they're saying. [00:20:45] Speaker C: They're just saying. The z eight was described to me as a hybrid camera between the z seven and z nine. Similar form factor to zenongous seven, z six. So, yeah, be smaller, not a pro body. Improved EVF, improved autofocus, which they say on every camera ever. Same sense. Oh, okay, sorry. Same sensors at nine. [00:21:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So same sensor in a, in a non pro, non gripped probe sort of form. Body maybe. And then obviously they'll probably cut down on the features and speed a little bit like they usually do. [00:21:17] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Will not have some of those that done. Features, brackets, obviously expected before the summer. But this is, this, this is in european, so, um. Yeah, coming. Yeah, exactly. So it could be out soon. [00:21:33] Speaker A: Interesting, interesting. [00:21:35] Speaker C: But that could be. Maybe that's a good, good camera. [00:21:38] Speaker A: Could be. [00:21:38] Speaker C: Maybe that's the new wedding camera. [00:21:41] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:21:42] Speaker C: Maybe. [00:21:42] Speaker A: Maybe by that. [00:21:44] Speaker C: Some adapters. [00:21:46] Speaker A: Mmm. Well, yeah. If you wanted to just shoot mirrorless but not changing lenses yet. Yeah. You definitely could keep 1850 and that. [00:21:55] Speaker C: It could be a good way to transition because then, you know, all your lenses, that's learning a new camera. You know, trying to learn new lenses and a new camera at the same time. [00:22:03] Speaker B: And a massive outlay. [00:22:04] Speaker C: Yeah. And you're spreading that out layout as well. [00:22:07] Speaker A: So. [00:22:07] Speaker C: And you would get some native lenses, but maybe you don't have to get all. [00:22:12] Speaker A: It was tricky shooting two systems, but. Yeah. Like shooting mirrorless and DSLR at the same time was tricky. [00:22:19] Speaker C: I think you were trying to shoot, you'd have to just buy two. I think. I think you might do. [00:22:23] Speaker A: It would be to buy two, potentially either to buy two or to go an eight and a z six mark two or something like that. And start to kind of, which that also gets. Yuck. [00:22:35] Speaker C: No, two. Two. This body's got to be the same. [00:22:37] Speaker A: I've done this for the way. For the way you shoot. Yeah. Because you do so much to. To camera. Same. Yeah. With two prime lenses. Yeah. [00:22:50] Speaker C: Interesting. What else? I saw a funny. Not funny to bet. A bad story. A sad story. Justin, you would know of the sales techniques where they get you in for a free photo shoot. [00:23:07] Speaker A: I haven't seen this. So tell me about it. But, yes, I do know. [00:23:12] Speaker C: Yeah, it was a current affair. Sorry. Popped up in a photography group. But essentially, you know, that old school coming for a free sort of that, you know, verve, it wasn't like, like. [00:23:23] Speaker A: There to verbs defense. I don't think they do free. They know. Well, unless they do giveaways or something like that. But verve do usually charge for the shoot and you get something. But the hard thing with verb is they kind of then put. Yeah. Put the pressure on you to buy more. But, but, yeah. So this was a fully free shoot. [00:23:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Or I think, you know, they put an ad in. Yeah. Win a free shoot, and then. Yeah, everyone won. And then, you know, they might have got a free image, and then they were trying to sign people. They're signing people up for, like, $5,000 worth of. For, like, from one family shoot. Yeah. Which is pretty crazy. And. Yeah. Like, deleting people's photos, like, in front of them, like, oh, if you don't want this, we're just gonna delete it. If you don't want it, we're just, like, really bad. So pulling on their heartstrings and that. [00:24:16] Speaker A: That pressure did used to get put on. Even with the more reputable studios, that pressure did get put on that you can't come back and buy these later. We don't store them kind of thing. [00:24:25] Speaker C: Yeah, we can't. We can't possibly do that, which is ridiculous, because they could. Yeah, we store wedding photos for years. [00:24:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. They're still sitting there. And weddings are a lot bigger than a family shoot. But it was obviously the tactic because people are there. They've just spent a heap of time and energy kind of doing the shoot, and they've seen the results. And if they go home to think about it, they'll probably make a more practical choice. Whereas if they're there on the spot, they might make a more impulsive choice. Yeah. It's a shame that that's how they operate. Those businesses. On the other hand, say, if that's the price that you say, you do need to make two grand from a family shoot to make your studio profitable, which is impossible because you got rent and all that sort of stuff, places. So it's just a shame that they can't just say that's the price and. And that a family that can afford it. Obviously, not just all families, but if there's a family that can afford it, they often wouldn't value a family shoot high enough off the bat that they only pay that when they sort of get tricked into it. It is a shame. We've often talked about it with how valuable, like, weddings are a shitload of work for a photographer, but in terms of value to the people, it's strange that it's no big deal to spend three, four, or five grand on a wedding, but once people are married and they have kids, they probably wouldn't dream about spending three, four, or five grand on, say, a photographer coming on their family holiday for a day and just documenting, like, you know, like a large family holiday with the grandparents and all that stuff and capturing all of that kind of cool thing. But they would definitely do it for the wedding because it's kind of got more of a. I don't know. It's like that. It's a tradition that you always do. [00:26:10] Speaker B: Social norm. [00:26:11] Speaker A: Social norm. That's what I was trying to think of. Yeah. [00:26:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:14] Speaker A: Anyway, strange. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Maybe we should make it a social norm. [00:26:20] Speaker A: It could be done. It could be done. But then, yeah, it's. It's just a little bit. It's a lot of work. And also you need families if you're gonna, you know, spend that kind of money, because it costs a lot of money to have a photographer for a full day or something. You know, that they need to have the money. Toots and co. I know someone. [00:26:42] Speaker C: Toots plus co. Actually, Grant, we got to the bottom of this yesterday. It's actually toots and go. Toots. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Tootsie's. [00:26:51] Speaker C: Toots, not toots. It's toots. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Toots and co. I know someone where they were gifted the session and then got guilted into the purchase. Exactly. It was very common. And they don't want to miss out on those photos of their kids, you know, but they probably also. Yeah. [00:27:10] Speaker C: Leaves a bad taste in their mouth from the photo. [00:27:12] Speaker A: Exactly. And then they've got us. [00:27:14] Speaker C: But then they're not gonna go back. Yeah. [00:27:17] Speaker A: One to go there. You're not building these. [00:27:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:20] Speaker A: Yeah. You're churning people through, and they walk away feeling a bit disappointed. Completely worked with the photos. Can't be kept trick. And they loved what was taken. So spent two grand that they didn't plan to, and that's how the business gets their two grand, you know? It's a shame. [00:27:36] Speaker C: Yeah. But potentially not repeatable. Yeah. Well, you know, you need to be. [00:27:43] Speaker A: In a major city. You couldn't do it in a small town because you would burn out the whole town in, like, six months, and everyone would hate you. But in a major city, you can keep running different advertising campaigns where you win a session or whatever. And then, yeah, they just keep burning through clients. So, yeah, it is a real shame. That's not what you do if you want a long term sustainable business. Sorry if that's the kind of business you run. Speaking of business, back to wedding photography. Jim, what do you think about this? Wedding photographer divides the Internet with safety shot technique. [00:28:21] Speaker C: What is a safety shot? [00:28:23] Speaker A: I'll tell you, blah blah blah went viral when he shared his safety shot tick. In the clip, Lowndes currently watching an ad for something. In the clip, Lowndes takes a group photograph of the bride and groom with their immediate family and their respective partners. After getting the group shot, Lowndes head saying, right, safety shot, step off for us, mate. The photographer gestures towards the partner of the sister, of the bride and ask him to step out of the frame. The group all had a laugh and then the partner leaves a photo shoot. They get a shot basically with and without partners, obviously. Very controversial. Some people have said that that's a very rude thing to do to the poor partner that had to leave and get kicked out of a shot and stuff like that. Tell me, do you think Jim taking a shot with and without partners is an appropriate thing to do for a wedding? [00:29:16] Speaker C: I do this at every wedding. [00:29:18] Speaker A: You do? [00:29:19] Speaker C: I do, but I don't call it a safety shot. [00:29:21] Speaker A: That's what I was gonna say. [00:29:24] Speaker C: I do family. So sibling, like, parents, siblings, and then throw slash partners and kids throw them in. [00:29:30] Speaker A: Now, I think the difference is that everyone said it's a bit, you know, he said it should be normal practice and blah, blah, blah, which you think it is, because I agree it's normal