EP112 Justin's Back! The Random Photography Show

[00:00:02] Speaker A: Welcome to the random photography show on the Camera Life podcast. I'm Justin and I'm back. [00:00:21] Speaker B: At least the audio is working properly. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I fixed it. [00:00:29] Speaker B: Yeah, of course you did. Hey gang, and welcome back. This is the Camera Life podcast. Already mincing my words, it's the random photography show. It is the 1st of September. Can you believe that befop is next month. That's how close we are, folks. So yes, it is episode 112 of the camera Life podcast proudly brought to you by the good people at Lucky straps. Head to Luckystraps.com if you are looking for a premium handmade Aussie made crafted leather camera strap. Lots of personalization options, lots of strap styles to choose from, Go there and check it out. Oh, and use Code Greg for a healthy discount too. Being the random photography show, we obviously have a lot of lot to get into. Justin's got a whole suitcase of stuff to unpack from his trip to New Zealand. We've got some news to cover off, some images to look at. But first you might notice that Jim has either gone very blonde or a lot blonder or we have someone else joining us and in fact it is the latter. Nicholas Walton Healey joining us once again. G', day mate. How are you? [00:01:33] Speaker C: Yeah, good. Greg, Justin, good evening. Thank you both so much for having me back on the show. Yeah, really fantastic. As I just mentioned to Greg before we came, before we hit the live button that, yeah, the timing is, is very fortuitous indeed. [00:01:49] Speaker B: Yeah, well we're going to get to that. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Always great to have you. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. So Nicholas is here, not joining us as a co host so to speak, but he's here to promote something that he's got coming up very shortly. But just before we get to that, boss, do you want to say hello to the chat? [00:02:05] Speaker A: I do. I've missed them so much. I do. I want to say hello to everyone. So the best. The first comment. Rick Nelson. I'm early even though I know the show will start late and you were right, we were late and it's good to be back. Rick Nelson. Paul says we're still an optimistic bunch. Yeah, we are we early one day. I probably not. Philip Johnson says greetings, Lisa Leach is here. Good to see you. Roy Bigsby. I'm here right on time for some unknown reason. And oh, Greg Carrick's here. How many times. Fujifilm. Yeah, he's got it. Greg's just got to cleanse his camera. [00:02:43] Speaker B: After the contractually obligated to to get a certain number out. [00:02:47] Speaker A: But Thursday's show was so canon heavy because we had, we had Jeff Cable, a canon icon, Olympic sports photographer and, and me and him just got to nerd out on canon camera gear. So Greg's probably ready to Fuji it up. [00:03:04] Speaker B: I actually got a Fuji news story too. [00:03:07] Speaker A: Oh yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Neil Leach is here. John Pickett is here. David Leporati. Good to see you, Grant. Grant says, whoa, Jim looks different. Must be because he doesn't have a flanny on. Jim might join us. He might be. He might come in soon. We'll see. [00:03:23] Speaker B: Yep. [00:03:24] Speaker A: And Tony's here. Get off my digital lawn. Paul Henderson. Oh, and Yelena, what's up? Okay. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Hey guys, thanks for joining us. So of course we, we do have Nicholas with us here today. Now for anyone that may not know, Nicholas has been a past guest of the Camera Life podcast. He was one of our earlier interviews we did. Oh gosh. Can you remember when it was, Nicholas? [00:03:47] Speaker C: Yeah, it was. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Would have been. [00:03:48] Speaker C: I think it was in November last year. Yeah. Towards the end of the year. And that appearance sort of coincided with an exhibition at the time. Yeah. And I think Justin, with your. You just come back from Viet. No, I'm not too. [00:04:05] Speaker B: Ah, see again, holiday. That's all he does. [00:04:09] Speaker A: That's all I do. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah. But so Nicholas is here because it does coincide with something that's coming up. So let me just give a quick rundown and then Nicholas, you can fill in the blanks. So there's a forthcoming photography exhibition, Yarrow Yarrow Reflection on the River. The exhibition is being held as part of the 2025 Birrarung Riverfest. And that's running I think from the, I think I saw the 6th to the 20 something of September 6th to the 28th. But Nicholas is actually having an opening of an exhibition on Thursday, September 11th at 6pm at Blender Studios in West Melbourne. Amazing to see you even within less than 12 months at it again. [00:04:55] Speaker C: Yeah, thanks, Greg. Yeah, I mean it's been a lot of this particular project has been very different to a lot of the lot of the other ones that I did I've done. And certainly a lot different to the last show that I spoke about with you guys on the podcast, which was a. A ten year collaborative effort in involving an elder and a family group on the Tiwi Islands. This project in contrast is. Is based in, in Melbourne. It's something that I've pursued alone and Melbourne is, you know, my home and birth city and it. And it does Feel, you know, very close, very close to my heart. And yeah, and I think it's, it's coming up to about two and a half years since the, since I began pursuing the project and it's, I suppose became conceptually clear that it was a project as such to the point of exhibition. So, so that, that's obviously a lot, significantly less amount of time than 10 years. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just a, just a quick project for you. Two and a half years is a quick one. Let me just bring up on the, on the big screen for everybody. This is, I'll put the link for this in the comments so everyone can have a look. Not now, maybe later when you're ready. But. So it's the Biror rung River Fair, 6 to 28 September. And, and we've got all the, the event details here. So you're holding an opening, an opening event. But before we get to that, do you want to tell us a little bit more about what's actually involved from, you know, from an image making perspective? [00:06:48] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. Well, I wasn't, I suppose I, when I, I set out, I think it was around 2023. I've spent a lot of my, my life and my photography endeavors have been undertaken in the Northern Territory. I've done projects in Melbourne, but I was sort of, I suppose by 2023 starting to, to some of those were sort of reaching the, the point of fruition, whether it be through books or exhibitions. And I really wanted to, to do a project that I felt would help me reconnect with, with my, my birth city. And I didn't, I didn't necessarily see the Yara as being the subject matter at first. You know, I was actually, I was on the, on the train one day riding into the city with my camera and with the intention of sort of, you know, wandering around and taking a few photographs and sitting on the, on the, on the train. I, you know, I couldn't help but notice the river from the window and, and felt compelled to go down, down there and, and that's where it all sort of started. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Interesting. And so with the images that you're, that are being used, that you've created for this particular piece of work. Do you want to talk to us about the style and what people could expect to see? Yeah, sure. [00:08:22] Speaker C: So the photographs are extremely abstract. I suppose when, if you were to say to somebody, I've made a landscape series on the Yarra river, they would not probably envisage these photographs. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Part of. [00:08:42] Speaker C: What'S important in explaining that Is, is that the part of the Yarra that I've actually photographed is, is the inner city Melbourne part. So it's the CBD based stretch. So I'd quite literally get off the train at Flinders street and then walk towards the docks and around the docks. And the photographs have sort of been produced along that part, which is significant because that part of the river is quite industrialized. There's a lot of infrastructural development around it, as I'm sure everybody knows. And, and a lot of the lights, the light at certain times of day when it's, it's bouncing off those, the bridges or the buildings or the glass that's around that area creates the most amazing and unbelievable patterns in the water that are the reflections that I've photographed. And I kind of thought that was just so amazing because when you, when you, when you, you speak to everyone and you, and you sort of explain and describe the part of the river that I've been working with, nearly everybody has a story or a memory about that part of the river. And I suppose to show that river in a way that was like a source of creative inspiration and to it, show it to them in a new way was just something that I thought, yeah, this is, this is, this is definitely worth pursuing. And so iconically, Melbourne, the Yarra river, you know, it just so I really. Yeah. And I can talk a little bit about the conceptual development that went on with the project as well. But as a, as a basic sort of introduction, that's, that's kind of how it all started. [00:10:36] Speaker B: Very cool. [00:10:37] Speaker A: Did you want to pull up a few of the images or anything like that? Just to give us a little taster. [00:10:43] Speaker C: I'd love to show a few photos if that's good, you guys. So I'm just going to share screen. [00:10:57] Speaker B: In case everyone at home is hearing that loud noise. Nicholas is using a brick as a mouse. [00:11:03] Speaker A: Hang on, I'll mute him for a second while he gets his mouth. That was, that was pretty loud. Oh, it was funny, I think. Jim, are you, are you waiting in the background there? Did you want to come in? Jim, are you ready? Are you not ready? He's ready. Let's bring him on. There we go. Hey, what's up? [00:11:24] Speaker D: I'm very low. Hang on. Why am I so low? [00:11:26] Speaker A: You are low. What are you doing down there? Maybe I'm too high though. Look how close my head is to. [00:11:31] Speaker D: The top of the. My arm broke. Not broke. Yeah, it didn't break. The, the camera arm thing hanging off my Last stand. [00:11:44] Speaker A: Oh, I did too. [00:11:45] Speaker D: It was a bit. It's a bit dodgy. I think that cheap one's not so great. [00:11:49] Speaker A: Tony says you're unprofessional. [00:11:51] Speaker B: Yep, it's very accurate. [00:11:53] Speaker A: Well, we lost. We lost Nicholas. [00:11:55] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:11:56] Speaker A: Did I do that? [00:11:59] Speaker D: He's gone from the whole thing. No, he's dropped. [00:12:01] Speaker A: Yes, he just dropped out completely. Oh, we'll. We'll get him on. We'll get him back. [00:12:05] Speaker B: We'll get him back. [00:12:06] Speaker A: Stick with this, guys. [00:12:07] Speaker D: Yeah, I was. I was putting my daughter to bed, Tony. I didn't think it would be professional to do that with her in. Yeah, live. [00:12:17] Speaker B: Live to the world. Yeah, more of it, you know. [00:12:20] Speaker A: Do you have a daughter thing, Greg? Do you have Nicholas's number or anything? [00:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll get in touch with him. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Yeah, just shoot him a text and just say. Or whatever. And just say. Oh, hang on. [00:12:30] Speaker D: He's back. [00:12:31] Speaker A: He's back. [00:12:33] Speaker C: Sorry, guys. [00:12:35] Speaker B: Justin kicked you out. We know. It's just. [00:12:37] Speaker A: No, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. He does national show. [00:12:45] Speaker C: So are you guys able to get the screen to share? [00:12:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. So if you do that and then I do this, you can't have us as the screen. [00:12:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's Inception. [00:12:59] Speaker D: That is awesome. [00:13:00] Speaker A: Screen. Inception. [00:13:02] Speaker D: Screenception. [00:13:04] Speaker A: So you can share a window or a tab and just don't share the whole monitor. Are you running dual monitors? [00:13:16] Speaker C: No, you got one going here. [00:13:18] Speaker A: Hang on. I'll pull that down for a second until we find. So it should have an option to share like a tab. A tab or a window. What are you going to use to pull the photos up? [00:13:32] Speaker C: I was just going to use a window, but a tab would be fine. Does that mean that I have to stop screen? [00:13:41] Speaker A: No, no, no. Maybe I might have to bring it back up again. Just while you're doing that. There's a question here for Greg from Tony. Thanks for the 299, Tony. It says, Greg. Should I get a 9070 or a 5070? [00:14:00] Speaker B: Go. The 5070, I think. I think Nvidia is doing a better job at the moment. [00:14:06] Speaker A: I'm glad you know what he's talking about. Is that a graphics card? [00:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:10] Speaker A: Do you know what he needs it for? [00:14:12] Speaker B: Porn, I assume. [00:14:14] Speaker A: No, he's building one of those. What is happening here with this? There we go. He's building one of those sim racing things, you know, like the race car, like with three, four screens and all the. [00:14:28] Speaker B: Oh, then Tony, you need to go to. Go to the Gamesmen.com. they're in Brisbane, I think, or New South Wales. Northern New South Wales. And they just put out a newsletter, like their weekly sales email with a whole bunch of racing sim stuff like top end, you know, like F1 racing wheels and gear shifters and all that stuff. So go to the gamesmen.com. they're in Brisbane. They're a really good mob. Anyway, I know other stuff. [00:14:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:14:59] Speaker B: All right. Sorry, Nicholas, we're talking about you. Sorry. [00:15:02] Speaker A: Back to photography. All right, so we've got that up. So, yeah, you should be able to just navigate through and enlarge whatever and show us. [00:15:11] Speaker C: Yeah, sure. So I've got some of the photographs that I've produced here going. I'm sort of just rolling through them on the screen with the exhibition. Some of these photographs have been printed as fabrics. As you may have noticed the background when I was speaking before. That's actually one of the fabric prints and some of them have been printed as photographs. Obviously it's depended a little bit on. [00:15:42] Speaker A: The. [00:15:45] Speaker C: On the style of the image as to which was determined to be a fabric print and which one was determined to be a photographic print. But this, the photographs certainly here should, should give a little bit of an indication, I suppose, about what I meant. [00:16:01] Speaker A: By. [00:16:04] Speaker C: There being abstract in their nature. So they, they sort of suggest different form. They're quite provocative with the color and the, and the pattern and the texture. But what I really love about them is that they're, they're so open to interpretation. And, and I think that for me, that was sort of the, the real, the real draw card and what, what drew me back to the river over so many months and, and, and years to, to put this series together. I just, Yeah, I, I loved, I love that people would look at a lot of these photo photographs and they would, you know, they would say, oh, I could. I can see this and I can see, I can see that. [00:16:57] Speaker A: I can see a face. [00:16:59] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly, exactly that. That's it. [00:17:02] Speaker B: So Nicholas, what, what's the quality like? I've, I've never really sort of looked into or spok. Printed on. On fabric before. What sort of fabric is it? And what's the, what's the quality like in terms of the, you know, the detail and the richness? [00:17:16] Speaker C: Yeah, so the, the, the fabric was a new experience for me as well. Great printing with the printing on fabric. I was really. I had to do a number of trial prints. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:29] Speaker C: First off, and I did find that the, that the lighter types of prints, the photographs, as you would have seen through some of the photos that I sort of rolled through there. There are some quite dark images and they really do need the gradation in the black tone toning. It's quite important. The fabric wasn't quite so successful in reproducing that. But what really drew me to the fabric was the notion that it can, as a surface that hangs on a wall, it actually moves and sort of shimmers, I guess, in the way that the surface of the water does. So for me it felt like a very appropriate medium. I mean, the work's obviously very experimental as well. And part of what I really hope to do with this project was to extend myself a little bit in terms of thinking outside the box with, you know, innovative sort of presentational methods. So, so that sort of became a part of that as well. [00:18:34] Speaker B: I think it's a clever pairing, like you said, you know, you get the flow of, of water and you can get. Fabric sort of has that same sort of rippling effect to it sometimes. So I think it's a really clever pairing of, of, of the two. And so how many. Oh God, Justin. [00:18:51] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. Maybe we're going to say the same thing. I was going to say how many pieces in total in the exhibition. [00:18:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I was going to say that too. [00:18:59] Speaker C: There's 17 pieces in the exhibition and then there's a book as well that's got a few more. So I really had to cut down, I mean, I took tens of thousands of photos over a two year period. And as you can imagine, I mean, because you're trying to sort of freeze something that's in perpetual motion, you know, a lot of the time you sort of, you're not hitting that focus point and sometimes. Well, it's really what I found most. One of the things I found most rewarding about the project is you would be drawn to a particular area where you felt, gee, like the lights, the lights really interesting there or there's an interesting color and what you're seeing in the, you know, in the images when you're looking through the camera, it's like it's, it's slightly but significantly different to what the eye can register. So sometimes I was shooting things not knowing what it was that I was photographing, but for me that was, that was just. Yes, such. I mean, yeah, that, that word play, I suppose. You know, it, it sounds like I'm a bit of a contradiction because when you're talking about exhibitions and books and projects reaching completion, that doesn't sound like Play. But in those early months where I was still working through the ideas in the project, it was very much just about having, having fun and going, wow, this is, you know, I'm seeing in a new way. And I'm. Yeah, what I'm to do with this work is to encourage other people with this part of the river, which is often considered to be, you know, very polluted and muddy and you know, artificial is to encourage, is to encourage people to see it in a, in a new light. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Yep. [00:20:48] Speaker A: Did you, did it. How did you like photographic process evolve over the two and a half years in just in terms of technically, did you start to hone in on particular focal lengths that you like to use? Did you change like filter use? Did you use filters? No filters. Like, did anything evolve through the process? [00:21:11] Speaker C: Definitely, Justin. Yeah, definitely. I mean I, I kind of am always drawn to like the ambiguity, the ambiguities of photographs. So I'm not off put shooting something at like a 60th of a second, even though, you know you're going to get a little bit of motion in that, you know, only that, that doesn't, that doesn't bother me. When I started doing this work more rigorously, I started to realize it really helps to have a lot of light. So I was sort of started to pick the days that I was shooting to try and coincide with, you know, an abundance of daylight, but also really increasing the shutter speed so that I could be shooting at a maximum, at the maximum speed which I think on my Sony A, A3 is 8,000th of a second. And also allowing there to be sort of, you know, a good aperture range in that. I mean most of the apertures are sort of quite, quite wide. Maybe five, six. If I could get conditions that would allow me to shoot at 8,000th of a second at a, at an F8, that would be. Yeah, that would be ideal because you're getting that depth. [00:22:28] Speaker A: That depth. [00:22:29] Speaker C: You know, a shot where the focus is, is sort of quite well dispersed throughout. Yeah, the image. Yeah, very interesting. [00:22:40] Speaker B: I can see why you would need so much daylight because you really choking the, the intake of light there, aren't you? [00:22:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:47] Speaker B: To optimize that, that field of focus as well as the freezing time. Yeah. [00:22:53] Speaker C: But it's funny too because a lot of the, A lot of the photographs were sort of shot under bridges and that's sort of interesting as well. So the daylight would be spilling through and then you could sort of control. It felt like you sort of had control of a certain area and it as you could probably even imagine, Justin, when you spoke about doing landscapes in New Zealand. Sometimes landscape photography can be completely overwhelming. The expanse of the environment and going, as the photographer going, well, you know, I can see these beautiful mountains and I can see this picturesque landscape, but what exactly am I going to focus on? And I think, for me, I love photography for the reason that, you know, you can start with something big and you can kind of hone in and refine what it is that you're looking for. [00:23:39] Speaker D: And. [00:23:41] Speaker C: And I think, you know, a lot of this, the process was very much about that. [00:23:48] Speaker A: I love it. It's definitely a completely different way of looking at, like you say. [00:23:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:53] Speaker A: At Melbourne, looking at the Yarra, exploring, I guess, your home city in a way that you. Yeah, I don't know if I've seen work like that before. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Yep, yep. Hats off to you once again, Nicholas. You know, you. I popped into your last exhibition at Bagnet Gallery at Docklands. That's where it was, wasn't it? [00:24:16] Speaker C: It was, yeah. [00:24:18] Speaker B: Yeah. And really captivating, you know, big pieces. And. And there were some. Some pieces that were. What's the word I'm looking for, sort of, you know, that contemporary kind of obscure kind of reference and so. But when it was in the. In the. In place with all of, like, the portraits and the group shots of the. Of the family from the. It was the Tiwi Islands. [00:24:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:42] Speaker C: Correct. Yeah, yeah. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Family group from the Tiwi Islands. You know, it really sort of just helped to bring that whole story and land together in the exhibition. There's a question here from Lisa Leach. She said she's been contemplating printing monochrome on linen. What fabric did you choose? [00:25:02] Speaker C: Yeah, so the prints that I've done for the show are a crepe fabric, which means that they've got a little bit of texture. The fabric has a little bit of texture. One of the things that is really paramount when choosing a fabric is like the opacity of the fabric. How. How well does the print hold on the fabric? And there. There are some. I saw some really beautiful examples of photographers who have used. Who have printed on really transparent fabric. So the print, you know, you can. The light will come through the back of it, which creates really interesting opportunities. Like, if you were to hang two prints behind one another, they sort of would. Would, Would merge. But me, I wanted. I wanted a little bit more opacity than that. I felt like the really transparent fabrics, the image got lost. The colors of these images are quite important, so I wanted. I wanted them to be preserved and I wanted the bold, you know, the boldness of them to really come through in the print. I really think monochrome prints, is that. Was that the word that was used mono? [00:26:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Printing, monochrome. [00:26:18] Speaker C: I think that would work superbly well. Yeah. One of the things that I found through the, the fabric printing process was that the, in some ways, the simpler the image, the clearer the contours, the more successful the result was. [00:26:36] Speaker B: And did you have to find a specialist printer who could actually facilitate this? How did you come, how did you land in that position? [00:26:45] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. So that was something that I, I'd never done anything in that field. I think I might have said that at the start of the podcast before. So. So I went to a place I'm happy to give them a shout out in Next State Prince in Thornbury. They. And they did a terrific job. The first thing they did is they gave me, they showed me, I think about 60 different types of fabrics. And that was, that was overwhelming. And then, and as you could imagine, sort of very subtle, subtle differences sometimes between them. And then from there we created little. They called them swatch samples where a part of my image would be produced on the different fabric type. So in some cases I used the same image and had it produced on different types of fabric. [00:27:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:43] Speaker C: And then I nailed it down to three or four that I liked. And then I guess my decision was sort of based on what I said before, the ability of the fabric to hold the opacity of the print. But that was also informed by the context, which is that it's going into a gallery space and it's going to have a white wall behind it. So if you were going to hang them, you know, from a ceiling, or you were going to look at a different presentational method, then, you know, you may, you may make a different choice. [00:28:16] Speaker B: Yeah, there's so much involved, isn't there? Especially when there's a little bit of transparency, even, you know, the form that might be behind it, whether it's a wall or a corner or a window, that all changes how that print looks. You know, it's almost. It's a multi dimensional kind of look at it, really. [00:28:36] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. But that, that was sort of what, you know, in that way I felt that the, that the printing process kind of reflected the conceptual aspect of what I was doing with the photography anyway. So it was sort of a way of extending that. [00:28:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:54] Speaker C: That tension between surface and depth. [00:28:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:59] Speaker C: You know, so I, I found it really, really rewarding. [00:29:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I bet. Well, well played. You Know, I think you've, you've chosen a really great medium for that. Just syncs up harmoniously with the, with the style of images that you're capturing. I think there's a, there's a lot to be said there for your, for your choices. And I think I, I think you've made some great choices. I think that, you know, it sounds like a wonderful way to, to. And also, you know, given that the theme is water, seeing that fabric, that your images on fabric must be amazing. So let me just recap for everybody before we let Nicholas get on with his evening. So the Yarrow Yarrow Reflections on the River. I've put the link in the chat already, so whether you're watching this on Facebook or YouTube or we'll put it. [00:29:47] Speaker A: In the description too, as well because the channel disappear later. So if you're listening back later on, we'll throw it in the description, YouTube and on Spotify and all that stuff. [00:29:56] Speaker B: So Yarrow Yarrow Reflections on the River. It is at the Blender Studios, which is in West Melbourne, Victoria, on Thursday 11th September, from 6pm to 7:30 is the opening evening. But the festival itself runs from the 6th to the 28th of September. And there's, there's, there's quite a bit to look at. So if you, if you're interested, learning a little bit about the history and culture around the Yarra river, there's plenty there. There's lots happening. But yeah. Nicholas, thank you so much for jumping on and sharing this great news with us once again. Wonderful to catch up with you and see that you're just as productive as you were the last time we spoke. And you're continuing to look for new and unique ways to tell stories. And I think that's, you know, full credit to you that, you know, you're taking paths that are not often traveled and often that's when we meet the most resistance or find ourselves in the most trouble. But, you know, full credit to your grace in doing so. But we wish you all the very best with the opening and. And you said there's a book that's also coming along as part of it. [00:31:02] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. So if I could just very quickly indulge in. So I've made this, this book which is, I suppose, similarly in a way radical as the. This is a book without a out of spine. So it opens up like this. This is a little piece of writing that I've done to explain the project and what it is. And the book actually sits in this fabric. So the Pages are folded in a way but they, they sort of relate to each other. This is the piece of elastic that runs down the middle, binds it together. Book is a. What I've done here. This photo here was, was made on the first day that day when I told you I was sitting on the train looking out the window or the Yara and the light was not particularly good that day but I made this photo and the photo to me it reminded me of a Bunyan and abroad. [00:32:09] Speaker B: Gosh, that takes me back. [00:32:12] Speaker C: Well, they've had that effect on me, Greg, because when I spoke about project as being to try and reconnect with my birth city, I mean my favorite childhood book book was the Bunyip of Berkeley's Creek. So. And the COVID actually opens out so it contains all, you can see all the images that in the pages and underneath each image is the longitude and latitude coordinates. I mean we're speaking about AI and technology a little bit before. Well, I got the GPS coordinates that were recorded when I made each of these photos. [00:32:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:50] Speaker C: And used as a caption so people can put those coordinates into Google Maps and you can get a photo of the exact location where I made the. The image. So if people. [00:33:01] Speaker B: That's amazing. [00:33:03] Speaker A: That's a great idea. [00:33:04] Speaker B: That's so clever. That's so clever, Nick. Well done. And the, the. The book will also be available. [00:33:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So yeah, it's a limited edition book. I've made a. I'm Gonna, I've got 100 of them produced so they're all signed editions and it will be available over the course of the exhibition for sale. So yeah, so that it's just a. Something special to take away and yeah, just, just offers a new entry point I think into the work. [00:33:37] Speaker B: So yeah, really creative and clever. Well done. [00:33:41] Speaker C: Well, once again, Amy, I really appreciated the opportunity to talk last time and. Yeah. And tonight again it's just, it's. It's such a privilege to be able to. Yeah. Talk about photography with people that, that love to talk about it. Yeah, it's. It's incredible. So thanks and thank you. [00:33:58] Speaker B: No, thank you. Thank you for, for thinking of us to share that with us and yeah, I hope to be able to make it down to your opening night. So I'll catch up with you then. [00:34:07] Speaker C: Yeah, that'll be fantastic. Well, look forward to seeing you and anyone else that would be interested in coming. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Yeah. So once again everyone, the, the link to the event page where you can actually book an rs you can, you can reply and let's let the Event organizers know that you're coming. That'll go in the show notes and the description below. But once again, Nicholas, great to see you. Thanks for dropping back in. And look, we wish you all the very best with the exhibition and with whatever comes along your way next. We have no doubt that it'll be creative and colorful. So, yeah, all the best. [00:34:40] Speaker C: Thanks so much, guys. [00:34:41] Speaker A: Have a great evening. [00:34:42] Speaker D: Thanks. [00:34:44] Speaker B: See you, mate. [00:34:45] Speaker C: Like. [00:34:48] Speaker B: There you go. [00:34:49] Speaker A: I can't believe he's got another exhibition already. That makes. Just makes me feel lazy. [00:34:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Although granted, the first one took him a decade, but, you know, we'll let that slide. Yeah, made up for it. But yeah, really fascinating approach to something that we all just walk past, you know. Well, you guys don't because you. No, no, you don't. [00:35:15] Speaker D: But, you know, we can do one of the Bendigo Creek. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Hey, thanks, Dennis. Dennis, what's the. [00:35:21] Speaker B: No, not the creek. We walked over it last time I was there. The canals. [00:35:26] Speaker D: Is that the creek? That's the creek, yeah. It only flows when it's raining and smells terrible. [00:35:33] Speaker A: Dennis says. Dennis, School of light. Dennis says, Justin, you look way cooler, smarter and wiser. Must be the Kiwi air. I mean, maybe. I don't know. Gamora is pretty cool. Wise and smart. He also says, oh, and my GFX 1/ hundreds review is nearly done. Fuji geeks. [00:35:54] Speaker B: He said it before I did. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. [00:35:56] Speaker D: Hey, I was laughing the other day, Greg, because on Thursday it took him an hour and 42 minutes to say Fuji. [00:36:04] Speaker B: I was very well behaved, Jim. [00:36:06] Speaker D: You were. [00:36:07] Speaker B: I was being respectful of our guest and his poor choices for camera gear. [00:36:13] Speaker D: You know, and yeah, it seems to be working out okay for him. [00:36:19] Speaker A: He's doing a good job. [00:36:19] Speaker D: He's just using canning gear. He's doing okay. [00:36:22] Speaker B: Yeah, he doesn't have to pay for it. I mean, anyone could take photos. It's a free camera. I shouldn't be saying that. [00:36:28] Speaker A: That's terrible. [00:36:29] Speaker B: Sorry, Jeff. I'm joking. You are a master. [00:36:33] Speaker A: Speaking of Jeff. Oh, we should. Okay, let's move to. Let's move to the. We better get the show rolling. Yeah, let's move to the comments. Viewer comments. Because otherwise, comments from Jeff's episode. [00:36:44] Speaker D: Because we've been on time, Justin, and you're back. I know, but suddenly you guys are late. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Music worked. And guess what else we've got back didn't last week. Oh, no. Dang it. [00:37:02] Speaker D: We're back on track. [00:37:04] Speaker A: Dennis is out. Catch you soon. We'll see you on the replay. Dennis, viewer comments, because we've got some comments. Let me bring my screen up. [00:37:13] Speaker D: We won't see him. He'll see us. [00:37:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll see him. I can see through YouTube studio. I can see people while they watch. That's how it works. [00:37:22] Speaker B: That's very distressing. [00:37:23] Speaker A: Creepy. [00:37:25] Speaker B: I need to rethink my watching habits. [00:37:27] Speaker A: Let's start at the top here. Paul says great show guys. This is on the Jeff Cable episode. So Jeff Cable on Thursday's show. If you haven't listened to it, make sure you make sure you listen to it because it was great and it was a dream interview that I challenged Greg to track Jeff down and Greg did it which is quite amazing. And Jeff was wonderful with his time. He didn't rush us and he answered all of my silly questions. We nerded out on Canon gear and. [00:37:55] Speaker B: Such a character too. [00:37:56] Speaker A: He's a character, isn't he? [00:38:00] Speaker D: For another two hours. [00:38:02] Speaker A: You could do a second part to that straight away. Yeah, yeah. So shot eight Olympic games and we, we did talk quite a bit about his Olympics but it was, it was really fun to dig into everything else that he does. The business that he runs, the tours that he runs. Yeah like he's an event shooter. Yeah he's. He's done a lot and later in life I'm guessing he was. We're not 100 sure. I didn't want to ask him how old he was. He looks great however old he is. But sometime in his 40s left a very successful full time career as the marketing a marketing. I'm pretty sure it was with Lexar at the time. If not it was maybe with the next company that he was with but he was the marketing director for Lexar. That's Lexar as in the company whose cards we all have used and hard drives and all the other stuff that they make. So as the marketing director for that he left to build his own photography business and shoot the US Olympic team. [00:39:01] Speaker B: So smashed it like just didn't just start a business like just I mean I'm sure that it wasn't all roses and I'm sure that there was some scary moments for him but having spoken to him there's just that confidence of you know I'm going to make this work, it has to work. I got to make it work. [00:39:16] Speaker A: You know and, and still blogs and his blog gets massive readership. So if you want something interesting go check out his blog. You can subscribe to it and he'll like email you the new articles and stuff. Stuff. But everyone's given up on blogging in the photography world except Jeff Cable and Greg and us and, and us and, and his is actually working great. So. [00:39:39] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:39:39] Speaker B: Oh yeah, yeah, I heard it. Thanks. [00:39:43] Speaker A: That. Wow. Okay. [00:39:44] Speaker B: Anyways, blood, sweat and tears for nothing. [00:39:47] Speaker A: Onto the comments. Paul says, great show guys. Very disappointed to miss the live stream but great to hear from Jeff and his fascinating camera life. Yes, that was, that was a good pun. I like it. Or whatever. Yeah, yes, that's work getting in the way again. And no, Greg, I can't feign illness. Yeah, you can. [00:40:05] Speaker B: Paula Sicky tips on how to get away with it. But you know. [00:40:09] Speaker A: And Tim Siama says great insightful interview as always, fellas. Yeah, I think our questions were our questions. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Well, you know what? And he actually said I think we did because you know, we don't toot our own horn often, but to get a big person like that in who's been interviewed, if you look at his YouTube channel, there's just interviews, interviews, interviews. But a couple of times he said, oh, no one's ever asked me that question or no one's ever asked me a question that way. So you know, I think, I think we're onto something. [00:40:36] Speaker A: We are, we're great. [00:40:38] Speaker D: We should start a podcast or something. [00:40:40] Speaker A: We should. [00:40:40] Speaker B: And blog. [00:40:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Dennis, School of Light says Mr. Live Actual Work happened. Work again. But looking forward to this look, Dennis is at 8,999 subscribers. Basically, let's just call it if you're not subscribed to the School of Light, just go there now and do that. Actually don't go there now, go there after the show and do that. Don't leave us. [00:41:07] Speaker B: And then call your mum and ask her to subscribe to our channel, please. Yeah, we just need people. No, we don't really. [00:41:14] Speaker A: All right, more comments going back to last week's random show featuring Samantha olson. Andrew Connor Dash 4W says good episode, nice interview. Okay. Book just ordered. That's awesome. Hey, I feel like nice interview. Could we could level that up to like amazing interview. But anyway, because can't be chooses. [00:41:36] Speaker B: But Sam, it was a good episode. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Sam says thanks Andrew, hope you love it. We value your feedback. And also we've got Russell Charters commenting. I got Samantha's book in the last week or so. Amazing, amazing reference reading. Checking out Spot along the Great Ocean Road. It's a huge book. Well done, Sam. Yeah. [00:41:53] Speaker B: What? [00:41:53] Speaker A: How many pages was it? [00:41:55] Speaker B: Several million? [00:41:56] Speaker A: Yeah, massive. [00:41:58] Speaker B: Like it's one handed. I'm very weak. I'm a very weak city boy. But there's book. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Greg if you lift that book 20 times a day, you'll be jacked. [00:42:08] Speaker B: I know. You need these at your CrossFit place. Look at it. [00:42:15] Speaker A: That is. That's bigger than when she said it was bigger, but that's bigger than I expected. [00:42:20] Speaker B: No, no, this is trimmed down. So the first run that she had done, I think it was twice as thick as the paper stock that they. The. The printer chose was. [00:42:30] Speaker A: Can you hold it on? Yeah. Next to your head. Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Something that's a standard size. IPhone. Such as. It's. [00:42:39] Speaker A: It's just for it. Just quickly. Can everyone just hold that up again? Greg, that phone. Just hold it up. Just hold that phone up. He doesn't use a case. [00:42:49] Speaker B: No, I don't. [00:42:50] Speaker A: Just. Everyone just. Just soak that in. He just rolls caseless. [00:42:55] Speaker B: But while we're talking about Sam's book. [00:42:57] Speaker D: You did that for how many days, Justin? [00:42:59] Speaker A: I was like, iPhones are not meant to be used with cases. The design. They've worked on it for years. I'm not using case anymore. Smashed it the next day. [00:43:09] Speaker D: She was so sad. [00:43:11] Speaker B: All I've got is. All I've got is a glass screen thingy. But I don't need a case. The case makes it too bulky. It doesn't slip nicely into your pocket. Yeah, but like the idea. Hello, Greg, Camera Life podcast. That's how I answer the phone. Anyway. [00:43:29] Speaker A: All right, more comments. What else we got? [00:43:34] Speaker D: The only question I wanted to ask Sam, which you didn't get to ask, was I wanted to know how does she like. Is she driving a truck around Australia with her tour to carry all those books? [00:43:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Small forklift all around. Yeah. Slow. [00:43:48] Speaker D: It's sort of semi. Just following it along. [00:43:52] Speaker B: Well, she was telling us that when they were being delivered. Was it her dad told her or someone told her that she can't keep them in her house because they were so big and heavy. The floor would fall through. [00:44:02] Speaker D: Yeah. Or the gas, I think as well. [00:44:04] Speaker B: Something somewhere like the floor wasn't. [00:44:07] Speaker D: He did the. Did the math on the. How heavy the books were and it was. [00:44:10] Speaker B: Yeah. And the floor wasn't rated for it. That's how. That's how heavy. But Roy Bixby's jumped in with a classic comment. I miss the huge coffee tables book. [00:44:21] Speaker A: So do I. Yeah, me too. Photography books are great. I need to buy some more. I'm going to bring. I'm going to bring all my photography books to be for our. Because we got a cool little airbnb. You still coming up, Jim? [00:44:36] Speaker D: I think so. What's the plan. [00:44:37] Speaker A: Oh, that's not as confident as I'd hoped. [00:44:40] Speaker B: Every time just gets a little softer. [00:44:43] Speaker A: I'm gonna try and extend our accommodation to the Wednesday. Oh, okay. [00:44:49] Speaker D: All right. [00:44:50] Speaker A: So we could rock and cruise over on the Wednesday and like. I don't. Yeah, that. That's the plan. [00:44:56] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:44:57] Speaker A: I don't know if they. Let's see if they replied to me. This will make for good podcasting. Do you guys want to watch me check our accommodation booking? [00:45:06] Speaker B: I'm going to jump into some comments while you do that, Gareth. Cases for phones are the equivalent of lucky straps for cameras. [00:45:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Mandatory. [00:45:14] Speaker D: And Greg only use a wrist strap, so that. That might explain the. What the wrist strap is like the. The. No case of. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Maybe. Look, I just. I just don't need to bulk it up. It's nice and small and it's. [00:45:30] Speaker A: I agree. I just. It. I. As Jim told him, I was like. I proclaimed. I'm like, I'm no longer using cases. We weren't. [00:45:37] Speaker B: We. [00:45:37] Speaker A: This is not how humans were meant to iPhone. [00:45:40] Speaker B: My partner, she always gets the. The pro Max. Like, so the big. The big one. Yeah. The bigger version. [00:45:46] Speaker A: That's what I've got. [00:45:47] Speaker B: And she has to get one of those. What's that brand? Caseify. They do some really chunky cases and they've got a little window for the. For the lenses. Because she'll be asleep. Because. So she falls asleep scrolling social media. It's just the way she shuts off. And sometimes I'll. I'll catch her scrolling in her sleep. But every now and then the phone would just. Would just be propelled across the room some. For some reason. She'll just. And I'll hit. And the thud it makes. [00:46:13] Speaker A: Does it ever hit you just like launched into you? [00:46:15] Speaker B: I. I have had it dropped on my head once. Yeah. [00:46:18] Speaker D: Is that. Is that the reason for the house Renault, Greg. Just to patch up the walls from all. [00:46:23] Speaker B: It's just perfect. Like wedges into the little slots. Yeah, Little slots everywhere. [00:46:28] Speaker A: I'm guessing she buys Apple Care. You know the. [00:46:33] Speaker B: She just spends a lot of money on cases. [00:46:35] Speaker A: Oh, John Pickett. John Pickett says we are at beef up Wednesday to Wednesday, taking a full week. Oh, nice. Well, that's very. Could probably end up drinking a lot of beer. Me too. Me too. And we're bringing. I'm bringing. I'm bringing us a lot of steaks. We're gonna have steaks everywhere. Just. The house will be full of steaks. Barbecue. [00:46:55] Speaker D: Well, now I'm a bit more excited. [00:46:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:57] Speaker B: Now Jim's coming. We're a family of eight here in South Yarra, right? And so I can't buy steaks because everyone wants one. And so I can't afford eight good quality steaks. It's just too much money. So Justin's bringing steak. It's got to be like my annual meat fest. [00:47:17] Speaker A: Yes, it will. It will be a meat fest you. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Can turn into a meat festival. [00:47:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:47:24] Speaker D: Someone's gonna clip that, Greg. [00:47:27] Speaker B: Probably my son. [00:47:29] Speaker A: There's no way to. So Yelena's asked in the chat, she's probably not there anymore. She's probably gone to bed. Yelena asked in the chat before, when do you launch memberships? All right, so. [00:47:38] Speaker B: No, she's still there. She said, jim loves a feed. [00:47:41] Speaker A: Oh, did she? Oh, yeah. Cool. Jim loves her feed. Yeah. So Yelena said, when do you launch memberships? So today I actually launched memberships on this YouTube channel. Memberships are like a thing that, I don't know, you guys may not have seen them, but some channels have them where you can, like, pay a recurring monthly fee. Now, if you do decide to do that for us, we'd love it. It's amazing. Supports the show, but you don't have to. The main reason I was prompted, it was something that was on my mind, but I was like, I will do this in a year or two when you know, you know, better at our jobs of podcasting. But YouTube hassled me and said, if you launch a membership program before September 5th or something like that, that they'll actually give us money. Oh, like YouTube will. So I was like, fine, we'll do it then. So. But I don't know how to bring up. Let me see if I can find the. To show you what they are, because I thought they were funny and fun and there's actually a quite a good. A good perk on one of them and two of them, actually. Where are we? How do I get to our channel? How do I get to our own channel? [00:48:56] Speaker B: Nothing but professionals here, folks. [00:48:59] Speaker D: Just while we're waiting for Justin to work out the Internet, Paul Henderson said, greg, just buy one good steak for you and seven cheap and nasty for the rest of the family. When asked, they are all from the same butcher. [00:49:11] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll blame the butcher. [00:49:12] Speaker A: And then make sure you mark your like. Don't let someone else cook them. And make sure yours is well marked. Don't accidentally. [00:49:18] Speaker B: I know mine will be the marbled wagyu. So, yeah, yeah, you can pick mine a mile away. It'll be that thick because the size of Sam's book, it's been that long since I've had good steak. [00:49:29] Speaker A: There's no way for me to see our membership things. This is crazy. Can one of you bring up. Because I'm in our YouTube channel, so can one of you bring up our YouTube channel, but from your YouTube? [00:49:46] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:49:48] Speaker B: Oh, look, it's us. [00:49:49] Speaker A: I don't. Oh, maybe they're not even live yet. [00:49:53] Speaker D: Join. [00:49:54] Speaker B: It's. [00:49:55] Speaker D: Join this channel. Yeah, I got this. [00:49:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Share. Share it on the. Pull it up. Pull it up. Fingers. What is he called? [00:50:03] Speaker B: Fingers. [00:50:03] Speaker A: I don't want to know. But why? It's an Internet joke. [00:50:09] Speaker D: What do I want to do? I want to. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Philip Johnson says, hope memberships are in aud. Exchange rates are a killer. Yes, they are in aud. So if you're in the us you'll be able to sign up to the best membership. Probably cost you 50 cents. [00:50:23] Speaker D: All right, here we go. [00:50:24] Speaker A: So you left us. Zoom in. Double tap. [00:50:27] Speaker D: I don't know. I don't like that thing, Justin. I. Turn it off. [00:50:30] Speaker A: Okay. Shorten your window. Your window's too long. Let's just drag the bottom up. There you go. You sure you can't zoom in? We can't. [00:50:41] Speaker D: I turned off the double thing. [00:50:43] Speaker A: I can kind of read it. So basically, the lowest one is keeping the lights on. And that's 2.99amonth. [00:50:49] Speaker D: And that is AUD. [00:50:52] Speaker A: $2.99. And for that, you'll get a loyalty badge and the ability to use a Greg, Justin or Jim emoji. And an emoji. An emoji I made for a mega pickle. Who's holding a camera? [00:51:08] Speaker D: Yolanda saying command plus. [00:51:14] Speaker A: She's a genius. Command plus. There you go. All right. Okay. [00:51:19] Speaker C: And then. [00:51:19] Speaker A: So the next tier is the Send Greg to Japan tier. [00:51:24] Speaker B: Hey, I like that tier. [00:51:25] Speaker A: It's 8.99amonth. If you click on that, Jim, it should tell us what. What additional perks you get. Oh, yeah. Okay, so you get all the. The original perks, plus live chat priority. Well, we pull up pretty much everyone's comments anyway, so that I don't know if that counts. You get 20% off lucky camera straps and merch and stuff instead of the usual codes and priority reply to comments. Well, that I don't know. We'll try and reply to everybody, but we might not. So no promises. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:51:54] Speaker A: And then. Oh, sorry, go on, Jim. [00:51:56] Speaker D: I was going to say, if someone wanted to save bulk coin, they could become a member, then buy all their camera straps and they'd be in front. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And then just. And then cancel their membership. [00:52:08] Speaker D: Never cancel straight after it. Pretend. [00:52:10] Speaker A: I mean, forget you guys. Do you do whatever you want? It's just as I said. YouTube is. I'll see if it's a scam, but YouTube said they would give us money if we set this up. Obviously they must be making a lot of money out of memberships or something. But I was like, all right, we'll do it anyway. So this one I thought was fun. This is the Mega Pickle Club. I don't expect anyone to do this, but we are going to go over Jim's website later on today. And Jim and I love reviewing websites. Elaine is an absolute wizard at customer workflows. I'm somewhat experienced when it comes to getting people to interface with your business online to purchase whatever service it is that you provide. And Greg is quite the way with words when it comes to online writing. So I decided that for a ridiculously low fee of 59.99amonth, you could have a 30 minute coaching call with me and I'll rope some of these other muppets into it as well. Depending on what you need for, probably help with your website. Photography website. But it could be anything, whatever you want. Just chat about your day and. [00:53:21] Speaker B: Yeah, and by the way, people, this is the first time I'm hearing about this new employment service that I've been roped in for. [00:53:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I figured it out. So. So if it's 59.99amonth, YouTube will probably take some sort of cut from that. If me and Jim and Greg and Yelena are on a 30 minute coaching call, we should make four or five dollars each. [00:53:42] Speaker D: At least. [00:53:43] Speaker B: Money for jam. [00:53:45] Speaker D: Rick Nelson has made a Good point, Justin. 25 off becomes 20 in the. [00:53:51] Speaker A: Okay, okay, I'll fix that. I. I did. It's a trick. So Justin. [00:54:00] Speaker D: Justin's great with websites. Proofreading is his specialty. [00:54:03] Speaker A: So it is not. I am. I am not about the details. I'm about the general vibe. How does it all work? Greg's the one that. And Yelena, they spell check things. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:18] Speaker A: Anyway, so they're there, but certainly don't feel like you need to get involved. But if you do want to get involved, that'd be wonderful. But it's not. That's not what this channel's for. [00:54:27] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just there. [00:54:29] Speaker D: Shouldn't the Mega Pickle only be for the people that are paying? Mega Pickle? [00:54:33] Speaker A: No, it's not how it works. You sort of. If you want if the emojis go, always go in the first one. That's how they. Okay. And the badges and stuff. So the different badges you get depending on how long you've been a member for. Okay. [00:54:45] Speaker D: Oh, those are. [00:54:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I made those badges. They're custom. [00:54:49] Speaker D: Did you make them in Canva? [00:54:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I did. You guys are geniuses. [00:54:56] Speaker D: Justin skipped learning how to make anything in photoshop class on YouTube and just went straight to Canva. And look it. It is probably easier. [00:55:05] Speaker A: So it's much easier for fast graphics. I'm sure it's not very good for anything else. Nev. Clark says, I'd be happy to support you guys because I reckon being on the podcast twice, probably maybe about 10 grand worth of business, to be honest. Okay, can we have half of that? [00:55:23] Speaker D: Can we. [00:55:24] Speaker A: Can we just. [00:55:26] Speaker D: We need to put that like a testimonial. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You should just record him saying it and then we'll. We'll play it at the start of every episode. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Gosh, this is going to long. You're going to be a long episode. 30 Minute Canva Master Class for Mega pickles. Anything you. Anything you want. If there's something that I can help you with for 30 minutes, I'll do it. You just. You just tell me. [00:55:50] Speaker B: If you want to learn how to raise a family of eight on a shoestring budget and still not get called into, you know, child protection, 30 minutes is all it will take you. [00:56:00] Speaker A: If you're struggling to get through a particular level on a particular game on your new Switch 2, Greg can get you 30 minutes. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Yeah, 30 minutes. All I need. [00:56:11] Speaker A: All right, let's. Let's pull you down, Jimbo. So yeah, there's that. We did that today. We did, but where were we? We were pulling up, pulling up comments. This show is going to be so long. I don't know if we'll look at my New Zealand stuff tonight. Maybe some. We're gonna look at Jim's website, but. [00:56:33] Speaker D: It'S in the thing. [00:56:34] Speaker B: I feel like you're hiding. Why are you hiding from it, Justin? Just embrace it. [00:56:39] Speaker D: Is it. Because it's so. It's probably extensive, Greg. It's not his 12. It's probably more than 12 images. [00:56:46] Speaker A: David Leporati said. Thanks team for another great chat. Jeff is very inspiring. Sheds too much information and knowledge. Greg chromie9939. I don't know who that is. Says, thanks, David. Yeah, he was super generous and has amazing insight and he takes cracking shots. So much talent in one man. [00:57:03] Speaker B: I don't Know how far. [00:57:04] Speaker A: Did you guys do any comments while I was away? [00:57:06] Speaker B: No. [00:57:06] Speaker A: Okay. So I gotta go away. Okay. [00:57:08] Speaker D: No, I know. Yeah, we didn't. We just written comments on the chat. [00:57:13] Speaker A: On the Curtis Graham episode. Motorsport photographer and race car driver scepter 1067 says at 31 minutes in, hit the civic question and LOL. But also a Civic driver and. Yeah, just a fun little car. [00:57:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:31] Speaker A: Oh, my old YouTube review of the RF wide angle lenses on the R5 Mark II. It's not that old actually where I reviewed the 14 to 30. Let's say 14 to 34. [00:57:45] Speaker D: There's a reason why that. That's the reason why this video is not doing as well. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Okay. I compared the F4 to the 2.8 to the 16 mil 2.8. And this was before another new wide angle come out. Anyway. Barry Longstuff. That's a great name. Barry Longstuff 5849 says excellent review. Thank you very much. Thank you, Barry. I'll reply to that later. Samantha Olson says some great tips within this video. I think she's replying to her own video. No, she's not. That would be funny though. [00:58:17] Speaker B: Oh, that was Lee. [00:58:19] Speaker A: That was Lee Herbert, commercial videographer. That was from a couple of weeks ago. [00:58:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Catching up on the episode 108, the Random Photography show featuring Bruce Moyle. Lucky camera strap says the silence at the start laughing face. Gosh, that was funny. And everyone was just sitting there just not moving, just waiting for someone to do something. It was. Was awesome. [00:58:49] Speaker B: So please folks, if you're watching now, please join us for the the mega pickle level because clearly we need all. [00:58:55] Speaker A: The help we can get on one of our GFX 100 RF videos. Is I just really needed Simon 359 says if no IBIS certainly they should have had an F2 lens. F2 on a medium form. It would be a very tricky thing. I know they do it with a couple of their primes, but the camera would be massive. But maybe 2.8 would have been wonderful on Nick Fletcher's episode. The one and only Nick Fletcher of BEFOP fame. Great episode. If you haven't listened to it yet, episode number 92. Check it out. [00:59:29] Speaker D: Did Nick write this himself? [00:59:31] Speaker A: It looks kind of like. Looks like this is another Nick Burner account. But we'll see how it goes. I'm just going to skim it. What a background of photography Nick has. Amazing. It is so interesting to hear how people get started in their journey. It's the Story behind the camera. Love the no fear of showing your work at befop. There are so many photographers on so many levels and they like different genres. The amount of positivity. Get swept up in the whole madness of the weekend. This will be my third befop. Okay. It's probably not Nick. I don't think it's Nick. I don't think it's Nick. Just a fan. It does sound a little bit like Nick at the start. Cannot speak highly enough of their inclusiveness of people's partners. Put up the rest of us and our cameras. The whole unorganized, haphazard way the show is running is just amazing. Lots of stars. Yeah, it is a cool thing. We've been. We've been interviewing a heap of the BEFOP instructors and we're getting excited. [01:00:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been pretty cool, actually. Getting to know. [01:00:27] Speaker A: It has been fun. It's been fun because I haven't. I missed half the episodes because I was in New Zealand and Greg really took the ball and ran with it. But then now I've been editing them all and so I've got. [01:00:37] Speaker B: I screwed up every single one on purpose because I was resentful of you slacking off in New Zealand while I did all the work. Oh, yeah, we'll do the interviews. Matt and Nick, we'll do them, no problem, says Justin. And then he disappears. [01:00:50] Speaker A: Look, that happened. That did happen. [01:00:52] Speaker B: But it's fine. It was good. It was fun. A lot of fun. [01:00:56] Speaker A: Look, there's a ton of other. I think we've gotten. Look, we got through a lot. I'll go through these tomorrow and then check it out. Reply to them. Rick Nelson says we need a $99 level to become a co host for one show a month. We could do that. Done. [01:01:15] Speaker D: What if we got lots of members? We just have to have like 50 co hosts in one day. [01:01:19] Speaker A: Yeah, we just go live every day. The best podcast ever. There was comment up here about Here we go. If anyone wants to have a good steak while in bright, book into Sirloin's best in town. [01:01:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:33] Speaker A: And book early for sirloins. Avoid the disappointment. And Matt says yes, absolutely. But if you don't get into. Tomahawks is also a good walking spot. We will go to Tomahawks. Oh, Neil. Yes, I do accept bitcoin. Contact me privately. [01:01:51] Speaker B: Was Tomahawks the place you and I went to on the last day for dinner? [01:01:55] Speaker A: Yes. [01:01:56] Speaker B: Before we went to the after party thingy. [01:01:58] Speaker A: Yep. [01:01:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that was really, really good. [01:02:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it was it was awesome. Really good. And I. I think we'll probably try and make an appearance there. Maybe. Maybe when we get over there on Wednesday. Yeah. [01:02:11] Speaker B: Before it gets crazy. [01:02:12] Speaker A: Have a little. A little prefop Tomahawks party. [01:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe that'd be good. Because then we'll be busy every night anyway, I reckon. [01:02:18] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:02:19] Speaker A: Probably too busy to. To go there. Yeah. That's why I was thinking stakes steaks at the house. Yeah. Just to get. Get some food in without having to like, plan and then. Because the problem is if I don't. If I don't have good food there, I'll end up eating crappy food in a rush because we don't have time to do anything. [01:02:37] Speaker B: Yep. [01:02:37] Speaker D: Anyway, let's get to some news. [01:02:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, we should probably do that. All right, hang on, I'm gonna do it. [01:02:49] Speaker D: Oh, no. She did. [01:02:51] Speaker A: We're back in rumors. [01:02:55] Speaker B: All right. Have you got the links open? [01:02:57] Speaker A: Yeah. You tell me what you want and I'll pull it up by the time you get to it. [01:03:01] Speaker B: All right. Let's talk about Fujikina in September. Yeah. [01:03:09] Speaker D: More Fuji news, Greg. [01:03:11] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I haven't. I haven't been able to say it much lately. Jim. [01:03:14] Speaker A: Hang on. What's the difference between Fuji Keena and Fuji X Summit? [01:03:20] Speaker B: I think Fuji Keena is the kind of the. They kind of took it from Photo Keener, I think, which is gone now. That was the German trade show. [01:03:28] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:03:28] Speaker B: The big one. Yeah. What's. [01:03:30] Speaker A: Is that what Keena Keener is? What's a keen eye? I don't know, like a show. [01:03:34] Speaker B: Okay. [01:03:36] Speaker A: Expert. [01:03:37] Speaker D: Shouldn't you know? [01:03:39] Speaker B: Why should I know? [01:03:40] Speaker D: Because you're a foodie. [01:03:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's probably true. So Fujikin is coming up in September, London and Cologne. Is that how you say that? Cologne? That's how you say it? Yeah. So they're talking about that there'll be the GFX Saturna, which is the new. [01:04:01] Speaker A: Oh, the cinema. [01:04:02] Speaker B: The cinema camera. That's basically, you know, like a pimped up GFX 1/ hundreds mark II or 100 mark II. And also rumors about some lenses. Probably the, the most, the most prominent rumor for Fujifilm that's going around at the moment, which I don't really understand it is they're saying that the successor to the Fujifilm XT30 Mark II would be coming out this year. Again, this is a rumor. Nothing that Fuji have said officially and I don't have one, but they're saying that the fuj. Sorry, the XT 30 Mark III will come out this year, which, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So the, the XT, the XT series XT1 to 5, that's kind of their flagship photography camera. The XT10 was like the, the entry level version. So it was, it was dumbed down a lot. It didn't have the same processor, it didn't have a lot of the same stuff. Didn't have weather ceiling, poor build quality, those sorts of things. But they kind of stocked. They, they stopped at the XT30, they made a second one for some reason and then they never went to an XT40. They just jumped straight to XT50, which came out last year. Our friend Charlie Blevins was part of that release tanks. It was released here in Australia. Announced here in Australia. Anyway, I don't understand why they think an XT 30 Mark III is the next logical, logical step for that series of cameras. You know, if anything an XT52 or an XT40, maybe, I. It's just, it's a weird, weird rumor anyway. We'll wait and see. But having said that, there should be some, some surprises coming out of Fujikina later this month. It's happening, isn't it? 18 to the 21st in London and then the 25th to the 28th in London and then again 27th to 28th in Cologne. So no doubt we'll cover some of that stuff. And yeah, stay tuned. [01:05:56] Speaker D: That definitely sounds like words from a guy that has an NDA. [01:06:01] Speaker B: It does not. [01:06:03] Speaker A: What? [01:06:03] Speaker B: I don't. No, I don't. [01:06:06] Speaker D: There might be some exciting things. Stay tuned. [01:06:09] Speaker B: There might be. You never know. Never know. You never know. Let's jump to the next news segment which will make Justin very happy and his friend Jeff. Canon leads the global camera shipments of 2024. I know it feels like old news, but sometimes it takes them a little while to, to collate all this data. [01:06:27] Speaker A: What are you doing? What are you doing, Greg? Getting your Canon news from Sony Alpha Rumors. [01:06:32] Speaker B: Well, Canon had it on this on their rumor site, but this had better. It just looked better. All right, it's the same story. What does it matter? [01:06:42] Speaker A: Look at that. Oh, Fujifilm. [01:06:46] Speaker B: Fujifilm. Fujifilm are closing in, Jim. Gotta say, that's. [01:06:52] Speaker D: Yeah, I didn't think that PI would look like that. [01:06:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. [01:06:56] Speaker A: Even all of these together aren't as big as. [01:07:00] Speaker D: No. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty massive. Good on them. Like, you know, they're selling killer products. [01:07:06] Speaker A: So hang on, what is this? Camera shipment share by manufacturer for 2024. Okay. So that's shipment. So they might have just slammed them all into. Into retailers and the retailers can't sell them. But that's. I. That can't. They couldn't do that. That wouldn't last very long. [01:07:22] Speaker D: No, you couldn't do that forever. [01:07:23] Speaker A: Couldn't do that. [01:07:24] Speaker D: But they also had a very similar share. If you go down in 2023. If you scroll down a little bit. Greg. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:35] Speaker D: Oh, sorry. [01:07:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, so. [01:07:37] Speaker D: So it's. It's similar numbers. [01:07:38] Speaker B: Yeah. But Fuji is crept up quite a bit. That's a big jump for them. [01:07:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the X half, I think it is. Apparently. Everyone keeps saying it's actually going really well. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's selling. And the. The XM5 is really popular and the. [01:07:55] Speaker A: New XC5, the X5 is going to. That's the camera. That's a very cool camera. [01:08:01] Speaker B: It is a cracker of a camera. [01:08:03] Speaker A: It's pricey, you know, like, because it could be. Because it's very well featured and it's small and it's well designed. I really like that camera. That might be. That camera might be in the. Elena's future. Unless I can convince her to. To have a Canon. I shouldn't have started her on a Q3. [01:08:23] Speaker B: No, probably not, because there's no going backwards from that. [01:08:26] Speaker A: I gave her the Canon to use and she was like, this is shit. She's like, there's all these buttons. I don't know where anything. I don't know where anything is. [01:08:36] Speaker B: Like. [01:08:36] Speaker A: It was. I think it was just. There was a lot. There's a lot of buttons. [01:08:40] Speaker B: Yeah, there is a lot of buttons on the R5 too. [01:08:42] Speaker D: Like it's. [01:08:43] Speaker B: It's a lot. [01:08:44] Speaker A: The like is quite simple. So the. So Fujifilm might be a good. Yeah, a good answer. [01:08:50] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah, I reckon. Get an X100 next one. DJI. [01:08:56] Speaker A: It's the change lenses. [01:08:59] Speaker B: DJI have released mic three compact wireless microphone system. This is more just. This is new, it's updated, it's out. [01:09:08] Speaker A: But yeah, I'm tempted by this. [01:09:11] Speaker B: I was wondering if you would be. [01:09:13] Speaker A: So I use my mics a bit. I don't know if I'm using them enough at the moment to justify an upgrade. So I've got the DJI Mic 2. I've had the DJI Mic 1 and I've had the Rode wireless mics, but not the latest versions. [01:09:27] Speaker B: Oh, the gos. [01:09:29] Speaker A: No, before that. Whatever they were. There's the wireless. Oh, maybe it was the go. No, I can't remember. Don't know the one they brought out first. And they had a couple of versions of them before they started doing the. Yeah, the go and the. I can't remember. Yeah. So Bruce Mills right here. So not impressed with the DJI due to lack of 3.5 mil input. So basically it means it's not really a lav. It's not a transmitter for lavs. [01:10:01] Speaker B: Oh, so you mean so you can use it like a lav, can't you? [01:10:04] Speaker A: It is. [01:10:05] Speaker B: If you wanted to wire it up with a. With a discrete lav, you can't do that. [01:10:09] Speaker A: I don't think so. You can with mine, I'm pretty sure. [01:10:14] Speaker B: What do you. [01:10:15] Speaker D: What do you mean? Sorry, this is going over my head of. [01:10:18] Speaker A: So the. On mine. Hang on, let me bring myself up on my DJI Mic 2. I need to be over here on my DJI Mic 2. There's a 3.5 mil input for a lavalier mic. Now, it's not a locking input, so the pros like Bruce would still be like. But it does work. So this is so little, isn't it? This becomes the transmitter. Whereas traditionally, like a transmitter for a LAV was like this big and that would get taped, like sat in their pocket or, you know, like tucked somewhere, hidden somewhere or whatever. And then these smaller wireless mics have just become. They've become the microphone. No LAV needed. So Bruce is saying, no, you cannot with the mic 3, add a lav to it so you can have better audio and hide it. And that's the, that's the key difference. So it's kind of like they're going, look, we don't care to play unless they might, they might release a pro version like a lav, a LAV transmitter, maybe. But you would think if they were going to do that, they would have released it at the same time. [01:11:29] Speaker B: You think so? Yeah. [01:11:30] Speaker A: But they also might be like, ah, we don't give a shit. We'll let, we'll let some other brands play in that space because we wanted to. They want to make this as small as possible for creators. Yeah. And that it is smaller, like. [01:11:44] Speaker B: And, and let's face it, a lot of the younger creators love the fact that you can see their microphone. They hang it off the baseball cap, they have it really prominent or they put it on a little stick or something. [01:11:54] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:11:55] Speaker A: And honestly, when you're just making a YouTube video, it is way easier than around with a lav. Like, it's, it's just something that gets in the way. It's a pain in the ass. And so everyone's doing better audio. [01:12:07] Speaker D: That's what they want. They don't care about polish. Look, I'm not going for polished tv. [01:12:12] Speaker A: That being said, when I was using this, sometimes with a T shirt this is really annoying. It's heavy, it's big and it like drags the T shirt down. That's okay. With a hoodie, like I can clip it on, it just sits there. But on a T shirt it was annoying. That's why people clip it onto their hats and stuff. [01:12:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:30] Speaker A: So this smaller, lighter version is a big plus for something like that. Bruce Moyle says HISS Ooh, you professionals, Bruce. So I don't know, it's, it's, it's a good upgrade. Would you upgrade from the DJI Mic 2? Not if you're budget conscious. Not if you don't need. So this apparently has the capacity to have four mics to one receiver, which I think is probably the biggest plus. But. And I believe, I don't know if this is true, it can interface with some Sony cameras. I think it's only Sony at this point can actually get you four independent tracks recorded. Yeah, Canon can record four channel tracks. Four channel, yeah. And so. But Canon I don't think interfaces with this in any way currently. But Canon does have the capability to record 2 through the hot shoe and 2 through the 3.5 input. So yeah, I don't know. It's, it's a good, it's a good upgrade but it's not something like you need to run out and buy unless you need. But, but the ability to have four mics if even if they just sum into your like your input. So you can't independently edit the audio tracks but you get four clear mic signals. For someone like that's just run and gunning with more than two people that could be a big benefit. [01:14:07] Speaker B: So yeah, Bruce has said yeah, only Sony, which is a useful thing. [01:14:12] Speaker A: I think it is a useful thing. Like if you want to, if you want to quickly just record four people talking. This is probably the fastest and best quality quality you could get. Just quickly clip four mics onto people, point a camera at them and get clean audio you can edit the levels of later that stuff that we just didn't have on. On systems this small. [01:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:35] Speaker A: Bruce is mixed use. Use both road and DJI Mark two systems amongst others. Yeah. I've gone from road to dji and the biggest advantage with DJI before Rode caught up was the charging case was, was great. Rode didn't have that kind of thing. The fact that you can't put these away in the DJI Mic 2 with the fluffy windscreens on them is lame. And you can actually do that on the DJI Mic 3. [01:14:59] Speaker D: What do you mean? [01:15:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that. This. This one doesn't. [01:15:05] Speaker D: So it was yours different to mine? [01:15:07] Speaker A: Yeah, mine's the Pro. Mine's like the. The professional one. [01:15:11] Speaker D: Oh, sorry. I've got the Mark two Minis. [01:15:13] Speaker A: You. So yours is. Is closer to this system, but with less professional features. But it's similar size and form factor to this system. Mine's got professional features like this system, but is. It's the older large form factor. [01:15:27] Speaker D: Right. Yeah. [01:15:28] Speaker A: So. [01:15:29] Speaker D: Yeah, sorry, I thought that was a sign. [01:15:32] Speaker B: It is an interesting choice, though, to drop that 3.5 mil, Jack. [01:15:36] Speaker A: You know, I mean, look at this ton of space. [01:15:38] Speaker B: Well, look at, look at, look at how much. How much crap Apple. I mean, not that Apple Care, they didn't go backwards on it when Apple dropped it from iPhones. You know, everyone hated on them for doing it because people just, you know, people still liked having wired earbuds or headphones. [01:15:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I just. I guess they've just done enough market research to be like, well, we. We might lose 10 of the segment, but we'll be the market leader in. Yeah. In the. Everything else. [01:16:07] Speaker B: I mean, they're slick products, there's no doubt. Yeah, they're great products. You know, they're doing amazing things at the moment. [01:16:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:15] Speaker B: Let's jump to the next story. Talking about the. The new Lauer 200 mil Justin Fresh look. [01:16:24] Speaker A: Wow. We're an hour and 16 in and we're still at the news. I think we're gonna have to restructure this show. [01:16:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:29] Speaker D: Right. [01:16:30] Speaker B: I'll speed it up. [01:16:31] Speaker A: No, no. [01:16:34] Speaker B: So we talked about this last week. I think in the week before it's been. The room has been floating. It's been confirmed. Last week we sort of said, yeah, they've said it's definitely happening and now it's. It's a real thing and people are testing it in the wild. You can get it in blue or gray. It's for EZ and fe mount, which is great. [01:16:54] Speaker A: EF like. [01:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Prices. Price is still unknown, but it's 1.6 kilos. Although I have seen a different measurement at another site, so don't quote us on that. But it's a beast. You know, a 200 F2 is a pretty stunning piece of glass. [01:17:18] Speaker D: Yeah. I remember seeing the Nikon F Mount 1 and it was it was big. [01:17:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:23] Speaker A: I wonder if they'll like do you think, do you reckon like what do you reckon the quality would be like on this thing? [01:17:30] Speaker B: Lala are pretty good. [01:17:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:33] Speaker B: You know they often do this obscure out of sort of out of the, the average photographer's kit kind of lenses we I think we talked about last week, you know macro, wide angle, tilt shift, those special probe ones that people use for filmmaking. They do really sort of fringe stuff and they do it quite well. [01:17:52] Speaker A: So small says blackmagic cameras use EF still. [01:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:55] Speaker A: And, and Canon do as well and I guess it's just because they can't make it for RF and I'm assuming it's very simple for them to to do that mount. But yeah I'm just, I'm interested like quality wise that Nikon 200F2 is, is well regarded as one of the you know just the great sharp iconic lens that's fast enough to be able to use for sports, indoor sports and stuff like that. [01:18:20] Speaker B: Yeah And I know it's APS C. The Fuji 200F2 is pretty, pretty renowned too. Andrew hall uses it for car photography for motorsport events. [01:18:30] Speaker A: Pause the news for a moment for a quick question from Jason Rogers. Can I ask a question? What's the best slash quickest way to transfer photos to a laptop during a football game using Nikon D7200 and an Acer laptop? Well, the fastest way would most definitely be a card reader. [01:18:51] Speaker B: Get a Z9 and a MacBook Pro. That's how I would answer that question. [01:18:56] Speaker A: Look, if you can upgrade to a camera that has fast cards and a MacBook Pro that'd be better but no. So D7200 you want a nice fast card and does your Acer laptop have a built in card reader and if it doesn't you want to make sure your card reader is as fast, fast and capable as possible as well. And otherwise you, yeah you don't want to be doing anything, mucking around with anything wireless or anything like that or even plugging the camera in that that will be slow. It takes forever. You want to be slam the memory card in a nice fast card reader and yeah you can set. [01:19:30] Speaker D: Can you set up like auto ingest in Lightroom or is that only like a photo mechanic thing? [01:19:35] Speaker A: You might be able to. But I would, I would even look at potentially just doing. Yeah Lightroom is pretty fast but if you want to get photo mechanic if you're going to be doing this a lot otherwise I really liked fast Raw Viewer as well, you could try that. It's a lot cheaper. If you're shooting raw. [01:19:54] Speaker B: Currently using a Lexar card reader. [01:19:56] Speaker D: I would also say Jason, if you do, I would, I would get two cards like so you can be shooting on one and ingesting, setting up your ingest on the other so you kind. [01:20:05] Speaker A: Of not like there's no down them. [01:20:07] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So swapping them out as you ingest so that on the cards will be a bit jumpy but it'll ingest nicely into the computer and yeah. Then you still. Cameras ready to go. [01:20:20] Speaker A: Yeah. So it just depends. Depends what software you're going to be using to edit, whether you're going to shoot jpeg, JPEG or raw. And if you want to spend the money on Photo Mechanic or if you want to try something like Fast RAW Viewer or there's probably a few others now but I actually, I actually liked Fast Raw Viewer but Lightroom for me now is fast enough. But that could be different on your laptop. It's running really fast for me on a late model, highly specced MacBook Pro. [01:20:51] Speaker B: Yeah. But the other thing you could do as well Jason is have a look at last week's guests YouTube channel. So Jeff Cable, he's a, he's a, he's the photographer for Team usa, the Olympics squad. And he was our guest last week and we, he talked about his, his, his deadline is like 14 minutes to get an image, clean it up and send it away. So he might have. Because he, he shares everything. He's not a gatekeeper. He, he loves educating people. It's a big part of what he does. And there might be a YouTube video about it or two on his channel so maybe even check him out and go from there. [01:21:32] Speaker A: Nev. Clark agrees. Run two cards, swap them out every 10 minutes or so or whatever. Works for how fast you're filling your cards up. Yeah. Invest in, in good high speed cards that'll. It'll speed up your flow through the camera so you don't buffer out as fast depending on how fast your camera can process the images. But it'll also speed up your transfer onto your computer. Back to the news. [01:22:01] Speaker B: Yeah, let's just. I'll run through quickly. We don't need to bring up any images. I'll just run through the last few bits because they're more just sort of, you know, headlines. The first one is that apparently Canon, the canon, canon EOS R7 Mark II is out and about in the wild. Rumors of it have been seen floating around. People are probably testing it, reviewing it, you know, all that sort of stuff. There's a, there's been some leaked images of an upcoming OM system. M. Zuiko. Is that how we pronounce it? M. Zuko Mzuico? [01:22:32] Speaker A: No idea. [01:22:33] Speaker B: It's a digital ED50 to 200F 2.8 stabilized pro lens coming 10th of September. We'll get back to you on that one when it's actually a thing and we'll bring up some official images on it. And finally the last little bit of news worth sharing is that Viltrox, very popular third party lens manufacturer and developer, they've joined the, the L mount alliance from today with Leica. So they're making lenses. They'll be making official L mount lenses. [01:23:04] Speaker A: That's cool. [01:23:04] Speaker B: Like her as well. So. Yeah, but that's, that's the news. [01:23:08] Speaker A: Did you guys already Talk about that X2D Mark II Hasselblad last week? [01:23:14] Speaker B: We talked about it's coming. Yeah, I think, I think last week it was just teaser images but it's. [01:23:18] Speaker A: Definitely out and about now it's, it's out. Have you. So everyone's saying it's, it's a game changer. What do you think? [01:23:26] Speaker B: If you've got seven US$400. Yeah. That'd change any game, wouldn't it? [01:23:29] Speaker A: Are you just, are you just sad because it, it makes Fujifilm's medium format stuff look not as good? [01:23:35] Speaker B: No, it doesn't. I don't feel that way. But it does use a LIDAR technology for autofocus. [01:23:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Because. So