practice. [00:29:40] Speaker C: The hard thing is if, say you've got four siblings, you're not gonna throw each of one of them out at different times. So, no, I just do one with partners. One with. [00:29:49] Speaker A: It's exactly how you should do it. Because, yeah, you can't have do one without each partner one at a time because that's very clear that you're like, well, we're just getting this for when you guys break up. But if you. As long as you get a shot with all of the siblings and, yeah, and no partners, at least they've got that. If one partner, you know, ends up sort of moving on and that does happen, but, yeah. Several users remarked they would cry if a wedding photographer asked them to leave the shot and that there's better ways of handling the situation. [00:30:21] Speaker C: That sounds like maybe he doesn't handle. [00:30:23] Speaker B: It the right way. [00:30:24] Speaker C: Yeah, just say family do that. [00:30:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:30:27] Speaker C: Just immediate family. And then throw in super, like partners. [00:30:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And look, it's. It's. I think he probably says it funnily, and it's probably fine, because if he's got a funny kind of character to him, no one probably takes offense to it. But I think the way you handle it is way better. He also defended himself by saying he likes to bring everyone in and then slowly move them out of. Because that's the only way you can do it. I mean, we. We do it the other way. Literally do it the other direction. Yeah, way all day. [00:30:58] Speaker C: So build up, build down. It doesn't matter. [00:31:00] Speaker A: As much as he's probably a very experienced wedding photographer, if he can't build a photo, as opposed to taking it out, then he should probably do some more practicing. Also, anyone that makes TikToks the way that he does is a little bit weird. [00:31:13] Speaker B: Is he just saying this, though, so people get annoyed? [00:31:17] Speaker A: Well, I actually. I don't know if he brought. Maybe he didn't think it was gonna be as controversial as he did. He was probably just sharing a technique, and now it's blown up, and now he's obviously milking it by showing how you pull people out of the photo one by one. But it's like, I. You can easily build. We can just as easily, if not easy. That's the way I find it. [00:31:38] Speaker C: Significantly easier to build up. Build up. [00:31:41] Speaker A: I. Maybe he's built shots before and didn't realize that he was going to run into problems with space and stuff like that, but, yeah, if you know what you're doing, you just build the shot up. You start with just the parents, then you bring in the siblings, then you bring in the partners, then you bring in all the cousins and all the aunties and all the stuff, you know, like, it's very straightforward to do that. And if you do it that way, the partners don't even realize what you've done because you go, parents. Okay. Bring in all your siblings. Okay, siblings. Where are your partners? Bring them in. And they don't even know. [00:32:09] Speaker C: No, that's super easy. [00:32:10] Speaker A: So, so. [00:32:12] Speaker C: And then sometimes even do, like. And in the past, I have done, like, married and unmarried partners. So if they're married, you might do. Yeah, all the married partners in. And if they're unmarried, then that's. [00:32:23] Speaker A: Yeah, but also, I, um. It's. It's one of those things. It's like, he probably says it in a funny way, and it's no problem. Just like when we're arranging a group photo and I yell out. If everyone can line up in order of importance from front to back, that would be great. And it's like, it's a meaningless comment, but maybe someone would be like, oh, does that mean we're not important? Or maybe people take offense to it. So. [00:32:51] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think I've heard you say that. [00:32:54] Speaker A: I say it while you're on the ladder. [00:32:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:32:57] Speaker A: Because Jim usually takes a group photo if we're shooting a wedding together, and I usually just stand off to the side and every now and then yell something out. [00:33:03] Speaker C: It's fun. And then wait for my one joke. [00:33:09] Speaker A: Yes, Jim's one famous joke. We'll share it with you on an episode one day. But it's probably the biggest wedding photography secret we've got, so we can't give it. Early on in our career as podcasters. [00:33:20] Speaker C: Saving for a special ip we can't share. [00:33:23] Speaker A: Maybe on our hundredth episode. [00:33:25] Speaker B: All right, 100th episode, maybe on a free wedding. [00:33:30] Speaker A: Mmm. Hey, Grant, how did your Japan photos turn out? How was that? Was it fun? [00:33:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it was fun. A lot of early mornings. [00:33:47] Speaker C: For to do photography or. Yeah. [00:33:49] Speaker B: And just get to places before they got too crowded. Yeah, some places we probably didn't have to get there that early, but it was just nice to be there without so many people walking around. I probably had the right amount of gear. [00:34:05] Speaker C: I wouldn't mind. [00:34:06] Speaker B: I would have liked some filters, maybe. [00:34:09] Speaker C: What did you end up taking? [00:34:12] Speaker B: So I took the 16 or 35, which I used once, so I didn't need to take that. [00:34:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:18] Speaker A: Interesting. Once, even in Tokyo. [00:34:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:23] Speaker B: I've obviously got a different shooting style because I, 24 to 70, served me perfect. [00:34:31] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:34:33] Speaker B: And took my tripod as well for, like, early mornings. [00:34:39] Speaker C: Did you use that? [00:34:41] Speaker B: I use it a couple of times, yeah. I got told off a few times for using it. [00:34:45] Speaker C: Really. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Just. [00:34:47] Speaker A: There's a few places like that. Um, yeah, yeah. Have tried. No tripod rules because it gets crowded. [00:34:54] Speaker C: Oh, yes. People could trip over. [00:34:56] Speaker B: Yeah. But when it was early morning, it was fine. It was sort of starting to get a little bit busy, and I was just like, a local came past and just said, no tripods. And I was like, that's fine. It's light enough. Anyway. [00:35:09] Speaker A: We just get. Let's have a look at some of your photos and let's. Let's talk through them critique. If you can. Tell us about them, tell us what was going on. What's this? This is a tram of some sort. I believe that's some sort of vehicle in Japan that they used to maneuver through. Through traffic. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Yes. This is right after we got a photo with a japanese guy on top of a bridge. So we were like, basically on a overpass. Like, what you can see above that, just on the other side. And that was in Nagasaki. And they don't get too many westerners there. So the. The guy walking across the bridge, he. [00:35:43] Speaker A: Wanted a photo with you. [00:35:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:45] Speaker B: Me and I come up to us, like, where you from? And then. Yeah, I. They're talking for a bit, and he's like, do you mind taking a photo? And then he couldn't work out his buttons, so then he handed me the phone, and we took a selfie with him. And then he's. Then he's like, oh, where are you staying? And we're like, oh, this is getting a bit weird. So we didn't tell him where we were staying, because if we watch too many movies like that. [00:36:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:09] Speaker B: But apparently it's really common. [00:36:12] Speaker A: Really? [00:36:12] Speaker B: They've just been nice. [00:36:13] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:36:16] Speaker A: Interesting. Okay. [00:36:18] Speaker B: But that was our 1st. 1st day, our first proper day there. So we'll be like, yeah, we're not gonna tell you where we're staying. [00:36:25] Speaker A: No. How long. How long were you there? [00:36:28] Speaker B: All up to Japan was 22 days. 20. Yeah, 22 days. [00:36:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:34] Speaker C: It's a good amount of time. [00:36:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it was just the right amount of time. I think. I think that was the 16 to 35 there. [00:36:42] Speaker A: A little bit of vignetting on that one. Interesting. [00:36:48] Speaker B: And then that. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Old. Lots of old temples a lot. Man on motorbike. [00:36:58] Speaker B: Yeah, those are taken from inside a coffee shop, as you can probably tell. It's like shot out of a window. [00:37:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:37:05] Speaker C: Look like a bag or something. [00:37:08] Speaker A: Man on very small motorbike. [00:37:10] Speaker B: Yeah, there was a lot of them around. Pretty cool. [00:37:13] Speaker C: That's sick. We've got hello to all our viewers, too. New one. [00:37:21] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Got a few viewers. Jump in the chat. We're just having a quick look through grant's Japan images, and then maybe we'll have a look through the sneak peek, the wedding that Jim and I shot on the weekend, but currently looking at a beautiful night shot of a bus. [00:37:41] Speaker B: There's a few there. [00:37:42] Speaker A: Kyoto. [00:37:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:46] Speaker B: That was when we were doing our laundry. I went for a bit of a walk. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Left eyelash to do the laundry. [00:37:52] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:37:53] Speaker A: Nice. So pretty much everything shot with the 24 to 70. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From now you have. Oh, look. Hey, it's a real. We made. [00:38:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:06] Speaker B: I was like, this is weird. [00:38:09] Speaker A: If you could have any lens over there, like anything, just what, what would suit best. You know, 24 to 105. [00:38:19] Speaker B: Older would have liked that. [00:38:21] Speaker A: Even if it was a bit of a reach. F four though. Even if it was an f one. [00:38:26] Speaker B: I probably would have shot with a tripod for a little bit longer but yeah. [00:38:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So if you had a camera system that maybe used that new. What if it had the Tamron? 35 to 150, maybe not wide enough. 35. [00:38:41] Speaker C: 35. [00:38:42] Speaker B: I reckon I shot it probably 35 onwards. [00:38:45] Speaker A: Okay. [00:38:46] Speaker B: I don't think I shot at 24 very often. Maybe there I would have just to be able to get that in. [00:38:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Was this sort of your first few days at. Was this the first day at the snow or. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Um, that would have been our last day on the snow I think. [00:39:02] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:39:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:02] Speaker B: That's where I would have liked that. Extra little bit of reach. [00:39:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you snowboard down that face or were you just watching? [00:39:09] Speaker B: Nah, people were hiking for like 2 hours to get to that. [00:39:13] Speaker A: Worth it, worth it. [00:39:15] Speaker C: Did that come back into the resort? [00:39:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:18] Speaker C: Yep, yep. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Snow monkeys. That's good. Is some classic Japan. Is this where you would have liked some more reach as well? [00:39:28] Speaker B: You can get pretty close to them. [00:39:30] Speaker A: So look at that. [00:39:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And what you don't see is the hundreds of people probably 1 meter to the left of them. [00:39:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Frame people out. [00:39:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:46] Speaker A: So good. Snow monkeys launching into the water. [00:39:49] Speaker B: He was um, pissing everyone off, that guy. [00:39:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:53] Speaker B: Just running around, pulling on their ears and stuff. Was pretty, pretty cool to watch on humans. Now other monkeys, they don't like touch humans. Like they're pretty like because they don't get fed. There's a real big thing about not feeding them. Yeah. They sort of just like walk past you like you're not there, which is cool. [00:40:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So if you would you recommend everyone go and check this out? Was it touristy or was it cool? [00:40:19] Speaker B: It was touristy. There was a lot of people but it's just like a once in a lifetime thing you can do. Yeah, we went on a tour. We'll probably wore out there quick. And then we sort of just seen them and once you seen them and you didn't want to stand around too much and the crowds were pretty, they kept getting bigger and bigger so we sort of started walking back down. [00:40:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Okay nice. Where was. [00:40:43] Speaker B: And it was snowing pretty heavy too then near Nagano. [00:40:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:48] Speaker B: So it was an hour from Huckaba so we just done a day tour from there. [00:40:54] Speaker A: Yep. [00:40:55] Speaker C: Cool, nice. [00:40:59] Speaker A: What do we got next? Where are we? Oh, Tokyo. [00:41:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:05] Speaker A: How did you like Tokyo for photography? [00:41:09] Speaker B: It was cool, but I wasn't a fan of Tokyo. Like, being the end of the trip. Yeah, being the end of the trip. We were like, I don't know. Is this so busy? I'm not big with crowds. [00:41:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:41:23] Speaker B: And where we were staying, I don't know. I feel like shinjuku and shibuya, all the rest of it, they just feel like that's the first time we felt unsafe in Japan. [00:41:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:35] Speaker B: Walking around those shopping districts, were you. [00:41:37] Speaker C: Getting hassled at all? [00:41:40] Speaker B: Nah, but we obviously ended up in, like, some areas, and it was just like, you know, bars, strippers. [00:41:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:47] Speaker B: People standing out the front sort of like. [00:41:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:51] Speaker B: Looking at you and you're like, oh, yeah. Doesn't feel right. [00:41:54] Speaker A: There's a certain amount of. If you drink a certain amount of alcohol, and if the people you're with are over a certain height, it all just looks like pretty lights, and you forget about all that stuff. [00:42:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:08] Speaker A: But I think. Think Jim and I might have drank too much when we were there. We did not even give it a second thought until the next day, and we were like, oh, man, we probably could have done. We could have been in trouble last night. [00:42:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:19] Speaker B: I've heard of stories, like, people getting, you know, they go into a bar. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:25] Speaker B: Have a few drinks, and then they don't get let out until they pay their tab of a $1,000 or. [00:42:29] Speaker A: Yeah. That, unfortunately, is fairly common, particularly in Roppongi, I think is one of the suburbs that's pretty popular for it, but I think that is creeping into Shinjuku and. But if you're in the. The popular areas, it's probably pretty unlikely, but. Yeah. What street you wander to, you might not realize that you're in a. Yeah. [00:42:50] Speaker C: I think our first year in 2016, it was completely harmless. It seemed harmless. And then the second year, it was like a different world. [00:42:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:00] Speaker C: It was, um, snowy, real. Yeah. [00:43:05] Speaker B: Just a bit more photos. Um, and all the restaurants now have, um, like, plastic around them, like, at the front. So, you know, like, at the italian restaurant on View street. Oh, yeah, there's. They've got all that around the restaurants. Like, the street restaurants. So you can't even do, like, why, um, obviously, Covid, you have to wear everywhere. [00:43:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:29] Speaker A: I don't know if that would keep. Does that keep covered out or keep it in? [00:43:33] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:43:34] Speaker A: You know, like, what's the. Yeah. Restaurant. Do you. Would you really want plastic all around, or wouldn't it be better to have a fresh air blowing through so then. [00:43:41] Speaker B: You couldn't really, like, do street photography, if you're trying to get photos of that as well, like sort of stuff. [00:43:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Nagas, when I was on the Hiroshima, a must use in Japan. [00:44:00] Speaker C: Was where. [00:44:00] Speaker B: I was when I was on the podcast. [00:44:02] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. And there are they is. Were they your favorite places to visit in Japan? [00:44:10] Speaker B: They're pretty up there. Just a lot quieter, probably. Hiroshima was probably the best. And Kyoto was cool. [00:44:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. We've got some settings here. [00:44:24] Speaker C: Yeah, I like this. [00:44:27] Speaker A: Okay, so your post has got a little bit more of a story we've got. [00:44:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:31] Speaker A: D 850 Tamron, 24 to 72.8 using your carbon fiber waterproof tripod, no filters. F 6.22 seconds. ISO 64 at 35 mm. Rob, Wanda says, nice one, mate. Yeah, I miss this place. Yeah, very nice. Is that cool place to visit? [00:44:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it was basically just that it went for probably 100, 200 meters, and we were there pretty early, and then it started getting busy. [00:44:58] Speaker C: Yeah, that's pretty epic. [00:44:59] Speaker A: Getting the Mount Fuji reflection. This is a nice photo. [00:45:03] Speaker B: Yeah, this is probably my favorite shot. [00:45:05] Speaker C: Yeah, it's pretty good. I like it. [00:45:10] Speaker A: I started melting on the lake, causing water to move. And then the boat. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Yeah, you could. You could hear the ice just starting to, like, crack. And then as soon as you, like, heard it, the water just started, like, rippling. [00:45:22] Speaker A: So is the ice the bit that's sort of further out? That's the ice, like, where it's not a clear reflection. [00:45:31] Speaker B: I don't know, but it was sort of like those ice, like, where I was standing. [00:45:35] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:45:37] Speaker B: And then that sat a rippling, and then it just started melting. And then the boat started, which ruined everything. [00:45:45] Speaker A: No, that was the 25 2nd exposure. Is that right? [00:45:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:45:50] Speaker A: So that would have been 3.2. [00:45:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:56] Speaker A: One day we'll have to check out a, um. A big version of that, maybe. Zoom in. [00:46:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:02] Speaker A: See what it's like. Looks good. It's a nice photo. How much, uh, editing did you have to do to. To get it to look the way you want it to? [00:46:11] Speaker B: I didn't really touch much. Besides the buildings on the left. The very left. [00:46:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:18] Speaker B: Where they're, like, more white. They were like. I can't remember what color they were, but I had to dial them back a little bit because it just sort of took your eye away. [00:46:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And this is that. This is a square crop. Yeah. Like, is that. What? Is that how you would finish this photo or is that just for Instagram? Like, what would you do, put it in your house or something? [00:46:41] Speaker B: No, I would have the, like, the wide version in there. I think it's just more for Instagram. [00:46:46] Speaker A: The old square crop. [00:46:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:48] Speaker B: Fills up the page a bit more, you know, so more chance of a like, but obviously didn't do that well. [00:46:54] Speaker A: Ruins compositions. [00:46:56] Speaker C: I don't know. That's a cool photo. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Yeah, it is a cool photo. [00:46:59] Speaker B: This is where I got told off for the tripod. [00:47:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. You still tag the tripod in you? [00:47:05] Speaker B: Because I used it. I was still using it. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Oh, I like that. That means that needs a. I mean, that's cool. That's like a, um, a photo that you would put in, like an Airbnb, you know, on the wall or something. But if that had a person in it, that would be cool as. [00:47:25] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, maybe Adam in. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Maybe if it had, like, a photographer walking away with a camera over their shoulder, just wandering down the. Down the middle there. That's the photo. Maybe we should. Yeah, maybe we should go back and that could be a marketing photo for lucky. If you don't have. If you don't have a camera strap or if you're using the stock camera strap that come with your camera, I suggest you head to lucky straps.com and check it out. Best camera straps on the planet. But seriously, that shot would be cool if someone was wandering down. Yeah, maybe like a couple wandering down. I don't know, something. It's very cool. [00:48:10] Speaker B: I did mention lucky straps on japanese news as well, Justin. [00:48:14] Speaker A: Ah, yeah, you mentioned. That's pretty cool. [00:48:17] Speaker B: Hmm. [00:48:18] Speaker A: I didn't see a big spark in sales, unfortunately. [00:48:21] Speaker B: No. I don't even know if we made it onto the. The cut. [00:48:26] Speaker A: They probably cut you out. [00:48:29] Speaker B: Yeah, most likely. [00:48:33] Speaker A: So you're happy? Happy with the photos that you got. You've. You still got more to go through and post? [00:48:37] Speaker B: Uh, there's a few more, um. I don't know. They could always be better. Would be nice to. Because you only got the conditions that you have, like. Yeah, I couldn't keep dragging Irish back to the same spot multiple times, which was what I would normally do. [00:48:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Just. Just keep making it get up. Early. Sunrise. [00:48:59] Speaker B: Yeah, early days, long days. We're doing about 30,000 steps a day. [00:49:05] Speaker A: Wow, that's good. [00:49:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:09] Speaker A: You'Ll be fit. [00:49:11] Speaker B: Far from it. [00:49:14] Speaker C: Lots of fear. [00:49:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you drink lots of japanese beer? [00:49:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And then the strongs. [00:49:24] Speaker C: Yeah, they're like $2. [00:49:27] Speaker A: That's a problem. Are they in vending machines over there now? [00:49:33] Speaker B: I think so. But we'll just get them from the, like, the lawson's. [00:49:37] Speaker C: Yeah, they're tasty. [00:49:39] Speaker B: They are. And they're 9%. Let's have one and you're done. [00:49:45] Speaker A: Dangerous. Dangerous. If you're. If you're listening people don't drink that stuff. What else you guys want to talk about today? [00:49:57] Speaker C: I don't know. Have a look at the wedding. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Well, we can, I guess. We just looked at Grant's photos. Yeah, let's. Let's whip it up. [00:50:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:04] Speaker A: If you see a photo that you think is amazing, Grant, you just yell out. We won't tell you who took it. [00:50:10] Speaker C: I have to share my screen. I know. To get that. [00:50:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it's probably the easiest way. And then you can make lightroom full screen. Potentially you can make the photos full screen. If they're in. If they're in a different screen. I gotta buy grand. I gotta buy one of those media mod things for the Gopro to take. Oh, yeah, I did. I really liked it. I'm gonna buy one of them to take over to Tasmania. I think Yelena and I are gonna attempt to make a Tasmania video and just see how painful it is to be like travel video people. [00:50:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:53] Speaker B: When you. When you go tassie. [00:50:55] Speaker A: Ah. One week and three days. [00:50:59] Speaker B: Oh, that's exciting. [00:51:01] Speaker A: It's coming up fast. So yelena got a new bike today. She got a new e bike. [00:51:06] Speaker C: It's very fancy. [00:51:08] Speaker A: It is very fancy. And so yulaina's got a new e bike and I've got a new e bike. So we take you four bikes over. We on adventures going to go to our first mountain bike race. And we've just booked in for a thing called the heckle fest where they take us around to all the best, like viewing locations for the race on the mountain. Race day. I know everyone as a group heckles the riders, which I'm quite excited about. [00:51:37] Speaker C: That sounds fun. [00:51:38] Speaker B: You'll be good at that. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'll get some photos and video from that. But otherwise, yeah, we're gonna. I'm gonna sort of attempt to. We'll start making a video and we'll stop as soon as we're like, this sucks. And we'll just see. We'll see what it's like. [00:51:53] Speaker B: See how far you get. [00:51:54] Speaker A: I don't put that screen there, Jim. [00:51:57] Speaker C: I can't see you. [00:51:59] Speaker A: You don't need to see me. We'll just look at the photos also. [00:52:02] Speaker B: Before you start, Jim, maybe start a may. If we're not all busy. We could go to bright and do a photo comp there. [00:52:10] Speaker A: You know what we should do? So. Okay. That's a good point. So, one thing. We should go to bright as a team and maybe have a photo. An autumn photo challenge. Yeah, right. Maybe. Maybe with mystery cameras. We'll see. [00:52:28] Speaker C: I could maybe rustle up something by then. [00:52:31] Speaker A: No, no. What do you mean? A camera or what? [00:52:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, you mean you're just gonna pick some random cameras? [00:52:37] Speaker A: I mean I'm gonna pick random cameras. I mean, it's someone else to package them in boxes. And we won't know what we're getting until we undo our box, and that's when the time. And that's when the timer starts. And if your battery. Slight. Too bad. [00:52:50] Speaker C: Are you talking film cameras or. [00:52:52] Speaker A: It could be anything. Okay, we'll see. We'll see. That could be. Yeah, we definitely should do that. We should. And then maybe we'll even do our first camera life meetup over there. [00:53:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:53:06] Speaker B: See, like, start of May would be peak time. [00:53:09] Speaker A: Autumn prime. Autumn time. Yeah, we should try and do it. This actually, Lucky is actually supporting a. I'll see if I can find the details. I thought you might want to go, Jim. There's lucky. [00:53:22] Speaker C: Yeah, you were gonna. You were gonna. Last. We chatted. You were gonna get back. [00:53:26] Speaker A: I'll scope it out. I'll scope it out. But, yeah, there's, like, a wedding. It's at Holtham, though. I think it's in late May. I'll have to double check. Have you done that before? Yes. Yeah. But it's a different. It's a different group organizing it, but there's some of the same speakers and stuff. Yeah. So similar kind of thing, but, yeah. Like a wedding and elopement photographers workshop up on Hotham sometime in May. [00:53:51] Speaker B: So do you need a place to stay? [00:53:53] Speaker A: Maybe. Although I didn't even think about that, Andy. Yeah, maybe I'll talk to him, Jim. Because if we have somewhere to stay. [00:54:04] Speaker C: Yeah. We're even less. Less of a burden. [00:54:08] Speaker A: Yeah, we're not much of a burden at all. Although, getting from. Getting from dinner plane to Hotham and back. [00:54:18] Speaker C: Do they run buses that time of year or not? None at that time. [00:54:21] Speaker A: No, not in May. [00:54:22] Speaker C: Just drive. [00:54:25] Speaker A: You can drive. Anyway, let's get back on topic. There's probably two listeners that are very bored. Sorry, guys. [00:54:32] Speaker C: Yes. [00:54:34] Speaker A: So this is. This is the sneak peek. So is this what you delivered to the gut? [00:54:38] Speaker C: Yeah. So you wouldn't have seen everything that got cut. So I can't see either of you two at the moment either. [00:54:46] Speaker A: That's okay. We'll tell you if we're unhappy with you. You don't have to use our body language. So, yeah, if you just click through and, Grant, you just tell us if you see something that's either amazing or if you see a floor in our photos, you tell them. Tell us. Slow down, Jim. Gonna give him time to be like, that's amazing, or, wow. What? Why? Did you crop her out? Or something like that? [00:55:12] Speaker B: No, I don't reckon you'll be doing that. You guys are professionals. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:18] Speaker B: Is that your favorite venue? [00:55:21] Speaker A: It's definitely our. Yeah, it would have to be. Sure. [00:55:25] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it's most favorite for the. The people that are there and the fact that it's like, you know, three minutes from my house. Yeah. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Which. Oh, that's another thing we need to talk about, is AI culling, because we both attempted. Yeah, we did it just so we used image and AI to attempt to cull this wedding. Go back a couple of photos, Jim, to the first kisses. And this in particular, my first kiss, which I won't tell you which one it is. Grant can try and tell us who. Who did what. [00:56:01] Speaker B: I can. Is that you there, Justin? [00:56:04] Speaker A: I don't want to say. You tell me if it is or not my first kiss. The AI did not pick the kiss. So the AI culling from image and AI, it picked them just standing next to each other. Nothing. The photo, when they kissed. And I'm guessing that's because it could see, like, eyes and faces and stuff. [00:56:26] Speaker C: But probably similarities, and it probably picked. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Up those other ones, but obviously that's an issue because it's like, if it can't, if you choose AI culling for a wedding and it doesn't pick up the first kiss, like, what else is it gonna miss? So that. That's the first thing that put doubt into my mind about the culling, but their culling is currently free and it's, like, in beta testing or whatever, even though all users can do it. So anyway, you just stop. Anytime you see something you like, Grant, you just tell us. [00:56:58] Speaker B: I'm just looking. [00:57:00] Speaker A: Just looking. So this is a group photo? [00:57:03] Speaker B: Yeah, obviously, Jim, which one? [00:57:09] Speaker A: Jim took the group photo. [00:57:11] Speaker C: I took that one. That's why everyone's laughing, looking happy. [00:57:17] Speaker A: He used his secret trick for that one. Yeah, it's a family photo. We usually always put a family photo in the sneak peek because it's a pretty common one they want to post to social media. Yeah. After the first couple of days. [00:57:30] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And we also, like we've said in the past, keep it simple. People in one line. You can see everyone. There's no one hiding. It's just. Yeah, nice and easy. We always bang out, like, the essential shots. This was Emma and her girls, Emma and Tina together, then both of them together with their girls. And then we normally say something funny or ask them to do something and then see what the reaction is. Um, what do you. [00:58:07] Speaker A: What did you ask them to do for this particular photo, Jim? [00:58:10] Speaker C: Uh, for this one, I said, I want everyone to look at their favorite member of the bridal party, which always gets mixed results. Sometimes people say, I can't look at myself. Sometimes people look at, um, you know, it might be the people out on the end, and they'll, like, these two will look at each other. Um, the girls obviously all love these two. So they all looked in there, which was great. It worked well, but it normally gets people smiling. It's just an easy way to get a bit of something happening. And then Tina with her girls, and then the girls want to play cricket. So we did it. [00:58:50] Speaker B: Action shot. [00:58:51] Speaker C: Action shots. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Were you both there taking photos then? We sure were both up at each end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:59:04] Speaker C: So these are a mixture of those. So they made this little step for Tina. She's a little bit shorter than Emma, which was fun. [00:59:15] Speaker A: It was fun, yeah, they had a lot of fun with that through the. [00:59:17] Speaker C: Day, which is good. [00:59:19] Speaker A: There was quite a few jokes made. Well, we need to talk because it's a podcast. Not everyone else is watching these photos, but if they are, I appreciate them. Drop a comment below which you think is the nicest. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Pulled the drone out. [00:59:51] Speaker A: I did whip the drone out. So they had the. All these lawn games, which they were pretty keen on. And we. We wanted to get some shots of the bridal party playing the lawn games because the couple wanted to get back to the lawn instead of spending the whole time doing photos. So we actually had a pretty short time to take photos with him. We did shots and went for a little walk. Hey, get rid of the walking shots. I like those. [01:00:17] Speaker C: No, they were in here. [01:00:20] Speaker A: Were they? Oh, yeah, no, I like that one. Yeah, that's okay. Just that one. Oh, yeah. [01:00:25] Speaker C: Yeah, you just. [01:00:27] Speaker A: You breeze past them so fast, so I. Well, like Jim was. Jim was actually in this photo, but I got rid of him. He was covering those shots. Yeah, right near the spike ball net. So I was like, it didn't need two of us to be on the lawn. Yeah, we already to the right of your net. Yeah. [01:00:54] Speaker B: Where that circle is. [01:00:57] Speaker A: I don't think so. [01:00:58] Speaker C: No, I can't see a circle on mine. [01:01:01] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. You try and spot my removal. [01:01:04] Speaker C: I thought it was here. [01:01:05] Speaker A: To be fair, I used. [01:01:08] Speaker B: Now a little bit down. [01:01:12] Speaker C: No. You have bad time? [01:01:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. I used lightrooms AI healing tool, which is confusing. [01:01:19] Speaker C: I really looks like it's there, though. [01:01:21] Speaker A: Sick of people putting a labels on everything. [01:01:24] Speaker C: But are you sure it's not there? [01:01:25] Speaker B: Just bottom left of that. [01:01:26] Speaker A: No. Yet it's Grant closer. Oh, look, I'm confused now. I can show you if you went. [01:01:32] Speaker B: To your left a little bit. [01:01:34] Speaker A: I'll show you guys in a minute. [01:01:36] Speaker B: Once we're not too far in between that. [01:01:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:39] Speaker B: Where the mouse is kind of there. [01:01:40] Speaker A: I'll show you because I. I also want to show you the mask. [01:01:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. [01:01:46] Speaker A: Have you used the masking lately in lightrooms? Latest? [01:01:49] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:01:51] Speaker A: Pick up anything with the people selection? [01:01:54] Speaker B: Yeah, subject selection, sky? [01:01:56] Speaker A: No, no. People selection. [01:01:59] Speaker B: Oh, no. [01:02:00] Speaker A: I'll show you. [01:02:01] Speaker C: Maybe I haven't used the people. [01:02:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll show you in a minute. Yeah. Anyway, keep going. To keep going. I'll show you. [01:02:06] Speaker C: So, yeah, Justin was shooting with the dream, the drone. I was doing some from up above. [01:02:13] Speaker A: Yeah, the drone wasn't necessary. It was just to see if I got something different. And it did add a little something, but it certainly wasn't essential. I would. I would definitely not do that if I was shooting the wedding by myself. Like, it wasn't needed. It's too slow and. Yeah, yeah. But it adds something to the day if you've got time. [01:02:32] Speaker C: Probably could have cropped that one. [01:02:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So I shot that grant with. So I put an external flash. So I put my trigger, flash trigger, Godox flash trigger on the camera. And then I put my external speed light on an insta 360 selfie stick. And so I was holding the selfie stick, like, up above me and then trying to point it at them, but from a high enough angle that it gave a bit of, like, direction to the light instead of being, like, on camera flash. Because it's so. It's really dark in there. Even during dark. And the lights. Not. It's not just dark. There's no lighting direction. Like, obviously you got a little bit light coming through that window, but that's it. Their faces would be all dark. And it's just. It's never good. Um. And. Yeah, it kind of. [01:03:21] Speaker C: What? [01:03:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's tough. [01:03:26] Speaker C: Tough. [01:03:27] Speaker A: And the same with that one. So the. The flashes coming from my left across the frame and. Yeah. And hitting that wall and them a little bit because otherwise they would be as dark as the left of the frame, basically. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:41] Speaker A: Yeah. It worked out all right, but it was, it was kind of hit and miss because it depended where I happen to be pointing the flash. [01:03:47] Speaker C: Yeah, there's lots of room for error for sure. Yeah. And these, I was actually shooting these little lights here are my godox lights at the back of the room. [01:03:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:58] Speaker C: Which worked really, really well until everyone stood up and then they didn't work that well, so. [01:04:05] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:04:09] Speaker C: So then we took them out for sunset. This is sort of pre sunset, which actually, like pulled a fair bit of temp out of these. They were pretty, um, there's a fair bit of orange light coming through. Yeah. The sky and some, at least this. [01:04:33] Speaker B: Time of year like this shots early, like, because the light's getting, like, it's getting darker quicker. [01:04:42] Speaker C: This was 08:00 it's still pretty reasonably light, I guess. Yeah. [01:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's not nine, I guess, but, yeah, it starts to get a bit easier. It's, it's, yeah, it's a good time. [01:04:51] Speaker C: I think it's like after it's, when it's around that dinner time that it's, it's tough. Yeah. [01:04:56] Speaker B: And people are like, they're not over it. Sort of like, they're like, why do we want to go out there? [01:05:00] Speaker C: That's cool. [01:05:04] Speaker B: Yeah, they're cool. [01:05:15] Speaker C: So they really wanted their little sign incorporated somehow. Yeah. So he kept that in some front bokeh. [01:05:27] Speaker A: Oh, you got rid of the different one? [01:05:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I decided I liked this one more. I think it was the boxes. Yeah, that's blocked boxes. Yeah. Some dance floor action. And Justin, is this again with your off camera flash on the stick? [01:05:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep. Everything that I shot on the dance floor was with the off camera flash on the stick as well. I varied the stick height because the shorter the stick height, the easier it was to control the direction. But see the shadow from the bride's arm? [01:06:05] Speaker C: Oh, yes. [01:06:06] Speaker A: See, there's direction, whereas if that was on camera, you would not see that shadow. And it doesn't do much, but it definitely adds depth to the image that you don't normally get when you use on camera flash just a little bit. But it does also. Yeah, it introduces a potential point of failure because there were a couple of photos where I just missed the direction by a little bit because all you have to do is twist your wrist a bit and you happen you're shooting the flash is sort of firing the wrong hold. So it was a learning experience, but I liked it. It was fun. [01:06:36] Speaker C: The dance was super crazy. It's a lot harder because you can't be sort of just whipping around as fast. [01:06:43] Speaker A: I disagree a little bit though because the fact that when it was crazy, you know when people get really close to the camera but you're actually trying to get the subject past them but you blow their head off and then you've got this bright row of heads in the front row of the photo. So I don't know if there's any other dance floor ones in there. [01:07:01] Speaker C: If you go no that's it. [01:07:03] Speaker A: There wasn't one before that. [01:07:05] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [01:07:05] Speaker A: See that one? So normally they're. The heads of that row of people would be. Would be quite bright but because the flash is so far away from them they're evenly explosive exposed the same as everyone else. That's probably the biggest advantage when the dance floor is crowded to using that technique. But the downside is. Yeah you look like a weirdo and then you accidentally leave your selfie stick at the venue. And now I had to order a new selfie stick today. Oh no I don't. I didn't have time. And I was just like I need another one hopefully before I go to Tasmania so I order one. If I end up with two it's probably good to have a backup anyway so. [01:07:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:44] Speaker A: So see what happens. [01:07:46] Speaker C: Cool. What? Anything you want to look at again? Are we all good? [01:07:51] Speaker B: Oh granted editing though like if I was to do a sneak peek. [01:07:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:57] Speaker A: Yeah. There was two of us there though. That's. That's two photographers you know like that's how. That's our premium, you know, photography package. [01:08:04] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [01:08:07] Speaker B: Does that mean you edited them as well Justin? [01:08:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I edited my photos and Jim edited his. Yeah. [01:08:15] Speaker C: So if any keen, keen eyes that are looking on the stream. Justin sent me a set of jpegs that were edited. So that's why it does look like he in the develop that I've done nothing. Yeah that photo was just perfect. [01:08:34] Speaker A: That's how it comes straight out of camera. Every one of my shots. [01:08:36] Speaker C: That's exactly. [01:08:38] Speaker A: That's just a raw cannon. [01:08:40] Speaker B: Mirrorless. There you go. Oh there now I should have picked that up. There we go. [01:08:46] Speaker A: That's so if you go back to the sunset photos Jim, I'll just show grant the one that I did that I'm quite happy with that. I wouldn't normally do so that's a pretty normal shot. Yeah, go. Or that one as well. Like they're pretty similar to what we would normally do. That's very similar to how I would normally do sunset. These. That one. That's different to how I would normally do sunset. So instead of the backlight being behind them. So we're using two lights. One high up on a soft. With a softbox high up in front. And then one. Yeah. And then one usually directly behind them. So if you go like that, it's over. Yeah. And that's directly behind them. There's a lot. [01:09:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:31] Speaker A: And there's a light in front as well. So instead, when that other photo was taken, Jim, I think, was still shooting straight on. [01:09:40] Speaker B: Yes. [01:09:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:41] Speaker A: And so I. I pivoted around. So the. The front flash is to my right, and the rear flash, instead of being directly behind them, is to the left of the frame. It looks like sun rays. Yeah, that's the rear flash with an orange gel on it. And that wasn't really a plan. That's just. I just did that because it. I was like, well, let's see if that works. And it actually worked better than I thought. [01:10:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Looks pretty. [01:10:07] Speaker A: Well. [01:10:08] Speaker B: It looks like sun. Like. [01:10:09] Speaker A: It looks. It does. [01:10:11] Speaker C: And it was also gelled. Yeah. Orange ct on it. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's got an orange gel. And the. It is coming from the direction of the sun, too. The sun had actually just set, I think. So the sun had already gone, which is why the flash has enough power to look like sun, but it's coming from the same direction, which probably helps. [01:10:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it works. [01:10:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [01:10:34] Speaker A: Yelena's asking, would you do it again? I'm not sure what. [01:10:38] Speaker C: The photo. [01:10:39] Speaker A: The quote. I don't know whether she's talking about that photo or the dance floor photos with the stick. I don't know how behind are two. A two photographer wedding with Jim, that is. I do have another one coming up later this year, so. Yes, I am doing it again. [01:10:54] Speaker C: Yeah. Do it again, for sure. [01:10:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Ah, she did mean the photo. Yes. I would do it again. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. It's not. Yeah. It's not a normal way of setting it up. [01:11:09] Speaker C: That'd be the normal way. [01:11:10] Speaker A: Like, I could attempt to set it up again and it possibly would not work. I don't know. It was. [01:11:16] Speaker C: It looks nice. [01:11:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Just including a little bit of backlight. But that. See that, unfortunately, as cool as it is, a photographer will look at that and go, well, that's not the sun. Because there's trees above it. You know. [01:11:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:28] Speaker A: So that could. [01:11:31] Speaker B: There, like. That's what I thought. [01:11:33] Speaker A: A reflection. [01:11:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [01:11:34] Speaker B: Reflection. But obviously it's past. [01:11:36] Speaker A: You never know. And they won't care. They're gonna look at it and go, cool photo. You know, like they're not gonna over analyze it or whatever, but, yeah, that's, that's a. Not a real light. [01:11:45] Speaker C: So I got rid of the crickets too. Justin. Yeah, yeah. [01:11:50] Speaker A: I owe you a beer. I. I spent so much time worrying about, like, how to edit this photo, actually. It like, played around with different. It's actually a different color profile and preset than every other photo in here because it had different colors. It was quite unique. Anyway, I forgot that her dress was full of. Or their dresses really were full of crickets. They kept these little. Yeah. [01:12:18] Speaker B: Wow. [01:12:18] Speaker A: So Jim. Jim's gone and edited them all for me, which was quite nice. It would have been 20 and in the, in there easily. [01:12:28] Speaker C: Can you guys see that? [01:12:29] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:12:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's the sort of thing that, on instagram you could probably get away with not doing that, but. Yeah, the couple knew they had crickets in their dresses. They mentioned it a few times. They weren't super keen on it. So they see one. It's like instead of seeing this nice sunset image they took, they might see, ah, they're those crickets in my dress. I, you know, so, yeah, just think about the. Thanks, Jim. [01:12:54] Speaker C: That's okay. I am. The wedding. The wedding I finished editing yesterday. Bethany, there was a lot like us. So many flies. [01:13:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:05] Speaker C: In every photo. [01:13:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that, well, that was a particularly brutal. [01:13:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:10] Speaker A: Day for flies. [01:13:11] Speaker C: Yeah. And like, the location, everything. It was, um. Yeah, a lot of flies. But that's sort of. You win some, you lose some. Sometimes there's zero flies. [01:13:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:20] Speaker C: So just sort of balances out. [01:13:24] Speaker A: Cool. No favorites, Grant, you don't want to commit to which, which photographers better at this point. You can, you can reserve your judgment for later. That's fine. [01:13:36] Speaker B: I. Yeah, next one. And now that you've pointed out the whole jpeg