Hasselblad is dji, isn't it? Yep, yep. So. Okay. Yeah, it's, it's very interesting. Obviously. Yes, this is, I mean. Yeah, it's a lot of money. So that's 7:3 US so it's probably 20,000 Australian dollars. So it's, it's but like internal 1 TB SSD. Yeah, I'm not sure. I haven't actually watched many of the reviews on it or anything like that because yeah again we probably won't be buying it but.5 axis 10 stop in body stabilization. [01:24:17] Speaker D: Imagine all the video screen. [01:24:19] Speaker B: 3.6 inch screen. [01:24:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know, it's. I mean it's pretty cool. [01:24:26] Speaker D: Yeah, it would be, it'd be interesting to see how it shoots in like real world. [01:24:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, it's always, they're always. Oh no, it's always going to be slower and yeah, you know it's, it's a medium format but I'm sure people that were shooting Pro medium format 10 years ago would probably play with one of these and be like, holy, this is. Yeah, this is fast. Yeah. You know. Yeah, but compared to your Z8s, it's going to be slow. [01:24:54] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. And. And you know, the cost and weight and size of the lenses is significant. You know, it. [01:25:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it. [01:25:03] Speaker B: It makes a really big kit like a GFX would. But, you know, the lens, the glass is really, really pricey but beautiful. Yeah, it's just that top level, isn't it? It's just that top level where, you know what you say it. I've got $30,000. I'm gonna go buy a new camera and two lenses. [01:25:21] Speaker D: Yeah, but you've got to have it like, you know, supercars seem outrageous to. [01:25:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:25:27] Speaker D: Some people and great value to others. Like, I want to look at that and go, oh, that's great. [01:25:33] Speaker A: Well, if you. It's. It's really not crazy money to spend for a professional photographer working in a high level, like a. Something that demands image quality. It's not. And like you say, if you do only need one or two lenses for your, like your chosen field studio, fashion photography or something like that, if you don't need 15 lenses and you know, a 400 mil and a, you know, all that. That. That doesn't. Isn't even available for these. [01:26:04] Speaker B: And I think if you need that, then you. You're on the wrong system. [01:26:08] Speaker A: Yeah, that's exactly right. Or a photographer that. That would need that. They'd probably just have two systems. [01:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:14] Speaker A: So. Which is. I mean, that's what Matt Crummins runs now. Even though he's shooting the Fuji, he's still. I think he's still got his Sony system for really long, you know, fast stuff. Because the Fuji's not good enough. No, that's not what he said. Anyway, one more bit of news before we move on. It's not really news. It's kind of a bit of fun news. Bit of AI news that I thought would be interesting. Have you guys heard of. Hang on, let me pull this down and bring this up. No. There we go. Have you guys heard of Nano Banana? [01:27:00] Speaker B: Nano Banana? Yeah. [01:27:03] Speaker A: Nano Banana. [01:27:04] Speaker B: No, can't say I have. [01:27:05] Speaker D: Oh, is it in the news section? [01:27:08] Speaker A: No, I don't like to plan. I just like to bring things up. Has anyone in the chat heard of Nano Banana? Starting to make the rounds this week. It is Google Gemini. Flash Image. Google Gemini 2.5. Flash image. But its code name was. Yeah, Matt's. Matt's on to. It's all over the news for AI. Its code name is nano Banana and it is Greg Carrick. Heard about today, too. It is an image engine and I think video as well and probably other stuff that I don't even know. But generating media and stuff like that. I haven't even started to play with it yet because I was only hearing about it prior to the show. So maybe we can even think of something while we're on here. But basically it does the chat GPT type stuff to images. Where are we? [01:28:07] Speaker B: Like our chicken man. [01:28:09] Speaker A: Yeah, like our chicken man. Maybe we can even play with it now. Bruce Moles. This sounds like a penis joke. Yeah, Nano Banana. So I thought I would throw in a picture and I was like, let's just play with some stuff. So I threw Greg in there. It's a picture of Greg that I took. I really like that photo. [01:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I do too. It's my favorite. [01:28:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:31] Speaker D: And you cut his head off with the Shadow Horizon. [01:28:36] Speaker B: Wow. [01:28:38] Speaker A: Just. Jim, just. Come on. So I was like, I knew the photo that I was going to use. I forgot that I had just exported it in black and white. And I was like, oh, let's try something fun. So the first prompt I gave it was, can you turn this into color? And it did a pretty shit, don't you reckon? [01:28:59] Speaker B: That's amazing. I look buff. [01:29:01] Speaker A: How did it. Someone. So someone that knows about black and white. Is there any way. How did it reverse this? How did it do this? [01:29:10] Speaker B: How did it know I was a ginger? [01:29:11] Speaker A: How did it know the layer was gold? [01:29:14] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:29:14] Speaker A: I don't understand. Is there, like, data that we don't understand? [01:29:20] Speaker B: Maybe excess data? [01:29:21] Speaker A: Like, what is it? How did it do this? [01:29:27] Speaker B: What color is the camera? [01:29:28] Speaker A: Greg's face. This always goes well. [01:29:31] Speaker B: What color is the camera strap? [01:29:33] Speaker A: I think it's not quite right. But it's pretty. [01:29:34] Speaker B: No, because it's a black one. [01:29:36] Speaker D: Is it black? [01:29:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the black one. Yeah. But still, like the fact that. [01:29:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:43] Speaker D: And the gold in the shirt, the golden shirt. [01:29:45] Speaker B: It's golden. The shirt's freaky. [01:29:47] Speaker A: It looks pretty good. [01:29:49] Speaker B: Anyway, it must be hidden EXIF data. [01:29:51] Speaker A: So then I was like, can you make Greg into a photographic explorer on a snowy mountain peak? Okay. Hey, look at him. [01:30:03] Speaker B: Oh, look how tall I am. Hang on. [01:30:04] Speaker A: That's. [01:30:05] Speaker B: My head's really small. [01:30:06] Speaker D: You could put that on your wall. [01:30:08] Speaker B: That's too small. [01:30:09] Speaker A: I mean, it's AI still. It's not magic, but look how little my head is. [01:30:16] Speaker B: My torso is like a meter. [01:30:21] Speaker D: You're now six foot Five. [01:30:22] Speaker A: Greg. [01:30:23] Speaker B: I am. [01:30:24] Speaker A: It's not bad. [01:30:26] Speaker D: Yeah, that's pretty good. [01:30:28] Speaker B: And I would totally choose khaki, so, you know. [01:30:31] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:30:33] Speaker A: So where do we go from here? Any. Anything you want to. [01:30:37] Speaker B: It is a lot of cheese. Yeah. [01:30:40] Speaker A: Can you place Greg in Japan? You won't need the memberships anymore. I mean, we can. Go on, do it. Oh, actually, I forgot. So I did. Yeah, so I forgot. I played with a couple other ones, so it's hard to tell, but Greg is in this spaceman suit and there's. He's planting the Fujifilm flag on the moon. That sounds in the 70s. Because I didn't want any modern. I didn't want modern moon stuff. [01:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Bruce wants you to make me a Bollywood dancer. [01:31:14] Speaker A: A Bollywood dance, do you reckon? [01:31:15] Speaker D: And Greg wants to know how many fingers. [01:31:18] Speaker A: Can you please start fresh and make Greg a Bollywood dancer in Japan who has traveled to Tokyo? Does that do? [01:31:43] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:31:44] Speaker B: Yep. See what it does? It's got to be better than chicken, man. For sure. [01:31:50] Speaker A: It's. It's thinking. [01:31:57] Speaker D: We'Re doing well. Wasting the Internet again. [01:32:01] Speaker B: Burning it up. We're. [01:32:02] Speaker A: We're learning. We're learning about Nano Banana. [01:32:09] Speaker B: So was this just revealed today? [01:32:11] Speaker A: No, I think it's been out for a little bit. I think it's just hit the news cycle today, like the popular news cycle. It's already hit the top of the list of, like, how many people are using it for stuff, amongst all the other AI scary generative engines. [01:32:29] Speaker D: And do you have to pay for it? [01:32:31] Speaker A: No, not so far. I think if you use it too much, you would have to pay for it. [01:32:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:37] Speaker A: Or it'll, like, stop you. [01:32:39] Speaker D: Is that what the tokens are on the top, right? [01:32:41] Speaker A: I think so, yeah. [01:32:45] Speaker B: What is going on? [01:32:46] Speaker A: What is going on? The Fuji flag is still there. [01:32:56] Speaker B: Can you zoom in a bit? I can't. [01:32:59] Speaker A: Hang on, I'll try. And I don't think it's. I don't think there's enough res for me to really zoom in. Well, isn't that. Is that Bolly? [01:33:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. I don't even know. Go down to my feet. Look at my feet. Why are they pointing up like that? [01:33:12] Speaker D: You've got those. The shoes on. [01:33:15] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:33:21] Speaker A: Okay. Anything else or we going to stick with that? No, that's good. Print it. [01:33:28] Speaker B: You've got a printer. Print it for me. Give it to Sash for a birthday. She'll love it. [01:33:33] Speaker A: That's you. Is that. Is that an X? E5? No, that would have been the XE4. Oh, X70 X70. [01:33:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:40] Speaker D: It's funny that it's not a lucky strap though. [01:33:42] Speaker A: It's funny that it swapped from wrist strap to. Yeah, no, in the other ones. Oh, you've still got the wrist strap, but it's added a neck strap. That's where it gets weird. [01:33:51] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:33:52] Speaker B: Yeah. That is my BFOP outfit there, Bruce. Yeah, spot on. Typical Fujifilm shooter. [01:33:58] Speaker A: This is. Yeah, this is great. Jason Rogers says you guys are making my night now. Jason, you do know over on YouTube is where the party is because your probably commenting on Facebook alone. But over on YouTube there's tons of comments from lots of other people. So if you want to come visit on YouTube, you'll find us. Camera life. [01:34:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Thanks for coming. [01:34:19] Speaker A: Yelena says, greg, your legs are so long. I've been working on it now. [01:34:23] Speaker D: Your legs are long and your body's normal. [01:34:25] Speaker A: It looks like you're supposed to be riding a small horse, like a pony. [01:34:29] Speaker B: Or a mule. [01:34:30] Speaker A: Or a mule. Oh, no. It's okay, Jason. It's okay. It's not oops. But it's, you know, it's just like. You'll probably wonder where all these other comments are coming from. And they're coming from the YouTube live chat. Matt Palmer from Alpine Light in Bright. Can't wait to get over there and just hang out at your gallery and annoy you for three days. Ask questions. He says by whatever measures they use Nano Banana. He shortened it to B, but you got to use its full name. Nano Banana is outperforming both mid journey and ChatGPT's Dall E, which are all the image generative engines. I think this thing can do video and stuff too, actually. [01:35:11] Speaker D: Wow, that's scary. [01:35:15] Speaker A: Can you please make this a video of him dancing? This could take a while. So it can just run in the back. [01:35:27] Speaker B: Oh, that's a fair comment. Paul's made a good point. It wouldn't surprise me if AI scraped pics of the lucky camera straps Hoodie and Greg from the web and trained itself to recreate the colors. [01:35:39] Speaker A: I don't know that's that. [01:35:43] Speaker B: But how did it know I was a ginger? And how did it know that was gold? Like, that's crazy. [01:35:48] Speaker A: Do you want me to ask it after it does this? I'll say, how did you know when you changed the colors, how did you know Greg was a ginger? Let's see what it says. Also, another wonderful Greg who has a thing for black and white imagery. Greg Carrick's says, smash that like, button. And I agree, Smash it, please. It helps YouTube know that you like us. It's very, very handy. And Paul says be nice to the machines. I will indeed. I do yell at it a lot. Not this one, but I yell at chatgpt all the time. [01:36:19] Speaker B: But not on, not. Not live on air. Because he knows that repercussions could be too great. [01:36:23] Speaker A: That's right. I got it. [01:36:24] Speaker B: Rise up. [01:36:26] Speaker C: Oh, hang on. [01:36:28] Speaker A: I can generate still images, but I'm not able to create videos. However, I can certainly generate more images of Greg in different dance poses, locations if you'd like. [01:36:38] Speaker B: Yes. Surprises. [01:36:41] Speaker A: Random dance poses in iconic locations all over the world. We'll let that go. [01:36:57] Speaker B: Okay, Looking forward to that. [01:36:59] Speaker A: Yep. What else? [01:37:02] Speaker B: Talk about New Zealand. [01:37:04] Speaker A: All right, we'll be brief because we're already like way over time. And we're going to do Jim's website review. I don't know, maybe the chat can tell us what we should do. New Zealand. I was in New Zealand. It was fun. [01:37:18] Speaker B: All right, next segment. Jim. Yeah, that's that. [01:37:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I don't know if really what to. What to show you guys because I like. So I've been through the images quickly. I haven't really edited anything. I've. Yeah. What. Do you have any prompts for me? You know, you probably need. What would you like to see? [01:37:41] Speaker D: You need to show us. Once you've like properly gone through it, edited them. [01:37:43] Speaker B: Why don't you just talk? [01:37:44] Speaker D: But do you want to show us some experience? Have you looked at any, like, edited any? [01:37:49] Speaker A: I'll have a quick look. Not really. Bruce, did you use the 7200? All right, well, these are only very, very quick. Let's do this. Let me share my screen. [01:38:04] Speaker D: Rick Nelson said we have time. [01:38:07] Speaker A: I love it. I love that you guys like to hang. I like to hang too. I don't need to go to the gym tomorrow. We can stay up late. [01:38:16] Speaker D: We'll go at the same time. We'll go at 9:30 instead. [01:38:20] Speaker A: All right, let me just move that away and move this away. So these aren't of any general. Like, I haven't culled them in any kind of way, but of the 263 images that I took that I've sort of trimmed down to maybe I would want to do something with them. And most of these honestly are just for memories. They're not like I was trying to create amazing photos. It was just like I was here doing this stuff. Of those 56 were with the RF 16 to 28. 