nikon thing, that's all I'm looking at. [01:13:45] Speaker A: Oh, so now you know which one's which. [01:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I was trying to pick up, like, who wrote it different? I didn't see the, um, the nef and the JPEG at the end. [01:13:54] Speaker A: Um, I'll, I'll share this in a second, Jimbo, and show you. Oh, when you're done, I'll show you this subject detection. [01:14:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I was going to show. Do you want to. Quickly. So to give you an idea of the culling grant. Yeah. So everything that's green was picked as a definite. So. Yeah. What? Imagine AI would class as a five star. I've changed the star, so I could stare at it myself. So anything that's green, it definitely picked and said you definitely needed anything yellow. [01:14:28] Speaker A: How many of the greens were there? [01:14:30] Speaker C: How many greens total? There was 700. [01:14:35] Speaker A: Interesting. Which is more than normal. More than you would normally want. [01:14:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:41] Speaker A: But in theory, if it knew that, if they were right, that would be great because you could just go through and trim that down a little bit and that's perfect. [01:14:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:47] Speaker B: Callum through 700 instead of 7000. [01:14:50] Speaker A: Yeah. If you knew that. Right. [01:14:52] Speaker C: Maybe something's gone wrong. There's some red ones. [01:15:02] Speaker A: What was yellow supposed to be? [01:15:04] Speaker C: So yellow was supposed to be four stars. [01:15:06] Speaker A: Mm hmm. [01:15:07] Speaker C: So probably need. [01:15:10] Speaker A: Yep. [01:15:11] Speaker C: And then red was supposed to be duplicates, but I think it's. I'm trying to get my camera in front of us. Yeah. Somehow picked up all of them. So that doesn't sound right. I might have. I might have made some. An error when I was, um, converting the colors, but the. The yellows and the greens are definitely what it selected. So anything and anything that's starred is, um, so of it's 700. What did I pick? [01:15:42] Speaker A: I think 180 of the 700 that it said were definite. [01:15:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:47] Speaker A: So did you. When you went through and did your pass, you didn't. You didn't look at the colors at all. You were just looking at like, do I want this photo or not? [01:15:55] Speaker C: Sometimes, like, I might have gone through and been like, there might have been two of that and then I might have picked that one and not because I was. Just because I was more interested and I was like, well, if they're kind of same, same. I want to give it the benefit of the doubt. [01:16:07] Speaker A: Well, that's what I was going to say. Because sometimes if you've got three photos and they're all identical, that it might have picked one and you might have picked one and it might look like a different one and it might look like you've picked a different one, but really they were both basically the same. You just took multiple frames of the same shot. But, yeah, if you were kind of defaulting to what it picked when there were a few options, then, yeah, that's not great. 180 out of 700 isn't a. Isn't a great hit rate for the old artificial intelligence. [01:16:37] Speaker C: No, I definitely didn't. I guess you sort of said that, um, it hadn't picked your first kiss, so I was like, no, I'm just going to cut it like normal and then I'll work it out afterwards how it did, rather than try and do it from the start. [01:16:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:51] Speaker C: I'll just color it like normal and then kind of work from there. So, yeah, anything that's green, it definitely picked. Anything that's yellow, it peaked and said, probably look at this. And then the reds are. I think. I think it said just duplicates, but, yeah, like, you know, these are all red. Like, these are all moments. And this only this has had a one pass over it. So, you know, there is, again, there is some duplicates that, like, don't need three of them. [01:17:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:19] Speaker C: So I'll call some of them out. [01:17:20] Speaker A: So, so far, AI culling through. Imagine AI not going great. [01:17:30] Speaker C: But that's today, though. [01:17:32] Speaker A: Like, it's only going to get better in theory. It should slowly get more intelligent. [01:17:37] Speaker B: Yes. [01:17:37] Speaker A: And then eventually take over the world. Right. I'm going to share my screen and show you this. I don't know if you would have used it or not because I hadn't used it. So I'm in the select mask and you would normally click on subject. That's how you would do it. Or bat or sky or whatever. [01:17:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:18:00] Speaker A: Check this out. Person one, person two. Yeah, this one, this one, this one. So check this. Boom. Entire person. Face, body, skin, eyebrows. And this is from a fair way away. Like, if this is a headshot that works. Yeah. [01:18:22] Speaker C: Insane. [01:18:23] Speaker A: So you're picking up what I'm putting down. Like, how much better this has got. So. [01:18:29] Speaker C: And it was like, picking up all these people and I'm like, I don't need. It wasn't this, but it was something similar, like, showing all the space. [01:18:36] Speaker A: Face tracking. Yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's somewhere else. But, like, let's. Is there somewhere where I've got some, like, a close up face? What have I got here? Nothing really, but let's. Oh, yeah, here we go. Let's see if it works on this. Maybe create mask. Select people. Detecting people. Person one. Select person one. Face. Skin. [01:19:05] Speaker C: Whoa. [01:19:06] Speaker A: Body. [01:19:06] Speaker C: Skin. [01:19:07] Speaker A: Eyebrows. Eyes. Iris and pupil. Lips. Teeth. Hair. [01:19:15] Speaker C: That's insane. [01:19:18] Speaker B: Go to an outside one for me. [01:19:21] Speaker A: Okay. So, like, I'm glad I'm here to show you guys what. What the dealio is, because since I've. [01:19:27] Speaker B: Been back from Japan, if I was to do click on sky, like, it just doesn't do anything. Like, you'll just select nearly the whole screen. [01:19:36] Speaker A: Have you updated everything? Because check this out. It's night time. [01:19:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:42] Speaker B: I don't know what it is. [01:19:45] Speaker A: I like to do some creative editing and just get shit like hdR. [01:19:49] Speaker C: That is how it looked. I do remember that. [01:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember how purple it was was awesome. [01:19:56] Speaker B: But even. Yeah, I'd like, like, subject and it would just. It would, like, select most of the screen. [01:20:04] Speaker C: It almost does look better, Justin. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Thanks, Jim. I appreciate it. So can I get a. Thanks for picking up on the old. [01:20:14] Speaker C: Yeah, that's cool. [01:20:15] Speaker A: The old. So that, that's like. So this was the AI skin smooth mask from. So the ecta, like the. Sorry, the mast and labs founder thing that I bought preset that does skin smooth. That was done in one selection. So basically, click one button, and it selects that, what there, and smooths it. Yelena says, I don't understand what you're showing us on the people. Yeah. [01:20:47] Speaker C: So the red bits that Justin's highlighting when he was rolling through, that was a selection that he could then adjust locally. So you could locally adjust just the teeth, just the lips do something different. The skin something different. You probably do, like, a crazy color. [01:21:09] Speaker A: I also like having to go through. [01:21:10] Speaker B: Yourself and paint it all. [01:21:13] Speaker A: Let me. Let me just. Let me bring this up and let me do it on color. [01:21:16] Speaker C: Yeah. So. [01:21:23] Speaker A: Let me put something like that on there and then do this. So now we're going to select the face skin. [01:21:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:21:37] Speaker A: And we'll create a mask for that. We're going to make that blue look. So what you would normally use this for is to maybe smooth the skin out a little bit by. It's already got skin smoothing on it so you can see they're not smooth. Super smooth. Somewhere in there, you'd have skin smoothing applied. And then we go create another mask. But this one, we go select people person one. And let's go with eyebrows. [01:22:10] Speaker C: You later said, I guess I just don't know what we normally do to be amazed by this feature. So normally we would either have to use a brush. [01:22:22] Speaker A: Is she telling me that this isn't amazing? Look at those eyebrows. That is, you'd normally use your mouth. [01:22:28] Speaker B: And select the whole face, like, by. [01:22:30] Speaker C: Like, either brush it in manually, like a sort of in each section, or they did bring in the auto kind of. It picked up similar colors. So you could do one click over their whole face. And it would kind of work, but it wouldn't do, like, things like eyebrows and teeth would all be individually localized. [01:22:51] Speaker A: Like, this is to manually. You would have to manually brush it with your mouse. Yeah. With a small round. Yeah. To grab these lips and go create mask and like to do a serious, like a potentially serious edit those, like. Sorry. [01:23:08] Speaker B: Do you think this is going to make editing longer? Because you're going to be more. [01:23:12] Speaker A: No, it's going to make it faster for someone that might use Photoshop to be able to just use lightroom and just mask things really rapidly, it might tempt photographers like us to maybe do a little bit more to some photos than we normally would because it's so quick. But if you, in general, if you're doing this kind of stuff, it's going to speed your