2.8 is STM 4 were with the RF 20mil F 1.4 probably wasn't worth taking it, but I did take some night sky shots with it. But I would, I would probably use it a lot. If I was shooting in a city somewhere like Tokyo, I probably would have used it. A ton of you made it. You made it over. Join the party. The RF 21.4, so it's, you know, prime wide. I want. I took it in case I did some Astro or in case there was like an Aurora or something. And I would have been annoyed but I really probably could have got away with the 16 to 28 for Astro. In a pinch it would have been all right. [01:39:43] Speaker B: So I think there's an Aurora warning for today actually. [01:39:46] Speaker A: Is there? I should have added that into the scenes that it's going to make for you. Oh, it's made the scenes, is it? [01:39:55] Speaker B: I might be wrong on that, but I'm sure I saw something saying it was tonight. [01:40:00] Speaker D: Surely Grant would be out looking at it. [01:40:03] Speaker B: I might have that wrong. [01:40:05] Speaker A: It hasn't changed. Okay. [01:40:09] Speaker D: Matt Palmer says for tomorrow night. [01:40:12] Speaker B: Oh, tomorrow night. Thanks, Matt. Oh, and Greg character. Oh, there you go. [01:40:16] Speaker A: I guess we'll all be out there together with clouds. Okay, sorry. So where was that? So 56 with the 16 to 28. My 2.8 which is a lightweight wide angle. Prime can confirm is waterproof. Tested aggressively. Four images with the 20 mil F 1.5 for. But I would definitely use that if we went to Tokyo or somewhere like that or night sky. But probably not required for a New Zealandy landscape kind of a trip. If I was cutting weight, that would have been the first one to go. Okay, 111 with the RF 28 to 72.8 and then 92 with the 70 to 200 F4. [01:40:58] Speaker D: Okay, and how many with the 100 to 500? [01:41:02] Speaker A: If I had the 100 to 500 I definitely would have used that long end. But not enough that I was annoyed that I didn't have it. Yeah, it wasn't too bad. But the 7200 was. If I didn't have that, I definitely would have felt like a lot of the times I was just taking snapshots instead of being able to like frame something up that's at a distance. So the 7200 was indispensable. Never missed really having the 2.8 because I wasn't shooting action. So low light, you just hand hold it with a nice steady IBIS stabilized image. And the F4 is so much more comfortable to wander around with. That lens, that lens kit, that little trio that I've got the 16 to 28, 2.8, the 28 to 70, 2.8. And the 7200F4 is an amazing lightweight travel lens kit that you can do almost anything with. And then if I added a prime of some sort to that, I'm good to go. [01:42:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:04] Speaker A: Yep, Good to go. [01:42:07] Speaker B: What prime would you add next time? [01:42:09] Speaker A: Depends on where I'm going. [01:42:10] Speaker B: Okay. [01:42:11] Speaker A: You know, love shooting with a 50 somewhere, but if it was. Yeah. If it was Tokyo or something, probably the 20. Really? [01:42:21] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. [01:42:22] Speaker A: Really depends on. On what I'm doing and if there's anything specific I'm doing there. If there's people involved, I'd love to have the 50. [01:42:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:31] Speaker A: I really like shooting at 28, but that's why I love having the 16 to 28 and the 28 to 70. And although I would love to have a 28 mil Prime Canon, don't make one yet. That's a. Like a high. A low aperture. Sorry, a wide aperture. [01:42:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:48] Speaker A: Greg Carrick says, did you use all the gear that I took? No, I didn't use any of my video. My Osmo Pocket 3. I didn't end up feeling the. The desire to make a YouTube video. I wish I did, but I didn't want to. [01:43:03] Speaker D: Yeah, that's probably important to listen to yourself and go like, this doesn't have. [01:43:07] Speaker A: To be a. Yeah. [01:43:08] Speaker D: A work creation. [01:43:09] Speaker A: Yeah, Work thing. Yeah. And I just. I just didn't. Yeah, I didn't feel that. The need to, but. So that means I didn't use that and I didn't use my microphones. I used my GoPro while I was snowboarding, which was pretty cool. I use my 360 camera while I was snowboarding, which is pretty cool. [01:43:31] Speaker D: Yeah, that's important to do some stuff like that. [01:43:35] Speaker B: And they're not big, bulky bits of kit either, are they? [01:43:38] Speaker A: The sorts of snowboarding runs we were doing. Like this. [01:43:42] Speaker B: Oh, so you did the heli tour. That's right. [01:43:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:43:45] Speaker B: Not the tour. But you were dropped off at the top by helicopter, weren't you? [01:43:48] Speaker A: We were. [01:43:49] Speaker B: How was that? [01:43:50] Speaker A: It's pretty cool. The tripod that Yelena carried over for me. [01:43:55] Speaker D: You did use it? [01:43:56] Speaker A: Yeah, only for a couple of night sky shots. And again, I could have got away without it, but Yelena and I did have fun getting out and shooting the night sky. I'll show you a couple of those. I haven't edited anything, but. But these are just snapshots. So this guy was on my heli tour. He hurt his leg so this is one of the spots we got dropped off at. This is hard to see, but that's a glacial lake. [01:44:18] Speaker D: Oh, wow. [01:44:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:44:19] Speaker A: There. And then this is the ocean. You could see both of them from this. This spot. Yeah. That's pretty cool. So I took a few photos of the crew. I'll find some other. Hang on. So, yeah, this. This is what some of the runs were like. Wide open, just beautiful snow, sunny conditions. We had to wait three days and change our plans to get to fly because we had bad weather. John Pickett's asking, did Yelena use the Leica? She did. She used it quite a bit. And we're going to try and convince her to come on the show and talk about it. [01:44:55] Speaker B: Yay. [01:44:56] Speaker D: Cool. [01:44:57] Speaker A: She did use it quite a bit. And we're going to maybe even have a look at her photos if she lets us. We'll see. Nice. So, yeah, so that's what the runs. Some of the runs were like. That's Matt. Matt's cool. Hey, Matt. This is sometimes what it looks like when you're dropping in to a spot and it's kind of icy and scary because you drop over and it's a lot steeper than it is. A lot sleeping. You think it's going to be. [01:45:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:45:24] Speaker A: This is the farm where you get picked up from. That's Matt eating a carrot. We get picked up. So these sorts of shots. This is what the. You know, the 28 to 70 is really handy for just being able to, like punch in and get a portrait at 70, but then being able to get the scene at 28. I'm telling photographers what they already know, that 28 to 70 is a good all round lens, but it is. Yes, it's very sharp. [01:45:50] Speaker B: Gosh. It is. [01:45:51] Speaker D: Elena. Elena said, gosh, what a boring episode that would be. I don't know. You don't need to know. [01:45:58] Speaker A: It'll be fun. [01:45:59] Speaker B: You just fake it till you make it, kiddo. Yeah. [01:46:02] Speaker A: This was our chopper. On the second day, we had a nice red one. They put our snowboards in this cage and we. Sometimes when you go up in the chopper to the top, you have to dig a spot for the chopper to be able to land for other people, which is fun. I took photos of Matt and our guide doing the digging. [01:46:25] Speaker D: Good. Good use of your tough. [01:46:27] Speaker B: Yeah, good way to get out of it, guys. I'm a photographer. [01:46:31] Speaker A: So we got dropped off above the cloud. This was on a bad weather day. But they found a window for us. So literally, other parts of the mountains we couldn't like they had to find spots that were. Had no cloud cover. Yeah. And then. Yeah, that's kind of. It's hard to see because this isn't edited, but, like, you're dropping in here, and then you've got these views down to the valley. Wow. [01:46:52] Speaker B: Oh, my God. That's insane. [01:46:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:56] Speaker D: Yeah, that is insane. [01:46:57] Speaker B: So how does it work, Justin? You ski to the bottom with a guide, or are you just a group of. [01:47:03] Speaker A: Yeah, this. This dude with the red jacket, he's our guide. So there's four people per chopper load and one guide with those four people. He tells us where we can go. We follow him. We don't get in any trouble. He's on skis because being a guide on a snowboard is very hard. I have had a snowboard guy before, and it's awesome. [01:47:22] Speaker D: And you don't go past the guide. [01:47:24] Speaker A: You don't go past the guide unless they tell you to. Because the guide that I had, who was a snowboard guide, he wanted photos, so he would be like, I'm going to jump off that thing down there. You go down and get set up. And I was like, they told me never to go in front of the guide. And he's like, no, you'll be right. Just like, slowly snowboarding down the run, waiting to get hit by an avalanche. We saw an avalanche? Yeah. [01:47:48] Speaker D: Wow. Anywhere near you or like, far away? [01:47:53] Speaker A: Like, what's near enough? That for me. But we weren't in danger, but we were close enough that everyone pointed and said avalanche kind of thing. Like. [01:48:03] Speaker B: Like sort of the last thing you want to hear on a. On a ski field. I imagine it was on the same. [01:48:09] Speaker A: Run we were on, but just not. Not behind us. Yeah. So down here you can see the choppers parked. That's where we had lunch. Oh, wow. So that's our chopper pilot waiting there for us. And then we got down. That's Matt falling over. So. So this is a great. [01:48:31] Speaker B: Gosh, it's a long way, isn't it? [01:48:33] Speaker A: Oh, this is like. This is a third of the way. [01:48:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but look how tiny they are from. [01:48:37] Speaker A: Yeah, this guy fell over. He's got my selfie stick thing, my 360 camera, so. And that's where the other chopper parked for lunch. That's incredible. See everyone's tracks through here. [01:48:53] Speaker B: Yep. [01:48:54] Speaker A: And how small people are. Oh, is that. No, that's not it. But yeah. Don't remember. So this is what lunch looks like. So that's our chopper pilot. It's been a pilot for, like, 40 years. And he's just serving a soup and there's oranges. And this was for four people. They accidentally didn't cancel the full lunch. So for four people, that's how many rolls were packed? We. Three rolls. There's chicken drumsticks, chocolate cake. It was, it was a full spread. And you're just in the middle of the middle of nowhere, just standing next to your helicopter. Standing next to your helicopter. [01:49:38] Speaker B: That's so cool. [01:49:39] Speaker A: Eaten a packed lunch, like. [01:49:42] Speaker B: Yep. [01:49:43] Speaker A: Hot soup, chicken drumsticks. Yeah, it was pretty amazing. Another good size photos. [01:49:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:49:58] Speaker A: And what else? Yeah, that was me. And then this is kind of the end of the. Of Halle. On our way back. This is what the road looks like to get. It's like probably a 45 minute drive from the town we stayed in called Methven. This is. Which is about an hour and a half from Christchurch. So we're up in the northern kind of end of the South Island. And then. Yeah, on the way back, you just come across sheep that are cruising around and then they decide they want to chase the car because they must have thought we had food. So that like all of them. [01:50:37] Speaker B: Just all the sheep of New Zealand. [01:50:40] Speaker A: All of them. [01:50:41] Speaker B: All of them. [01:50:42] Speaker A: And then these dogs were like, get out of here. [01:50:46] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:50:46] Speaker A: And then that's, that's that. And then it's sort of. That's when that part of the trip ended. And that's when I caught up with Yelena and we started our adventure in the van. Liz Okie says, oh, Mount Hut area. Yes, Mount Hut area for sure. Wonderful spot. We got up to Mount Hut for one morning and we couldn't see anything. It was one of the. You saw all that heli stuff. Mount Hut that morning at Mount Hut was some of the scariest snowboarding I've done in my life. Like literally. So I was following someone who was maybe 3 or 4 meters in front of me and I could barely see them. And then they stopped and they were like, you go ahead. It was like being in a. Yeah. Being blindfolded. Yeah, yeah. That's all white out. And you're just trying to not hurt yourself. Yeah, yeah. Crazy. [01:51:36] Speaker D: It's odd. Yeah. Jason said before as well. Hi there, guys. I'm a photographer based in Maryborough. Are you Maryborough, Queensland or Maryborough, Victoria? [01:51:46] Speaker A: Jason. Oh, yeah. You nearby or. [01:51:48] Speaker D: Yeah, because we are. We are Bendigo in Victoria. If you. [01:51:51] Speaker A: So if you want to. You want to see some of the only shots that I took with the 20 miles? Here's some of our. Where we Parked the van to sleep. This was at Mount Cook. So like. Like frozen blue icy chunks right above. And that's where we camped for the night in the snow. [01:52:15] Speaker D: Did it have a heater, that van? [01:52:17] Speaker A: Yeah, had a diesel heater. [01:52:19] Speaker D: Sweet. [01:52:20] Speaker A: But yeah. I tried to get some night sky shots. These aren't edited, obviously, but I like this one because it's like. [01:52:27] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Yeah. [01:52:28] Speaker A: An erupting volcano. Yeah. [01:52:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:52:31] Speaker D: Nice. [01:52:32] Speaker B: So. [01:52:32] Speaker A: Yeah, but I don't think. I don't think it's sharp. There's like a tiny bit of motion blur. I think I was maybe pushing the exposure just a smidge. [01:52:43] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:52:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it was 20 seconds at 20 mil. I think it was too long. [01:52:49] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:52:49] Speaker A: For. For a high res sensor. Yeah. See the stars starting to start to. [01:52:57] Speaker D: Move a little bit. [01:52:57] Speaker B: Is that Starlink? [01:53:00] Speaker A: It could be any satellite. It's not. Okay. I don't think it's one of those chains now, but there was a lot in some of them. There was like tons of. Don't know if I put any of them up, but. Yeah, anyway. But there's. There's so many photos. [01:53:16] Speaker D: Great show. [01:53:17] Speaker A: Great trip. Yeah, I don't know about that, but. [01:53:20] Speaker D: No, I'm Yelena. [01:53:22] Speaker A: Being a photographic influencer. [01:53:25] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a great. That's the shot that I accused you of being AI. [01:53:30] Speaker D: Little did you know, Greg, it was your shot. [01:53:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not even real. This is all just fake. [01:53:39] Speaker A: And then it snowed our entire way to. This is pretty crazy. I'll just flick through a couple of these and then we'll move on. Snowed our entire way. We drove from Queenstown down to Milford Sound, which is like a four hour drive. And then it gets quite windy. High mountain pass and can be pretty crazy. Well, not crazy, actually. It's fine. But everyone stresses out about it and a lot of people don't even. They won't drive in there. They'll get a bus. And we took a camper in there because, you know, that's how we roll. But the whole time it snowed. So like through farmland. Like this is just farmland. [01:54:13] Speaker D: That's cool. [01:54:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it was awesome. And that. Which meant. So then these are the roads coming into Milford Sound as you start to get to the mountains and stuff. Yeah, they're all covered. We didn't know quite how special it was because we left the day after. Or there's still snow on the ground. But like all of the mountain snow had like melted in the sunny areas because on this day they were in the sun and it's all melting, so there's waterfalls everywhere. [01:54:40] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:54:42] Speaker A: All the small waterfalls were all gone the next day. And it was only just the big ones. But, yeah, it was like. [01:54:48] Speaker D: That's cool. Yeah. [01:54:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So there was like. So this. Can't really see. Where is it? The sun's coming through. Yeah. And that. So that's melting snow from the trees, not water. But it was like. It was raining, you know, like, because the sun's coming through. So we're walking through this bit. It was just like. It was in the rain, but it was just. Yeah, it was just melting snow. [01:55:15] Speaker B: It was crazy. [01:55:16] Speaker D: Yeah, Some good shots. [01:55:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. It was a fun trip. [01:55:21] Speaker B: Well, that's good. [01:55:22] Speaker A: Really fun. Oh, and I came to see some prints of this. Well, I do have a printer, but, yeah, I have a bit of it. I don't know if I want to pick on them or not. Save the wanaka tree for later. I didn't do a very good job of it. I can see why it's so well photographed, though. But it didn't have much water around it. What was I going to say? Yeah, I ordered paper and I paid for Express Shipping and then from Melbourne and then I ordered. So I just needed A4 paper, but I was like, I'll get some A3 and I'll get some 5 by 7, because I've got this printer now, so I might as well have it. But I really just wanted A4 paper and there's a particular type I wanted. And so then two days after I placed the order with Express Shipping, they emailed us, say that the A4 that said it was in stock on their website isn't in stock. And they said, so it should be back in stock in about two weeks. Do you want to wait two weeks to send the full order or do you want to pay an extra lot of postage to send the other stuff and then send the other bit later? And I'm like, they're not dodgy, though. They're a good. [01:56:36] Speaker D: No, but that's not how you do. That's not. Yeah, that's not how you should do it. [01:56:40] Speaker B: They've always been putting the burden on the customer. [01:56:43] Speaker A: I kind of think if you. If you muck up and you said something was in stock and you don't, at the bare minimum, you can split the shipment and cover the shipping cost. [01:56:52] Speaker D: For two shipments and then for the small extra cost. [01:56:55] Speaker A: Yeah. So I. I said, all right, well, how much will the shipping cost? And I think they said, you know, it'll be $19 or something like that. I'm like, ah, you probably should have just done. Yeah, you should have just said that to start with. [01:57:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:57:09] Speaker D: Is it the same place we always buy stuff? [01:57:11] Speaker B: It is. [01:57:11] Speaker D: So we've spent like a lot of money there. [01:57:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Which shouldn't matter one way or the other and probably never. They probably don't know who I am right now because I haven't bought off them from a long time. And it's probably a different email address. So that's not really relevant. Part of it. [01:57:25] Speaker B: Every customer, like they're your best customer. [01:57:28] Speaker A: I think so. I think it's just like they'll friendly about it, but I just think it's a sort of miss the mark there where it's like, hey, we mucked up. Do you want to pay extra so that you don't have to wait two weeks to get the items that are in stock? [01:57:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:57:42] Speaker A: You know. [01:57:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:57:43] Speaker A: Anyway, I don't want to. I don't want to complain, but. So I haven't been able to print anything on my printer yet other than the calibration. [01:57:50] Speaker D: Do you want. I might have some paper. [01:57:53] Speaker A: Maybe. [01:57:54] Speaker D: I might have a box. [01:57:57] Speaker A: Might have a box. [01:57:58] Speaker D: Maybe we can do a segment. What's in the box? [01:58:02] Speaker A: Jim's paper. I'm sure everyone will be thrilled. [01:58:05] Speaker D: I don't know. I actually think I might have a box here because we did a test or might have used it all, but there might be something. [01:58:12] Speaker A: But yeah, I do plan on printing. [01:58:14] Speaker C: Some of these images. [01:58:17] Speaker A: All right, real quick before we move on to whatever's next. Real quick. So we've got Greg in. Greg in Egypt. [01:58:37] Speaker B: Nice. [01:58:38] Speaker D: Still, they know the field you film is strong with Greg. [01:58:41] Speaker A: I know. Here's Greg dancing in Venice and he's. [01:58:46] Speaker D: Smashing this in the boat. [01:58:47] Speaker A: Yeah, but he's in the boat. That's. Yeah, yeah. [01:58:50] Speaker B: Sweaty feet. I've got sweaty feet, that's all. She's a tight. [01:58:58] Speaker D: Dusty too. [01:58:59] Speaker A: And the sun shining through the dust. [01:59:01] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:59:02] Speaker A: The Fujifilm flag is stuck into nothing. [01:59:05] Speaker D: But the Fujifilm fag also has the opposite lighting of where the sun is coming from. [01:59:09] Speaker A: It doesn't overthink it, Jim. Wow. Across the ridicule. [01:59:15] Speaker B: Where's my leg? [01:59:18] Speaker A: So. Oh, no, your legs there. [01:59:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yep, yep, yep. [01:59:21] Speaker A: You know what's a big miss? One. Hang on. This person's holding a flag. That's odd. [01:59:26] Speaker B: That's also stuck in the ground. [01:59:28] Speaker A: It's a big miss that Greg's not doing the. The same. [01:59:31] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:59:32] Speaker A: Like posing like he's in front of it. That would have been funny if AI was at that level. Oh, yeah. On the Great Wall. [01:59:39] Speaker D: A bit more dust. [01:59:40] Speaker A: Once again, we've got this arm coming in. [01:59:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:44] Speaker D: The lighting's better on the flag, though. The lighting matches. [01:59:48] Speaker B: Golden hour. It's golden hour. [01:59:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:59:49] Speaker D: On the side of his face, the flag light image further around. [01:59:54] Speaker A: Notice how every image is backlit, Jim. [02:00:00] Speaker D: Maybe it's learning. [02:00:01] Speaker A: That's how we shoot. It's how we shoot every image at every wedding. Maybe AI trained solely on our website. [02:00:10] Speaker D: Jason, sorry, Real quickly. Has asked a question. Are all you guys from Bendigo? This is cool. Justin and I are. And Greg is. He's very fancy. He's in South Yarra. [02:00:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm posh. He's posh. We are all from Bendigo. It's where our. The lucky camera straps are made. [02:00:26] Speaker D: Yeah. Handmade in Bendigo. [02:00:28] Speaker A: Speaking of Bendigo, this isn't Bendigo. This is the Sydney Opera House. And Greg is still doing Bollywood dancing. [02:00:37] Speaker B: Still someone doing the little flag wave for me. [02:00:39] Speaker A: But the. But the flag is on a pole. But there's another flag being held. It doesn't make sense. Where are we now? Oh, yeah. [02:00:48] Speaker B: Oh, now I'm where I belong. [02:00:50] Speaker D: And you have. You're splashing again. [02:00:52] Speaker A: You're splashing again. I like the splash. Perfect. And number 10, is that the Brooklyn Bridge? Golden Gate Bridge, but I can't remember which one that is. [02:01:02] Speaker B: It's in New York. Yeah. [02:01:03] Speaker A: New York, Brooklyn Bridge. [02:01:05] Speaker B: Yep. [02:01:06] Speaker A: Maybe. Anyway, that's that nice. Okay. Do we want to look at Jim's? It's. We're two hours in. [02:01:18] Speaker D: Yeah, we probably do. [02:01:21] Speaker A: We need to save it. [02:01:24] Speaker B: Maybe we should. [02:01:25] Speaker A: Okay. [02:01:25] Speaker B: What do you reckon, Jim? [02:01:30] Speaker A: Do you want to do a mini, like, a little peek? Just have a little peek and then. [02:01:34] Speaker D: We'Ll do an actual. Done. [02:01:35] Speaker A: We don't have to do an actual website review. We'll do a proper one. Or we could even do our own show. Separate show. [02:01:45] Speaker D: Sure. [02:01:49] Speaker A: So, Tim, tell the people what you've done. [02:01:53] Speaker D: Jim built a new website for me. So Justin and I have had our website together for over 10 years. [02:02:03] Speaker B: End of an era. [02:02:04] Speaker D: Justin kind of didn't stop shooting weddings, but he almost stopped shooting weddings about five to eight years ago. Really slowed down. Five to six. Yeah, really slowed down. And we've kind of just rolled with it. And it probably hasn't. It's made sense for a little while, but it's probably starting to make less sense. So. Yeah, I've been busy building a new website that's just for me, so. You guys are actually the first to see it. It's live, but it's not. Haven't posted about it. Haven't. Yeah. Changed any of anything else other than building the website at the moment. [02:02:43] Speaker A: So I'll throw it in the chat in case anyone wants to check it out. But yeah, it's good. I really. I like it. Yeah, I like it too. [02:02:50] Speaker B: It's crisp, it's clean. There's a good balance of, you know, light and dark elements. [02:02:57] Speaker A: I like using the black and white only images and the real weddings underneath. Yeah, that's a good, like. Yeah. Clean theme. But we'll do a full. We'll do a full. We'll do a show. Great. Where are we? Bruce Mill saying do a separate show. Rick Nelson saying, you got to showcase that 69 level. So yeah, we might do an actual. We'll go through that site and we'll. [02:03:24] Speaker D: Yeah. Tear it apart. [02:03:25] Speaker A: Yeah, sort of. Yeah, tear it apart and talk about, like what works, what doesn't work with websites, you know, what do you do with your pricing and your packages and what, you know, like, all that sort of stuff. [02:03:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's worthy. [02:03:39] Speaker A: But yeah, I like it. I like the logo too. It's cool. I like how you kind of pulled. Got the same color as what we were running as our accent color. So it. [02:03:47] Speaker B: No, that's Fujifilm green. [02:03:49] Speaker A: It is not Fujifilm green. [02:03:51] Speaker C: It is, yeah. [02:03:52] Speaker B: Bring up the flag. It's the same. [02:03:56] Speaker A: It does look good. [02:03:57] Speaker B: It looks. [02:03:57] Speaker A: Rick Nelson says weddings by Jim is better than Jim's weddings. So. [02:04:04] Speaker D: Yeah, I didn't want to get sued by the gyms group. So. Yeah, yeah. [02:04:10] Speaker A: And we have. All right, so we'll do that. We'll do a proper one. I'll do a Part 2 of New Zealand when I've actually edited my images. And we will also. I didn't do the same thing. Ah, well. And finally we'll go to the. Now that we've finished Jim's website review, we'll go to the. Your images section. We've got one image this week, just one. But we're getting back into it. [02:04:40] Speaker B: So yeah, Greg Carrick has sent me some, but we might get to do that another time. [02:04:46] Speaker A: Can we save him for next month for Monday? Greg? We'll just pull this one up this week and we'll save Greg Carricks for next week. Unless it's timely. Greg Carrick. If it is. If it is for some reason timely, let us know and we'll figure it out. [02:05:00] Speaker B: It's for. It's for an Expressions 5 is a photo exhibition that's coming up from the 4th of September to Sunday the November 23rd. And Greg has entered two images which I'll quickly send to Justin. [02:05:16] Speaker A: Okay, I'll get alls up. [02:05:19] Speaker B: Let's just cover these off quickly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Final segment, final segment for you Greg Carrick, because we love you. [02:05:30] Speaker D: He said no worries, exhibition goes for ages. [02:05:32] Speaker A: Oh, okay. We'll do it next week, then we can give it some time. [02:05:35] Speaker B: Yeah, then we'll give it what it deserves. [02:05:36] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'll just. I'll bring Paul's up. Yep. You might recognize this from profile pictures on YouTube accounts multiple. I love it but I want to read the caption that it came with. Where are we? Hey, where's the whole email? Oh, there it is. Paul says. G' day Justin. Hope NZ was great. Here's my image for discussion. It's the one I use for my YouTube profile picture. Not submitting it for its technical Brilliance. Taken in 2014 on a Canon 450D with a 16 to 35 2.8 L lens at 16 mil, the raw file is criminally underexposed at 1/6 of a second ISO 100 and it's taken a lot of dodging and burning in Lightroom and Photoshop to get it to where it is. The reason I'm submitting it is because it's the first time this landscape thing really happened for me. It was -23 degrees C Grass Canyon in Utah. I'd been there for over an hour, had seen a bit of pre dawn light and then the cloud had rolled in and everything had gone dull and gray. It looked like the morning sunrise was done. I was about to leave when my mouse went flat. No, okay, my mouse is flat. I was about to leave when I took at least one. When I took at least one last glance and noticed a gap emerging between the clouds and the horizon and realized something was about to happen. I chose a small aperture to get a starburst and in a short four minute window of sunlight ended up creating an image for the first time resembling something I had anticipated in advance rather than just snapping what was in front of me. [02:07:32] Speaker B: That's awesome. [02:07:33] Speaker A: Even though. Even though the attempt was pretty woeful, I was hooked. I don't think it's woeful. [02:07:39] Speaker B: I don't think it's woeful. I mean if that's your starting point. Well you. [02:07:43] Speaker D: Yeah, you know. Exactly. [02:07:45] Speaker A: None of my images in New Zealand look like this. Yeah. [02:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah. How dare you. How dare you. [02:07:50] Speaker D: And the commitment of an hour and. [02:07:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. But, yeah, no, it's. It's gorgeous. [02:07:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Really, really cool. And what a spot. I've stood at that spot, or probably maybe not that exact same spot, but around the rim of Bryce Canyon. They walked through it at sunrise. I took photos there. They don't look like that. There was no snow. Arguably, seeing it with snow would be amazing. Absolutely, absolutely amazing. The white, like, with those colorful. That rock, that contrast and the trees and then having the light sort of come through, it's. Yeah, it's a beautiful spot. Yeah, it really is one of those things where it's what. The execution of what you did is way more important than what your settings were or anything like that. [02:08:37] Speaker B: It was waiting for them and you were there. You were standing there. You know, that in itself is powerful. [02:08:44] Speaker D: And the lessons that come from, you know, if you're saying that the original was underexposed and what you put that moving forward, you know, well, it doesn't. [02:08:53] Speaker A: Matter anymore these days. Just underexpose it. [02:08:56] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [02:08:58] Speaker A: That's what's crazy. It's like. Yeah, if you underexposed on a Canon back then, like, it was. Yeah, you really kind of. [02:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it was tough. [02:09:05] Speaker A: You kind of maybe not ruined your file, but, yeah, you really missed out on a lot of detail that you needed. Whereas now it's like, hey, just boost it up. It's fine. Don't worry about it. [02:09:12] Speaker B: And wasn't the 450D APS C or was that full frame? Yeah, no, APS C. Yeah, it was APS C. Yeah. [02:09:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it was sort of like a mid. Like a slightly above entry level kind of thing. Like, it was like that in between. Yeah. So well done. [02:09:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:09:32] Speaker A: Rick Nelson says where do we send images to again? At the moment we're working on this. We're actually going to. I'm going to make a website for the camera life. We're going to have like a spot where you can just go and just upload images and stuff like that, hopefully. But in the short term, just email them to me. Justinuckystraps.com if you're going to send a dick pic, send it to Jim at. What's your new email address? [02:09:58] Speaker D: I don't have a new one. [02:09:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I prefer boobies, but, you know, whatever comes through is fine. [02:10:02] Speaker A: Boobs to Greg. Images. Photographic images of me and dick pics to Jim. Yeah, very cool. Very, very cool. [02:10:13] Speaker B: Looking forward to it. [02:10:16] Speaker A: Wait by your inbox. [02:10:17] Speaker B: Yeah, indeed. Well, I think that pretty much brings us to the end of today's episode. It's been a long one, but we, we've obviously had a lot to catch up on because clearly Jim and I didn't do enough while Justin's away. We just skipped most of the segments. [02:10:33] Speaker A: Really didn't even have segments. [02:10:35] Speaker D: But we, we kept it on track. We kept it on track, Greg. [02:10:39] Speaker B: We finished on time. [02:10:40] Speaker A: You guys did a great job. [02:10:41] Speaker B: Yeah, we did, sir. But look, on that note, we will wrap tonight's episode of the Camera Life podcast. This has been the random photography show, episode 112, 1st of September 2025. Hands up, anyone that's going to be FOP. Let us know in the chat on the. Not in the. The live chat, but in the comments. Let us know what you're looking forward to most about bfop, because we're all going to be there. We're going to be there for a whole bloody week. [02:11:08] Speaker A: We're going to podcast. We're going to podcast in the mornings. If you're there, really come and hang with us. While we haven't told me any of. [02:11:15] Speaker D: The things, you're not part of the. [02:11:18] Speaker A: You're just a outsider. No. Because you're not going to be there on the Saturday. It's the most important day. [02:11:23] Speaker D: Oh, sorry, I've got a wedding canceling. [02:11:26] Speaker B: Well, we all make choices anyway, before this erupts into pure violence. Thank you to everyone who's been watching, commenting, or just listening along. If you're new to the channel, please give us a like. It certainly helps out a lot. Hit the subscribe button and make sure you tickle the bell because then you get notified in your time zone of when everything is happening. And we run a show twice a week. Every Thursday morning at 9am Australian Eastern Standard Time, we interview a fabulous photographer and get to know all about their story and their journey and their work. And then, of course, every Monday night, we have the random photography show, 7.30pm Australian Eastern Standard Time. And yeah, we just. We do what we've done today. We, we make magic happen live on television. I don't know what I'm saying anymore. I've run out of words. [02:12:16] Speaker A: Just play the music and let's play. [02:12:18] Speaker B: The music and say goodbye to everybody. Yeah. Thanks, everyone. [02:12:21] Speaker A: All right, thank you. My mouse doesn't work. First of all, Bruce Moyle has Saturday morning spare. You'll be on the show with us, Bruce, on Saturday. We need you. [02:12:30] Speaker B: What else? [02:12:31] Speaker A: Great characters, Fujifilm film. Paul, what time of the B podcast on? We don't know. Sometime in the mornings. We'll figure that out. Closer to it. John Pickett. Thanks for coming along. Matt. Matt Palmer. Good to see you. Bruce Moore says use code. Jim. Oh, Jason Rogers, he had a good comment up here. What do you say? Jason Rogers says, love a great landscape shot. Big storm chaser here, as well as sports. We'll have to catch up, Jason. Thanks, Paul. Thanks, Philip. Thanks, Les. Thanks, everybody. I don't know. I've missed you all. All right. Thanks, Rick. Good night. [02:13:07] Speaker B: Good night, everybody. [02:13:09] Speaker A: I can't end the stream without my mouse. [02:13:11] Speaker B: I'll do it. [02:13:13] Speaker A: Here we go now. I got it.