workflow up. If you're not doing this stuff, then just pretend it doesn't exist or use it when you want and it'll be real fast. But yeah, I don't think it's going to make what we do slower. It's just going to give us fast options if we want to use them. Yeah, but we wouldn't take photo, we almost never take photos into Photoshop to do this kind of stuff or. [01:23:55] Speaker C: No, I don't think we ever had for that. Like, it's only ever sometimes to get rid of something we can't get rid of. Can't get rid of in lightroom. But if we can't get rid of it in lightroom, it's probably not worth getting rid of. Well, sometimes maybe face swap, but that's very, very rare. [01:24:11] Speaker A: Yeah, and this isn't really getting rid of stuff. This is more like. Yeah, like if you just want, really wanted to lighten up the eyes just a little bit. Like, so that, you know, maybe that. [01:24:22] Speaker C: But you would have used rush that in and then, so that was instead of being six clicks, it was three clicks and then you're rubbing. Yeah. You know, and then however long it takes you to just brush in the eye, really zoomed in. Intricate work whereas. Yeah, it's literally selecting for you. It's. Yeah, it's gonna make it a lot easier. [01:24:43] Speaker A: Yep. [01:24:46] Speaker C: That's cool. [01:24:47] Speaker B: Thank you, Justin. [01:24:48] Speaker C: Yeah, well, thanks for the questions because that probably helped us all work through a little bit as well. Exactly what it's doing. [01:24:55] Speaker A: It's a cool feature. They keep rolling out new stuff. Yeah. I think AI editing tools definitely seem a lot more useful and a lot more powerful to me than AI editing itself, as in done for you versus here's a really powerful tool that speeds things up. That's where I see the value of that sort of stuff at the moment, as opposed to have AI culling and that kind of thing. [01:25:28] Speaker B: We'll have cricket and fly selection soon. [01:25:31] Speaker A: Or I bet you it's not far away. The intelligent like, heel tool is definitely sped things up, but it does still get it wrong sometimes. But it definitely, as often as probably you do, don't you? I use it for everything unless it marks it up. [01:25:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I've just not been using it. It seems to muck it up a lot more for me. [01:25:51] Speaker A: Well, if you're not using it, how would you know. [01:25:55] Speaker C: I don't like it? How would you know if I'm gonna get. If I've. If I've got to get. So in the shadow race cellar, I get rid of. There's a sign on one of the doors. I get rid of it in every shot. And the AI tool does not it. Cuz it's such a big something. Getting rid of it doesn't get rid of it. So things like that. It's just faster for me to go. Where am I? [01:26:24] Speaker A: Well, it was. [01:26:25] Speaker C: I was exactly where I said. Yeah, that's. [01:26:29] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:26:31] Speaker B: I was probably a little bit more to the left, but. Like those. The spot. [01:26:34] Speaker A: So, yeah, if I change it to. [01:26:37] Speaker C: The one in the middle, it'll do a better job. [01:26:40] Speaker A: No, it will not. Check this out. Boom. She gone. [01:26:45] Speaker C: Okay, now zoom in. [01:26:46] Speaker B: It is good. [01:26:48] Speaker C: Zoom in. That's how I could tell exactly where it was before I showed you the circle. [01:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it's fine. There's nothing wrong with it. It's one click. [01:26:57] Speaker C: Okay. Your standards and my standards, I guess. [01:27:00] Speaker A: Okay, so we get rid of this heel tool and then we use this. Oh, yeah, that worked well. Yeah, I wanted an extra set of that. [01:27:11] Speaker C: No, and then drag it. Not there. Drag it next to it so it's in the same line of grass. And line it up and it'll be perfect. And you should knees them in. And you cannot see an edge. [01:27:22] Speaker A: You cannot still see an edge. You dreaming, Jim? You can tell. You can tell. [01:27:28] Speaker B: Same thing. [01:27:29] Speaker A: You end up with two of the same thing. There's. Look, I'm telling you, when it's grass. [01:27:34] Speaker B: Though, it doesn't matter, does it? [01:27:36] Speaker C: It works where we're picking it. [01:27:39] Speaker A: Yeah. You don't end up. Because how many times. And be honest, Jim, you. Because be honest, how many times does it grab something ridiculous for its first selection? And you've got to move that thing to be fair. [01:27:52] Speaker C: Not. Not that often. [01:27:54] Speaker A: Now, I disagree. [01:27:56] Speaker B: How good would it be for one. [01:27:58] Speaker C: One click things? It doesn't. It doesn't very often. Sometimes it does. [01:28:02] Speaker A: Well, I tell you this. If you have to do something that's on an edge, the AI tool actually works and that other tool will never work. So safe. Say if it's like someone's next to someone's leg and it goes from behind their leg, to next to their leg, and it's like, through the pants line. The AI tool does work. It figures out there's an edge there, and it works it out. [01:28:21] Speaker C: Okay. [01:28:21] Speaker A: Yeah. You. You'll come around. Yeah, come around. Embrace our robot overlords. [01:28:33] Speaker C: All right, what else is there? We got anything else? [01:28:36] Speaker A: I mean, that's. That's close to it, but. [01:28:39] Speaker C: Hmm. [01:28:39] Speaker A: I don't know. I feel like. I feel like we need some funniest. [01:28:43] Speaker C: Something funny. [01:28:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. Google some photography jokes or something out. [01:28:47] Speaker C: Some of your photos or something with. [01:28:52] Speaker B: Heaps of circles in them. [01:28:56] Speaker C: All the ones with crickets in them. [01:29:00] Speaker A: Photography jokes. What do we got here? [01:29:03] Speaker C: Is this going to be a new section at the end of the podcast? Yeah, just Justin's jokes. [01:29:08] Speaker A: Bad photography. Uh, why did Jim have to give up his career as a photographer? [01:29:17] Speaker C: I don't know. [01:29:18] Speaker A: He kept losing focus. Oh, come on. [01:29:24] Speaker C: That's pretty good. That's pretty good. [01:29:25] Speaker A: It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Ever since buying these are fucking terrible. Ever since buying a digital camera, I can only think of its positive points. There aren't any negatives. Got you there. Losing viewers by the second. All right, how does Santa take photos? [01:29:56] Speaker C: Something about a sleigh. [01:29:58] Speaker A: No. Anyone with this North Polaroid? [01:30:05] Speaker B: Oh, that's terrible. [01:30:07] Speaker A: Come on. [01:30:09] Speaker C: What are we saying, Grant? [01:30:11] Speaker B: Why did the photographer go to jail? [01:30:14] Speaker C: Because of his bad jokes. [01:30:17] Speaker B: Because he got framed. [01:30:19] Speaker A: Ah, good one. Good one. [01:30:23] Speaker C: Oh, a friend, a friend. [01:30:27] Speaker A: A friend of mine is always going on about photography jokes at the end of his podcast. You just can't shatter him up. [01:30:35] Speaker B: I think that's the end of it. [01:30:42] Speaker C: She hasn't, she hasn't. Put the. I'm gonna make it up. I'm gonna make it up. Was she making it up? [01:30:51] Speaker B: I think that was the answering. The Santa one. [01:30:54] Speaker A: Oh, the Santa one. Alphys, that's a good. Yeah. [01:30:57] Speaker C: Yeah, that is better than Polaroid. Yeah. [01:31:04] Speaker A: Oh, just. This is so fucking bad. [01:31:12] Speaker B: I got one more. [01:31:14] Speaker A: Okay. [01:31:16] Speaker B: Why was the always broke? [01:31:20] Speaker A: Because he keeps buying you shit. [01:31:23] Speaker B: Because he never developed any money shots. [01:31:28] Speaker A: We can't finish on that one. I don't know. I don't like it. We can't finish on that one. [01:31:34] Speaker B: That's why I went with that. [01:31:37] Speaker A: You got any forest, Jim? [01:31:40] Speaker C: I'll see if I can find. All right. [01:31:51] Speaker A: I've got it. I've got it. [01:31:52] Speaker C: Why couldn't the photographer see straight? [01:31:55] Speaker A: Why? [01:31:56] Speaker C: He took too many shots. [01:31:58] Speaker A: Oh, no, I've got the. I've got the good one. What's the difference between a large pepperoni pizza and a photographer. [01:32:17] Speaker C: What? Pepperoni pizza can feed the whole family. [01:32:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Winner. Okay, we can end on that. [01:32:29] Speaker B: Oh, I just saw that. [01:32:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:30] Speaker A: Okay. [01:32:32] Speaker C: Um. [01:32:34] Speaker A: That's good. That's good. Let's end it there. [01:32:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:37] Speaker B: That was terrible. Let's never do that again. [01:32:39] Speaker A: It was beautiful. It was beautiful. Don't waste. Don't waste any of the good ones, Jim. Save him for next one. [01:32:45] Speaker C: I'll save the next one. [01:32:46] Speaker A: Are you sure? Or do you want to do it? No, you want to hear none of that? Okay. Tune in next week for Jim's. [01:32:52] Speaker B: Awesome. [01:32:52] Speaker A: Funny. [01:32:53] Speaker B: Oh, we just got one more view. [01:32:54] Speaker A: I. [01:32:54] Speaker B: Come on, you go. Do it now. [01:32:55] Speaker A: All right. Do it. Do it for the last. Hit us. [01:32:58] Speaker C: What's the fastest way to make money from photography? [01:33:03] Speaker A: Sell all of your camera gear. [01:33:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:33:05] Speaker A: Oh, I have to change or charge my battery. Was that it? [01:33:08] Speaker C: Could be. I think. Yeah, I think that's our setup. [01:33:10] Speaker A: Yeah, we gotta go. [01:33:15] Speaker B: And the podcast got interesting. [01:33:17] Speaker A: Podcast over. All right, goodbye. [01:33:22] Speaker B: See you later. Bye.